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Post by carriekins on Apr 2, 2013 13:48:22 GMT -5
I think it is a little odd that a thread for this is even in the country forum. All the reviews are addressing the Red tour and songs as Pop and even some rock. Taylor even retweeted on twitter in regards to the reviews so I would say she is happy as being classified as the mega Pop/Rock star of 2013. The thread is in the country forum because "Begin Again" was sent to country radio as Taylor's first (and only, so far) country single from 'Red'. Also, for somebody who I'm sure is perfectly content with her place as a pop star, she sure is promoting herself for ACM Entertainer of the Year... so it's evident she (or somebody in her camp) still desires the country industry acknowledgment.
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Post by Lozzy on Apr 2, 2013 14:01:20 GMT -5
I think it is a little odd that a thread for this is even in the country forum. All the reviews are addressing the Red tour and songs as Pop and even some rock. Taylor even retweeted on twitter in regards to the reviews so I would say she is happy as being classified as the mega Pop/Rock star of 2013. The thread is in the country forum because "Begin Again" was sent to country radio as Taylor's first (and only, so far) country single from 'Red'. "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" was sent to country radio.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 2, 2013 14:12:35 GMT -5
The thread is in the country forum because "Begin Again" was sent to country radio as Taylor's first (and only, so far) country single from 'Red'. "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" was sent to country radio. I think we all know that "We Are Never Ever Ever Getting Back Together" was released to country radio. It seems that the widespread disdain for that song (especially with the mongrel chart appearing at the perfect time for the song to set all new records and make a mockery of the accomplishments of the entire history of the genre) warrants the little bit of sarcasm necessary to say that "Begin Again" is indeed the first "country" song from Red to be released. Actually, that claim hardly requires sarcasm at all!
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Post by Lozzy on Apr 2, 2013 14:42:35 GMT -5
"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" was sent to country radio. I think we all know that "We Are Never Ever Ever Getting Back Together" was released to country radio. It seems that the widespread disdain for that song (especially with the mongrel chart appearing at the perfect time for the song to set all new records and make a mockery of the accomplishments of the entire history of the genre) warrants the little bit of sarcasm necessary to say that "Begin Again" is indeed the first "country" song from Red to be released. Actually, that claim hardly requires sarcasm at all! Well, I didn't detect the sarcasm in that. Sorry, then, I guess?
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 2, 2013 15:30:58 GMT -5
No, I had actually blocked out the fact that country radio played WANEGBT, since I've never considered it anything other than a blatant pop song. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 16:14:54 GMT -5
I think it is a little odd that a thread for this is even in the country forum. All the reviews are addressing the Red tour and songs as Pop and even some rock. Taylor even retweeted on twitter in regards to the reviews so I would say she is happy as being classified as the mega Pop/Rock star of 2013. The thread subject is "Begin Again", not "Red". BA was a top 10 hit at country radio. We don't post album threads in the country forum unless the threads are listening party threads (like with Brad Paisley's new album).
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 2, 2013 16:24:17 GMT -5
they are just confirming what many people suspect, that Red has no more country single material (which isn't true). So, there's country material on Red...?? Hmmm, I guess I haven't found it yet. I'm not going to debate whether you consider some songs on Red country or not, but you really don't think there's more single potential for the country format? "Stay Stay Stay," "All Too Well," "Red," "I Almost Do," and "Come Back, Be Here" would probably all do decently if released, so yes, there is country single material left on the album.
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Post by jughead on Apr 2, 2013 20:46:59 GMT -5
they are just confirming what many people suspect, that Red has no more country single material (which isn't true). So, there's country material on Red...?? Hmmm, I guess I haven't found it yet. I'm pretty sure Red, All Too Well, I Almost Do, The Moment I Knew, Come Back.....Be Here, Treacherous, Sad Beautiful Tragic, Starlight, Girl At Home, even The Lucky One and Holy Ground are just as country as Carrie Underwood's last 3 singles. So, more than half of the entire "Red" album fall under what is considered "contemporary country." The fact is, had some other country artist release Taylor's material, they would never receive "mixed" reactions as to whether they are country or not. But, Taylor reaches out to a bigger crowd that is not exactly just the typical country crowd. Taylor could release a bluegrass album and it would still appeal to the pop crowd, because she has become a brand of her own. You would never expect the typical pop listeners to listen to a song like "Safe and Sound", but, hey, Taylor made them listen to it. Had other country artist recorded that song, a lot of people would never even bother listening to it and they would've dismissed it as being boring. I guess part of why Taylor is being seen as a pop artist is because of she reaches out to a much bigger crowd outside of the country world. But like I said, she could release a bluegrass album and still appeal to the pop crowd.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 2, 2013 22:05:56 GMT -5
So, there's country material on Red...?? Hmmm, I guess I haven't found it yet. I'm pretty sure Red, All Too Well, I Almost Do, The Moment I Knew, Come Back.....Be Here, Treacherous, Sad Beautiful Tragic, Starlight, Girl At Home, even The Lucky One and Holy Ground are just as country as Carrie Underwood's last 3 singles. You were addressing someone who has indicated that he doesn't consider the single releases from Carrie Underwood's current album to be country. But to take you up on the point you were trying to make, the reason that people like me persist in considering Carrie to be countrier than Taylor is not marketing or target audience, as you suggest. The primary reason, as I stated in the "See You Again" thread, is that (as a recent Billboard Country Update story also noted) Carrie's vocal stylings draw pretty clearly from a tradition of female country singers dating back to Patsy Cline. She is a country singer who doesn't always release especially country songs (that said, "Blown Away" and "Two Black Cadillacs" draw quite clearly from the language and Southern Gothic point