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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 18, 2012 12:12:48 GMT -5
So why hasn't "Better Dig Two" been impacted? The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad. You've got Hollywood postponing episodes of American Dad and Family Guy, but still marketing the heck Tom Cruise and Jamie "I kill white people" Foxx movies. Bottom line: no one's giving up profit.
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 18, 2012 12:32:30 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like the song dropped 100 million AI overnight. Have some respect even if for 5 minutes.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 18, 2012 12:47:59 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like the song dropped 100 million AI overnight. Have some respect even if for 5 minutes. This has nothing to do with "respect" - it's merely an observation of activity that is happening on radio, which is what this topic is about. Are we supposed to ignore that suddenly DY is dropping? I don't believe most people have a problem with radio choosing to slow down the rotation of songs that my be upset listeners. However, radio, like other media gives mixed messages about what is deemed "appropriate." |
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Post by when the pawn... on Dec 18, 2012 13:21:15 GMT -5
I think there are 2 reasons why "Die Young" is being pinpointed over other songs with suggestive lyrics.
1. She repeats the line, "we're gonna die young" many times. I don't know if any other songs are that direct in regard to Friday's events.
2. It's #3 on overall airplay. Others aren't in as-heavy rotation so it makes sense that Ke$ha's song gets the biggest hit.
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 18, 2012 13:28:56 GMT -5
Some were complaining that Kesha was unlucky...why is Kesha being targeted...I think that comes down to respect. In the end its about understanding / respecting the drop...not if its right or wrong. As many have repeatedly stated..the lyrics are just not appropriate right now...but at the same time is still the 3rd most played song.
Anyways...I just can't anymore.
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Post by peterca on Dec 18, 2012 13:29:18 GMT -5
So why hasn't "Better Dig Two" been impacted? The hypocrisy of it all is pretty sad. You've got Hollywood postponing episodes of American Dad and Family Guy, but still marketing the heck Tom Cruise and Jamie "I kill white people" Foxx movies. Bottom line: no one's giving up profit. Although not nearly to the same degree, "Better Dig Two" has lost AIs the past few days. This song has come to a grinding halt on the Mediabase country airplay chart this week which is markedly different than the previous weeks when this song was receiving massive gains. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 15:06:24 GMT -5
Retro Top 10's for this week:
1 year ago (12/31/11)
1 1 We Found Love - Rihanna ft. Calvin Harris (8th week of 10 @ #1)
2 2 Sexy And I Know It - LMFAO
3 3 It Will Rain - Bruno Mars
4 5 Good Feeling - Flo Rida
5 4 The One That Got Away - Katy Perry
6 6 Ni**as In Paris - Jay-Z & Kanye West
7 7 Someone Like You - Adele
8 9 Without You - David Guetta ft. Usher
9 8 Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 ft. Christina Aguilera
10 10 5 O'Clock - T-Pain ft. Wiz Khalifa & Lily Allen
5 years ago (12/29/07)
1 1 No One - Alicia Keys (5th and final week @ #1)
2 3 Low - Flo Rida ft. T-Pain
3 2 Apologize - Timbaland & OneRepublic
4 4 Kiss Kiss - Chris Brown ft. T-Pain
5 5 Clumsy - Fergie
6 6 Bubbly - Colbie Caillat
7 8 Paralyzer - Finger Eleven
8 10 Tattoo - Jordin Spars
9 7 Hate That I Love You - Rihanna ft. Ne-Yo
10 9 Good Life - Kanye West ft. T-Pain
10 years ago (12/28/02)
1 1 Lose Yourself - Eminem (8th week of 12 @ #1)
2 2 Work It - Missy Elliott
3 3 Jenny From The Block - Jennifer Lopez ft. Jadakiss & Styles
4 5 '03 Bonnie & Clyde - Jay-Z ft. Beyonce
5 4 Air Force Ones - Nelly ft. Kyjuan, Ali & Murphy Lee
6 10 Beautiful - Christina Aguilera
7 12 Bump, Bump, Bump - B2K ft. P Diddy
8 8 Don't Mess With My Man - Nivea ft. Brandon Casey
9 6 Underneath It All - No Doubt ft. Lady Saw
10 7 The Game Of Love - Santana ft. Michelle Branch
15 years ago (12/27/97)
1 1 Something About The Way You Look Tonight / Candle In The Wind 1997 - Elton John (12th week of 14 @ #1)
2 2 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
3 3 You Make Me Wanna... - Usher
4 9 Together Again - Janet
5 8 Been Around The World - Puff Daddy & The Family ft. Notorious B.I.G. & Mase
6 4 My Body - LSG
7 5 Feel So Good - Mase
8 10 Show Me Love - Robyn
9 12 Truly Madly Deeply - Savage Garden [ugh..it begins.......]
