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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 14:08:58 GMT -5
Day 1 Begins
Deadline has been set for 05.30.13 11:59AM EST.
It takes 3/5 votes to lynch!
Day 1: Vote Count 3 Jason Nightfire Az: Codex Nightfire: Countryrocks Countryrocks: Jason Codex: Az
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Post by LBTrocks on May 27, 2013 14:32:06 GMT -5
Codex got really suspicious of AZ early on, but AZ was actually analyzing and talking about the statistics of the game. I think one of those two is probably scum. Probably not both, unless they have some strategy going on with the whole arguing with and voting for each other thing. I'm getting more scum vibes from Codex at the moment, so.
Vote: Codex
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 15:20:12 GMT -5
How is getting suspicious of Az scum-worthy? I made valid points.
You two are the mafia I'm sure of it!!!11
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 15:24:32 GMT -5
also Az literally said nothing, lmao. I clever way of making it seem like he's doing useful analyzing but in reality all he did was write down that there are scum in the game...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 15:27:20 GMT -5
Also can we drop the whole "vibes" thing? We're never going to win based on "vibes". You have to look for objective proof.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 27, 2013 15:42:49 GMT -5
The condescension... excuse me if I find it a little bit insulting that you look down on me for trying.
As for my 'doing literally nothing'? Nice brush-off, you keep coming at me for 'being a bad player' or the like but the way you're glossing over things just irks me. I acknowledged that some of my initial thoughts were stating the obvious. I also acknowledged I had a bad logic/attention fail and you jumped on me for it with some black-and-white interpretation that I MUST have just f**ked up as scum, then you seemed to be trying to get me to roleclaim a role that's clearly not in the game. It seems like you've done nothing but goad me as if you think I'm gonna trip up in some way and drop a scumtell.
If you're REALLY town then you need to not be so single-minded.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 15:59:48 GMT -5
It seems like you've done nothing but goad me as if you think I'm gonna trip up in some way and drop a scumtell.. Yeah, that's the point. It's hard to hound other people when only you and me post. Also I said that because you indeed just stated the obvious, something Drag did in previous games when he was scum, coasting by without posting actual clues just putting raw data out there for the townies to discifer.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:02:57 GMT -5
and your fuck up might have been small but at this point we're looking for small things. No ones gonna come out and say theyre scum, small thing build up and later we'll have more significant clues.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:30:33 GMT -5
and your f**k up might have been small but at this point we're looking for small things. No ones gonna come out and say theyre scum, small thing build up and later we'll have more significant clues. Who is your vote on right now? It feels more and more like you aren't on Az's scum team if he is mafia.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:33:05 GMT -5
Jk just looked at the top of the page. Vote: countryrocks since you and Az seem to have the same mindset, and I think one or both of you are scum.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:38:24 GMT -5
Now both me and Countryrocks are at L-1, I could hammer either of us.
I'll keep my vote on Az for now though.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:41:02 GMT -5
Now both me and Countryrocks are at L-1, I could hammer either of us. I'll keep my vote on Az for now though. I think it could be either of them. Unfortunately, we need Jason here to make any kind of decision unless you lynch countryrocks, but yeah. I have a whole bunch of theories brewing in my head for how this lynch turns out, but they all depend on how the players in question react to this situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:44:14 GMT -5
We have 3 days btw, we dont have to rush. Jason, we need your input however!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 16:48:55 GMT -5
Day 1 Begins
Deadline has been set for 05.30.13 11:59AM EST.
It takes 3/5 votes to lynch!
Day 1: Vote Count 4 Az: Codex Countryrocks: Jason, Nightfire Codex: Az, Countryrocks
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Post by JCMF3 on May 27, 2013 17:56:01 GMT -5
So here are my viewpoints so far.
- Codex is coming on pretty aggressively, which reminds me a bit of his playing style in the last Mafia game (Platinum). But he was also quick to discount 'vibes' as a reason to vote. Honestly, with such a short game, that is all we have to go on right now. For me, that smells a little suspicious.
