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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about it. I'm listening to this youtube mashup of BL/GTGIU right now and I swear the arrangements are almost indistinguishable from each other, even with the different key settings. I know chord progressions can't be owned but damn, I have to strain to hear where BL finally diverges from GTGIU's line...when the song first came out I know there were some old r&b heads who picked up on the similarities right away and/or even assumed that the song must have been legally sampled. I won't definitively say that I think BL infringes upon GTGIU, but I will say that I wouldn't be surprised if I looked at the sheet music for both songs and saw a similar enough pattern to justify the Gayes' case. With that said, I feel like the ruling and the award had less to do with the music itself than it should have and that is what makes this ruling murky. Robin and Pharrell lost mainly because their attitudes sucked. They literally said themselves that BL was inspired by GTGIU - not just Marvin in general but *that* specific song - then tried to renege on that statement. Pharrell tried to pretend he doesn't know how to read music while at the same time making it obvious he knows something about reading music when he argued that the songs couldn't possibly be the same b/c they're in different keys. Meanwhile, Robin for some reason thought it was a good idea to throw himself under the bus by claiming that his was only a vanity writing credit, and that Pharrell is the one who came up with most of the song. I would have understood his defense more if he was saying that Pharrell did the arrangement and he only wrote the lyrics (the melodies aren't the same at all), but I suppose Robin was too coked out to think that through. On the other hand, I suspect the Gaye family's greed might have actually prevented them from getting even more money than they might have. I could be wrong, but normally when someone successfully sues over copyright infringement, and especially when it involves a big hit like BL was, they get damages, future royalties, and their name attached to the credits. It doesn't look like the family got any royalties or a writing credit for Marvin as part of their reward, and that's interesting. I believe trying to tack "Love After War"/"After the Dance" onto the suit was a giveaway that they were just being greedy. LAW/ATD have fairly strong similarities too, but LAW was such a flop that damages were negligible. Plus that album was three (now four) years old. Why are you going through Robin's catalog looking for s**t to sue over? They're probably at home right now listening to The Evolution of Robin Thicke and trying to figure out what Marvin song "Lost Without You" sounds like. Also keep in mind that this was a jury, not a judge, that reached this conclusion. Juries don't determine the law; they only determine the facts, then apply the law to those facts. If this does open the floodgate for more lawsuits I don't think it points to a flaw in the law as it stands, so much as it does to the flaw in letting your average person off the street make decisions that are probably better off left to experts. That's kind of a pitfall to any trial involving something technical, though. Even if you bring in expert witnesses they have to 'dumb' things down to make sure the jury understands them. That jury was told not to pay attention to the sound of the songs, but I bet you they went into that jury room thinking, 'man, those songs really do sound alike.' Robin and Pharrell should have requested a bench trial. I think the main precedent we should be getting from this is that if you're going to do an homage or be 'inspired by' someone, you either better make some phone calls first or just keep your mouth shut and leave it to everyone else's ears to figure it out. If not that, do like what most people in the industry do and quietly settle that mess before letting it go to court and embarrassing you in public. Yeah. I really don't feel like Alicia Keys and Bruno Mars are about to have their bank accounts cleaned out because of retro influences in their music (although Alicia definitely has had cases she probably could have been sued over). The "Got To Give It Up" influence in "Blurred Lines" was always obvious to me (and they even admitted that's what they were trying to recreate), and Robin wouldn't have been sued over "Love After War" had it not been for "Blurred Lines".
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Mar 11, 2015 20:54:01 GMT -5
Johnnie Taylor's estate should now sue Marvin Gaye's estate for a piece of the action since "Got To Give It Up" was influenced by Taylor's "Disco Lady."
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Post by mamaloveme on Mar 11, 2015 23:58:11 GMT -5
Johnnie Taylor's estate should now sue Marvin Gaye's estate for a piece of the action since "Got To Give It Up" was influenced by Taylor's "Disco Lady." oh god pls happen :kii:
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 12, 2015 8:35:10 GMT -5
This quote also has me screaming:
Gyal.. chains?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Mar 12, 2015 9:07:09 GMT -5
She would use "chains".
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 12, 2015 9:23:27 GMT -5
She's satisfied.....for now.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 12, 2015 9:52:23 GMT -5
Ed Sheeran better hope Nona never hears Thinking Out Loud.