of view signature to some older country music, and the primary argument against Carrie's current single was that she had several excellent single choices that were undeniably country). Taylor, by contrast, is natural pop singer whose phrasing, depending on the song, resembles the likes of Avril Lavigne or adult pop singers like Colbie Caillat, Ingrid Michaelson, and A Fine Frenzy (and on Red, maybe even Dolores O'Riordan of The Cranberries). Even on "Begin Again," she sounds to me like a pop singer singing a pop melody dressed up with a touch of country instrumentation. Taylor's connection to country has always come through her early identification with a simple, detail-grounded narrative writing style more than her singing style or any other sonic elements (though on her debut album, she did sing with a bit of drawl). The evolution in the production of Taylor's songs has made the distance between her developing sound and the roots of country music even clearer, and with Red, Taylor's writing style evolved to incorporate CHR/Pop trends, Brit pop signifiers, and classic female singer-songwriter touches that recall the likes of Carole King. I will say once again that this evolution is a good thing for Taylor because it has brought her closer to her natural sound, and that Taylor is under no obligation to limit herself artistically. By the same token, country fans are under no obligation to consider her evolution something that redefines country music, especially when it is mostly market considerations that continue to connect her to the genre. Speaking of market considerations, country radio seems to have less and less interest in playing country music these days. So Red's shift toward various styles of pop won't necessarily disqualify its songs from country radio. However, the nature of Taylor's overtures to the pop market do appear to have made her music more polarizing to country radio listeners in general, and perhaps country radio programmers as well. I think that's why "Begin Again" struggled, needed a push to make the top-10, and then was set to peak at #7 or #8 before Big Machine did what Big Machine does. I don't think any release from Red can single-handedly turn around the perception that Taylor has become a pop singer who occasionally releases a song that can be considered country. But in a time when country's corporate gatekeepers are ushering Kelly Clarkson and Sheryl Crow onto country radio and into feature spots on network TV country showcases, that perception won't hinder Taylor from maintaining a presence in the country market.
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Post by Joe1240 on Apr 4, 2013 12:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by zaclord ๐ on Apr 5, 2013 18:50:27 GMT -5
"22" getting played on GAC and "IKYWT" getting played on country radio... who the heck thinks these songs are 'county' enough to be played on country tv/radio?
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Post by jughead on May 2, 2013 4:29:01 GMT -5
Red has just been put under the singles section on Spotify, could this be a sign? I'd say it is the only obvious choice if they aim for crossover success.
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Post by hank0629 on May 2, 2013 11:30:06 GMT -5
But TasteofCountry said "Everything Has Changed (feat. Ed Sheeran)" will be the next and the fifth single from โRedโ.
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Post by Dustin J. on May 2, 2013 12:30:34 GMT -5
But TasteofCountry said "Everything Has Changed (feat. Ed Sheeran)" will be the next and the fifth single from โRedโ. The FIFTH single?! I must have missed some song releases somewhere over the last few months. ???
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Post by onebuffalo on May 2, 2013 12:39:49 GMT -5
^Looked it up. Everything Has Changed will be the fifth single release from Red. The others: 1. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together 2. Begin Again 3. I Knew You Were Trouble 4. 22 Of course, not all of those were promoted to country.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 14:02:42 GMT -5
I don't think Taste Of Country is a very good source for this. I have a very hard time imagining "Everything Has Changed" being released to country radio as well. A pop release wouldn't be terribly surprising; in fact there's already been word that it will be her next Pop single, but there was nothing indicating it would go to Country radio as well, and I have my doubts that the label would send EHC to country radio anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 14:40:02 GMT -5
Taste of Country talks about everything Taylor Swift does, whether it is country or not. It doesn't surprise me they would mention it.
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Post by zaclord ๐ on May 3, 2013 0:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by joey2002 on May 3, 2013 1:31:21 GMT -5
Hopefully it's just the next pop single, and they'll release a new country single once "Highway Don't Care" peaks. ("All Too Well" please!)
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Post by cerulean on May 3, 2013 7:56:02 GMT -5
I don't think we even know whether this is getting a US release or just getting released in the UK, let alone whether it's going to pop or country. Most of the sources have specifically stated "UK single" (and that MTV link is MTV UK). For all we know, they're only releasing it in the UK because Ed Sheeran's on it. Sure, there's a good chance it'll be released here later now that it's seeing a UK release, but as of now, there's no indication it'll be the next US single.
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Post by Marv on May 3, 2013 22:35:24 GMT -5
Is everybody at Taste Of Country as delusional about Ms. Swift at country radio in 2013 as that writer is?
The hilarious-and-then-some assertion that 'Red continues to dominate country radio in 2013 just as it did in 2012' is a total crock; in sales and in nothing else does that preposterous remark hold wate, as evidenced by the fact that Taylor is a distant third behind Carrie & Miranda as it relates to airplay at country radio this year, and 2014 is looking like more of the same, and especially if we get another single from each of their current CDs.
I agree with 43dudleyvillas' flawless post as always; very well put.
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Post by Taylor. on May 3, 2013 22:51:34 GMT -5
EHC has only been confirmed as the next UK single. The next single release in the US (for pop or country) has yet to be announced.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 2:31:58 GMT -5
I don't think EHC would be that bad of a choice for Country, actually. It's entirely acoustic and it's a collaboration with a very popular newcomer. After the crash-and-burn of WANEGBT and the very painful chart run for "Begin Again", I think this could easily be a step in the right direction.
But "All Too Well" is still 100% the best option on the album for a Country release, bye.
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