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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 12, 2013 8:21:03 GMT -5
I think labels can request to not have releases of their choice not chart. I think something like that happened with Tha Carter III where the label requested that it wouldn't be put on the charts when it sold a decent amount through street date violations so it could debut at #1 next week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 8:22:08 GMT -5
Madonna is the 80's legend and GOD Mariah is the 90's legend but there really isnt a legend for the last 13 yrs and thats sad. Elvis was a legend in the 50's, The Beatles were legends in the 60's. There really wasn't any one legend in the 70's, but there were some obvious superstars. And Madonna shared the 80's with Michael Jackson. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 8:27:38 GMT -5
wow at people seething at rihanns reign using excuses of different caliber of artist or different chart time...well the chart evolves im sure the tactics mariah worked to get her #1s wasnt exactly the same as the beatles and its about the charts representing a snapshot in time anyways. the anger and frustrarion is real for rihanna. wonders what will happen with er 14th #1 with her shakira feature or her possible 15 and sweet 16 #1s with her first two singles off of her summer 2014 album. lol. You Rihanna fans should have learned by now not to count your #1's before they hatch. ;) |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 12, 2013 9:01:58 GMT -5
Madonna is the 80's legend and GOD Mariah is the 90's legend but there really isnt a legend for the last 13 yrs and thats sad. Elvis was a legend in the 50's, The Beatles were legends in the 60's. There really wasn't any one legend in the 70's, but there were some obvious superstars. And Madonna shared the 80's with Michael Jackson. And the 90s and 00s have no legends because it's too soon. Thus my point earlier about how recent chart success seems less impressive compared to the classics and legends and that's why we look for loopholes and reasons to discount them. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 12, 2013 9:22:55 GMT -5
Some throw out the word "legend" as a result of chart success, but it's about a lot more than that. Rihanna already is a chart "legend," I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 9:31:58 GMT -5
The words like "legend", "superstar" and any other term is just a matter of opinion.
Rihanna could be a "legend" to one person but mean nothing to another
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 12, 2013 9:39:26 GMT -5
They're all buzzwords with no real criteria or meaning.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 12, 2013 9:54:32 GMT -5
Can't wait for her to get 13 solo #1s so these grown ass men can stop crying like little girls  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 9:57:44 GMT -5
Radioactive is a non mover at 25
Sail falls from 32 to 35
Radioactive has 10 weeks to break the record
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 12, 2013 9:59:04 GMT -5
strange about alex and sierra. you think x factor would want to show up on the hot 100, since the US edition needs the popularity.
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Post by felipe on Dec 12, 2013 10:16:03 GMT -5
strange about alex and sierra. you think x factor would want to show up on the hot 100, since the US edition needs the popularity. Yeah, I don't think X factor would request for these songs not to chart. Just the opposite, I'm sure they'd be happy to have some acts charting on Billboard for popularity sake. It seems rather odd to me. |
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Post by bigfan101 on Dec 12, 2013 10:24:03 GMT -5
Anybody think Billboard made a mistake? They should have finished in the top 10 of digital songs and definitely at least charted in on the Hot 100.
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Post by allow that on Dec 12, 2013 10:39:33 GMT -5
There are probably several heading towards that direction, don't you think? Beyonce is definitely one of them that's on her way. um, there are a few: eminem, britney, justin timberlake, beyonce, jay z, kanye, alicia keys and pink. Let's not mention Justin without throwing in Usher's equally (probably more) impressive career too. |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 12, 2013 10:50:43 GMT -5
Anybody think Billboard made a mistake? They should have finished in the top 10 of digital songs and definitely at least charted in on the Hot 100. Maybe they gave the points to the original version! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 12, 2013 10:56:29 GMT -5
The answer is... X-Factor sales aren't reported to SoundScan (like American Idol)- why iTunes ranks them on the chart, then, who knows.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 12, 2013 11:05:56 GMT -5
The reason why they are ranked is because they are used as a voting multiplier. The #1 selling song from the show gets X Amount of extra votes added to their tally.
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Post by bigfan101 on Dec 12, 2013 11:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 12, 2013 11:50:43 GMT -5
I knew The Voice incorporates iTunes rankings into the voting process- so the X-Factor does, as well?