10 6 My Love Is The Shhh! - Somethin' For The People ft. Trina & Tamara
Hot 100 Airplay from 15 years ago
1 1 Thubthumping - Chumbawumba (5th week of 9 @ #1)
2 2 Fly - Sugar Ray
3 3 Walkin' On The Sun - Smash Mouth
4 4 You Make Me Wanna... - Usher
5 6 I Don't Want To Wait - Paula Cole
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 18, 2012 15:23:40 GMT -5
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Post by bat1990 on Dec 18, 2012 16:42:56 GMT -5
Wow...anything with any reference that could be remotely connected to flying, sky, earthquakes, and Islam was blacklisted. I was 11 so I didn't remember noticing this, so I'm quite surprised at some. People are just  in their overreactions sometimes. |
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 18, 2012 16:47:20 GMT -5
Wow...anything with any reference that could be remotely connected to flying, sky, earthquakes, and Islam was blacklisted. I was 11 so I didn't remember noticing this, so I'm quite surprised at some. People are just in their overreactions sometimes. "Fly Away", "Walk Like An Egyptian", "Ironic" ... seriously? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 16:54:32 GMT -5
Wow...anything with any reference that could be remotely connected to flying, sky, earthquakes, and Islam was blacklisted. I was 11 so I didn't remember noticing this, so I'm quite surprised at some. People are just in their overreactions sometimes. "Fly Away", "Walk Like An Egyptian", "Ironic" ... seriously? Well "Ironic" does have the plane crash line. People were extremely sensitive after 9/11 for a LONG time. It was a horrific tragedy. I know I didn't want to hear lyrics that reminded me of what happened for awhile afterward. |
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 18, 2012 17:00:27 GMT -5
I think there are 2 reasons why "Die Young" is being pinpointed over other songs with suggestive lyrics. 1. She repeats the line, "we're gonna die young" many times. I don't know if any other songs are that direct in regard to Friday's events. 2. It's #3 on overall airplay. Others aren't in as-heavy rotation so it makes sense that Ke$ha's song gets the biggest hit. "Don't You Worry Child" is worse in my opinion. Don't you worry, don't you worry child, see Heaven's got a plan for you It's still gaining like crazy, so it's obviously not being affected at all. Some were complaining that Kesha was unlucky...why is Kesha being targeted...I think that comes down to respect. In the end its about understanding / respecting the drop...not if its right or wrong. As many have repeatedly stated..the lyrics are just not appropriate right now...but at the same time is still the 3rd most played song. Anyways...I just can't anymore. The "unlucky" comment was not being referred to this incident, and it was only posted by one person. Said poster was talking about how Ke$ha missed out on the #1 on the Hot 100, opened with very disappointing sales, and now her song is dropping like crazy instead of getting longevity. Of course the song has peaked and was going to fall anyway, but not this hard and not this quickly. While that's not exactly "unlucky" to some, it is kind of an "ugh, again?" type of moment. There are many artists who wish to be doing as well as she had, but you have to admit that it's a three-time streak of being so close to something and then it just gets taken away. This has absolutely nothing to do with respect. The song does not talk about death whatsoever. It's about partying hard because you don't know what the next day will being to you. Not once does it talk about guns, shooting, murder, Connecticut, children, or even death. Just because you mention "die," does not mean you're talking about death. "Young" also does not mean "children." We are not talking about respecting anyone here. Do you honestly think people complaining about these big losses for "Die Young" think the 20 innocent children who lost their lives shouldn't be respected? That's a terrible thing to say. Nobody thinks like that. In fact, go look at iTunes right now. Can you tell me that "Die Young" has fallen hard because of this incident? No, you can't because it hasn't. So are those thousand of people who will obviously be downloading this song this week aren't respecting those 20 children? No. Radio is making a ridiculous connection between the song and the incident while the general public isn't, as obvious per iTunes downloads. The fact of the matter is that radio is trying to dictate what is appropriate or not, and forcing their insane opinions on us. "Die Young" is not inappropriate at this time. In fact, it describes the situation perfectly. We should live up today because we don't know what tomorrow may bring. This is the theme and meaning of "Die Young." Why is that inappropriate to the recent events? It's not. Radio might as well be killing "Catch My Breath" because the 20 children can't breathe anymore or killing "Locked Out of Heaven" because the children are going there now and it will make the parents worry that their own children are locked out of it. It's a ridiculous connection, right? Well, so is the connection to "Die Young." It also raises up a question as to why "Titanium" was not killed off this quickly after the shooting in the Colorado Theater. If I recall correctly, "Pumped Up Kicks" became a hit only a few short months after another school shooting. |
