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Post by lum on Dec 30, 2013 21:57:57 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't realize the music industry is that male dominant. Kelly did really well with WIR considering the current state of album sales.
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Post by Jack on Dec 30, 2013 22:04:29 GMT -5
I think the two unexpected B's interrupted this from being quite the runaway blockbuster it could have been; baby and Beyoncé. Thrilled about both though, so can't complain.
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Post by kmbgs on Dec 30, 2013 22:16:07 GMT -5
How do you think the baby had an impact? I thought it only really stopped her from doing overseas promo. Was the plan to have more exposure in the US? Because I don't think that could have been possible.
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Post by Jack on Dec 30, 2013 22:23:37 GMT -5
How do you think the baby had an impact? I thought it only really stopped her from doing overseas promo. Was the plan to have more exposure in the US? Because I don't think that could have been possible. Right so you already know that it halted promo plans worldwide, so you've kind of already answered your own question. But there were a few other opportunities she pulled out of in the US. Obviously it wasn't planned to coincide with the release of Wrapped In Red, and it obviously altered Kelly's feeling well and availability to a certain extent. As I've already said, the baby is a billion times more of a joy than anything to do with this album campaign, I'm just saying there were a couple of unforeseen occurrences and babe was a wonderful one of them.
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Post by kmbgs on Dec 30, 2013 23:17:17 GMT -5
How do you think the baby had an impact? I thought it only really stopped her from doing overseas promo. Was the plan to have more exposure in the US? Because I don't think that could have been possible. Right so you already know that it halted promo plans worldwide, so you've kind of already answered your own question. But there were a few other opportunities she pulled out of in the US. Obviously it wasn't planned to coincide with the release of Wrapped In Red, and it obviously altered Kelly's feeling well and availability to a certain extent. As I've already said, the baby is a billion times more of a joy than anything to do with this album campaign, I'm just saying there were a couple of unforeseen occurrences and babe was a wonderful one of them. Id love to know what she pulled out of. I obviously don't have inside info so I'm a bit out of the loop
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Post by bigb0882 on Dec 31, 2013 0:52:08 GMT -5
I don't see how the baby affected sales in the U.S. I guess you can say some of her performances/appearances weren't up to her usual standard because of the morning sickness but it isn't like she put on a shit show. I don't think it would have stopped anyone from buying the record. Even if it did, you are ignoring the positive press she got from being pregnant. That positive press, in theory, could have helped sales as much as you think it may have hindered them. Now, I realize you never said the baby hurt sales but it sure seems to be implied because I don't know what else you mean by "runaway blockbuster" if not sales. Maybe you know about other promo she was going to do in the U.S. but I can't imagine what would have been better than what she already did.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Dec 31, 2013 2:15:30 GMT -5
There's definitely the chance that there could've been more promo without the morning sickness.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 31, 2013 9:42:11 GMT -5
Silent Night, between Kelly Clarkson, Reba McEntire, and Trisha Yearwood debuts at #45 on the Hot Country Songs chart and is the #40 digital selling single. Now it debuts at #51 on the Country Airplay chart.
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Post by bb on Dec 31, 2013 10:02:19 GMT -5
I think most significantly Beyonce probably stole a ton of buzz and a ton of sales right around Christmas, but it's sort of justified because her album is phenomenal. I've no doubt that Kelly's promo was limited by her pregnancy-- if she cancelled worldwide slots, there's a decent chance she didn't do all of the slots available in the States. Additionally the buzz for the Special got sort of swallowed for some reason and probably did very little for the record. And UTT didn't pick up on Pop which could really have catapulted this into double platinum, I think.
But the era was overall her best executed since BA. The album was stunning, the single was the strongest lead single she has released maybe ever, the promotion was frequent and perfectly performed, the sales are impressive. In years to come it would be nice to see her push this even further-- I think if UTT picks up in the future, the album could become a modern classic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:05:06 GMT -5
Can't comment on any missed opportunities, bu I did kind of get the feeling there were at the least a few interviews she probably couldn't do b/c of her morning sickness. I'm still a bit miffed her special didn't get the Voice lead-in (to go along with bb's point about it being 'swallowed,' I think the change in time slot is probably the reason for this), and I really would have liked to have seen UTT used in a big retailer's national commercial for the ultimate exposure (not that Amazon is anything to sniff at but a Target or Best Buy ad...or hell, a Honda ad so I wouldn't have to hear Michael Bolton every two minutes omg I love him but this s**t is getting out of hand). This is not a complaint or anything to do with the baby though, just to make that clear, just me being greedy lol.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 31, 2013 10:15:23 GMT -5
Last year's best selling Xmas album sold 858k. Since opening sales weeks are down in 2013, I expected less than 858k for the top selling new Xmas albums this year.
702k sold (so far) and a 1xp certification is excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:45:40 GMT -5
I do hope they give UTT another push next year, it deserves it. It got such a great reaction, I think it still has a shot of becoming a Holiday classic.
