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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 16:43:59 GMT -5
That's why I was thinking Alanis might have a chance (after several noms) once we get to the late 90s/early 2000s drought. Off the top of my head, the only likely candidates from that era are Eminem, the White Stripes, Justin Timberlake, the Black Keys, Foo Fighters, OutKast, and maybe Britney, No Doubt, and Missy Elliot. Norah Jones will probably be forgotten by the time she's eligible; I don't know about Christina or 50 Cent, and there's zero chance for Jennifer Lopez, Ja Rule, Ashanti, the Backstreet Boys, Limp Bizkit, 3 Doors Down, Goo Goo Dolls, Lil Jon, Creed, Nickelback, Sugar Ray, Smash Mouth, etc etc etc. Britney stands no chance of getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I disagree because the people of Rolling Stone are a part of that panel and they have been very kind to Britney over the years.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 17:27:55 GMT -5
Britney stands no chance of getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I disagree because the people of Rolling Stone are a part of that panel and they have been very kind to Britney over the years. Being kind to her is one thing, voting for her to be in the RnRHoF is quite another.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 2, 2013 18:43:26 GMT -5
^She's been a pop icon, though she's not much respected as an artist, especially when her contributions are so minimal. And then there's the whole issue of her "live" performances. So that would hinder her some. Based on what she has done thus far, I doubt she'd be seriously considered when she's eligible.
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 2, 2013 18:54:26 GMT -5
^She's been a pop icon, though she's not much respected as an artist, especially when her contributions are so minimal. And then there's the whole issue of her "live" performances. So that would hinder her some. Based on what she has done thus far, I doubt she'd be seriously considered when she's eligible. Now explain Cher.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 2, 2013 19:09:28 GMT -5
Cher is an undisputed legend- but, as a musical artist, she hasn't really not regarded as one of the great ones.
Barbra Streisand also is a legend, as well- but I think the same mentality applies to her. I happen to enjoy Cher and Babs. Also Olivia Newton-John- but she hasn't been considered for the Hall, either (like solo Cher).
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Post by WolfSpear on May 6, 2013 2:07:09 GMT -5
Right ... so I would add Oasis, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Green Day and Soundgarden to the mix... and maybe the Dave Matthews Band and Matchbox Twenty because I'm very generous tonight. If MB20 actually recorded more albums then maybe my case would make sense. Remember the rumor that the HOF felt a lot of the late 80s artists were so weak that they were going to lower the 25 years to 20 years so they could fast track a few artists? I'm glad they didn't do it. They need to play catch up now like they did with Heart, Rush and Donna Summer. Yeah, there isn't that many notables from the late 80's. Guns N Roses already got in and that's all I can think of. I would like to see Judas Priest and Iron Maiden getting some recognition, though that seems unlikely.
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Post by Push The Button on May 6, 2013 7:55:43 GMT -5
Cher is an undisputed legend- but, as a musical artist, she hasn't really not regarded as one of the great ones. Barbra Streisand also is a legend, as well- but I think the same mentality applies to her.I fell to my knees and wept at the mere thought.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 6, 2013 7:59:37 GMT -5
^I know- not saying it's how I feel about them. ;)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 29, 2013 11:40:38 GMT -5
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/kiss-rock-hall-of-fame_n_3294224.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainmentKISS' Paul Stanley: 'I Don't Need The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame' Longtime fans can't believe the group that taught America how to rock and roll all night and party every day still hasn't made the cut. The Huffington Post asked lead singer Paul Stanley if there's hope of a reprieve. "Well, it depends on who lives longer, us or Jann Wenner," Stanley said, referring to the Rolling Stone editor-in-chief who co-founded the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame back in the mid-1980s. Fans have a tendency to blame Wenner for the KISS snub. (One brave loyalist even confronted Wenner on the street to demand answers.) But the real obstacle may be journalist Dave Marsh, who plays a key role in the selection process and once told MTV, " Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot."
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 29, 2013 12:33:40 GMT -5
I may have mentioned this in this thread, but I loved me some Kiss when I was a boy. I dressed ass Ace Frehley for Halloween when I was 5, had the AF doll and the Love Gun album. I don't think one person has the power to keep them off the ballot- after all, Kiss did make it onto the ballot recently, but didn't get voted in. Is Kiss a great band? Hmmm. Well, "Rock and Roll All Nite" is an undeniable classic, and the band was very entertaining. But, is it on the level of some of the great bands of all time? Probably not. Some also may see it as gimmicky, with the makeup and circus-like live shows.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on May 29, 2013 13:06:02 GMT -5
Barbra Streisand also is a legend, as well- but I think the same mentality applies to her. I think Barbra is considered one of the greats... I think it's that her music is timeless and not really connected to the rock n' roll era. She's in a category with people like Frank and Ella.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 13, 2013 8:54:05 GMT -5
I'd love to see Alanis nominated.
And what about Bjork? They need to nominate her.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 13, 2013 9:30:23 GMT -5
I'd love to see Alanis nominated. And what about Bjork? They need to nominate her. I see Sheryl Crow getting nominated over Alanis for that slot. She may have never had a moment as big as JLP, but she had much more longevity and is very highly respected within the industry. I can see Iron Maiden getting in eventually possibly, but it'll take a while. They've never been regarded as highly stateside as they have been in Europe.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 13, 2013 11:15:16 GMT -5
Sheryl isn't eligible until 2018, but there's definitely a strong argument for her induction.
