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Post by propanda on Nov 18, 2017 14:05:00 GMT -5
@snoopdawg (how do you tag people)
i understand this might be too much so you don't have to answer
but what would 200-300 look like?
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 18, 2017 14:53:24 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me why this song Look At Me! is the single most talked about song all year in this thread? A barely top 40 peaking song by a barely up-and-coming rapper largely unknown? Maybe it's just a couple people who keep bringing it up and dominating the discussion about it or something, but it seems that we need to change the title of this thread to "Will Look At Me! make the 2017 Year-End Hot 100?" If you listen to it, it doesn’t sound like any other top 40 hit this year or ever. X’s style of distorted bass, occasional screaming and vulgar immature lyrics were very hit or miss among a lot of people. XXXTENTACION had huge internet fan base at the beginning of the year which helped popularize the entire SoundCloud rap scenes and he quickly turned into a popular meme. Plus XXXTENTACION is a s**t human being who beat up his girlfriend, so people want to see him miss. I hate the guy but I think the song deserves to make the year end because XXXTENTACION was one of the most talked about and year defining artists of 2017 Um, I'm sorry. But outside of this forum and r/hiphopheads X didn't make any real impact, pop music wasn't influenced this year by him, he doesn't have any big hits, and I haven't seen any big discussion about him aside from his domestic abuse allegations. He's not a defining artist of 2017, maybe to niche hip-hop but not to the charts and the general public. Ask any random person on the street if they know him and they'll say "who tf is that?" A defining artist of 2017 would be Ed Sheeran, Migos, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, people with actual hits and impact. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Nov 18, 2017 15:01:41 GMT -5
If you listen to it, it doesn’t sound like any other top 40 hit this year or ever. X’s style of distorted bass, occasional screaming and vulgar immature lyrics were very hit or miss among a lot of people. XXXTENTACION had huge internet fan base at the beginning of the year which helped popularize the entire SoundCloud rap scenes and he quickly turned into a popular meme. Plus XXXTENTACION is a s**t human being who beat up his girlfriend, so people want to see him miss. I hate the guy but I think the song deserves to make the year end because XXXTENTACION was one of the most talked about and year defining artists of 2017 Um, I'm sorry. But outside of this forum and r/hiphopheads X didn't make any real impact, pop music wasn't influenced this year by him, he doesn't have any big hits, and I haven't seen any big discussion about him aside from his domestic abuse allegations. He's not a defining artist of 2017, maybe to niche hip-hop but not to the charts and the general public. Ask any random person on the street if they know him and they'll say "who tf is that?" A defining artist of 2017 would be Ed Sheeran, Migos, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, people with actual hits and impact. Eh, I've definitely seen big discussions surrounding him that doesn't have to do with his domestic abuse allegations, at least in the hip hop community. I've seen plenty of people discussing about his XXL cypher performance in positive and negative (though in my circles, mostly negative) ways, plus there was that "Look at Me!" video (which is essentially just a video for his other song "Riot") that sparked discussion for its controversial content. But yeah, I do agree that the general public doesn't really care about XXXTentacion. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 18, 2017 15:14:08 GMT -5
Um, I'm sorry. But outside of this forum and r/hiphopheads X didn't make any real impact, pop music wasn't influenced this year by him, he doesn't have any big hits, and I haven't seen any big discussion about him aside from his domestic abuse allegations. He's not a defining artist of 2017, maybe to niche hip-hop but not to the charts and the general public. Ask any random person on the street if they know him and they'll say "who tf is that?" A defining artist of 2017 would be Ed Sheeran, Migos, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, people with actual hits and impact. Eh, I've definitely seen big discussions surrounding him that doesn't have to do with his domestic abuse allegations, at least in the hip hop community. I've seen plenty of people discussing about his XXL cypher performance in positive and negative (though in my circles, mostly negative) ways, plus there was that "Look at Me!" video (which is essentially just a video for his other song "Riot") that sparked discussion for its controversial content. But yeah, I do agree that the general public doesn't really care about XXXTentacion. My point is that he's not really a defining artist of 2017. |
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Post by rainie on Nov 18, 2017 16:17:54 GMT -5