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Post by james on Dec 31, 2013 14:52:43 GMT -5
I disagree with the beyonce comments, primarily because a Christmas album is in a completely different field from a studio new release, Secondly Beyoncé's album was released so late in the year the amount of copies it 'stole' away from Kelly would of been minimal especially considering Kelly sells more physically than digitally, and the later was where beyonce dominated completely. I would argue the Robinsons really would of been the main factor from this being a massive success in the US. Also Kelly hasn't sold huge amount of albums since breakaway so this showing is extremely pleasing and I think hoping for 200K plus weeks would of never happened unless there were less xmas albums charting in the top ten around Christmas. Also female xmas albums don't tend to sell as well as male albums and buble still has the fork as the modern xmas classic. Who knows maybe that will change in the near future
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Post by james on Dec 31, 2013 15:09:13 GMT -5
I think most significantly Beyonce probably stole a ton of buzz and a ton of sales right around Christmas, but it's sort of justified because her album is phenomenal. I've no doubt that Kelly's promo was limited by her pregnancy-- if she cancelled worldwide slots, there's a decent chance she didn't do all of the slots available in the States. Additionally the buzz for the Special got sort of swallowed for some reason and probably did very little for the record. And UTT didn't pick up on Pop which could really have catapulted this into double platinum, I think. But the era was overall her best executed since BA. The album was stunning, the single was the strongest lead single she has released maybe ever, the promotion was frequent and perfectly performed, the sales are impressive. In years to come it would be nice to see her push this even further-- I think if UTT picks up in the future, the album could become a modern classic. Also I don't get the overwhelming comments and love for underneath the tree. It was sort of like Dark Side, a really good song but just not really what people were looking for. AIWFCIY will always be the classic, and UTT didn't really deferentitate itself enough from that song, especially when pop only plays one or two xmas songs around xmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 15:43:04 GMT -5
I think most significantly Beyonce probably stole a ton of buzz and a ton of sales right around Christmas, but it's sort of justified because her album is phenomenal. I've no doubt that Kelly's promo was limited by her pregnancy-- if she cancelled worldwide slots, there's a decent chance she didn't do all of the slots available in the States. Additionally the buzz for the Special got sort of swallowed for some reason and probably did very little for the record. And UTT didn't pick up on Pop which could really have catapulted this into double platinum, I think. But the era was overall her best executed since BA. The album was stunning, the single was the strongest lead single she has released maybe ever, the promotion was frequent and perfectly performed, the sales are impressive. In years to come it would be nice to see her push this even further-- I think if UTT picks up in the future, the album could become a modern classic. Also I don't get the overwhelming comments and love for underneath the tree. It was sort of like Dark Side, a really good song but just not really what people were looking for. AIWFCIY will always be the classic, and UTT didn't really deferentitate itself enough from that song, especially when pop only plays one or two xmas songs around xmas I think the reaction for UTT was vastly greater than the reaction for DS. And what exactly were people looking for? I think it exceeded expectations for sure.
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Post by switch on Dec 31, 2013 16:09:15 GMT -5
I do hope they give UTT another push next year, it deserves it. It got such a great reaction, I think it still has a shot of becoming a Holiday classic. Definitely. The reaction it garnered was by far an overwhelmingly positive one. We probably wont know for at least a few more years whether or not it'll be a holiday classic. I would love to see her legacy further cemented so I do hope it becomes one! And I don't think the similarities it has with AIWFCIY will hurt its chances in becoming a classic. Plenty of successful songs share the similar sounds and there's definitely room on the Christmas market for one more upbeat Christmas song. So you're confused why it's getting all this love yet understand that it's a "really good song"? As far as what people are looking for in a Christmas song, the song had 1) a catchy melody 2) memorable lyrics and 3) crammed as much Christmas spirit into the production as humanly possible. So I'm not sure where that criticism is coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 17:08:23 GMT -5
I actually don't think UTT sounds that similar to AIWFCIY. Pretty much the only thing they have in common is that they are upbeat and try to capture the general Specter sound of the 60s. But AIWFCIY has a dramatic ballad-like verse and a bridge. The hook falls at the end of each verse, rather than being its own distinct part of the song. UTT on the other hand has a very quick intro, distinct chorus set apart from the verses, and a saxophone solo in place of a bridge. Aside from song structure, I feel their voices and the way they approach the verses in their respective songs are different as well.
As for what people were looking for, well, Christmas is the epitome of tradition. I doubt anyone was really "looking" for a new holiday song at all, so it's a bit of a moot point. But UTT got a great reception and dominated AC which I think is a really strong sign. Pop and HAC didn't jump on board and it may be some years before they do since they generally only veer from their typical playlists for the classics. But did RCA really push UTT to those formats beyond giving it an adds date? It was a new song, after all, so it would have required a push just like any other new single normally would. That may be what Jack was talking about when he says there were some missed opportunities.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 31, 2013 17:46:49 GMT -5
And because I feel like it was ever-changing, my final, first-season ranking: Oh yay! Sounds fun, let's do it! Love 1. Underneath the Tree 2. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas 3. Blue Christmas 4. Run Run Rudolph 5. My Favorite Things 6. Winter Dream 7. Every Christmas Really Like 8. 4 Carats 9. Just for Now Like 10. Baby, It's Cold Outside 11. Wrapped in Red Meh 12. Please Come Home for Christmas 13. Silent Night 14. White Christmas I bought the album from Walmart, so no "I'll Be Home for Christmas" or "Oh Come Emanuel." I didn't care for "Home" when it originally came out two(?) years ago, so meh. I would like to hear "Emanuel" eventually, though.
