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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Jul 12, 2020 14:04:15 GMT -5
SUGAR RAY for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame! Let's get them in immediately. LOL
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 9, 2021 17:31:16 GMT -5
The next batch of Rock and Roll hall of Fame nominees will be announced tomorrow. Future Rock Legends predicts this year's nominees: futurerocklegends.comNever previously nominatedJay-Z (first year eligible) Foo Fighters Mötley Crüe Duran Duran Kool & the Gang Beck The Go-Go's The Guess Who Artists who have recently been nominatedRage Against the Machine Pat Benatar Dave Matthews Band Rufus with Chaka Khan Soundgarden LL Cool J The Marvelettes Kraftwerk
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 9, 2021 17:44:28 GMT -5
Duran Duran - It finally feels like it will be their turn to get a Rock Hall nomination after 15 years of waiting. What did I miss that would make this the year?
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Post by Caviar on Feb 9, 2021 17:46:53 GMT -5
I thought LL Cool J was in??!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 9, 2021 20:19:00 GMT -5
Oops- didn't mean top leave that Duran Duran bit in lol DD's debut was released in 1981, thus it's the 40h anniversary. Not sure that will bring the act more attention than usual and, in turn, result in a nomination. The act recently released a cover of David Bowie's "Five Years," to mark the fifth anniversary of his passing.
LL Cool J's been nominated five times since becoming eligible in 2009 (for the 2010 ceremony).
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Post by cking33 on Feb 10, 2021 3:48:05 GMT -5
Feb. 10 is literally the 50th anniversary of the release of "Tapestry" and the LA Times just did a big blowout about its impact in popular music. If there was ever a time to nominate Carole King again as a performer, THIS is the year to do it. It's timely in that sense, it crosses off one of the most egregious snubs the Hall has out there and ... she's a woman! The Hall needs more of those. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Push The Button on Feb 10, 2021 8:27:30 GMT -5
Tina Turner finally getting in as a solo act would make me very damn happy.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 10, 2021 8:58:26 GMT -5
Rage Against the Machine, JAY-Z, Foo Fighters, and Kate Bush are among the nominees for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame’s 2021 class. Other finalists include Chaka Khan, DEVO, Iron Maiden, The Go-Go’s, Carole King, New York Dolls, Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, Mary J. Blige, Todd Rundgren, and LL Cool J. consequenceofsound.net/2021/02/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-2021-nominees/Tina, Chaka, Mary, Kate, Carole, Dionne, and the Go Gos! The induction lineup would be perfect with those names alone!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 10, 2021 9:06:58 GMT -5
Pat B. takes a seat out this year; hopefully she'll be back on the ballot soon and inducted.
Great to see seven female nominees. Would be even better to see three or four of them get enough votes for induction, though that would be a surprise (albeit a pleasant one).
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Post by Caviar on Feb 10, 2021 9:19:31 GMT -5
What a surprising list of female artists. I hope they all get in.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 10, 2021 9:39:15 GMT -5
Here are the nominees, with their number of nominations and years of eligibility. (Hopefully the math is accurate.)
NOTE: There were no new nominees in 2020, thus even though it's 26 years since the first Foo Fighters and Jay-Z records, it's still the acts' first year of eligibility. Carole King was eligible prior to the start of the Rock Hall; thus, her first year of eligibility would be the Hall's first year (as it would be for acts in similar scenarios).
* Mary J. Blige- first nomination; fifth year of eligibility * Kate Bush- second nomination; 19th year of eligibility * Devo- second nomination; 20th year of eligibility * Foo Fighters- first nomination; first year of eligibility * The Go-Go's- first nomination; 17th year of eligibility * Iron Maiden- first nomination; 18th year of eligibility * Jay-Z- first nomination; first year of eligibility * Chaka Khan- third solo nomination; 19th year of eligibility * Fela Kuti- first nomination; 26th year of eligibility * LL Cool J- sixth nomination; 13th year of eligibility * New York Dolls- second nomination; 24th year of eligibility * Carole King- second nomination; 36th year of eligibility * Rage Against the Machine- third nomination; fifth year of eligibility * Todd Rundgren- third nomination; 27th year of eligibility * Tina Turner- first solo nomination; 24th year of eligibility * Dionne Warwick- first nomination; 34th year of eligibility
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 10, 2021 9:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 10, 2021 9:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by Gary on Feb 10, 2021 14:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by jodakyellow on Feb 10, 2021 15:31:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile, futurerocklegends.com's poll asks you to vote for 5 nominees to induct, just like the actual voters do.
