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Post by hosssulpizio on Feb 2, 2016 18:34:15 GMT -5
That wouldn't surprise me. They've gotten rid of nearly every Gary Overton signed artist. Yeah there's not many left from Gary's time at the label. Cam, Logan Mize, Chase Rice, Tyler Farr, Dee Jay Silver, and Old Dominion. Cam, Tyler, Chase, and Old Dominion are safe for now. It'll be interesting if Logan and Silver stay much longer. I'm actually surprised that Logan Mize is still on the label.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 18:38:17 GMT -5
Cam, Tyler, Chase, and Old Dominion are safe for now. It'll be interesting if Logan and Silver stay much longer. I can see them keeping Dee Jay Silver on board simply because he has his "Country Club" syndicated radio show. I think it's a really awful show (all songs are remixed with hip-hop beats and EDM influences), but Sony can use that connection to spin more of their own songs (as opposed to songs from Warner, UMG, Big Machine, etc.) Silver spins songs from all labels but if the big Sony head honchos suggested it, I'm betting he'd show some clear bias toward the label that he's signed to. I'm 99% sure that they won't ever push Dee Jay Silver's solo material to country radio, though (which is fine by me). I absolutely loved Logan's "Can't Get Away From A Good Time" so I'm hoping they give him another shot.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2016 19:43:45 GMT -5
Cam, Tyler, Chase, and Old Dominion are safe for now. It'll be interesting if Logan and Silver stay much longer. I absolutely loved Logan's "Can't Get Away From A Good Time" so I'm hoping they give him another shot. Logan's working on new material for Sony right now. He survived the first wave of cuts, so I'm hoping they stick with him long enough for that second single launch.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 2, 2016 20:19:37 GMT -5
I absolutely loved Logan's "Can't Get Away From A Good Time" so I'm hoping they give him another shot. Logan's working on new material for Sony right now. He survived the first wave of cuts, so I'm hoping they stick with him long enough for that second single launch. The ones they've kept at the label are basically the ones who are having success to date. Logan, like Old Dominion, Chase and Kane Brown, has sold well and was the subject of a bidding war. Old Dominion was the last act Gary signed. All the artists who failed to do anything at radio and were "developmental" types of artists are gone. The Henningsens and The Swon Bros. simply got passed over as priorities and likely didn't have new material the new regime liked. Same with Sara Evans.
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Post by slowmo on Feb 2, 2016 22:29:45 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery seems to have gone missing from the UMG Nashville website, he's still listed on Interscope's though.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Feb 2, 2016 22:33:12 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery seems to have gone missing from the UMG Nashville website, he's still listed on Interscope's though. Yeah it says that on Wikipedia also. Damn that's a shame. Maybe he can sign with Broken Bow, I think they would be a much better label for him.
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Post by bigfan101 on Feb 2, 2016 22:45:05 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery seems to have gone missing from the UMG Nashville website, he's still listed on Interscope's though. Yeah it says that on Wikipedia also. Damn that's a shame. Maybe he can sign with Broken Bow, I think they would be a much better label for him. If you had told me Lauren would survive longer on UMG than Scotty I would have laughed in your face. (Not meaning that as a negative on Lauren, I love her, but after Scotty's back-to-back top tens I thought he would get more benefit of the doubt than one dud single.) Also totally agree on the Broken Bow comment. The new imprint, Wheelhouse, needs artists and I think it would be a perfect fit. I do expect Scotty to find a new home. Black River might also be a viable option or maybe BMLG with the American Idol connection.