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 18, 2012 17:08:51 GMT -5
"Fly Away", "Walk Like An Egyptian", "Ironic" ... seriously? Well "Ironic" does have the plane crash line. Forgot about that line; I just assumed it was on there because of all the misfortunes in the lyrics. I retract that one, then. "Don't You Worry Child" is worse in my opinion. Don't you worry, don't you worry child, see Heaven's got a plan for you It's still gaining like crazy, so it's obviously not being affected at all. Couldn't that also be seen as uplifting, though? |
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 18, 2012 17:15:51 GMT -5
Well "Ironic" does have the plane crash line. Forgot about that line; I just assumed it was on there because of all the misfortunes in the lyrics. I retract that one, then. "Don't You Worry Child" is worse in my opinion. Don't you worry, don't you worry child, see Heaven's got a plan for you It's still gaining like crazy, so it's obviously not being affected at all. Couldn't that also be seen as uplifting, though? The lyrics to "Die Young" are uplifting too, though. |
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 18, 2012 17:24:46 GMT -5
Couldn't that also be seen as uplifting, though? The lyrics to "Die Young" are uplifting too, though. But the title is not. My point was that both the title and the lyrics of "Don't You Worry Child" seem uplifting to me, so there's no reason why it should be blacklisted/banned/impacted/boycotted/whatever. |
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Post by hitseeker. on Dec 18, 2012 17:43:24 GMT -5
Many people argue whether or not other songs should have the same fate as "Die Young" because of their lyrics. While I can see some legitimacy in those claims I definitely believe the main reason why "Die Young" is plummeting this hard is because of its title. I mean "Die Young"...in the light of this tragedy, that must put many people off. Besides, the fact that the song had already peaked helped it's free fall.
And I definitely agree with Slizzard in regard to the "Don't You Worry Child" lyrics: the line "Don't you worry, don't you worry child. See heaven's got a place for you" is uplifting in light of the what happened.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 18, 2012 17:49:01 GMT -5
Ostracizing a song because of its title is wrong, though, and relates back to what I posted above. Obviously it's not hindering the song in sales, (can't tell about streaming since it was obviously going to fall hard this week anyway) so why should radio try to tell us that we're wrong for still wanting to purchase it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 17:55:53 GMT -5
Ostracizing a song because of its title is wrong, though, and relates back to what I posted above. Obviously it's not hindering the song in sales, (can't tell about streaming since it was obviously going to fall hard this week anyway) so why should radio try to tell us that we're wrong for still wanting to purchase it? They're not... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 17:59:41 GMT -5
I really cannot believe this is still being talked about. Most Pulse discussion of all time.
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 18, 2012 18:08:42 GMT -5
Au$tin..you yourself said Kesha was being "punished"...I mean seriously. I kind of wish all the stations that are dropping "Die Young" because of it's unfortunate title were replacing all of the spins with this just so they aren't completely "punishing" Ke$ha for what happened. I hate seeing one of the biggest pop songs of the year getting -700s.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 18:14:50 GMT -5
I really cannot believe this is still being talked about. Most Pulse discussion of all time. Should we just ignore charts? I don't see how this is any more Pulse than talking about BTW's 0.99$ deal for MDNAs ticket bundle for months. It also raises the question of why Titanium has a positive bullet currently, despite having arguably worse lyrics. |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 18, 2012 18:23:34 GMT -5
The connection to Die Young is not ridiculous...20 children died young...the song is called Die Young. What more does one need to understand.