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Post by Mic Technique on Mar 12, 2015 20:47:22 GMT -5
Okay, Nona Gaye. The entire blues tradition should sue Marvin Gaye's estate.
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Post by Gary on Mar 13, 2015 8:22:04 GMT -5
"Ain't That Peculiar" vs "Happy" will be a bit tougher for the Gaye family. Marvin didn't write it.
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 13, 2015 13:36:41 GMT -5
"Happy"? As Cynthia mentioned, are they literally roaming through discographies, searching for potential lawsuits at this point? This is looking more and more pathetic and less and less justifiable with every statement someone from that family makes. I get defending Gaye & his legacy, but this is embarrassing for them way more than it is for Pharrell.
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Post by Rurry on Mar 14, 2015 2:16:15 GMT -5
Look I don't know what this says about the music industry, but I am glad someone is finally being punished for that shitty song.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 15, 2015 18:03:37 GMT -5
Are they trying to appeal this?
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 15, 2015 18:57:02 GMT -5
Are they trying to appeal this? I believe so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 22:24:39 GMT -5
In other news the divine singer of "We Belong Together" sues Thicke and Williams for surpassing her radio record with this thievery.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 18, 2015 14:42:25 GMT -5
In other news the divine singer of "We Belong Together" sues Thicke and Williams for surpassing her radio record with this thievery.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 19:25:40 GMT -5
Marvin Gaye’s Estate Is Now After T.I., UMG And Interscope Also
Marvin Gaye’s estate has been on a legal frenzy lately, and they are not stopping anytime soon. After cashing a hefty $7.4 million dollars for suing Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams for infringement rights on their “Blurred Lines” track, now they want to include T.I., UMG and Interscope in the mix. The Hollywood Reporter states that on Tuesday night (Mar. 17), the family filed new lawsuits to include the latter. Richard Busch, the Gaye’s family attorney, is cemented on the belief that there is no separation between those who distributed the song and those who created it. Meaning that the label could be held responsible as well. Reports have surfaced stating that since the ruling was announced Pharrell and Robin have plans of appealing the case. Not to mention the family’s recent sentiments on Pharrell’s “Happy” also sounding a bit too similar to Gaye’s “Ain’t That Peculiar.” Further details of this ongoing feud are still pending. www.vibe.com/2015/03/marvin-gayes-estate-is-now-after-ti-and-record-labels
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Post by mrossp24 on Mar 18, 2015 19:42:16 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous. If that family knew how they looked right now...
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 18, 2015 22:01:35 GMT -5
Nona Gaye is so thirsty right now. It looked like she had a promising career ahead of her.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Mar 19, 2015 9:34:16 GMT -5
Nona Gaye is so thirsty right now. It looked like she had a promising career ahead of her. Should've just stuck to acting.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 19, 2015 9:42:41 GMT -5
Marvin Gaye’s Estate Is Now After T.I., UMG And Interscope Also
Marvin Gaye’s estate has been on a legal frenzy lately, and they are not stopping anytime soon. After cashing a hefty $7.4 million dollars for suing Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams for infringement rights on their “Blurred Lines” track, now they want to include T.I., UMG and Interscope in the mix. The Hollywood Reporter states that on Tuesday night (Mar. 17), the family filed new lawsuits to include the latter. Richard Busch, the Gaye’s family attorney, is cemented on the belief that there is no separation between those who distributed the song and those who created it. Meaning that the label could be held responsible as well. Reports have surfaced stating that since the ruling was announced Pharrell and Robin have plans of appealing the case. Not to mention the family’s recent sentiments on Pharrell’s “Happy” also sounding a bit too similar to Gaye’s “Ain’t That Peculiar.” Further details of this ongoing feud are still pending. www.vibe.com/2015/03/marvin-gayes-estate-is-now-after-ti-and-record-labels
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Mar 19, 2015 10:04:44 GMT -5
If they don't leave this shit alone! Leave Tip's ass alone for sure, they don't know he crazy!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 10:42:45 GMT -5
What I don't get is why they're JUST now thinking to include T.I., UMG, and Interscope in the lawsuit. They should have been included in the first place. T.I. probably would have been dismissed from the suit since he's just a featured artist who had nothing to do with the arrangement of the song, but the labels would have still been on the hook; the overall settlement would have been much huger and no one would have thought twice about it. Same with suing for royalties and a Marvin writing credit. Should have thought about all that the first time. Did they not just say they didn't want to see another courtroom for a while? But now all of a sudden they're thinking of all these other things that they want to go back for.
