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Post by HolidayGuy on May 15, 2021 22:10:46 GMT -5
^I don't know if it means they *can't*; it may make it less likely, though.
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Post by cking33 on May 18, 2021 13:25:14 GMT -5
Does getting in via "Early Influences" and/or "Musical Excellence" then mean an artist can't get in under Performers, or can they get in multiple ways/times? Not sure of the technicalities, maybe it's technically possible, but I'm guessing that a person who gets in this way is unlikely to get put back on the ballot by the committee. But you never know what may happen in future decades. Carole and Tina got inducted 30 years ago and they just never really considered to put them on the ballot as solo artists because they figured that was enough. Here we are 30 years later and they're getting inducted again for their solo work. Different circumstances since they were both part of duos and then had solo careers. It'd be weird to see LL Cool J getting the musical excellence and then to have him just pop back up on the ballot again for a double induction for his solo career.
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Post by Gary on Aug 23, 2021 20:50:19 GMT -5
With Don Everly's Death, Just One of the Inaugural Rock Hall Inductees Is Still Living By Paul Grein 8/23/2021 Click to copy www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9618291/don-everly-dead-one-inaugural-rock-hall-inductees-still-alive/They called him "The Killer." And then there was one. With Don Everly’s death on Saturday (Aug. 21), just one artist from the inaugural class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is still living. The sole survivor from that first induction class is "The Killer," Jerry Lee Lewis, who is 85. That inaugural class in 1986 consisted of nine solo artists and a duo, The Everly Brothers. Three of the first-year’s inductions were made posthumously. Buddy Holly had died in a plane crash in 1959 at age 22, Sam Cooke was shot to death in 1964 at 33, and Elvis Presley had died of cardiac arrest in 1977 at 42. Seven of the inaugural inductees were alive at the time of the first Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony on Jan. 23, 1986, at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York, but have since died. Ray Charles died in 2004 at 73, followed by James Brown in 2006 at 73, Phil Everly in 2014 at 74, Chuck Berry inJame 2017 at 90, Fats Domino in 2017 at 89, Little Richard in 2020 at 87 and now Don Everly at 84. Here’s a quick look at the inaugural class, showing the artist’s highest-charting hit(s) on the Billboard Hot 100 (or predecessor charts) and the name of the person who inducted them into the Rock Hall. For the five artists whose highest-charting hits occurred before the inception of the Hot 100 on Aug. 4, 1958, we also show their highest charting Hot 100 hit. John Sykes on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Broader Focus: 'We Honor the Artists Who Created the Sound of Youth Culture' Chuck BerryTop hit: “My Ding-a-Ling,” No. 1 in 1972 Inducted by: Keith Richards James BrownTop hit: “I Got You (I Feel Good),” No. 3 in 1965 Inducted by: Steve Winwood Ray CharlesTop hits: Three No. 1 hits: “Georgia on My Mind” in 1960, “Hit the Road Jack” in 1961 and “I Can’t Stop Loving You” in 1962 Inducted by: Quincy Jones Sam CookeTop hit: “You Send Me,” No. 1 in 1957. Top Hot 100 hit: “Chain Gang,” No. 2 in 1960 Inducted by: Herb Alpert Fats DominoTop hit: “Blueberry Hill,” No. 2 in 1957. Top Hot 100 hits: “Whole Lotta Loving,” No. 6 in 1959, “Walkin’ to New Orleans,” No. 6 in 1960. Inducted by: Billy Joel The Everly Brothers
Top hits: Four No. 1 hits: “Wake Up Little Susie in 1957, “All I Have to Do Is Dream” in 1958, “Bird Dog” in 1958 and “Cathy’s Clown” in 1960. Only the latter song reached No. 1 on the Hot 100. Inducted by: Neil Young Buddy HollyTop hit: “That’ll Be the Day” (The Crickets),” No. 1 in 1957. Top Hot 100 hit: “It Doesn’t Matter Anymore,” No. 13 in 1959. Inducted by: John Fogerty Jerry Lee LewisTop hit: “Great Balls of Fire,” No. 2 in 1958. Top Hot 100 hit: “What’d I Say,” No. 30 in 1961. Inducted by: Hank Williams Jr. Little RichardTop hit: “Long Tall Sally,” No. 6 in 1956. Top Hot 100 hit: “Baby Face,” No. 41 in 1958. Inducted by: Roberta Flack Elvis PresleyTop hits: 17 No. 1 hits from “Heartbreak Hotel” in 1956 to “Suspicious Minds” in 1969. Seven No. 1 hits on the Hot 100. Inducted by: Julian and Sean Lennon
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Post by Amnesiac on Jan 31, 2022 11:35:17 GMT -5
Looks like the nominations might be coming soon
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 31, 2022 14:47:36 GMT -5
