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Post by superbu on Jul 30, 2013 11:14:18 GMT -5
Near You by Francis Craig from 1947 - 17 weeks. (Good tune!) Do you have a list of the songs that spent 10+ weeks at #1 from July 1940-August 1958?  That 17 weeks at #1 for "Near You" is something that Whitburn likes to quote, but it's misleading. "Near You" spent 17 weeks at #1 on Billboard's JUKE BOX chart only. It was the #1 selling single for only 12 weeks. (Not sure about the airplay, but it was less than 17 weeks on that.) popradiofan, the singles that spent 10+ weeks at #1 on Billboard's sales chart from July 1940 until the debut of the Hot 100 are (in rank order; date in parentheses is the actual week ending date, as opposed to the magazine issue date, which Billboard used to publish): Goodnight Irene - Gordon Jenkins & The Weavers #1 (13 weeks), 8/19/50 (8/11/50) Paper Doll - Mills Brothers #1 (12 weeks), 11/6/43 (10/28/43) I've Heard That Song Before - Harry James, Vocal: Helen Forrest #1 (12 weeks), 3/6/43 (2/25/43) Heartaches - Ted Weems #1 (12 weeks), 3/15/47 (3/7/47) Near You - Francis Craig #1 (12 weeks), 9/20/47 (9/13/47) I'll Never Smile Again - Tommy Dorsey #1 (12 weeks), 7/27/40 (7/20/40) White Christmas - Bing Crosby #1 (11 weeks), 10/31/42 (10/22/42) Riders In The Sky - Vaughn Monroe #1 (11 weeks), 5/14/49 (5/6/49) The Third Man" Theme - Anton Karas #1 (11 weeks), 4/29/50 (4/21/50) Cry - Johnnie Ray & The Four Lads #1 (11 weeks), 12/29/51 (12/21/51) Vaya Con Dias - Les Paul & Mary Ford #1 (11 weeks), 8/8/53 (8/1/53) Amapola - Jimmy Dorsey, Vocal: Bob Eberly & Helen O'Connell #1 (10 weeks), 3/29/41 (3/21/41) Moonlight Cocktail - Glenn Miller, Vocal: Ray Eberle #1 (10 weeks), 2/28/42 (2/20/42 Till The End Of Time - Perry Como #1 (10 weeks), 9/15/45 (9/6/45) The Gypsy - Ink Spots #1 (10 weeks), 5/25/46 (5/16/46) Ballerina - Vaughn Monroe #1 (10 weeks), 12/13/47 (12/5/47) Buttons And Bows - Dinah Shore #1 (10 weeks), 11/6/48 (10/29/48) The Song From Moulin Rouge - Percy Faith #1 (10 weeks), 5/16/53 (5/9/53) Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White - Perez Prado #1 (10 weeks), 4/30/55 (4/20/55) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 11:16:11 GMT -5
Do you have a list of the songs that spent 10+ weeks at #1 from July 1940-August 1958? That 17 weeks at #1 for "Near You" is something that Whitburn likes to quote, but it's misleading. "Near You" spent 17 weeks at #1 on Billboard's JUKE BOX chart only. It was the #1 selling single for only 12 weeks. (Not sure about the airplay, but it was less than 17 weeks on that.) popradiofan, the singles that spent 10+ weeks at #1 on Billboard's sales chart from July 1940 until the debut of the Hot 100 are (in rank order; date in parentheses is the actual week ending date, as opposed to the magazine issue date, which Billboard used to publish): Goodnight Irene - Gordon Jenkins & The Weavers #1 (13 weeks), 8/19/50 (8/11/50) Heartaches - Ted Weems #1 (12 weeks), 3/15/47 (3/7/47) Near You - Francis Craig #1 (12 weeks), 9/20/47 (9/13/47) Riders In The Sky - Vaughn Monroe #1 (11 weeks), 5/14/49 (5/6/49) The Third Man" Theme - Anton Karas #1 (11 weeks), 4/29/50 (4/21/50) Cry - Johnnie Ray & The Four Lads #1 (11 weeks), 12/29/51 (12/21/51) Vaya Con Dias - Les Paul & Mary Ford #1 (11 weeks), 8/8/53 (8/1/53) Amapola - Jimmy Dorsey, Vocal: Bob Eberly & Helen O'Connell #1 (10 weeks), 3/29/41 (3/21/41) Till The End Of Time - Perry Como #1 (10 weeks), 9/15/45 (9/6/45) The Gypsy - Ink Spots #1 (10 weeks), 5/25/46 (5/16/46) Ballerina - Vaughn Monroe #1 (10 weeks), 12/13/47 (12/5/47) Buttons And Bows - Dinah Shore #1 (10 weeks), 11/6/48 (10/29/48) The Song From Moulin Rouge - Percy Faith #1 (10 weeks), 5/16/53 (5/9/53) Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White - Perez Prado #1 (10 weeks), 4/30/55 (4/20/55) Which chart does that come from? Best Sellers in Stores? |
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Post by superbu on Jul 30, 2013 11:18:40 GMT -5
That 17 weeks at #1 for "Near You" is something that Whitburn likes to quote, but it's misleading. "Near You" spent 17 weeks at #1 on Billboard's JUKE BOX chart only. It was the #1 selling single for only 12 weeks. (Not sure about the airplay, but it was less than 17 weeks on that.) popradiofan, the singles that spent 10+ weeks at #1 on Billboard's sales chart from July 1940 until the debut of the Hot 100 are (in rank order; date in parentheses is the actual week ending date, as opposed to the magazine issue date, which Billboard used to publish): Goodnight Irene - Gordon Jenkins & The Weavers #1 (13 weeks), 8/19/50 (8/11/50) Heartaches - Ted Weems #1 (12 weeks), 3/15/47 (3/7/47) Near You - Francis Craig #1 (12 weeks), 9/20/47 (9/13/47) Riders In The Sky - Vaughn Monroe #1 (11 weeks), 5/14/49 (5/6/49) The Third Man" Theme - Anton Karas #1 (11 weeks), 4/29/50 (4/21/50) Cry - Johnnie Ray & The Four Lads #1 (11 weeks), 12/29/51 (12/21/51) Vaya Con Dias - Les Paul & Mary Ford #1 (11 weeks), 8/8/53 (8/1/53) Amapola - Jimmy Dorsey, Vocal: Bob Eberly & Helen O'Connell #1 (10 weeks), 3/29/41 (3/21/41) Till The End Of Time - Perry Como #1 (10 weeks), 9/15/45 (9/6/45) The Gypsy - Ink Spots #1 (10 weeks), 5/25/46 (5/16/46) Ballerina - Vaughn Monroe #1 (10 weeks), 12/13/47 (12/5/47) Buttons And Bows - Dinah Shore #1 (10 weeks), 11/6/48 (10/29/48) The Song From Moulin Rouge - Percy Faith #1 (10 weeks), 5/16/53 (5/9/53) Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White - Perez Prado #1 (10 weeks), 4/30/55 (4/20/55) Which chart does that come from? Best Sellers in Stores? Yes. I have photocopies of all the original Bestsellers in Stores charts. I printed them out from microfilm at the library. |
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Post by jebsib on Jul 30, 2013 12:10:23 GMT -5
While that 17 weeks for Francis Craig does come from Whitburn, it was also a stat used a lot by Fred Bronson from Billboard's ChartBeat back in the 90s. I'll be interested in what they say if we ever approach that milestone again.