Eh, I've definitely seen big discussions surrounding him that doesn't have to do with his domestic abuse allegations, at least in the hip hop community. I've seen plenty of people discussing about his XXL cypher performance in positive and negative (though in my circles, mostly negative) ways, plus there was that "Look at Me!" video (which is essentially just a video for his other song "Riot") that sparked discussion for its controversial content. But yeah, I do agree that the general public doesn't really care about XXXTentacion. My point is that he's not really a defining artist of 2017. He's still way more well known among younger people then half of the other artists with a song on the year end imo. Plus the "_____ but XXXTentacion produced it was a fairly popular meme." |
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Nov 18, 2017 16:21:40 GMT -5
If you listen to it, it doesn’t sound like any other top 40 hit this year or ever. X’s style of distorted bass, occasional screaming and vulgar immature lyrics were very hit or miss among a lot of people. XXXTENTACION had huge internet fan base at the beginning of the year which helped popularize the entire SoundCloud rap scenes and he quickly turned into a popular meme. Plus XXXTENTACION is a s**t human being who beat up his girlfriend, so people want to see him miss. I hate the guy but I think the song deserves to make the year end because XXXTENTACION was one of the most talked about and year defining artists of 2017 Um, I'm sorry. But outside of this forum and r/hiphopheads X didn't make any real impact, pop music wasn't influenced this year by him, he doesn't have any big hits, and I haven't seen any big discussion about him aside from his domestic abuse allegations. He's not a defining artist of 2017, maybe to niche hip-hop but not to the charts and the general public. Ask any random person on the street if they know him and they'll say "who tf is that?" A defining artist of 2017 would be Ed Sheeran, Migos, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, people with actual hits and impact. Ah, well, you see; he was very influential and defining for this year, even if it was a rather... minor detail; SoundCloud. We can confidently say that he was one of the main popularizers of it. And, even if himself he didn't have that much chart success, a certain SoundCloud rapper has one of the biggest songs currently; not only in the US, but around the globe; Lil Pump with Gucci Gang. Who knows how many people off of SoundCloud will become huge stars, even if only for a brief moment, and have hits, or rather, a hit? Now, SoundCloud was kinda popular before X, and it will still be big without him. But he was the one to open the floodgates for a new wave, a new age of SoundCloud rappers. For his dark sound and overall being emo, X surely reminds the likes of Lil Uzi Vert, someone with a #1 album or Kodak, a person with a #3 peaking album. Maybe not THE defining figure of 2017 in music, but surely A defining figure of 2017 in music. |
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Post by willapted33 on Nov 18, 2017 16:23:56 GMT -5
Eh, I've definitely seen big discussions surrounding him that doesn't have to do with his domestic abuse allegations, at least in the hip hop community. I've seen plenty of people discussing about his XXL cypher performance in positive and negative (though in my circles, mostly negative) ways, plus there was that "Look at Me!" video (which is essentially just a video for his other song "Riot") that sparked discussion for its controversial content. But yeah, I do agree that the general public doesn't really care about XXXTentacion. My point is that he's not really a defining artist of 2017. In 2017 more than ever, you don't need radio or Hot 100 success to be influential or popular as streaming is the number 1 music market, and X gets exceptional streaming. |
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Post by mako on Nov 18, 2017 19:57:15 GMT -5
Hmmmm... Did I start another X riot? Hope not.
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Post by fhas on Nov 19, 2017 14:03:09 GMT -5
LAST WEEK'S ESTIMATED REAL POINTS - Billboard Hot 100 TOP 10 - November 25th 2017
Formula: sales/7.2 + airplay/8400 + on-demand streams/1500 + YouTube streams/1500 + programmed streams/3000 | # | Song | Points | Sales | Airplay | On-Demand | YouTube | Programmed | Total Streams | +/- (%) | | 1 | rockstar | 41,700 | 47.0k | 74.0m | 26.8m | 8.7m | 8.0m | 43.6m | -0.8 | | 2 | Havana | 37,400 | 57.0k | 75.0m | 12.6m | 16.0m | 4.1m | 32.9m | +9.4 | | 3 | Bodak Yellow | 33,200 | 27.8k | 64.4m | 11.4m | 18.0m | 6.0m | 35.5m | -0.4 | | 4 | Too Good At Goodbyes | 31,400 | 47.0k | 70.0m | 14.7m | 7.7m | 4.7m | 27.2m | +32.6 | | 5 | Thunder | 30,000 | 57.5k | 106.7m | 6.4m | 5.8m | 3.5m | 15.7m | +8.1 | | 6 | 1-800-273-8255 | 28,200 | 19.6k | 81.4m | 11.6m | 9.1m | 5.6m | 26.4m | -4.5 | | 7 | Feel It Still | 26,100 | 33.0k | 118.0m | 6.7m | 2.4m | 4.0m | 13.1m | -5.2 | | 8 | Perfect | 25,100 | 63.6k | 60.9m | 6.8m | 6.2m | 0.8m | 13.9m | +11.1 | | 9 | What Lovers Do | 24,700 | 45.3k | 79.0m | 9.4m | 1.6m | 4.9m | 16.0m | +22.1 | | 10 | Mi Gente | 24,500 | 22.7k | 64.4m | 7.4m | 10.6m | 5.0m | 23.0m | +2.9 |
Sources: Hot 100's article Billboard Chart Beat HDD's Streaming Songs Chart (On-Demand) HDD's Revenue Chart Kworb's Overall AI YouTube Insights Pandora Top Spins Chart @chartdata (Twitter)
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Post by brady47 on Nov 19, 2017 14:15:10 GMT -5
I'm pleasantly surprised by Praying (#22 peak, 69 YE) being higher than Chained to the Rhythm (#4 peak, 75 YE), and Slow Hands (#11 peak, 36 YE) being a bigger hit than Look What You Made Me Do (#1 peak, 40 YE).