Tina Turner: 68% Foo Fighters: 57% Carole King: 56% Iron Maiden: 49% Jay Z: 43%
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Post by cking33 on Feb 10, 2021 18:43:24 GMT -5
OK, so now that my fave Carole may be FINALLY getting her due as an artist after all these years, I need to know all about the how the voting works. Who's deciding this? Is there a cap on how many nominees they can select? What are the thresholds for induction? If anybody has a simple primer on this it'd be greatly appreciated. I was holding out a small glimmer of hope that Mariah would've been on the ballot with Carole but I'm over the moon Carole is on the ballot and this egregious oversight should be corrected this year (I hope).
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Post by garrettlen on Feb 10, 2021 19:39:18 GMT -5
Rage Against the Machine, JAY-Z, Foo Fighters, and Kate Bush are among the nominees for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame’s 2021 class. Other finalists include Chaka Khan, DEVO, Iron Maiden, The Go-Go’s, Carole King, New York Dolls, Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, Mary J. Blige, Todd Rundgren, and LL Cool J. consequenceofsound.net/2021/02/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-2021-nominees/Tina, Chaka, Mary, Kate, Carole, Dionne, and the Go Gos! The induction lineup would be perfect with those names alone! An all female induction year? Never going to happen.
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Post by Gary on Feb 10, 2021 19:50:43 GMT -5
there will certainly be one or two of course. The actual rock bands though are probably a lock though
The GoGos being one of the pioneering all girl bands, kind of stunned they haven't been nominated before.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 10, 2021 20:14:53 GMT -5
No shade to Mary cause I love her but how it she nominated but Mariah hasn’t? That doesn’t make sense to me, at all.
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Post by cking33 on Feb 10, 2021 20:30:02 GMT -5
No shade to Mary cause I love her but how it she nominated but Mariah hasn’t? That doesn’t make sense to me, at all. It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame very little makes sense.
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 11, 2021 0:45:35 GMT -5
No shade to Mary cause I love her but how it she nominated but Mariah hasn’t? That doesn’t make sense to me, at all. Mariah got nominated for 34 Grammy awards in her career but only won 5 grammy awards.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2021 9:00:59 GMT -5
OK, so now that my fave Carole may be FINALLY getting her due as an artist after all these years, I need to know all about the how the voting works. Who's deciding this? Is there a cap on how many nominees they can select? What are the thresholds for induction? If anybody has a simple primer on this it'd be greatly appreciated. I was holding out a small glimmer of hope that Mariah would've been on the ballot with Carole but I'm over the moon Carole is on the ballot and this egregious oversight should be corrected this year (I hope). Voters choose up to 5 people from the list of nominees. The top vote getters get in, but more so it's acts that are on at least 50% of those ballots. Typically 5-7 acts get in.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 11, 2021 9:23:51 GMT -5
No shade to Mary cause I love her but how it she nominated but Mariah hasn’t? That doesn’t make sense to me, at all. Mariah got nominated for 34 Grammy awards in her career but only won 5 grammy awards.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 11, 2021 9:28:54 GMT -5
Let's not use the Grammys as a measure of anything related to this particular hall of fame.
Both Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston had to wait 10-plus years from their eligibility year to induction; this is "only" Mimi's seventh year of eligibility. The latter two getting inducted works in her favor, though it may take some time yet.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 11, 2021 10:01:39 GMT -5
Both Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston had to wait 10-plus years from their eligibility year to induction; this is "only" Mimi's seventh year of eligibility. The latter two getting inducted works in her favor, though it may take some time yet. And that is fine. But how is it that Mary got a nomination (on her fifth year, mind you) but Mariah hasn’t? It just doesn’t make sense. They should be transparent on how these nominations come to be.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2021 10:11:59 GMT -5
Let's not use the Grammys as a measure of anything related to this particular hall of fame. People can use what they want; this is a discussion board. Plus I'm sure some people are part of both voting bodies. I get your general point, but what started this discussion was how Mary got nominated. She is more newly eligible than Mariah.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 11, 2021 12:02:00 GMT -5
Both Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston had to wait 10-plus years from their eligibility year to induction; this is "only" Mimi's seventh year of eligibility. The latter two getting inducted works in her favor, though it may take some time yet. And that is fine. But how is it that Mary got a nomination (on her fifth year, mind you) but Mariah hasn’t? It just doesn’t make sense. They should be transparent on how these nominations come to be. Mary likely has more clout than Mariah in the R&B/hip hop community and got nominated because that faction is 100% in her favor while Mariah probably has more general support but not strong support.