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Post by bb on Dec 31, 2013 18:34:51 GMT -5
After two months of listening...
LOVE 1.) Underneath the Tree 2.) Every Christmas 3.) Just for Now 4.) White Christmas 5.) 4 Carats 6.) Run Run Rudolph 7.) Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
LIKE 8.) Wrapped in Red 9.) Please Come Home For Christmas 10.) Winter Dreams 11.) Oh Come Oh Come Emmanuel 12.) I'll Be Home For Christmas
MEH 13.) My Favorite Things 14.) Blue Christmas 15.) Baby It's Cold Outside 16.) Silent Night
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 31, 2013 18:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 31, 2013 19:23:50 GMT -5
My Ranking:
Songs I Couldn't Live Without: 1) Wrapped In Red 2) Just for Now 3) Winter Dreams
Songs I Love 1) Every Christmas 2) Underneath the Tree 3) Please Come Home for Christmas 4) 4 Carats
Everything else is amazing, but those are my favorites.
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Post by toomuchboy on Dec 31, 2013 22:03:55 GMT -5
The originals are my favorites ("WIR," "Brandon's Song," "UTT" and "4 Carats"), although I expected the standards to be before listening. I believe the only tracks I don't particularly care far are the duets, unfortunately (although I like Trisha, Reba, and Dunn), and "Run Run Rudolph," although I guess she needed another upbeat.
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Post by kc98 on Jan 1, 2014 1:22:19 GMT -5
Wrapped In Red, Underneath the Tree, and Winter Dreams is my trinity
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 1, 2014 4:23:06 GMT -5
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! This year should be quite exciting! New releases of masterpieces and the baby! :')
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 4:49:44 GMT -5
Hopefully her feet dont become as fat as Mimi's during her ordeal of a pregnancy babies are cute once they pop out but the morning sickness, fat feet, urine and swollen throat is not my cup of tea, I personally rather adopt. I think she should call her child Skylar or Dane its cute white ppl names that i cant use myself. How do we feel this baby will affect her career? Does she want to raise her babies and new husband somewhere in the country and kinda drift away from the public eye? Does the painful pregnancy inspire new music? Does anyone else agree she should move away from mainstream pop and do soulful Nashville country music I eagerly await some intelligent answers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 6:43:15 GMT -5
OMG, just when we thought it couldn't get worse than bad knees. Now we gotta look out for her feet!
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 1, 2014 6:56:28 GMT -5
I'd like to see Kelly get inspired by Beyonss and get a lil WGB-ratchet. Like something that Pulse and van leasers would never label R&B because she's a white mom but really is. *jamz*
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 1, 2014 11:34:34 GMT -5
Hopefully her feet dont become as fat as Mimi's during her ordeal of a pregnancy babies are cute once they pop out but the morning sickness, fat feet, urine and swollen throat is not my cup of tea, I personally rather adopt. I think she should call her child Skylar or Dane its cute white ppl names that i cant use myself. How do we feel this baby will affect her career? Does she want to raise her babies and new husband somewhere in the country and kinda drift away from the public eye? Does the painful pregnancy inspire new music? Does anyone else agree she should move away from mainstream pop and do soulful Nashville country music I eagerly await some intelligent answers. ugh, as if the youtube comments weren't enough, people HERE (don't or do) want her to sing specific genres, wtf? it's Kelly Chameleon Clarkson! Here my intelligent answer: The queen shall and will continue doing what she always has been doing. I think she made it clear and makes it obvious that she loves and rocks every effing genre! I love her for being versatile, because, just like her, I love all kinds of music. In case you're in a certain mood or want to listen to a specific genre by her, well, then an own playlist with the few same-genre-songs from each album and you have a full one-genre-Kelly-album! That's what I love about her - She simly CAN'T get boring, 'cuz she'd always have enough songs of each genre to satisfy my need for certain music I wanna listen to [to be exact... she has endlessly many songs! Beside official releases (including bonus, deluxe tracks, EPs etc.), we have so many demos, unreleased stuff and all possible covers on Youtube... I don't get how that's not enough and yeah the pregnancy stuff... I'm 100% sure there will be a song about vomitting called "Dozen Times A Day"
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 1, 2014 13:18:29 GMT -5
I see Kelly basically doing the same thing she's doing now post pregnancy, release albums that her fans are obsessed with, sell moderately well, and have 1-2 chart hits released. I do think shell tour far less though.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jan 1, 2014 17:12:15 GMT -5
I see her promoting less, I'm not sure about her touring less since that seems to be her favorite part about the fame.
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