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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 20:02:19 GMT -5
^I'd be surprised if she doesn't do a Vegas residency some time in the near future-- not sure for how long, but maybe similar to Mariah's. One of the hotels would book her, right? I guess I have no idea where she stands anymore.
I still can't understand what happened with her last album and why she completely abandoned it. "Your Body" was and is one of my favorite songs from her, ever.
For someone who seems to think so highly of her own art, you'd think she'd want to make a lot more music than she does...
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Post by SHOOTER on Dec 26, 2016 23:47:58 GMT -5
^I'd be surprised if she doesn't do a Vegas residency some time in the near future-- not sure for how long, but maybe similar to Mariah's. One of the hotels would book her, right? I guess I have no idea where she stands anymore. I still can't understand what happened with her last album and why she completely abandoned it. "Your Body" was and is one of my favorite songs from her, ever. For someone who seems to think so highly of her own art, you'd think she'd want to make a lot more music than she does... I think RCA put pressure on her to make Lotus and capitalize on her Voice exposure but their insistence that she essentially make a straightforward Pop album turned her off towards promoting it. Not saying the album was the most commercially viable or 100% on-trend but you could tell even from the way she very carefully described finally working with Max Martin that the project was more about indulging the label in recording with more top-40 minded writers and producers vs. indulging her own natural instincts. That said, YB needs justice served because that is one of her best singles ever. Period. Idc idc idc!
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 28, 2016 11:33:38 GMT -5
I mean you can't say she didn't promote it, either, at least initially -- she did like 4 different Voice performances at the beginning of the era, plus AMAs, etc.
However, she paid YB dust performance-wise.
I'm not even sure she could do a Vegas residency though. Unfortunately I don't think she's enough of a draw.
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Post by divasummer on Dec 28, 2016 12:29:21 GMT -5
I mean you can't say she didn't promote it, either, at least initially -- she did like 4 different Voice performances at the beginning of the era, plus AMAs, etc. However, she paid YB dust performance-wise. I'm not even sure she could do a Vegas residency though. Unfortunately I don't think she's enough of a draw. It seemed like they thought "The Voice" was going to carry "Your Body" for her. I know they debuted part of the video on it but she should have debuted the single with a performance on there or the 1st second she could. I don't remember if talk shows were on hiatus at the time but I would think she could have gotten on any of them that airs on the same station as "The Voice". It shouldn't matter but she looked awful for a lot of that era. I don't think that helped things out either. She looked great in the video for "YB" but I believe "Ursula, Hatchet Face and Clowtina" were nicknames for her around this era. It seemed like she was trying to show everyone she loved her curves by wearing awful clothes and doing bad makeup on herself. The performances weren't all that great thinking back. Her duet with Cee Lo was pretty good but I believe she hit a huge sournote that made internet headlines. Plus her "wild/crazy" costume was not a hit. (try to hard) "Let There Be Love" could have been cute but it went by so fast, was to noisy if I remember correctly and she sang it with her team. "Just A Fool" was good and I don't know how hard they pushed it but they should have pushed it hardcore at HOT AC and then CHR. I thought with the hype from the show it may have taken off if they pushed it in our face even more. I'm an XTina fan I know it doesn't sound like I am. LoL. She's next in line with me after "Whitney, Donna Summer and MiMi".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 12:54:47 GMT -5
The trouble with being on "The Voice" is that simply being on the show won't help if the interest isn't there.
Christina is in a weird position because while people know she can sing, she's almost become a parody of herself due to the tendency to oversing and overdo it with the outfits and makeup and such.
"Lotus" was a weird era for her, because it was pretty clear from the start she didn't give a fuck about the album and it was nothing more than a label project that was put out because of "The Voice."
I do still like some tracks (Your Body, Let There Be Love, Lotus intro), but the mixing of the album is some of the worst I have ever heard. It sounds like it was recorded in a tin can. I honestly think the atrocious mixing job was even more proof that she was pressured into releasing Lotus; Back To Basics/Stripped Christina would have NEVER released such a thing.
I honestly think Christina could find some success with a refined approach, but I don't see her ditching glitz and over-the-top vocals for a more...humble approach, unfortunately.
A small acoustic "stripped down" approach to an album or tour would be incredible from her, but I don't see it happening.