- Countryrocks jumped quick on Codex after Az. This would come across as a bit scummy in a normal game, but in this brief game, it wouldn't be so smart I think. I highly doubt Az and countryrocks are both scum - but I cannot rule out either one.
- Az quickly initiated some conflict with Codex. This could have been done because Az truly believes Codex is scum and wants to go for a quick lynch. That seems logical given this game and hence makes me think less so that he is scum.
- Nightfire is a question mark for me right now. I just don't have enough info.
Ok, it is dinner time. Maybe some food will give me a little bit of energy to think more about this. :)
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Post by JCMF3 on May 28, 2013 7:20:38 GMT -5
Well, even dinner and a good night's sleep didn't provide me with anymore insight into the game. Ugh. :-\
Night/Hellfire - can you elaborate more on your vote for countryrocks? And countryrocks - ca
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Post by JCMF3 on May 28, 2013 7:22:37 GMT -5
Oops!
(continued from above)
And countryrocks - can you provide anything in your defense?
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2013 12:01:21 GMT -5
What more insight do you need? Those points you mentioned indicate a line of thinking for you to investigate, and you've already asked a question relevant to that end.
- You think my conflict with Codex is because I legitimately think he's scum and that makes you more inclined to believe I'm town - You find it suspect that Countryrocks sided with me against Codex, but you still think it could be either Countryrocks or myself
If you think one out of us two is scum, and you're leaning toward me being Town, then wouldn't you be inclined to request more input from Countryrocks? You've done just that, now the ball is in his court to respond.
What I find interesting at this second, is that both yourself and Nightfire reckon I could be scum (Nightfire even said he believed that one or both of myself and Countryrocks were scum), but neither of you has a vote on me. In fact, Codex is the only one. So could we maybe dealing with JC-SCUM-F3 or Scumfire?
Codex is not out of my line of fire, and Countryrocks' vote intrigues me, it's Nightfire's post that is currently giving me pause the most. I'd like to hear a more detailed insight to his suspicions of myself and Countryrocks. You, Jason, don't particularly seem suspect to me but with a little more for us to bounce ideas around might lead to a clearer picture.
A little bit rambly and stream-of-thought there, but for the moment Vote: Nightfire
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2013 12:03:29 GMT -5
O, I've just looked and Nightfire's vote is on Countryrocks. Still, if you think we're both scum, what made you pick him over me? Obviously voting mechanics limit you to only choosing one, but what's the reasoning behind which one you chose?
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Post by LBTrocks on May 28, 2013 13:37:37 GMT -5
Why I voted for Codex is fairly simple. He got suspicious of AZ really early on, which is fine, but he's really been pushing for his lynch and then mine because as far as he's concerned, he's certain that AZ and I are scum. He was thinking that even before I voted for him or had posted in the thread, which made no sense. Also, his reasons for being suspicious of AZ seemed flimsy to me. AZ could be mafia playing a very convincing town by actually posting and giving analysis, or he could actually be town. Other than that, I'm not sure what Codex finds so suspicious. I'm going to go back and read AZ's posts yet again to try and see if I pick up on anything that I feel could be scummy. Codex has been going after AZ and I and not giving much analysis on anything else, so I feel okay leaving my vote parked on him for the time being. . And as a side note, this also proves to Codex that I am not afraid of putting someone at L-1 when they have done something I deem suspicious haha. But in the RVS stage, I don't see where it makes sense at al to put someone at L-1.
As for Nightfire, he had voted for Codex at first but now he seems more aligned with Codex than he does against him. I think we need to hear more from him as to what he's thinking and also why he voted the way he did. Are him and Codex possibly teammates? As for Jason, we really haven't heard a whole lot for him, and I would like to know why he has left his RVS vote on me.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 28, 2013 13:39:46 GMT -5
*all
This no editing thing is extremely aggravating when you realize you made typos haha.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:52:00 GMT -5
I actually misread his post originally. I thought he was saying we should focus on only those 4 people, since we know 1 of them is scum. I found this suspicious for reasons I wrote then. I later realized that he was actually just stating a random obvious fact. There could have been some theories drawn from it but he literally just wrote dowm that one of those 4 are mafia, all that told us was that there are mafia in the game. It could be a scum tactic to contribute without actually helping the town.