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Post by RadioBeatz on Jul 30, 2013 12:14:18 GMT -5
Do you have a list of the songs that spent 10+ weeks at #1 from July 1940-August 1958? That 17 weeks at #1 for "Near You" is something that Whitburn likes to quote, but it's misleading. "Near You" spent 17 weeks at #1 on Billboard's JUKE BOX chart only. It was the #1 selling single for only 12 weeks. (Not sure about the airplay, but it was less than 17 weeks on that.) popradiofan, the singles that spent 10+ weeks at #1 on Billboard's sales chart from July 1940 until the debut of the Hot 100 are (in rank order; date in parentheses is the actual week ending date, as opposed to the magazine issue date, which Billboard used to publish): Goodnight Irene - Gordon Jenkins & The Weavers #1 (13 weeks), 8/19/50 (8/11/50) Heartaches - Ted Weems #1 (12 weeks), 3/15/47 (3/7/47) Near You - Francis Craig #1 (12 weeks), 9/20/47 (9/13/47) Riders In The Sky - Vaughn Monroe #1 (11 weeks), 5/14/49 (5/6/49) The Third Man" Theme - Anton Karas #1 (11 weeks), 4/29/50 (4/21/50) Cry - Johnnie Ray & The Four Lads #1 (11 weeks), 12/29/51 (12/21/51) Vaya Con Dias - Les Paul & Mary Ford #1 (11 weeks), 8/8/53 (8/1/53) Amapola - Jimmy Dorsey, Vocal: Bob Eberly & Helen O'Connell #1 (10 weeks), 3/29/41 (3/21/41) Till The End Of Time - Perry Como #1 (10 weeks), 9/15/45 (9/6/45) The Gypsy - Ink Spots #1 (10 weeks), 5/25/46 (5/16/46) Ballerina - Vaughn Monroe #1 (10 weeks), 12/13/47 (12/5/47) Buttons And Bows - Dinah Shore #1 (10 weeks), 11/6/48 (10/29/48) The Song From Moulin Rouge - Percy Faith #1 (10 weeks), 5/16/53 (5/9/53) Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White - Perez Prado #1 (10 weeks), 4/30/55 (4/20/55) Thanks for the list. :) Didn't "Paper Doll" by Mills Brothers and "Rum and Coca Cola" by Andrews Sisters spent 10 weeks at #1? Yeah,Whitburn books used the three main charts at the time: Best Sellers in Stores, Most Played by Jockeys (airplay) and Most Played by Jukeboxes that's why "Near You" is the 2nd longest running #1 after "Iris" 18 weeks on Hot 100 Airplay. (Is Fred Bronson the one that counts Hot 100 Airplay 1995-1998 or Joel Whitburn?). |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 30, 2013 15:15:01 GMT -5
^Whitburn highlights the airplay runs.
Jukeboxes, Best Sellers and Jockeys charts were all notable for that time- why should one carry more precedent over the other? After all, the Hot 100, for the bulk of its existence,has been a fusion of airplay and sales info.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 30, 2013 15:23:19 GMT -5
So blurred lines(single) is number one on itunes and blurred lines(album) is number six on itunes AND he's performing on AGT tomorrow. So im guessing at least 525K-600k for his tenth week at number one on digital and ninth on the hot 100.
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Post by velaxti on Jul 30, 2013 15:31:55 GMT -5
10 years ago, the first ever crunk song went top 10!! Or was there one before it?