Eminem becomes eligible this year; will he be a first-year-eligible inductee?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 31, 2022 19:13:16 GMT -5
futurerocklegends.com/2022_Nomination_Predictions/Future Rock Legends predicts the following 16 eligible artists will be on the 2022 ballot: Artists who have never been nominated...Eminem - It's shaping up to be a big February for Eminem with an almost certain Rock Hall nomination and a Super Bowl halftime performance. Big Mama Thornton - Two years ago, Nominating Committee member Alan Light said, "we put Sister Rosetta Tharpe on the ballot really to force the hand of the Early Influencers committee to say, this is somebody that needs to be in." Look for a similar approach to happen here with Thornton, who inexplicably has never been on the ballot. (As we've written about many times, it's a terrible idea to nominate artists on the Performer ballot just to induct them in a different category anyway, but that's the way the Rock Hall prefers to do it.) Big Star - There are some artists like Big Star who would do extremely well with a segment of the voting committee, but don't have the wider popularity and name recognition to be inducted. The Rock Hall needs to recognize more artists in this category. Alanis Morrisette - One thing that's become clear in recent years is that the Nominating Committee are heavily influenced by documentaries (just last year, the Go-Go's, Tina Turner, and Clarence Avant all benefited from the films about their careers). Morrisette's HBO doc might be enough to get her on the ballot. Duran Duran - The general consensus with those who follow the Rock Hall closely is that after The Cure and Depeche Mode were inducted, Duran Duran is next in line. Jimmy Buffett - For many legacy artists, a Rock Hall induction is the only honor left for them to achieve. Buffett inducted the Eagles back in 1998, so he's no stranger to the institution, and he also has business ties to Rock Hall-influencer Irving Azoff. Beck - It's still unbelievable Beck hasn't been nominated before. Cher - If Cher gets nominated, 99% of people will think, "she wasn't already in?" - and will once again question the validity of the whole enterprise. Artists who have previously been nominated...Jane's Addiction Judas Priest Pat Benatar Joe Tex Chaka Khan New York Dolls Dionne Warwick MC5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 31, 2022 19:18:05 GMT -5
2022futurerocklegends.com/Year/2022/These artists released their first recording in 1996, which makes them eligible for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2022: Akon Andrew Bird Apocalyptica Aqua Arab Strap Az Yet Belle & Sebastian Bill Orcutt Brendan Benson Busta Rhymes Calexico Cursive Damian Marley Death In Vegas Deerhoof Destroyer Dropkick Murphys Dru Hill Duncan Sheik Eels Eminem Erykah Badu Fastball Fatboy Slim Fiona Apple Fountains of Wayne Foxy Brown Fun Lovin' Criminals Galactic Get Up Kids Ghostface Killah Gillian Welch H.I.M. The Hives Jeremy Enigk Jerry Cantrell Joan of Arc Les Savy Fav Lightning Bolt Lil' Kim Lit Matchbox Twenty Maxwell Mazinga Phaser Mike Patton Mogwai N'Sync Nada Surf Nickelback Patty Griffin Porter Ricks Primitive Radio Gods Rainer Maria The Rasmus Robbie Williams Robert Pollard Roni Size / Reprazent Savage Garden Skillet Slightly Stoopid Slipknot The Soundtrack of Our Lives Spice Girls Staind Tech N9ne Trans-Siberian Orchestra Travis Will Haven
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 31, 2022 19:49:15 GMT -5
Cher would be a nice surprise nominee- though I always thought Sonny & Cher would be nominated before a solo nod. In any event, hopefully those infomercials are long out of the minds of the committee/voters. (Likewise for Dionne Warwick's Psychic Friends Network infomericals.)
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 31, 2022 20:00:58 GMT -5
Wow a lot of great new eligible artists. Just keeping the newly eligible in mind, these would get my vote: Eminem Erykah Badu Fiona Apple
(Maxwell would be good for the R&B Hall.)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 1, 2022 10:17:18 GMT -5
Nominees set to be announced tomorrow, 2-2-22.
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Post by newpower on Feb 2, 2022 8:43:18 GMT -5
Strong field this year: Beck Pat Benatar Kate Bush Devbo Duran Duran Eminem Eurythmics Jidas Priest Fela Kuti MC5 New York Dolls Dolly Parton Rage Against The Machine Lionel Richie Carly Simon A Tribe Called Quest Dionne Warwick
I would pick: Beck, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, Duran Duran, Pat Benatar and A Tribe Called Quest.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 2, 2022 9:04:45 GMT -5
Dolly isn’t in? Her and Kate Bush for sure. And the Eurythmics bien sûr!