Shows the importance of longevity instead of a big peak.
And how amazing would it be if "Say You Won't Let Go" made #10 on year-end with a #11 peak?
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Post by greentoo on Nov 19, 2017 16:29:40 GMT -5
I hope Say You Wont Let Go ends up at #11 on the Year End. Then it’s peak will be the same as it’s year end position. That’s pretty rare. Didn’t it also happen with Ed Sheeran Thinking Out Loud peaking at 2 on Hot 100 and 2 on year end?
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Post by CF15 on Nov 19, 2017 16:37:29 GMT -5
I hope Say You Wont Let Go ends up at #11 on the Year End. Then it’s peak will be the same as it’s year end position. That’s pretty rare. Didn’t it also happen with Ed Sheeran Thinking Out Loud peaking at 2 on Hot 100 and 2 on year end? Actually, it is quite common for a year-end #1 to have peaked at #1.  |
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Post by greentoo on Nov 19, 2017 16:40:27 GMT -5
I hope Say You Wont Let Go ends up at #11 on the Year End. Then it’s peak will be the same as it’s year end position. That’s pretty rare. Didn’t it also happen with Ed Sheeran Thinking Out Loud peaking at 2 on Hot 100 and 2 on year end? Actually, it is quite common for a year-end #1 to have peaked at #1. Oh yeah! I can’t believe I forgot that. Basically any song apart from number 1 peaks. |
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Post by CF15 on Nov 19, 2017 16:43:26 GMT -5
Actually, it is quite common for a year-end #1 to have peaked at #1. Oh yeah! I can’t believe I forgot that. Basically any song apart from number 1 peaks. Haha, yeah. From recent memory, I think "Thinking Out Loud", "Radioactive", "Hey, Soul Sister", and "Need You Now" did it. I wish "Believer" could do it this year, but it does not look like that will happen. |
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Post by greentoo on Nov 19, 2017 16:44:52 GMT -5
Has there ever been a song that peaked below its year end postition?
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Post by brady47 on Nov 19, 2017 16:48:19 GMT -5
I hope Say You Wont Let Go ends up at #11 on the Year End. Then it’s peak will be the same as it’s year end position. That’s pretty rare. Didn’t it also happen with Ed Sheeran Thinking Out Loud peaking at 2 on Hot 100 and 2 on year end? Yeah, I think it's rarer for positions outside of the top 5. Need You Now (#2), Radioactive (#3), and countless #1s have had the same peak and year-end peak. |
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Post by CF15 on Nov 19, 2017 16:48:31 GMT -5
Has there ever been a song that peaked below its year end postition? From what I remember: "This Love", "If I Ain't Got You", "Drops of Jupiter (Tell Me)", and "Before He Cheats". All of these were in the 2000's decade. |
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Post by brady47 on Nov 19, 2017 16:51:40 GMT -5
Has there ever been a song that peaked below its year end postition? Yes, a few times. There are some year end #1s that have peaked at #2 such as Lifehouse's "Hanging By a Moment" and Faith Hill's "Breathe". Other examples: "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood (#8 peak, #6 YE), "If I Ain't Got You" by Alicia Keys (#4 peak, #3 YE), and "This Love" by Maroon 5 (#5 peak, #4 YE) and Paula Cole's "I Don't Want to Wait" (#11 peak, #10 YE). Edit: chartfanatic15 beat me to it. |
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Post by CF15 on Nov 19, 2017 16:54:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot about the ones that were #1 on the year-end chart without peaking at #1. Those are good examples, too.