PJ Harvey also has a strong shot, in my opinion. She becomes eligible in 2016 and was a critical darling. Her latest offerings not as much, though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 13, 2013 12:01:03 GMT -5
^She's definitely been one of the most acclaimed acts of the last two decades. And I'm pretty sure her 2011 album was the most acclaimed, or right up there. But, are she and Bjork *too* avant-garde to get mass recognition?
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Jun 13, 2013 14:53:34 GMT -5
Paula Abdul became eligdge this year. Dont laugh but any chance? she did have a lot of influence in the 90s in music with her choreography and dancing and then her solo career? i dunno, i thought..
Salt n Pepa deserve it!
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 13, 2013 14:57:20 GMT -5
^She's definitely been one of the most acclaimed acts of the last two decades. And I'm pretty sure her 2011 album was the most acclaimed, or right up there. But, are she and Bjork *too* avant-garde to get mass recognition? Well, Kate Bush still isn't inducted, so that should answer your question.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 13, 2013 18:11:24 GMT -5
^Good point. She's been eligible since 2003, and hasn't even been considered yet.
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 15, 2013 12:35:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the success of "Get Lucky" and the renewed appreciation for Nile Rodgers could FINALLY get Chic in this year?
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 15, 2013 12:44:34 GMT -5
Yeah Chic's really overdue. Imo they should have been in before Donna Summer.
I don't see Paula Abdul being nominated.
I think what has held Kate back is that she's never really "broken through" stateside in comparison to her home market. I do think she'll be inducted, and possibly sooner than most think.
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 15, 2013 13:05:38 GMT -5
'Scuse me? Brit is definitely getting into the Hall. She still has more than a decade to even become eligible so there's plenty of time for her to 'contribute' or 'prove' herself even more than she already has.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 15, 2013 14:07:41 GMT -5
'Scuse me? Brit is definitely getting into the Hall. She still has more than a decade to even become eligible so there's plenty of time for her to 'contribute' or 'prove' herself even more than she already has. I could ultimately see it going either way for her. From her generation, they will go to Beyonce and Timberlake first most likely to represent those times. But Britney herself is an anomaly, because she's essentially a part time pop star and has been for years, which is an abnormal positon.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 15, 2013 15:00:40 GMT -5
Again, for a lot of acts, it's just a matter of when. Could Spears get in some day? Possibly. But, at this point, I don't see the hall seriously considering her when she becomes eligible.
As for Paula Abdul- she'll be forever my girl, but little chance there.
Salt-N-Pepa would have my vote- opened doors for female rap. It's just too bad they didn't keep at it (though the ladies supposedly were going to work on new material).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 18:46:50 GMT -5
'Scuse me? Brit is definitely getting into the Hall. She still has more than a decade to even become eligible so there's plenty of time for her to 'contribute' or 'prove' herself even more than she already has. She has to do more than just lip sync at her concerts to get in to the Hall of Fame. Authenticity is a big thing to the people who vote on who gets in and who doesn't, and she's particularly vulnerable in that area. Selling a lot of records and concert tickets won't be enough. In any case, IF and when she is ever nominated, I don't see her getting in on her first try.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 19:47:18 GMT -5
Exactly. I am still waiting for that Milli Vanilli nom while we are at it. LOL
Seriously though, Commercial success means little here.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 15, 2013 20:09:37 GMT -5
^Commercial success isn't a major factor, but, along with the big impact/influence, reverence as an artist or performer, it probably doesn't go unnoticed. The act has to have a lot more going on than just that. To be considered, nominated or inducted in the first year of eligibility, that has to be one of those no-brainer scenarios. And there even have been acts who were thought of as no-brainers who had to wait after their first year of eligibility.
Then there are the acts like Bjork and PJ Harvey who have had loads of acclaim, but a lot less commercial success, by comparison. We'll see if the hall overlooks them, because they're not big-enough of a name.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 15, 2013 20:18:20 GMT -5
Why aren't the likes of Depeche Mode and Sade inducted in already, both of whom I'd call legends?
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 15, 2013 21:09:06 GMT -5
Exactly. I am still waiting for that Milli Vanilli nom while we are at it. LOL Seriously though, Commercial success means little here. You did not just put Brit under the same category as that ''duo''. >:( Her impact is undeniable and she's been pretty original as far as her music goes. We'll see but I don't think she's as much of a stretch to be included as most in here say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 22:29:26 GMT -5
Exactly. I am still waiting for that Milli Vanilli nom while we are at it. LOL Seriously though, Commercial success means little here. Despite selling more records for a brief time in the late 60's than anybody else (even the Beatles), the Monkees have yet to be inducted. It's that authenticity thing again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 22:45:43 GMT -5
My Milli Vanilli post was meant as a joke but anyway,
Genre has something to do with nominations too. If your genre is not rock, it is harder to get in. Very few of the MTV-era dance-pop acts have been inducted. (Madonna being an exception)
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