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Post by Rocky on Jul 30, 2013 15:45:57 GMT -5
So blurred lines(single) is number one on itunes and blurred lines(album) is number six on itunes AND he's performing on AGT tomorrow. So im guessing at least 525K-600k for his tenth week at number one on digital and ninth on the hot 100. Its digital sales may go over 400k (400-430k), but no more. Slightly over 300k this week. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 30, 2013 15:52:43 GMT -5
So blurred lines(single) is number one on itunes and blurred lines(album) is number six on itunes AND he's performing on AGT tomorrow. So im guessing at least 525K-600k for his tenth week at number one on digital and ninth on the hot 100. Its digital sales may go over 400k (400-430k), but no more. Slightly over 300k this week. It will sell around 350k this week and the album bonus will be minimum 75k and the performance bonus should be at least 50k so maybe 520k at the most |
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Post by Soulsista on Jul 30, 2013 15:57:36 GMT -5
Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
8/12/78
01 02 Three Times a Lady - The Commodores (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 03 Grease - Frankie Valli
03 04 Last Dance - Donna Summer
04 01 Miss You - Rolling Stones
05 08 Hot Blooded - Foreigner
06 17 Boogie Oogie Oogie - A Taste Of Honey
07 09 Love Will Find a Way - deleted Cruise
08 12 Copacabana (At The Copa) - Barry Manilow
09 11 Magnet And Steel - Walter Egan
10 16 An Everlasting Love - Andy Gibb
8/13/83
01 01 Every Breath You Take - The Police (6th of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - The Eurythmics
03 03 She Works Hard For The Money - Donna Summer
04 07 Maniac - Michael Sembello
05 04 Is There Something I Should Know - Duran Duran
06 09 Stand Back - Stevie Nicks
07 05 Flashdance...What a Feeling - Irene Cara
08 11 It's a Mistake - Men At Work
09 08 Never Gonna Let You Go - Sergio Mendes w/Joe Pizzulo & Leza Miller
10 13 (Keep Feeling) Fascination - The Human League
8/13/88
01 01 Roll With It - Steve Winwood (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Hands To Heaven - Breathe
03 04 Make Me Lose Control - Eric Carmen
04 05 Sign Your Name - Terence Trent D'Arby
05 06 1-2-3 - Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine
06 07 I Don't Wanna Go On With You Like That - Elton John
07 08 I Don't Wanna Live Without Your Love - Chicago
08 10 Monkey - George Michael
09 03 Hold On To The Nights - Richard Marx
10 12 Just Got Paid - Johnny Kemp
8/7/93
01 01 Can't Help Falling In Love - UB40 (3rd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Whoomp! (There It Is) - Tag Team
03 03 Weak - SWV
04 04 I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) - The Proclaimers
05 05 Slam - Onyx
06 07 Lately - Jodeci
07 11 If I Had No Loot - Tony! Toni! Tone!
08 06 That's The Way Love Goes - Janet Jackson
09 08 Show Me Love - Robin S
10 12 I Don't Wanna Fight - Tina Turner
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Post by Rocky on Jul 30, 2013 16:08:09 GMT -5
jayhawk1117It sold 340k last week and this week it was dethroned by 1D for days. It lost the #1 exposure and those songs often decrease at least a bit. I predict no more than a 305-320k for this week. It won't sell over 500k at this point...
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Post by Acid Eyes on Jul 30, 2013 16:32:53 GMT -5
Two copies of Blurred Lines in the Top 5. :o
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 30, 2013 16:40:22 GMT -5
jayhawk1117It sold 340k last week and this week it was dethroned by 1D for days. It lost the #1 exposure and those songs often decrease at least a bit. I predict no more than a 305-320k for this week. It won't sell over 500k at this point... It was only dethroned for 3 days i think it will still sell at least 330 this week but i still feel like it might sell 500 because last year gotye out sold what alot of thought it would so we just have to wait and see |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 16:52:16 GMT -5
^Whitburn highlights the airplay runs. Jukeboxes, Best Sellers and Jockeys charts were all notable for that time- why should one carry more precedent over the other? After all, the Hot 100, for the bulk of its existence,has been a fusion of airplay and sales info. The Best Sellers, gets statistical preference. Example, Elvis has 17 #1's on Best Sellers but 18 on all charts combined The official count as we all know is 17 |
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Post by Rocky on Jul 30, 2013 16:55:42 GMT -5
jayhawk1117It sold 340k last week and this week it was dethroned by 1D for days. It lost the #1 exposure and those songs often decrease at least a bit. I predict no more than a 305-320k for this week. It won't sell over 500k at this point... It was only dethroned for 3 days i think it will still sell at least 330 this week but i still feel like it might sell 500 because last year gotye out sold what alot of thought it would so we just have to wait and see Dear... STIUTK sold 542k in its first week at #1. Yep it was climbing for months prior and was a sleeper hit, but Blurred Lines just won't sell over 500k that far into its run.  |