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Post by fhas on Nov 19, 2017 17:29:43 GMT -5
2017 Chart Year - Number Ones
Estimated weekly real points for the #1 songs of the year (Dec. 3, 2016-Nov. 25, 2017) Formulas (used by simmnfierzig during the year): Pre-Pandora (Dec. 3, 2016-Feb. 4, 2017): sales/10 + airplay/10,500 + streams/1,200 Post-Pandora (Feb. 11, 2017-Nov. 25, 2017): sales/7.5 + airplay/9,000 + streams/1,600 Ajusted Points: For "Pre-Pandora" weeks I used a multiplier (1.2112) to adjust for the fact that in 2017 the average #1 "Post-Pandora" had 21.12% more points than the average #1 "Pre-Pandora". | Date | Song | Week at #1 | Real Points | Adjusted Points | Rank (Using Adjusted Points) | | Dec. 3, 2016 | Black Beatles | 2nd | 64,400 | 78,000 | 3 | | Dec. 10, 2016 | Black Beatles | 3rd | 65,900 | 79,800 | 2 | | Dec. 17, 2016 | Black Beatles | 4th | 50,300 | 60,900 | 21 | | Dec. 24, 2016 | Black Beatles | 5th | 47,000 | 56,900 | 27 | Dec. 31, 2016
| Black Beatles | 6th | 42,100 | 51,000 | 37 | | Jan. 7, 2017 | Starboy | 1st | 39,500 | 47,900 | 41 | | Jan. 14, 2017 | Black Beatles | 7th | 45,800 | 55,500 | 32 | | Jan. 21, 2017 | Bad And Boujee | 1st | 38,900 | 47,100 | 42 | | Jan. 28, 2017 | Shape Of You | 1st | 46,100 | 55,800 | 31 | | Feb. 4, 2017 | Bad And Boujee | 2nd | 46,500 | 56,400 | 29 | | Feb. 11, 2017 | Bad And Boujee | 3rd | 41,600 | 41,600 | 52 | | Feb. 18, 2017 | Shape Of You | 2nd | 48,000 | 48,000 | 40 | | Feb. 25, 2017 | Shape Of You | 3rd | 50,600 | 50,600 | 38 | | Mar. 4, 2017 | Shape Of You | 4th | 66,000 | 66,000 | 14 | | Mar. 11, 2017 | Shape Of You | 5th | 62,800 | 62,800 | 15 | | Mar. 18, 2017 | Shape Of You | 6th | 61,000 | 61,000 | 19 | | Mar. 25, 2017 | Shape Of You | 7th | 71,300 | 71,300 | 10 | | Apr. 1, 2017 | Shape Of You | 8th | 62,100 | 62,100 | 17 | | Apr. 8, 2017 | Shape Of You | 9th | 60,900 | 60,900 | 20 | | Apr. 15, 2017 | Shape Of You | 10th | 59,400 | 59,400 | 24 | | Apr. 22, 2017 | Shape Of You | 11th | 57,200 | 57,200 | 26 | | Apr. 29, 2017 | Shape Of You | 12th | 55,300 | 55,300 | 33 | | May 6, 2017 | HUMBLE. | 1st | 56,200 | 56,200 | 30 | | May 13, 2017 | That's What I Like | 1st | 53,400 | 53,400 | 35 | | May 20, 2017 | I'm The One | 1st | 60,400 | 60,400 | 23 | | May 27, 2017 | Despacito | 1st | 54,100 | 54,100 | 34 | | Jun. 3, 2017 | Despacito | 2nd | 60,500 | 60,500 | 22 | | Jun. 10, 2017 | Despacito | 3rd | 68,900 | 68,900 | 12 | | Jun. 17, 2017 | Despacito | 4th | 74,500 | 74,500 | 6 | | Jun. 24, 2017 | Despacito | 5th | 73,900 | 73,900 | 7 | | Jul. 1, 2017 | Despacito | 6th | 75,900 | 75,900 | 4 | | Jul. 8, 2017 | Despacito | 7th | 75,000 | 75,000 | 5 | | Jul. 15, 2017 | Despacito | 8th | 73,100 | 73,100 | 8 | | Jul. 22, 2017 | Despacito | 9th | 72,000 | 72,000 | 9 | | Jul. 29, 2017 | Despacito | 10th | 70,300 | 70,300 | 11 | | Aug. 5, 2017 | Despacito | 11th | 67,800 | 67,800 | 13 | | Aug. 12, 2017 | Despacito | 12th | 62,400 | 62,400 | 16 | | Aug. 19, 2017 | Despacito | 13th | 58,000 | 58,000 | 25 | | Aug. 26, 2017 | Despacito | 14th | 56,800 | 56,800 | 28 | | Sep. 2, 2017 | Despacito | 15th | 53,400 | 53,400 | 36 | | Sep. 9, 2017 | Despacito | 16th | 50,200 | 50,200 | 39 | | Sep. 16, 2017 | Look What You Made Me Do | 1st | 106,900 | 106,900 | 1 | | Sep. 23, 2017 | Look What You Made Me Do | 2nd | 61,500 | 61,500 | 18 | | Sep. 30, 2017 | Look What You Made Me Do | 3rd | 42,500 | 42,500 | 48 | | Oct. 7, 2017 | Bodak Yellow | 1st | 43,400 | 43,400 | 47 | | Oct. 14, 2017 | Bodak Yellow | 2nd | 45,000 | 45,000 | 45 | | Oct. 21, 2017 | Bodak Yellow | 3rd | 43,800 | 43,800 | 46 | | Oct. 28, 2017 | rockstar | 1st | 42,400 | 42,400 | 49 | | Nov. 4, 2017 | rockstar | 2nd | 46,500 | 46,500 | 43 | | Nov. 11, 2017 | rockstar | 3rd | 46,300 | 46,300 | 44 | | Nov. 18, 2017 | rockstar | 4th | 42,000 | 42,000 | 50 | | Nov. 25, 2017 | rockstar | 5th | 41,700 | 41,700 | 51 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:43:20 GMT -5