I love this woman, but I feel like her approach to her success is primarily tied up in her ego, and therefore she continues to use the same approach with no return.
I think if she really wanted to she could adapt a more restrained sound and appeal to the same audience that ate up "Say Something, but she seems set in her ways at this point.
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Post by toomuchboy on Dec 28, 2016 14:16:39 GMT -5
I don't know, I personally think she's improved quite a lot performance-wise (and even appearance-wise) since SS got such rave reviews for her restrained vocals. The "I Have Nothing" Whitney hologram performance, her duet with Rascal Flatts at some country awards show, her songs on Nashville, the track on Finding Neverland tribute album, "Telepathy," and "Change" all featured a lot of restraint/control from her that wasn't present at all during Lotus. And she even seemed to have more control over the way she presented herself, which I think has a lot to do with her actually winning The Voice for once.
I wish she had tried harder during Lotus, although I know she was disinterested in the album and seemed to be in a negative place personally at the time, too. "Your Body" and "Just a Fool" should've been hits for sure; "LTBL," too, but less so than those two. Unfortunately, her age/weight was a factor considering YB and LTBL were sexual songs. That LTBL performance was sad because she was so out of breath and the fishnet stockings/knee-high boots just did not look good.
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Post by Caviar on Dec 28, 2016 22:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 29, 2016 11:21:47 GMT -5
Yeah, those Voice performances were awful. She looked terrible especially in the one with Cee Lo.
The question is... where does she go from here? She tried to do the whole "pop star" thing and it didn't work with Not Myself Tonight or Your Body. Should she keep doing poppy upbeat songs, or should she try and do more of a stripped-down type album? The question is, not to be mean, but whether people will care either way. She could probably have a career with ballads, but then again, You Lost Me flopped too, so idk.
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Post by koolthing on Dec 29, 2016 11:56:17 GMT -5
I don't think the problem was ever with whether people wanted pop or ballads from her.
During Stripped and Back to Basics she was so present and passionate, and she got people excited about those records – even if some of us were initially skeptical about the retro-jazz direction. And then it all just... stopped. All that came since has felt off, either playing catch-up with trends or satisfying a label-driven top 40 urge. She just couldn't convince audiences it came from her the way she did before.
Now she's in a tough spot because she's a decade past the last time she was truly exciting as a pop star, so she's practically starting from scratch. But I don't think it means she should give up the upbeat pop – it just means she needs to do it her way again. An '80s-tinged record with some modern R&B stylings (à la Mariah's "I'm That Chick") could work if executed right.
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Post by ItGirl on Dec 29, 2016 15:13:30 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that Xtina can't draw a crowd at a Vegas residency if done in the right venue. She must have made some wise investments and get paid nicely for her one offs here and there because she does not tour anything. Not even a string of shows here and there.
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 30, 2016 12:40:35 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that Xtina can't draw a crowd at a Vegas residency if done in the right venue. She must have made some wise investments and get paid nicely for her one offs here and there because she does not tour anything. Not even a string of shows here and there. She got paid very large amounts for private gigs and all those seasons of The Voice have earned her plenty of stacks. Unless she suddenly goes on a castle buying spree, she's fine. And that's the first I've heard of that (or any title I think) for her next album.
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 30, 2016 13:43:15 GMT -5
The problem with Christina is that even back in the Bionic days, she didn't tour b/c the sales were so bad. Bionic and Lotus both didn't have tours b/c she wasn't gonna sell out the crowds. She's definitely in a weird spot right now because now it's been so long, I'm not even sure who her audience is anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -5
This time last year they were saying the album was going to come out spring 2016. I understand that she is now a mother of two and her priorities are not the same as they were in 2006, but that hasn't stopped other artists before and the fact that it's been over four years, especially since she started recording in 2014, is unacceptable to me. I've been a huge fan since the very beginning. She lost me with Bionic but won me over again with Your Body. If the album doesn't come out in 2017 or if it's half assed, I'm seriously considering turning in my stan card.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 14:26:52 GMT -5
This time last year they were saying the album was going to come out spring 2016. I understand that she is now a mother of two and her priorities are not the same as they were in 2006, but that hasn't stopped other artists before and the fact that it's been over four years, especially since she started recording in 2014, is unacceptable to me. I've been a huge fan since the very beginning. She lost me with Bionic but won me over again with Your Body. If the album doesn't come out in 2017 or if it's half assed, I'm seriously considering turning in my stan card. Unfortunately I agree with all of this, and I've been a fan since Christina's debut era. Although I hope I'm wrong, the failure of the "Bionic" era seemed to completely change her, because ever since then she has done nothing to suggest she values her music over other ventures. She has way too many things stacked against her, and she seems to know it; I suspect that that's why we haven't heard anything concrete regarding new music. The fans she does have left do deserve SOME explanation as to why she keeps saying a new album is coming and nothing happens. If her heart isn't in it anymore, she should do the right thing and hang it up.