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Post by superbu on Jul 30, 2013 17:02:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the list. :) Didn't "Paper Doll" by Mills Brothers and "Rum and Coca Cola" by Andrews Sisters spent 10 weeks at #1? Ooh, big oversight on my part: Paper Doll - Mills Brothers #1 seller (12 weeks), 11/6/43 (10/28/43) I'll revise my original post, if I can. But "Rum and Coca-Cola" was only #1 on the Best Sellers in Stores chart for 8 weeks. ^Whitburn highlights the airplay runs. Jukeboxes, Best Sellers and Jockeys charts were all notable for that time- why should one carry more precedent over the other? After all, the Hot 100, for the bulk of its existence,has been a fusion of airplay and sales info. I would agree with you on airplay, but not on juke box, because I just don't see how you could keep track of how many times customers in a restaurant or bar played a record on the juke box. With radio, you've got a list. And stores know what they sold. So there was SOME degree of accuracy there. But any survey of establishments with juke boxes would almost have to be from memory... no one in a restaurant or bar is going to be sitting there writing down every time someone plays a song. |
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Post by superbu on Jul 30, 2013 17:21:17 GMT -5
God, I'm an idiot. I left out three or four songs off that pre-rock-era list, like "I'll Never Smile Again," which was the very first #1 on the Bestsellers in Stores chart, and "White Christmas." It should be correct now.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 30, 2013 17:22:55 GMT -5
Two copies of Blurred Lines in the Top 5. :o good for now, but I think the single version will be deleted next week. |
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Post by surreallife on Jul 30, 2013 18:19:37 GMT -5
^Whitburn highlights the airplay runs. Jukeboxes, Best Sellers and Jockeys charts were all notable for that time- why should one carry more precedent over the other? After all, the Hot 100, for the bulk of its existence,has been a fusion of airplay and sales info. The Best Sellers, gets statistical preference. Example, Elvis has 17 #1's on Best Sellers but 18 on all charts combined The official count as we all know is 17 Starting in 1946 Billboard used the Best Sellers chart for its' year-end ranking of the year's biggest hits which indicates to me it was viewed by BB as their premier singles chart. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 18:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by imbondz on Jul 30, 2013 20:11:17 GMT -5
For some reason I can't get into charts pre 1955.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 30, 2013 21:12:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Robin can sell 500+ this week? Next week really.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 30, 2013 21:22:52 GMT -5
Like seriously when was the last time a song occupied the Top 3 on iTunes?! Plus this isn't apart of the Complete My Album deal so those are all straight sales so nothing will be removed from the already standing total.
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2013 21:26:05 GMT -5
this isn't a part of the Complete My Album deal Are you sure about that? |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 30, 2013 21:34:44 GMT -5
this isn't a part of the Complete My Album deal Are you sure about that? was the track that was downloaded if you chose to Pre-Order the album off iTunes. |
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2013 21:40:59 GMT -5
Give It 2 U was the track that was downloaded if you chose to Pre-Order the album off iTunes. Oh I see what you're saying. That's not complete my album, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 21:46:38 GMT -5
Miley is down to 39% with BL combined, and that's before all of Robin's promo spots this week.  |
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2013 21:52:19 GMT -5
Miley is down to 39% with BL combined, and that's before all of Robin's promo spots this week. He already started the promo, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 23:43:54 GMT -5
The issue date of August 4th, 1958 of Billboard magazine contained something brand new for its readers. There was a new chart that debuted that week called The Hot 100 which for the first time, combined both sales and airplay into one chart, rather than having them separated into several charts as had previously been done. Over the last 55 years, the Hot 100 has become the standard bearer of the music industry, and is known all over the world as the American "chart of record." It is because of this very important distinction, and this years momentous anniversary that the very first Hot 100 Top 10 charts, will now be added to this weekly flashback page.