This whole 'oh, well now that we've won this let's just keep adding in people' makes it so obvious that they are short-term thinkers who only care about the money, and I'm shocked they have a lawyer that apparently is just as dim and short-term thinking as they are. I am starting to actually hope Pharrell and Robin's appeal is successful when I didn't feel that way before. They're so full of it.
Nona has/had mental issues so I'm going to cut her a moderate pass but someone needs to have several seats on her and her relatives' behalf.
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Post by Gary on Mar 19, 2015 12:37:40 GMT -5
I thought T.I. was included but not charged with damages because he did not write it?
Since the Gaye family won round 1, it seems like they want it all.
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Post by allow that on Mar 19, 2015 14:25:08 GMT -5
I'm shocked they have a lawyer that apparently is just as dim and short-term thinking as they are. He'll be cashing in Gaye checks win or lose though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 14:35:23 GMT -5
I'm shocked they have a lawyer that apparently is just as dim and short-term thinking as they are. He'll be cashing in Gaye checks win or lose though. Yeah, I'm assuming they have an attorney or firm that uses the billable hour, but the check could have been even bigger for everyone involved if they'd thought to include UMG/Interscope. That should have been the first entity they thought to include - of course a major label has deeper pockets than one-(pop)-hit wonder Robin.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Mar 19, 2015 14:38:47 GMT -5
It seems like they will try to sue anyone and everyone who made a song that even remotely resembles something Marvin had done back in the day. It's so sad.
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Post by Libra on Mar 19, 2015 16:57:37 GMT -5
This whole 'oh, well now that we've won this let's just keep adding in people' makes it so obvious that they are short-term thinkers who only care about the money
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Marvin Gaye children ask judge to bar sales, performance of 'Blurred Lines'
Attorneys for the family of late musician Marvin Gaye have asked a federal judge to block the sale, distribution and performance of the hit 2013 song “Blurred Lines,” after last week’s jury verdict that the tune infringed on Gaye’s 1977 chart-topper “Got to Give It Up.” Jurors awarded three of Gaye’s children, who inherited rights to the Gaye song, nearly $7.4 million of profits previously generated by “Blurred Lines,” which was 2013’s biggest single and earned more than $5 million each for singer Robin Thicke, producer Pharrell Williams and the record companies. The jury found that rapper T.I. and record labels Interscope and Star Trak were not liable for the infringement. In a request for a permanent injunction filed late Tuesday, Gaye family attorneys contended that the copyright infringement of the soul singer’s work was continuing with each sale of the song. Thicke and Williams “are being unjustly enriched (and the Gayes irreparably harmed) each day that ‘Blurred Lines’ is being sold,” attorneys wrote. Attorneys said they weren’t seeking to make the song entirely unavailable, but said they needed the court order to start negotiations regarding the sharing of future profits from “Blurred Lines.” Lawyer Howard King, who represented Thicke, Williams, T.I. and the record companies, has said he doesn’t believe an injunction should be granted because the companies that own the recording and distribute the song were vindicated by the jury of any infringement. “Some creative gymnastics will be required to justify any injunction against the owner and distributor of the song recording after they have been adjudicated not to be infringers,” he wrote in a guest column for The Hollywood Reporter last week, calling the case “not finished by any stretch of the imagination.” Gaye family attorneys contended in papers that the record labels were profiting from infringing work, and that without the musical composition “all Interscope would be distributing is a picture of Robin Thicke and a CD containing silence.” They also filed a motion Tuesday asking the judge to correct the verdict to also hold T.I. and the record companies liable, saying that as a matter of law everyone involved in the creation and distribution of the song should be responsible even if they weren’t directly involved in the copying. The closely watched trial in downtown Los Angeles, which featured colorful testimony by Thicke and Williams and a rare look at the inner workings of the music industry, sparked renewed interest in the song. "Blurred Lines" sold 6,000 digital tracks in the first week of trial and was streamed online nearly 2 million times during the same week. www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-blurred-lines-injunction-20150318-story.html
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 21, 2015 16:46:12 GMT -5
If Nona's thirsty ass don't sit down! She's up there acting like Robin and Pharrell are the ones who murdered Marvin. Girl just stop.
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