I, as most on Pulse understand Kesha is not talking about children...and understand that some of us may not want to hear die young being repeated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 18:28:41 GMT -5
Should we just ignore charts? I don't see how this is any more Pulse than talking about BTW's 0.99$ deal for MDNAs ticket bundle for months. Obviously it's interesting from a chart point of view. But it's the fact that certain posters are approaching this situation from the typically borderline aspergers obsession with divas and chart positions point of view that is so depressing. Children have died. Coming in here and seeing posters talking about how wrong this is for Ke$ha and how it's affecting streaming... I just can't even describe the way that makes me feel and I don't even have any connection to Newtown. Also, seeing people be so dense that they seemingly can't understand why A SONG CALLED "DIE YOUNG" isn't being played much at the moment is genuinely mindblowing. |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 18, 2012 18:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by WotUNeed on Dec 18, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
Wow...anything with any reference that could be remotely connected to flying, sky, earthquakes, and Islam was blacklisted. I was 11 so I didn't remember noticing this, so I'm quite surprised at some. People are just in their overreactions sometimes. The songs weren't actually blacklisted. That Clear Channel memo wasn't official policy or anything; it was just one person in the company who made an attempt to collect some songs that were played on Clear Channel stations that could potentially be songs to consider avoiding. Most of the songs on that list were impacted minimally or not at all. Also, seeing people be so dense that they seemingly can't understand why A SONG CALLED "DIE YOUNG" isn't being played much at the moment is genuinely mindblowing. I understand why the song's being dropped, but I'm one who... hmm... I don't want to say I disagree with it, because I'm fine with programmers respecting those who'd rather not hear it; but, I do think it speaks to how superficially a lot of listeners treat their music. A book by the cover you cannot judge and all that. It's ultimately trivial, though; years from now, few people are going to associate this song with that tragedy or associate that tragedy with this song. I don't think either event has had any sort of lasting impact on the other's place in history. |
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Ke$ha's 'Die Young' And Sandy Hook: The Song Remains The Same
After the Sandy Hook shootings, radio stations have pulled Ke$ha's song ... but Bigger Than The Sound wonders why now?
By James Montgomery (@positivnegativ)
In the wake of last week's tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, it's not all that surprising to learn that Ke$ha's "Die Young" has been taken out of rotation at radio stations across the country ... even if the song is very much about celebrating life, well, there's really no way of getting around that chorus.
That's not the larger issue here, though. That's mostly because there are no shortage of larger issues that have come to light following Sandy Hook, the vast majority of which probably cannot adequately be covered here (though, personally, I know where I stand on each and every one of them). In the grand scheme of things, the disappearance of "Die Young" from radio is a mere footnote, something that can very easily be chalked up to an unfortunate coincidence. Then again, I've never been one to avoid making a mountain out of a molehill, so please allow me to ask this one question: Why now?
I'm not trying to compare tragedies here, and certainly both the scope and savagery of the Sandy Hook shootings set it apart from much anything in recent memory, but I can't help but wonder why radio stations weren't pulling "Die Young" just after it premiered in September, when 25-year-old Jose Escobar was shot and killed in Chicago. It was the city's 400th homicide of the year, a new high, and data has shown that since 2008, a staggering 530 young people — mostly African Americans and Latinos — have been killed in the city.
Or consider a report filed earlier this year by the Children's Defense Fund, which looked at data from 2008 and 2009 and found that not only was gun homicide was the leading cause of death among black teens, but that guns killed nearly 6,000 children and teenagers in that two year span, which equals out to "one child or teen [killed] every three hours." Given that data, one has to wonder why radio even played "Die Young" in the first place.
And the list goes on and on: Trayvon Martin was 17 when he was shot and killed in February. Twenty-year-old Dylan Lemalie was charged with the murder of 21-year-old Jesus Solis in September. Austin Reed Sigg, 17, confessed to the kidnapping and murder of a 10-year-old in October. Surely the families of the victims in these cases object to the chorus of Ke$ha's song too, right?
Again, in many regards, Sandy Hook stands alone. But it is far from a singular incident. And I understand the reasons behind pulling "Die Young" from the airwaves ... but, to me, it seems to be fueled by little more than empty sentiment, not to mention a bit of hypocrisy. No matter how you feel about Ke$ha, "Die Young" is only a song, and whether or not it's played on radio will not bring back any of the victims of Sandy Hook, or any other crime. Here's hoping that, as the nation seems to finally be willing to address larger, more important issues, we possess that same perspective, and push for a world where the chorus of a pop song is merely that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 20:48:04 GMT -5
^That article is more or less hinting at the idea that black-on-black crime is virtually ignored or not seen as "our" problem in the US and that is a whole other can of worms.
The article does not delve into one big problem, which is that violence is so engrained in our culture that we never even stop to think about the fact that said violence and morbidity ends up manifesting itself through a lot of similes or imagery in popular songs. "Die Young," "If I Die Young," "Titanium," "Pumped Up Kicks" (the most blatant), any rap or r&b song that has referred to blowing your back out and beating the pu$$y up, etc. And that is not to mention the countless videos, movies, tv shows, and even commercials that have alluded to as much. So the author falls back on "hopefully one day we'll realize it's just a song" instead of questioning "why do we have so many songs like this on air in the first place?" I'm not clamoring for censorship necessarily, but maybe some more discretion? We're just a very debased culture right now in almost every way imaginable and it seems our way of excusing all this is that it's all right as long as something hasn't happened recently; we can just pull things when something bad does happen - and if enough people are visibly turned off. We also tend to marginalize one-on-one violence (probably because it seemingly happens so much that we've become desensitized to any news about it). A mass killing is a tragedy, one murder is merely sad.