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Post by cking33 on Feb 11, 2021 15:33:00 GMT -5
OK, so now that my fave Carole may be FINALLY getting her due as an artist after all these years, I need to know all about the how the voting works. Who's deciding this? Is there a cap on how many nominees they can select? What are the thresholds for induction? If anybody has a simple primer on this it'd be greatly appreciated. I was holding out a small glimmer of hope that Mariah would've been on the ballot with Carole but I'm over the moon Carole is on the ballot and this egregious oversight should be corrected this year (I hope). Voters choose up to 5 people from the list of nominees. The top vote getters get in, but more so it's acts that are on at least 50% of those ballots. Typically 5-7 acts get in. Here's hoping at least half the folks think she's worthy of a vote. Seems like a low number to spread your votes around for 16 nominees. Thanks.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 11, 2021 15:34:28 GMT -5
How many generations of "weird/artistic" female artists who grunt and squeal have we seen at this point? 4? Maybe more? Whatever that number is they're all indebted to Kate Bush.
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Post by Gary on Feb 11, 2021 18:09:03 GMT -5
The 2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees: Who Will Actually Get In? By Andrew Unterberger 2/10/2021 Click to copy www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9524228/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2021-nominees-odds/The nominations for the upcoming 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction class were revealed on Wednesday morning (Feb. 10), and it certainly feels like a sea change is finally underway with the institution. After seemingly endless criticism about the Rock Hall's voting body being overwhelmingly tilted towards rewarding white male classic rock acts, this year, the nominees are more musically and demographically diverse than ever. Seven of the 16 acts up for induction this year are female or female-fronted, while nine of them feature artists of color -- both new records for the Rock Hall. Musically, classic rock in the most traditional sense is only represented by a handful of acts, while other nominees come from genres as far-flung as rap, pop, R&B, metal and Afrobeat. The less-traditional crop of nominees means it's harder than ever to predict who's going to get in this year, but we here at Billboard still wanted to give it our best shot. Here's how we handicap this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class and their chances of induction, from least to most likely. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Unveils 2021 Nominees FELA KUTIAwesome to see the Afrobeat pioneer and global musical icon be recognized here; Kuti is the kind of nominee that never would've been given a second thought by voters even five years ago, but whose impact is widespread enough that it's hard to say he's not deserving. Still, he'll be facing an uphill battle for induction -- without anything close to an obvious American hit, and no obvious precedent in terms of recent inductees, it might take a couple years' worth of nominations and momentum for him to have a real shot. Odds: 8 to 1 DIONNE WARWICKWhat a year for Ms. Dionne, huh? After becoming such a social media sensation on Twitter that they did a skit about her on Saturday Night Live, she's now up for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction for the very first time, despite having been eligible for well over 30 years already. She certainly has the hits, the recognition and the importance, but there's a reason why she hasn't really been considered to this point -- it's still a little hard to wrap your head around Dionne Warwick being recognized by a rock-based institution, since most of her signature numbers (written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David) were deliberately soft, delicate pop confections. Not totally unprecedented, as 2020 inductee Whitney Houston wasn't traditionally rocking very often either, but this one still feels unlikely. Odds: 6 to 1 TODD RUNDGRENThis isn't the Wizard of Philadelphia's first RnRHoF rodeo; he's been nominated each of the last three years now. A brilliant but pointedly difficult experimental pop-rocker, he's a worthy inductee given the breadth and quality of his catalog, but he might just be the classic case of an artist who always has enough support to be nominated but never enough to be inducted. Still, with less competition from fellow crotchety old dudes than ever, he at least has a chance. Odds: 5 to 1 KATE BUSHIn many ways, it's staggering that the U.K. art-pop paragon hasn't been inducted yet; few legacy artists from any era or genre are as universally celebrated by critics and fellow artists in 2021 as Kate Bush. But her mainstream recognition stateside has simply never been what it should be, and continues to lag behind -- there's still likely too many voters that only know her for "Running Up That Hill," if even that. This is Bush's second nomination, so perhaps she's starting to gain the necessary momentum, but it might take a couple more tries for her yet. Odds: 5 to 1DEVO May as well get through all the art-rockers here at once: Akron conceptual new wavers Devo have their following, they have a claim to enduring influence, and they have at least one hit that everybody knows, but like Rundgren, it's unclear if they have the support wide enough to make the leap from nominee (their second time, following a 2019 nod) to inductee. Frontman Mark Mothersbaugh's continuing relevance as a composer for film and television might give them a slight leg up in the industry over Bush and Rundgren here, though. Odds: 4 to 1 CHAKA KHANSpeaking of always-a-nominee: Chaka Khan has officially taken the mantle from Chic as the artist most likely to end up a perpetual Rock Hall snub. Khan has now been nominated seven times, four as part of '70s outfit Rufus and three as a solo artist. Will this finally be Chaka's year? Possible, but sadly