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Post by loveofmusic on Feb 2, 2016 23:21:15 GMT -5
Yeah it says that on Wikipedia also. Damn that's a shame. Maybe he can sign with Broken Bow, I think they would be a much better label for him. If you had told me Lauren would survive longer on UMG than Scotty I would have laughed in your face. (Not meaning that as a negative on Lauren, I love her, but after Scotty's back-to-back top tens I thought he would get more benefit of the doubt than one dud single.) Also totally agree on the Broken Bow comment. The new imprint, Wheelhouse, needs artists and I think it would be a perfect fit. I do expect Scotty to find a new home. Black River might also be a viable option or maybe BMLG with the American Idol connection. This is a shame especially after his Top 10's from his sophomore album. I liked the See You Tonight album. Unfortunately, I think a factor is how big the Idol contract is for a label to make a profit off of him. I agree on Broken Bow being a good fit. Despite BMLG having the Idol connection, I'm not sure they want to take on so many talent show alums. They already have The Voice country contestants, last year's Idol winner, & will have this year's final Idol winner. That's a lot for a label.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 2, 2016 23:23:54 GMT -5
Scotty has written very personal songs for the new album. I hope UMG will let him take them with him if this is true but I doubt it. I'm going to hold my tongue right now cause I'm in shock at this news. Lauren could be out too if her new song flops. UMG may be cleaning house of all things Idol. Broken Bow would be great for Scotty.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 2, 2016 23:31:51 GMT -5
Really surprised that Scotty McCreery has apparently been dropped from his label. He was really starting to build up some hits with getting two Top 10s off his last album and he has a pretty sizable fanbase so I'm quite shocked that they'd up and drop him after one underperforming single like that if it's true. That's a shame too considering how great his last album was, and I foresaw his next being as good, perhaps better than See You Tonight.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 2, 2016 23:44:31 GMT -5
I too am a surprised that Scotty has appeared to been dropped from UMG. In regards to him potentially keeping songs from this now shelved album: I'd be shocked if he was able to take any of the songs with him. They would give him the option to buy the rights from them but that doesn't come cheap.
I also think it's almost impossible to speculate who would sign Scotty. You could literally make a case for any label out there and draw some connection of viable reason why they should consider him. Most labels prefer brand new artist who haven't released singles to radio. A label and artist have to be on the same page in terms of their music and commercial timeline -- plus the label's money investment. There's just far too many variables to consider to dream up new label homes. I'm not saying there's no way Scotty couldn't end up on a label like Black River or Broken Bow Music Group, but there's a greater chance he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 2:30:33 GMT -5
Cam, Tyler, Chase, and Old Dominion are safe for now. It'll be interesting if Logan and Silver stay much longer. I can see them keeping Dee Jay Silver on board simply because he has his "Country Club" syndicated radio show. I think it's a really awful show (all songs are remixed with hip-hop beats and EDM influences), but Sony can use that connection to spin more of their own songs (as opposed to songs from Warner, UMG, Big Machine, etc.) Silver spins songs from all labels but if the big Sony head honchos suggested it, I'm betting he'd show some clear bias toward the label that he's signed to. I'm 99% sure that they won't ever push Dee Jay Silver's solo material to country radio, though (which is fine by me). I absolutely loved Logan's "Can't Get Away From A Good Time" so I'm hoping they give him another shot. Do you think Sony is keeping Kix Brooks around for the same reason you theorize about Dee Jay Silver? Kix began hosting a tv show on the cooking channel in 2015, not to mention his own radio show and recent reunion with Ronnie Dunn to re-form Brooks & Dunn and tour with Reba? In my opinion, Kix needs to go because he has not delivered as a solo artist.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Feb 3, 2016 6:58:58 GMT -5
has it ever happened that an artist removed from the site isn't actually dropped?
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Feb 3, 2016 8:57:25 GMT -5
has it ever happened that an artist removed from the site isn't actually dropped? Yes, Eric Church disappeared for a few weeks right before 'The Outsider' era.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 3, 2016 11:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 17:47:38 GMT -5
Do you think Sony is keeping Kix Brooks around for the same reason you theorize about Dee Jay Silver? Kix began hosting a tv show on the cooking channel in 2015, not to mention his own radio show. That's exactly the reason why I think Kix is still there. I honestly doubt that he gets any more radio singles, although I suppose if it's cheap enough Sony would let him release another album (just without any singles). But by keeping Kix as a Sony artist, that strengthens Sony's ties with Cumulus (the syndicated Kickin' It With Kix is an exclusively Cumulus show, I believe).