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Post by felipe on Dec 12, 2013 15:34:39 GMT -5
The answer is... X-Factor sales aren't reported to SoundScan (like American Idol)- why iTunes ranks them on the chart, then, who knows. Why aren't they reported? Shouldn't itunes report sales of all the songs? Should we assume this was the show producers choice (not to have their songs chart), which seems to me rather unlikely, os is it a condition imposed by the labels in order to authorize the covers? |
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Post by slw84 on Dec 12, 2013 16:19:41 GMT -5
They're all buzzwords with no real criteria or meaning. which means saying no legends exist in the 90s and 00s because it is too soon is a personal criterion. i have a hard time not calling mariah a legend or celine dion shania twain faith hill etc. i feel the time is right...just my personal opinion. but yes at the other poster i dont think theres a thin line between superstar and legend but i guess what some of us might deem legend some might just deem icon and legend in the making. |
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Post by WotUNeed on Dec 12, 2013 16:41:21 GMT -5
The answer is... X-Factor sales aren't reported to SoundScan (like American Idol)- why iTunes ranks them on the chart, then, who knows. Why aren't they reported? Shouldn't itunes report sales of all the songs? Should we assume this was the show producers choice (not to have their songs chart), which seems to me rather unlikely, os is it a condition imposed by the labels in order to authorize the covers? Outside parties wouldn't have any say in the decision to report sales, I don't think. There are only two reasons why the numbers would be withheld from SoundScan: 1) Somebody at iTunes made that decision. 2) Somebody with The X Factor made that decision. iTunes reports sales for plenty of its other exclusive tracks, so I don't see any incentive for them to not report these sales. I think it must be an X Factor decision. Why that decision was made I don't know, since anyone with iTunes can still see how the songs are performing relative to one another. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 12, 2013 17:04:18 GMT -5
Mariah's 13th #1 was "My All," a song on which she sings all of the lead vocal. She also co-wrote and co-produced the song. Does anyone view that as being on the same level as Rihanna's 13th #1, a song on which she only sings the chorus and that was written and formalized before she was even involved?
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Post by WotUNeed on Dec 12, 2013 17:09:59 GMT -5
Mariah's 13th #1 was "My All," a song on which she sings all of the lead vocal. She also co-wrote and co-produced the song. Does anyone view that as being on the same level as Rihanna's 13th #1, a song on which she only sings the chorus and that was written and formalized before she was even involved? Bolded the only part that I (and I would assume most people) check for when considering how many number one songs an artist has (well, "credited" more than involved), so yes, I would say the thirteen number ones are equally impressive for the few artists who have managed to reach that mark. It's not like many artists have a thirteenth Hot 100 number one in any form. |
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Post by slw84 on Dec 12, 2013 18:37:43 GMT -5
wow at people seething at rihanns reign using excuses of different caliber of artist or different chart time...well the chart evolves im sure the tactics mariah worked to get her #1s wasnt exactly the same as the beatles and its about the charts representing a snapshot in time anyways. the anger and frustrarion is real for rihanna. wonders what will happen with er 14th #1 with her shakira feature or her possible 15 and sweet 16 #1s with her first two singles off of her summer 2014 album. lol. You Rihanna fans should have learned by now not to count your #1's before they hatch. ;) Hmm...still stand by my prediction but ok. um, there are a few: eminem, britney, justin timberlake, beyonce, jay z, kanye, alicia keys and pink. Let's not mention Justin without throwing in Usher's equally (probably more) impressive career too. Forgot about Usher, JLO and Shakira |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 12, 2013 18:41:01 GMT -5
Who cares?
Is Timbaland's #1 with OneRepublic on the same level as Ringo Starr's 16th #1 with the Beatles? Is Jay-Z's contribution to Umbrella on the same level as Boyz II Men's contribution to One Sweet Day?
Pick any two songs and the level of perceived involvement will be different. If you're going to knit-pick at one song, we may as well start at the beginning. And there have been over 1,000 #1s in Hot 100 history.
Grab a chair and a really stiff drink and let's go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 19:21:34 GMT -5
Just one correction: Timberland never had a #1 with OneRepublic, not on the Hot 100 anyway.
Sorry. LOL
But I do get your point.
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Post by Lockheart on Dec 12, 2013 19:54:08 GMT -5
You Rihanna fans should have learned by now not to count your #1's before they hatch. ;) Hmm...still stand by my prediction but ok. Let's not mention Justin without throwing in Usher's equally (probably more) impressive career too. Forgot about Usher, JLO and Shakira Theres nothing impressive about JLo's career, neither her music or movie career lol. |
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Post by Lozzy on Dec 12, 2013 19:57:20 GMT -5
I think labels can request to not have releases of their choice not chart. That happens in Australia. Until recently it was usually just a couple singles here and there being denied for a week or two in hope for a higher debut (probably a 'tradition' continued from the physical days when labels had more control over the charts), but it's gotten a bit over the top lately with two tracks from One Direction that reached #2 on the Digital Tracks chart being denied from the main ARIA Singles Chart (they would have charted at #2 or at least within a few spots of that; the only real differences between the two lists are denied songs, combined versions and the main chart being a full top 100), and most notably Katy Perry's "Dark Horse", which has charted 37-6-5-11-9-8-8-10-6-7-12-11 on Digital (and is a top 10 airplay hit here too, well above "Unconditionally" on both counts) - a major chart run not allowed in official chart records because of label demands (or alternatively, ARIA giving labels the power to do so). I'd never known until now labels are allowed to do that in the US; I really hope it doesn't catch on. |
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Post by felipe on Dec 12, 2013 19:59:00 GMT -5
um, there are a few: eminem, britney, justin timberlake, beyonce, jay z, kanye, alicia keys and pink. Let's not mention Justin without throwing in Usher's equally (probably more) impressive career too. Usher has had a great number of hits it's true and yet I don't think people really care about him on a personal level. He was a coach on The Voice, for instance, and nobody really cared, if it had been Justin it'd be earth-shattering news, everyone talking about it, analyzing his every critique, etc. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 12, 2013 21:06:48 GMT -5
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