A few things to note about the Hot 100 at the time it debuted; first of all, the chart date was the same as the issue date, so the first chart was dated August 4, 1958, even though the chart was for the week ending August 10, 1958. This difference would continue until after the 1962 New Year when both the chart date and the issue date would become one and the same and it has remained that way pretty much ever since. Another thing to note is that because this was a brand new chart, compiled in a total different way then previously, all the songs that were carried over from the old chart that first week instantly started over with just one week on the new chart regardless of how many weeks they previously had logged on the old chart. Then on the second chart they were at week two, then week three, and so on.
And now...onward with the first Hot 100 Top 10 chart which debuted exactly 55 years ago this week. Followed by the usual Top 10 charts of exactly 50, 45, and 40 years ago this week.
The first Hot 100 #1 was "Poor Little Fool" by Ricky Nelson. Once upon a time there was a TV show called The Adventures Of Ozzie and Harriet which starred the four members of the Nelson family playing themselves. Ricky Nelson was one of the two sons on the show and as he grew into his teen years, he started to sing on the show and ultimately went on to be one of the first bonefide teen idols of the 50's.
August 4, 1958 (for week ending August 10, 1958)
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01 -- 01 Poor Little Fool - Ricky Nelson (First Hot 100 #1) (#1 for 1 week)
02 -- 01 Patricia - Perez Prado & His Orchestra
03 -- 01 Splish Splash - Bobby Darin
04 -- 01 Hard Headed Woman - Elvis Presley (last #1 song on previous Billboard Best Sellers chart)
05 -- 01 When - Kalin Twins
06 -- 01 Rebel-Rouser - Duane Eddy and his 'twangy' guitar
07 -- 01 Yakety Yak - The Coasters
08 -- 01 My True Love - Jack Scott
09 -- 01 Willie And The Hand Jive - The Johnny Otis Show
10 -- 01 Fever - Peggy Lee
Just a little over 3 months after Little Peggy March set a record for the youngest artist to have a #1 song with "I Will Follow Him," an even younger artist topped the Hot 100 with his own composition. "Fingertips" was so lengthy in time that it was split into A and B sides when it was issued as a single. The B side ultimately proved to be the more popular part of the song. Little Stevie Wonder was only 13 years old when he topped the chart with "Fingertips Part 2."
August 10, 1963
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01 02 08 Fingertips Part 2 - Little Stevie Wonder (1 week at #1)
02 05 08 Wipe Out - The Surfaris
03 04 07 (You're the) Devil In Disguise - Elvis Presley
04 06 07 Blowin' In The Wind - Peter, Paul & Mary
05 01 11 So Much In Love - The Tymes
06 08 06 Judy's Turn To Cry - Lesley Gore
07 03 09 Surf City - Jan & Dean
08 11 06 Candy Girl - Four Seasons
09 07 10 Easier Said Than Done - The Essex
10 19 06 More - Kai Winding
August 10, 1968
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01 01 06 Hello, I Love You - The Doors (2 weeks at #1)
02 02 08 Classical Gas - Mason Williams
03 03 11 Stoned Soul Picnic - The 5th Dimension
04 04 10 Grazing In The Grass - Hugh Masekela
05 13 04 People Got To Be Free - The Rascals (future #1)
06 05 08 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan
07 07 10 Lady Willpower - Gary Puckett And The Union Gap
08 09 09 Turn Around, Look At Me - The Vogues
09 10 20 Sunshine Of Your Love - Cream
10 06 10 Jumpin' Jack Flash - The Rolling Stones
August 11, 1973
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01 01 08 The Morning After - Maureen McGovern (2 weeks at #1)
02 03 06 Live And Let Die - Wings
03 08 08 Brother Louie - Stories (future #1)
04 07 11 Touch Me In The Morning - Diana Ross (future #1)
05 02 17 Bad, Bad Leroy Brown - Jim Croce
06 04 12 Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
07 17 05 Let's Get It On -Marvin Gaye (future #1)
08 05 11 Yesterday Once More - Carpenters
09 15 07 Uneasy Rider - Charlie Daniels
10 12 32 Monster Mash - Bobby (Boris) Pickett and the Crypt Kickers (reissue of the 1962 #1 hit)
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