Regarding Scotty McCreery: I'd say I'm surprised that he was let go, but I'm not. UMG's roster is overloaded. They've got 8-9 artists per imprint, and any of the money that Scotty made for his label almost certainly had to be split between 19, Interscope, and UMG Nashville. A lot of American Idol alums are burdened by the fact that their contracts often tie them to 2-3 labels at a time. Here's a Billboard article that confirms Scotty's departure from UMG Nashville: www.billboard.com/articles/news/idol-worship/6866091/scotty-mccreery-universal-music-split-american-idolScotty's statement indicates that he also parted ways with Interscope in addition to UMG/Mercury Nashville, but there's no mention of 19 Recordings (the 3rd label he was signed to), so I suspect he's still tied to 19. As for the music he was working on, I guess we'll just have to wait and see if he's able to take it with him (to another label). I'm not sure how it works, but I wonder if maybe 19 Recordings (not UMG and/or Interscope) holds the rights to any material that Scotty has recorded? That might allow Scotty to hang on to the new material. If Interscope and/or UMG Nashville held the rights to Scotty's material, then yeah, there's a chance that he wouldn't be able to take it with him. Scotty sold over 1.2 million copies of his debut album, and then he sold almost 420,000 copies of his Christmas album (and they didn't have to spend any money on radio promotion for the Christmas album). Those were big money-makers for his labels even though the revenue was likely split among 3 parties. See You Tonight has sold about 280,000 which is still pretty darn good in this day and age...but that becomes much less when you divide it by 3. I'm sure the marathon chart runs for "See You Tonight" and "Feelin' It" cost UMG Nashville quite a bit, and this time they didn't make as much money back because they probably had to split the revenue with 19 and Interscope. The thing I'm most curious about is whether the decision to part with Scotty came more from the Interscope side of things or from Mike Dungan/UMG? I hope we learn more in the coming weeks/months. I'd also like to get confirmation on whether or not Scotty is still with 19 Recordings. Anyway, this is just me talking out loud here, but I wonder if Scotty could benefit from a 360-type of contract? I also think it would help if he could rework any future contract that he signs so that he's basically with only one label. That might be difficult to do but perhaps it's possible. Or even if he's with 19/[insert new label name here], that'd be better than having to split the revenue among 3 parties. In any case, I think there's a pretty good chance of Scotty landing with another label.
Finally, since others mentioned Lauren Alaina, I imagine she's probably in the same boat as Scotty. I'm sure UMG Nashville would love nothing more than to turn Lauren Alaina into a superstar, but it just hasn't happened. If "Next Boyfriend" doesn't become a sizable hit, Lauren's future at UMG could certainly be in doubt. Maybe she'd get one more chance beyond "Next Boyfriend" but there's definitely no guarantee there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:31:50 GMT -5
I think what might help Lauren Alaina stay on her label is that I think record labels don't wanna let go of their solo female artists. I think there's still a market for that and I think that might help Lauren Alaina stay on the label. Because outside of veteran female artists (Sara Evans, Faith Hill) there hasn't been really that much female artists being released from the label. I think Mercury is still firmly behind Lauren Alaina but she definitely will need a hit and soon. What might help is Lauren Alaina has spent such a long time off radio before Next Boyfriend (I'm not really counting Barefoot and Buckwild) they could be treating this as a complete new start for Lauren so if it manages somewhere in the Top 40 I think she could be good. . Also I heard that Lauren is performing at CRS not the new faces mind you but I think that shows a lot of determination from Lauren and the label might still be behind her. I do wish Lauren would just have one label so it wasn't quite like what everyone else explained. Just me theorizing here.
I do want Lauren Alaina to stay on her label because she has an immense amount of talent and she reminds me of a mix of late 2000s Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Feb 3, 2016 19:40:17 GMT -5
Can Scotty actually be signed again after getting dropped from UMG??
Usually, Idol winners(or alums in general) dont get signed again after getting dropped, only Adam Lambert got signed again after getting dropped(I think)
What do you guyys think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 19:52:47 GMT -5
Can Scotty actually be signed again after getting dropped from UMG?? Usually, Idol winners(or alums in general) dont get signed again after getting dropped, only Adam Lambert got signed again after getting dropped(I think) What do you guys think? He can, but usually labels top priority is, usually to sign brand new artists and Scotty has been around now for 5 years so nothing's guaranteed.