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 2, 2022 9:10:03 GMT -5
It's funny how non-music stuff suddenly makes people vote for someone to get in the music Hall. I'd love to see Dolly and Dionne get in, but it shouldn't take social media presence and the like to get them nominated.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 2, 2022 9:45:14 GMT -5
^Sometimes it takes other actions to make people revisit the music, their importance/impact, etc. Dolly and Dionne are both deserving, and overdue. Dionne was nominated last year, for the first time, so it's a good sign that she's on the ballot again. Though that doesn't always mean induction is coming soon- see Chic and its slew of nominations.
Here's my usual rundown of the nominees, with their number of nominations and year of eligibility. Future Rock Legends once equated the year of eligibility to the year nominees for the next year were announced, which happened in the fall; that didn't happen in fall 2020, and the Rock Hall now announces nominees in the early part of the year, with induction later in the year. FRL now uses year of ceremony as year of eligibility, so I'm just going with that.
Beck: First nomination; eligible since 2019 ceremony Duran Duran: First nomination; eligible since 2007 ceremony Eminem: First nomination; first year of eligibility Dolly Parton: First nomination; eligible since 1989 ceremony Lionel Richie: First nomination; eligible since 2007 ceremony Carly Simon: First nomination; eligible since 1997 ceremony A Tribe Called Quest: First nomination; eligible since 2015 ceremony Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo: Second nomination; eligible since 2000 ceremony Eurythmics: Second nomination; eligible since 2007 ceremony Fela Kuti: Second nomination; eligible since 1996 ceremony Dionne Warwick: Second nomination; eligible since 1988 ceremony Kate Bush: Third nomination; eligible since 2004 ceremony Devo: Third nomination; eligible since 2003 ceremony Judas Priest: Third nomination; eligible since 2000 ceremony New York Dolls: Third nomination; eligible since 1999 ceremony Rage Against the Machine: Fourth nomination; eligible since 2018 ceremony MC5: Sixth nomination; eligible since 1992 ceremony
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 2, 2022 9:54:08 GMT -5
It's funny how non-music stuff suddenly makes people vote for someone to get in the music Hall. I'd love to see Dolly and Dionne get in, but it shouldn't take social media presence and the like to get them nominated. It does kind of make sense though. Artists can be influential in things they do outside of music which in turn can drive people to their music and get inspiration from that. I can’t speak to Dolly’s influence as an artist (though can only assume that she has inspired generations for decades) but through her books for childrens programs and other work she’s done outside of music, she has won over new audiences that likely wouldn’t have noticed her outside of being a country star of the 70s and 80s. Obviously it should still come back to the music, but other aspects of an artist’s career can certain serve as support.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 2, 2022 9:58:55 GMT -5
It's funny how non-music stuff suddenly makes people vote for someone to get in the music Hall. I'd love to see Dolly and Dionne get in, but it shouldn't take social media presence and the like to get them nominated. It does kind of make sense though. Artists can be influential in things they do outside of music which in turn can drive people to their music and get inspiration from that. I can’t speak to Dolly’s influence as an artist (though can only assume that she has inspired generations for decades) but through her books for childrens programs and other work she’s done outside of music, she has won over new audiences that likely wouldn’t have noticed her outside of being a country star of the 70s and 80s. Obviously it should still come back to the music, but other aspects of an artist’s career can certain serve as support. Of course it makes sense, but historically the Rock Hall has been sort of elitist in saying it's about the music and even in keeping out certain genres (and women). It's just funny to me that these other things brought Dolly and Dionne to the forefront. Clearly both should have been in long ago purely based on their music.
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 2, 2022 15:48:33 GMT -5
Congrats to Pat Benatar!!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 2, 2022 22:28:05 GMT -5
With Dolly now a nominee, can the Hall please induct Patsy Cline as an Early Influence?
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Post by cking33 on Feb 3, 2022 12:41:31 GMT -5
The Hall has done such a horrible job nominating and inducting women over the decades. This new regime is (admirably) trying to correct so many of these errors (Tina Turner, Carole King as solo artists, Go-Gos all last year) and now we have Dolly, Dionne, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon on the ballot. It's left little room for women who are recently eligible to be on the ballot. No such problem there with the men though!
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Post by balletgirlmom on Feb 8, 2022 1:03:43 GMT -5
CHER not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, is a massive oversight! How can CHER or Sonny & Cher not be in by now!?!??
Cher began recording with Sonny as Caesar & Cleo in 1963 and of course was a backup singer for Phil Spector's Wall of Sound in 1963, 1964 and 1965. Cher recorded SOLO (as Bonnie Jo Mason and Cherilyn) and with Sonny from 1964 on. They hit #1 in 1965 and she went on and on and on to have hits in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's and her MUSIC career is still VERY active and she is still on a major label, Warner Bros Records. Cher is much more active in 2022 then many who have been inducted. She always seems to be current in some fashion decade after decade after decade...