Also I was never rooting for his lynch. He's my main target currently, but I'm not ready to lynch him.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:54:49 GMT -5
Also, since I was at L-1 and I know I'm town, Nightfire siding with me instead of you/Az gives me the impression that he's not mafia. Meaning 2 of you, Az and Jason are likely scum.
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Post by JCMF3 on May 28, 2013 13:56:46 GMT -5
My analysis above has indicated why I do not believe you (Az) to be scum. And hence, I am not voting for you right now. Countryrocks came onto my suspect list recently, but my original vote for him was RVS. So, for that reason, I wanted to hear more from him and also from another player voting for him (Nightfire) to see if there is more insight/analysis to help me further.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 13:59:12 GMT -5
Also since I know I'm town, you two trying to lynch me is more proof I have then against Jason, so that's why you're my main suspects.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:03:44 GMT -5
So here are my viewpoints so far. - Codex is coming on pretty aggressively, which reminds me a bit of his playing style in the last Mafia game (Platinum). But he was also quick to discount 'vibes' as a reason to vote. Honestly, with such a short game, that is all we have to go on right now. For me, that smells a little suspicious. - Countryrocks jumped quick on Codex after Az. This would come across as a bit scummy in a normal game, but in this brief game, it wouldn't be so smart I think. I highly doubt Az and countryrocks are both scum - but I cannot rule out either one. - Az quickly initiated some conflict with Codex. This could have been done because Az truly believes Codex is scum and wants to go for a quick lynch. That seems logical given this game and hence makes me think less so that he is scum. - Nightfire is a question mark for me right now. I just don't have enough info. Ok, it is dinner time. Maybe some food will give me a little bit of energy to think more about this. :) The first part makes no sense. "vibes" are too weak proof to kill someone, which is why I think we should try to avoid those and get better clues before making descisions. Or if you have a vibe, explain what/why. Because it's an easy cop-out for RVSing if you just say you have a "vibe" without explaining it logically.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:05:40 GMT -5
Could you explain WHY what I said was suspicious? What alterior scum motive would I have with that? because for now it seems you're reaching
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Post by JCMF3 on May 28, 2013 14:15:58 GMT -5
^At that point in the game (and really during Day 1 of any Mafia game), there is little evidence available to build a case against someone as scum. Hence, a factor of randomness/guessing/'vibes' becomes a larger component of a vote. Ideally, vibes are not valid or objective reasons to vote for someone. But in this game, I just think you have to have some of that element - at least for right now. So, it is more of a disagreement we have.
And I was suspcious because the 'vibes' comment came after you went to L-1. I just thought that, if you were scum and were put at L-1, then you might throw out something to stop others from hitting the hammer on you. Now, thinking back, that is a strategy too if you are Town. So, I don't know. Regardless, that alone is not enough to make me vote for you.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2013 14:22:07 GMT -5
I think 'vibes' are a starting point but they aren't a be-all-end-all. It's a 'vibe' that has me suspicious of Codex given his targeting of me, but note that I didn't want to vote him when it would put him at L-1. As Codex has said upthread (may be back on page 2 IDK), at that point he and I were literally the only two who had done anything. So while I had a 'vibe' that wasn't enough for me to go, 'right well I MUST push for your lynch because I think you're scum'. He says he's Town, as expected, but I can't take his word on it, so if I were to put him at L-1 and someone else jumps in with a hammer, then I've done myself a disservice for being rash if he DID flip Town.
I think addressing multiple players may have confused you a bit Jason, because I wasn't questioning you - I wanted to hear what Countryrocks and Nightfire have to say about their votes, because their votes and their posts have opened up alternate possibilities. On that note, we're one down - now we have to hear from Nightfire.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:39:20 GMT -5
~let me get to my computer~
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