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Post by vamp111 on Feb 3, 2016 21:10:31 GMT -5
Can Scotty actually be signed again after getting dropped from UMG?? Usually, Idol winners(or alums in general) dont get signed again after getting dropped, only Adam Lambert got signed again after getting dropped(I think) What do you guys think? He can, but usually labels top priority is, usually to sign brand new artists and Scotty has been around now for 5 years so nothing's guaranteed. Kellie Pickler got signed again. Scotty has had a few top 10 hits and has a large following, so I would be shocked if he doesn't end up somewhere, even if its an independent label.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:16:38 GMT -5
He can, but usually labels top priority is, usually to sign brand new artists and Scotty has been around now for 5 years so nothing's guaranteed. Kellie Pickler got signed again. Scotty has had a few top 10 hits and has a large following, so I would be shocked if he doesn't end up somewhere, even if its an independent label. I'm not saying he won't but I won't be surprised either way. I also think Kellie Pickler is more recognizable name than Scotty. I won't be surprised either way.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 3, 2016 21:49:40 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery is definitely not gonna just disappear and not wind up somewhere else never to be heard from again. Idk where he'll end up and it might be on a smaller indie label, but he's not going away because of this. He's definitely a viable artist with some decent name recognition and an established fanbase. There's plenty of potential with him that he's going to get wind up somewhere.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Feb 3, 2016 21:53:22 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery is definitely not gonna just disappear and not wind up somewhere else never to be heard from again. Idk where he'll end up and it might be on a smaller indie label, but he's not going away because of this. He's definitely a viable artist with some decent name recognition and an established fanbase. There's plenty of potential with him that he's going to get wind up somewhere. how long do we usually wait? can he get signed like in two months or something so we could actually get new music this year?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:56:47 GMT -5
I just don't see Scotty McCreery having a hit anytime soon. He'd be better off on an indie label where he can do his own music his own style like with what we've seen with Love & Theft. I just would rather see Scotty be on a label where he has more creative freedom and not stuff like "Southern Belle"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:58:57 GMT -5
Scotty McCreery is definitely not gonna just disappear and not wind up somewhere else never to be heard from again. Idk where he'll end up and it might be on a smaller indie label, but he's not going away because of this. He's definitely a viable artist with some decent name recognition and an established fanbase. There's plenty of potential with him that he's going to get wind up somewhere. how long do we usually wait? can he get signed like in two months or something so we could actually get new music this year? It can be a month a year who knows? When news pop up will find out it'll probably take awhile. Just saying
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Post by blujayyoungs on Feb 3, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -5
I just don't see Scotty McCreery having a hit anytime soon. He'd be better off on an indie label where he can do his own music his own style like with what we've seen with Love & Theft. I just would rather see Scotty be on a label where he has more creative freedom and not stuff like "Southern Belle" lol are u joking? him being on an indie label would do nothing for him...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:28:42 GMT -5
I just don't see Scotty McCreery having a hit anytime soon. He'd be better off on an indie label where he can do his own music his own style like with what we've seen with Love & Theft. I just would rather see Scotty be on a label where he has more creative freedom and not stuff like "Southern Belle" lol are u joking? him being on an indie label would do nothing for him... I'd rather have Scotty use his voice for a traditional song on an indie label than some major label who gives him some junk like "Southern Belle". I'd rather have him have music that's true to him I don't care how successful he is, I want good music and Scotty McCreery has a better chance of delivering good music on an indie label where he has more freedom than the major labels.
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Post by loveofmusic on Feb 3, 2016 22:35:30 GMT -5
I just don't see Scotty McCreery having a hit anytime soon. He'd be better off on an indie label where he can do his own music his own style like with what we've seen with Love & Theft. I just would rather see Scotty be on a label where he has more creative freedom and not stuff like "Southern Belle" lol are u joking? him being on an indie label would do nothing for him... Independent labels in country is not a bad thing. There are 2 big independent labels in country: Big Machine Records & Broken Bow. Both have artist rosters with radio success & name recognition. They have the capability of pushing a song to radio, getting #1 hits, & giving a lot of promotion for artists. I actually think Broken Bow would be a good fit. This label has artists such as Jason Aldean, Dustin Lynch, Thompson Square, etc. so they have many popular artists that do well. Scotty would be able to make the music he wants & the label can promote different types of country pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 23:20:02 GMT -5