unlikely -- unless she becomes a serious industry cause, her best chance of induction might be something like what eventually happened with Chic, where primary sonic architect Nile Rodgers was eventually given honorary induction via the Award for Musical Excellence. Odds: 4 to 1 LL COOL JRunning just behind Chaka in terms of most-snubbed is hip-hop great LL Cool J -- whose hard-hitting early hits and obvious rock star largesse seems to make him a more logical fit for the Hall than some other artists outside of the traditional rock genres, but who has still proven a bridge too far for voters in five prior years as a nominee. Maybe this year's tilt towards inclusiveness finally puts him over the top, but best to be skeptical until proven otherwise at this point. Odds: 4 to 1 MARY J. BLIGEOn paper, she should have the same roadblocks getting in as Chaka Khan and Dionne Warwick -- outside of the occasional Elton John sample or U2 collaboration, she doesn't have an obvious claim to being particularly rock. However, it's easier to see Mary J. Blige bulldozing her way in there anyway: She's a generational artist, widely recognized as the queen of hip-hop soul, as revered within the industry as just about any contemporary figure. As easy as it is to picture voters reflexively skipping over her name for genre reasons, it's just as easy to picture them reflexively checking her name off without even giving her rock credentials a second thought. Odds: 3 to 1 RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINETough to peg Rage Against the Machine, rap-rock pioneers and perpetually relevant political songwriters who -- despite releasing just three albums in their lifetime -- check most of the boxes for a classic Rock Hall inductee. But this is their third time being nominated now, and if they didn't get in the first two times, it's hard to say why they necessarily would on their third go, after a planned 2020 reunion run was of course called off due to global COVID shutdown. Are they gaining momentum or losing it? We'll have to see. Odds: 3 to 1 IRON MAIDENMetal has always had a difficult time at the Rock Hall -- it took genre GOATs Black Sabbath a decade to earn their way in, and genre elders Judas Priest have gone 0-2 on their pair of recent nominations. But Iron Maiden -- somewhat shockingly a first-time nominee, despite having been eligible since the early '00s -- should have a fairly decent shot this year, as there's not a ton of classic rock on the ballot, and they have one of the most rabid and devoted fanbases in rock history, and remain a high-level touring attraction to this day. They'll have the inside on track on the fan ballot, at the very least. Odds: 5 to 2 NEW YORK DOLLSHard to know exactly what to make of the Dolls' case, as they seem like a classic Rock Hall band -- influential and gritty and glammy and steeped in New York proto-punk mythology -- but this is just their second time being nominated, and their first in 20 years. The Rock Hall has been busy playing catch up with '70s glam the past few years -- Roxy Music was inducted in 2019, and T. Rex last year -- so maybe it's finally just the Dolls' turn. Once again, a relative lack of traditional boomer-era rock competition will certainly help. Odds: 5 to 2 FOO FIGHTERSKeepers of the flame for the classic rock mentality in the alternative rock era, Foo Fighters are as dead-center for the Rock Hall as you could possibly ask for -- and frontman Dave Grohl is arguably as recognizably RAWK a figure as currently exists in popular music. The only thing potentially keeping them from being inducted on their first nomination (indeed, in their first year eligible) is that while the Foos are close to universally liked, they're not quite as widely loved, and if Rock Hall members vote out of passion rather than duty, they might not quite be an automatic entry. Odds: 2 to 1 THE GO-GO'SIt's good timing for the Go-Go's to land their first nomination after a decade and a half of eligibility, as recognition for them as pioneers -- obvious greats of the new wave and early MTV eras, and the first all-female band to score a No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 that they wrote and performed themselves -- is at an all-time high, particularly following the late-'10s run of their Head Over Heels jukebox musical. Given the Rock Hall's seeming new slant towards inclusivity, it seems like a natural fit that a beloved traditional rock band like the Go-Go's would be close to a no-brainer, though a relative lack of traditional critical respect may still ding their chances the slightest bit. Odds: 2 to 1 CAROLE KING TINA TURNER"How is she not in yet??" Well, both the epochal singer/songwriter and the peerless rock&B showwoman had previously been inducted along with their ex-husbands -- King with Gerry Goffin as songwriters, and Turner with performing partner Ike as a duo act -- but never as solo performers. That seems likely to change this year for both cases, as they're on the ballot as solo acts for the first time in over 30 years (!!) While there might be a handful of Rock Hall members who think once is enough for either of them, you have to imagine it's going to be more like Stevie Nicks in 2019 (previously inducted as part of Fleetwood Mac), where most voters are going to see their names on the list and reflexively check them off, because it seems silly to say either isn't a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer. Odds: 3 to 2 JAY-ZThought by many to be the greatest rapper of all-time -- and certainly arguable as the most successful, most acclaimed and/or most generally venerated -- Jay-Z is about as close to an insider here as a non-rocker could be. He remains a towering figure, both in the music industry and in popular culture at large, and he has enough rock connections -- via Linkin Park, Rick Rubin, Coldplay and plenty others -- that he's hardly a stranger to that world, either. Simply put, if he doesn't get in, it'd be the most shocking snub since Radiohead were denied entry on their first nomination in 2018. Odds: Even
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