I am happy to see older women nominated so great seeing Pat B, Dolly, Carly and Dionne. It is just that CHER is so overdue and never gets nominated. I doubt Cher cares since this stuff never bothers her but to many out there, she deserves to be in.
I hope Pat B, Dolly, Carly and Dionne all get in this year so it leaves room for CHER down the line. Her MUSIC career is now pushing towards 60 Years and that sure is a long time.
On You Tube, I found 2 of Cher's seldom seen performances when she had her group Black Rose. I love their versions of Never Should Have Started and Julie. Great live performances. I love the Cher & Gregg Allman song clips. Cher's Rock & Roll Doctor always makes me smile. It's from her best album in my opinion STARS. Stars was done in 1975 and a great album.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2022 9:00:39 GMT -5
CHER not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, is a massive oversight! How can CHER or Sonny & Cher not be in by now!?!?? I get Sonny & Cher not being in as they're really only known for 1 hit and some of their popularity was from their TV show, no? Cher as a solo artist should definitely be in, though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 8, 2022 11:21:37 GMT -5
Sonny & Cher had five Hot 100 top 10s- not that that's what voters go by. "The Beat Goes On" is probably the best-known after "I Got You Babe" (which is a pretty significant record). Others: "Baby Don't Go," "All I Ever Need is You" and "A Cowboy's Work is Never Done."
Cher has said in the past that Sonny & Cher should be in- never really anything about her as solo. Well, she's been saying f*** them in recent times. hehe
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 8, 2022 11:45:23 GMT -5
Sonny & Cher had five Hot 100 top 10s- not that that's what voters go by. "The Beat Goes On" is probably the best-known after "I Got You Babe" (which is a pretty significant record). Others: "Baby Don't Go," "All I Ever Need is You" and "A Cowboy's Work is Never Done." Cher has said in the past that Sonny & Cher should be in- never really anything about her as solo. Well, she's been saying f*** them in recent times. hehe At least she finally got inducted in the Kennedy Center Honors recently (which I'm still waiting for Madonna to get in!). Hopefully the voters stop being sexist & genre elitist by finally inducting Cher, Barbra Streisand, and Diana Ross as a solo artist in the next few years.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 8, 2022 12:58:08 GMT -5
Madonna may have turned down the Kennedy Center (she turned down a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame circa 1990)- that, or perhaps she's a bit too controversial for the organization.
I don't see the Hall nominating Barbra Streisand- while an undisputed legendary entertainer, she doesn't really "fit" there. The other two probably have a better shot.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2022 14:17:00 GMT -5
Sonny & Cher had five Hot 100 top 10s- not that that's what voters go by. "The Beat Goes On" is probably the best-known after "I Got You Babe" (which is a pretty significant record). Others: "Baby Don't Go," "All I Ever Need is You" and "A Cowboy's Work is Never Done." Cher has said in the past that Sonny & Cher should be in- never really anything about her as solo. Well, she's been saying f*** them in recent times. hehe What is her basis (or anyone's) for Sonny & Cher being in the HoF? What is their real impact/mark on music?
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 8, 2022 15:10:09 GMT -5
This is what Cher said in 2010 about Sonny & Cher, and the Hall of Fame: ew.com/article/2010/11/10/cher-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/“Sonny and I still aren’t in the [Rock and Roll] Hall of Fame, and it just seems kind of rude,” Cher said. “Sonny was a good writer, and we started something that no one else was doing. We were weird hippies before there was a name for it, when the Beatles were wearing sweet little haircuts and round-collared suits…. We influenced a generation, and it’s like: What more do you want?”
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Post by colson on Feb 8, 2022 15:20:02 GMT -5
But all his supporters will say is that Jay-Z got in too in his first year of eligibility before those "other" black pioneer rappers and there weren't any complaints by Rolling Stone or anybody else.
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Post by cking33 on Feb 11, 2022 10:46:58 GMT -5
Sonny & Cher had five Hot 100 top 10s- not that that's what voters go by. "The Beat Goes On" is probably the best-known after "I Got You Babe" (which is a pretty significant record). Others: "Baby Don't Go," "All I Ever Need is You" and "A Cowboy's Work is Never Done." Cher has said in the past that Sonny & Cher should be in- never really anything about her as solo. Well, she's been saying f*** them in recent times. hehe I stan "Baby Don't Go" and I'm not afraid to say it. Induct Cher already, you cowards.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Mar 14, 2022 9:42:19 GMT -5
Dolly Parton has just announced she's bowing out of contention, she doesn't feel she deserves to be in there. I mean, is pulling your nom even an option with this? It's not like she submitted herself.
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