I just don't see Scotty McCreery having a hit anytime soon. He'd be better off on an indie label where he can do his own music his own style like with what we've seen with Love & Theft. I just would rather see Scotty be on a label where he has more creative freedom and not stuff like "Southern Belle" lol are u joking? him being on an indie label would do nothing for him... As loveofmusic noted, there are several prominent independent labels in country music, with Big Machine (Taylor Swift, Tim McGraw, Rascal Flatts, Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, Zac Brown Band) and Broken Bow (Jason Aldean, Dustin Lynch, Randy Houser, Joe Nichols) being the two most prominent ones. There are also some promising and/or budding labels like Black River Entertainment (they've had #1 success with Kelsea Ballerini, and also have former hit-makers Craig Morgan and Kellie Pickler on their roster) and Big Loud Records (Big Loud is run by Clay Hunnicutt, who had been one of the biggest executives for Clear Channel prior to joining Big Loud). I wouldn't rule out the chance of Scotty going to another major label (Sony Nashville or Warner Nashville), either. There's still the potential for Scotty to have a lot of success yet (key word is "potential"). I don't know what his relationship with 19 Recordings is like -- if it's not a good one then hopefully he'd be able to satisfy or get out of that contract eventually, but if he's on good terms with them then it's a matter of little importance. Kellie Pickler had a joint contract with 19/Sony after Idol, but after 3 albums (released by 19/Sony) she was able to sign with Black River Entertainment...and this marked the end of her time with 19. I agree with .indulgecountry -- I fully expect Scotty to wind up somewhere else. Unlike Pickler (and others), Scotty won American Idol. And even though his momentum cooled off quite a bit this past year, the fact remains that he's sold millions of singles and more than 2 million albums, all within the past few years. He also tours quite well. I think another label would jump at the chance to sign him, especially if they can sign him outright (without having to do a joint contract with 19). Worst case scenario would be the new label having to work together with 19, but even then I still foresee Scotty landing with another label. Scotty's only 22...he's gonna keep making music. Whether he can have success or not is another story, but I definitely don't think he's done, not by a long shot. He's a proven hit-maker. And while I don't know him personally, I think it's pretty obvious that he's doing what he wants to do: singing country music. I'm sure he and the people that work for him are already trying to figure out what their next step will be, and I'd bet anything that it involves trying to get signed by another label so that he can get back on the radio and keep doing what he loves.
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Post by vamp111 on Feb 3, 2016 23:53:36 GMT -5
lol are u joking? him being on an indie label would do nothing for him... As loveofmusic noted, there are several prominent independent labels in country music, with Big Machine (Taylor Swift, Tim McGraw, Rascal Flatts, Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, Zac Brown Band) and Broken Bow (Jason Aldean, Dustin Lynch, Randy Houser, Joe Nichols) being the two most prominent ones. There are also some promising and/or budding labels like Black River Entertainment (they've had #1 success with Kelsea Ballerini, and also have former hit-makers Craig Morgan and Kellie Pickler on their roster) and Big Loud Records (Big Loud is run by Clay Hunnicutt, who had been one of the biggest executives for Clear Channel prior to joining Big Loud). I wouldn't rule out the chance of Scotty going to another major label (Sony Nashville or Warner Nashville), either. There's still the potential for Scotty to have a lot of success yet (key word is "potential"). I don't know what his relationship with 19 Recordings is like -- if it's not a good one then hopefully he'd be able to satisfy or get out of that contract eventually, but if he's on good terms with them then it's a matter of no importance. Kellie Pickler had a joint contract with 19/Sony after Idol, but after 3 albums (released by 19/Sony) she was able to sign with Black River Entertainment...and this marked the end of her time with 19. I agree with .indulgecountry -- I fully expect Scotty to wind up somewhere else. Unlike Pickler (and others), Scotty won American Idol. And even though his momentum cooled off quite a bit this past year, the fact remains that he's sold millions of singles and more than 2 million albums, all within the past few years. He also tours quite well. I think another label would jump at the chance to sign him, especially if they can sign him outright (without having to do a joint contract with 19). Worst case scenario would be the new label having to work together with 19, but even then I still foresee Scotty landing with another label. Scotty's only 22...he's gonna keep making music. Whether he can have success or not is another story, but I definitely don't think he's done, not by a long shot. He's a proven hit-maker. And while I don't know him personally, I think it's pretty obvious that he's doing what he wants to do: singing country music. I'm sure he and the people that work for him are already trying to figure out what their next step will be, and I'd bet anything that it involves trying to get signed by another label so that he can get back on the radio and keep doing what he loves. Very nicely said. He's too high profile to go anywhere. I also think an independent label like Big Machine, Black River, Broken Bow, etc. could be a good fit for them. They are just as good if not better than major labels on getting radio play, promotion, etc.
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