And how amazing would it be if "Say You Won't Let Go" made #10 on year-end with a #11 peak? Imo it's more of a year end top 10 than Congratulations but maybe it's the lack of urban hits we had this decade |
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Post by boysilver400 on Nov 19, 2017 17:56:03 GMT -5
This year was better then last year in terms of ones, even if the only 3 good ones(Starboy, HUMBLE., and TWIL) only lasted 1 week.
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Post by fhas on Nov 19, 2017 18:02:13 GMT -5
This year was better then last year in terms of ones, even if the only 3 good ones(Starboy, HUMBLE., and TWIL) only lasted 1 week. Last year was better, imo. Starboy and HUMBLE. are great, TWIL is pretty good but I think it's slightly worse than rockstar. This year had more good/great #1s than last year, but my two favorite songs of the year (Closer + One Dance) combined for 22 weeks at #1 in 2016. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 19:03:25 GMT -5
To think that LWYMMD fell from the biggest #1 in the year to the 5th weakest one in 3 weeks. This song keeps suprising me
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Post by truemusicreviews on Nov 19, 2017 23:19:41 GMT -5
Quick question: when does the actual year-end list come out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 23:21:30 GMT -5
Quick question: when does the actual year-end list come out? December 8 I think. |
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Post by prosandcons on Nov 20, 2017 0:48:42 GMT -5
To snoopdawg:
You’ve got The Fighter with 23 weeks. It charted 22 weeks this billboard year with 1 week in 2016 billboard year. Does that effect your calculations and put it out of the top 100 or did you only calculate 22 weeks and put 23?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 5:59:18 GMT -5
To snoopdawg: You’ve got The Fighter with 23 weeks. It charted 22 weeks this billboard year with 1 week in 2016 billboard year. Does that effect your calculations and put it out of the top 100 or did you only calculate 22 weeks and put 23? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 8:52:31 GMT -5
To snoopdawg: You’ve got The Fighter with 23 weeks. It charted 22 weeks this billboard year with 1 week in 2016 billboard year. Does that effect your calculations and put it out of the top 100 or did you only calculate 22 weeks and put 23? It doesn't actually, it's points on the list don't count that 2016 week, i just forgot to put an asterisk on it |
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Post by djkhaled on Nov 20, 2017 15:48:50 GMT -5
If you listen to it, it doesn’t sound like any other top 40 hit this year or ever. X’s style of distorted bass, occasional screaming and vulgar immature lyrics were very hit or miss among a lot of people. XXXTENTACION had huge internet fan base at the beginning of the year which helped popularize the entire SoundCloud rap scenes and he quickly turned into a popular meme. Plus XXXTENTACION is a s**t human being who beat up his girlfriend, so people want to see him miss. I hate the guy but I think the song deserves to make the year end because XXXTENTACION was one of the most talked about and year defining artists of 2017 Um, I'm sorry. But outside of this forum and r/hiphopheads X didn't make any real impact, pop music wasn't influenced this year by him, he doesn't have any big hits, and I haven't seen any big discussion about him aside from his domestic abuse allegations. He's not a defining artist of 2017, maybe to niche hip-hop but not to the charts and the general public. Ask any random person on the street if they know him and they'll say "who tf is that?" A defining artist of 2017 would be Ed Sheeran, Migos, Kendrick Lamar, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, people with actual hits and impact. How is #2 album in country no impact? |
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