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Post by Mike on Jan 10, 2017 23:18:28 GMT -5
Her performance of "Stormy Weather" airs this Thursday @ 9PM EST on ABC.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 12, 2017 22:19:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mike on Jan 12, 2017 22:28:51 GMT -5
She did great. The raspy vocals suit her incredibly well in this style of music. Some of it felt a bit choppy, but overall this was a win. The tone in her lower register is truly one of a kind.
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Post by Live Your Life on Jan 13, 2017 19:41:06 GMT -5
It started off good and was a disaster by the end. As usual.
I also hate when networks edit the audio post production. The autotune made it sound even more sloppy than it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 20:15:52 GMT -5
The beginning of the performance was nice, but I just can't understand something-- has no one ever sat down with Christina and said "hey, you know that screaming thing you do at the end of songs? That doesn't sound good"? Because someone needs to-- it's fine if she's raspy, but she's become a parody of herself with those vocals. If you can't belt, then don't-- riff your way out of it at a lower octave. The straining is just so painful to listen to, especially from someone who sings so infrequently.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 13, 2017 23:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by Exclusive on Jan 14, 2017 18:19:16 GMT -5
Loved the performance. But im very worried. She keeps putting off the album. She needs to get back up in the stage and snatch everyone's wigs again.
Question. I've searched foe Christina's Album/Single sales. Why wont the RIAA certify songs like Candy man, keeps getting better and just fool? Does the record label request certifications...?
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Post by Caviar on Jan 14, 2017 18:56:10 GMT -5
Yup. RCA hasn't paid the fee. I'm trying to confirm with another pulse member if she has indeed moved over to Universal. We'll see.
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Post by vithor on Jan 15, 2017 18:55:59 GMT -5
Yup. RCA hasn't paid the fee. I'm trying to confirm with another pulse member if she has indeed moved over to Universal. We'll see. Universal isn't really a record label, is it?
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Post by Caviar on Jan 15, 2017 21:11:11 GMT -5
Yup. RCA hasn't paid the fee. I'm trying to confirm with another pulse member if she has indeed moved over to Universal. We'll see. Universal isn't really a record label, is it? UMG which includes Interscope.
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 16, 2017 8:36:48 GMT -5
I can't believe it's already been 4 years since Lotus. I don't know how she thinks she's gonna stay relevant if she keeps taking 5 years to put out new albums.
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Post by Mike on Jan 16, 2017 10:57:28 GMT -5
Random Oreo commercial airing outside of the US at the moment... lol.
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Post by theflying on Jan 18, 2017 12:30:18 GMT -5
Really happy to see some of the discussion on this page.
- It definitely feels like "Bionic" changed her.
- The music on Bionic was not up to par with Stripped/B2B, and most of the music released since then hasn't been up to par (excluding a few gems)
- I find it completely unacceptable at this point to have seen another four years since Lotus. Just absolutely ridiculous. What does she *want* at this point?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 18, 2017 12:36:50 GMT -5
Why do the videos for "Hurt" and "Candyman" have so many more views on VEVO/YouTube than bigger hits like Genie In A Bottle, Beautiful, Ain't No Other Man, etc?
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Post by Harx on Jan 18, 2017 12:52:49 GMT -5
Why do the videos for "Hurt" and "Candyman" have so many more views on VEVO/YouTube than bigger hits like Genie In A Bottle, Beautiful, Ain't No Other Man, etc? I can't speak for "Hurt" but the video for "Candyman" is one of her best imo. Maybe not as iconic, but definetely better than GIAB.
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