Hence you get PUK being successful because it didn't coincide with highly publicized mass shootings, or "Titanium" getting a pass b/c who really knew what the hell Sia was saying, and rap songs being glossed over because that is just what we've come to expect from that genre. I don't feel that Ke$ha is "unlucky" for DY being the biggest target of people's sensitivity to Newtown, but it is symptomatic of our tendency to look for a 'quick fix' in order to avoid a genuine discussion about what's wrong with our entire culture as a whole. Maybe if we were already having this discussion we could separate the "Die Young"s from the "Pumped Up Kicks"s instead of having knee-jerk reactions to whichever is most popular at the time.
That said, I also think it's quite a bit of a stretch to call DY "inspiring." It's a song about young adults having probably adulterous sex under the excuse of "YOLO!" and not one bit more so I will admit I've been rolling my eyes a lot at anyone trying to defend it this way. Those kids in Newtown were at least a decade away from even beginning to fathom relating to such a message (making the hook painfully ironic to hear since they died young before having the opportunity to make the most of any night), and you can't make such a message apply to their situation at all. Just thinking about the base meaning it does have is likely to only make many feel worse since it repeats" like we're gonna die young" so much. At least with "C'mon" you can get that same adulterous YOLO feeling without accidentally associating it in a negative way with real life events.
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 18, 2012 20:53:10 GMT -5
In light of boycotting/blacklisting tracks on the heels of national tragedies, I believe it should simply be an all-or-nothing proposition. Either be consistent, or don't even try. If you're going to boycott "Die Young", then you better be prepared to boycott "Girl On Fire", "Dynamite", "Blow" and the umpteen other songs that incorporate violent imagery either directly in the titles or as choice metaphoric devices in the hooks of any given single. And once you fathom exactly how long the trail of bread crumbs traipses, it is then realized how absurd this whole blacklisting practice is to begin with. Obviously, consistency is too much to ask for. Political correctness is bad enough, but it's even more insulting when there is a double standard. Songs like "Die Young" are NOT the issue. The real issues are namely 1) the decline of social capital and its direct correlation with disintegration, 2) the declining quality of public education, 3) the fact there is absolutely no practical purpose for owning a semi-automatic weapon or any assault weapon really, especially those with over ten magazines, and that we need to get these weapons off of store shelves, and 4) the need for greater mental health advocacy. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton The song talks about dying young, and young children actually DIED in Newtown. It seems you deem the fact that the song is blacklisted a more tragic event than the shooting in Newtown. Nice try attempting to put me on a guilt trip. No, I do not. Quite the contrary, in fact. I consider what happened in Newtown, Connecticut to be inconceivably horrific.........AND I do NOT want to cede ANY ground to troubled souls like that killer and allow further liberties of ours to be put on the cutting board. Allowing our freedom of choice to be usurped under the guise of "respect" as Clear Channel might term it, in fact, doesn't provide consolation to the victims, but rather caves in toward the killer: by allowing sorry souls like him to further erode any remnants of liberty we still had intact, let alone distract us from the more substantial issues at stake here, which I alluded to in my previous response. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 18, 2012 21:12:43 GMT -5
If the listeners are demanding that the song be dropped then it should be dropped. However, I suspect that the corporate types are requesting that songs be dropped from heavy rotation. Give me gun control over randomly dropping songs from radio any day of the week. But both would be insane! Nothing insane about gun control. Less guns = less murders with guns. The numbers dont lie. Dropping songs from radio for any other reason than the listener demanding it is insane. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Dec 18, 2012 21:35:51 GMT -5
The connection to Die Young is not ridiculous...20 children died young...the song is called Die Young. What more does one need to understand. I, as most on Pulse understand Kesha is not talking about children...and understand that some of us may not want to hear die young being repeated. By that logic, we should waste no time banning "E.T. (Futuristic Lover)", "Give Me Everything" and "Tonight (I'm F***in' You)", to name a few, from the airwaves too: because they at least suggest rape fantasies (if not outright endorse them). So next time there is breaking news in your municipality with regard to rape or sexual assault, I trust you'll join others in banning all three of those songs from the airwaves, among others, because many in your community don't want to hear lyrics like "Want to be your victim!" or "Grab someone sexy and tell them "Hey, give me everything tonight!" or "Excuse me, I don't mean to be rude, but tonight I'm (bleep)ing you!"........among others about rape or attempted rape fantasies, yes? Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton |
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