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Post by jacksonfan on Aug 21, 2005 8:41:46 GMT -5
Country National Airplay© Week Ending: 8/19/2005
. LW TW Artist Title (Label) Total Points 1 1 Toby Keith As Good As I Once Was (DreamWorks) 14312 3 2 Faith Hill Mississippi Girl (Warner Bros.) 13920 2 3 Sugarland Something More (Mercury) 13740 5 4 Brooks & Dunn Play Something Country (Arista) 11610 4 5 Brad Paisley Alcohol (Arista) 11446 6 6 Tim McGraw Do You Want Fries With That (Curb) 11213 8 7 Sara Evans A Real Fine Place To Start (RCA) 10054 9 8 Van Zant Help Somebody (Columbia) 9211 7 9 SheDaisy Don't Worry 'Bout A Thing (Lyric Street) 8838 10 10 Montgomery Gentry Something To Be Proud Of (Columbia) 7879
Above is from Radio and Records.
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This is the Canadian Country Charts for the week ending August 19th.
ARTIST VIDEO RANK LAST THIS WEEK WEEK
Toby Keith As Good As I Once Was 1 1 Sugarland Something More 2 2 LeAnn Rimes Probably Wouldn't Be This Way 3 4 Amanda Wilkinson No More Me & You 4 6 Jason Aldean Hicktown 5 7 Brooks & Dunn Play Something Country 6 9 Faith Hill Mississippi Girl 7 3 Sara Evans A Real Fine Place To Start 8 10 Lisa Brokop Ladylike 9 5 Brad Paisley Alcohol 10 12
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This is interesting. The top 2 are the same - but then it differs on each chart. I'm trying to find the chart I listened to yesterday on my station here in Canada - it had Faith Hill's Mississippi Girl as the #1 song for the 3rd week in a row!
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 21, 2005 8:48:57 GMT -5
When the chart week ends tonight it looks more amd more like Faith will the next #1 for the charts this week.
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Post by jacksonfan on Aug 21, 2005 10:28:08 GMT -5
When the chart week ends tonight it looks more amd more like Faith will the next #1 for the charts this week. Good to hear - I do like Mississippi Girl. kyhomeg - where do you find this information? I usually just go to cmt.com and cmtcanada.com - not sure where else to look (unless someone posts it on my site - then I see it there)
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Post by drock89 on Aug 21, 2005 10:42:57 GMT -5
When the chart week ends tonight it looks more amd more like Faith will the next #1 for the charts this week. How can you tell? Mediabase hasn't updated since Friday. I know TCorey has posted that she will be #1 on Billboard..
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 21, 2005 10:49:33 GMT -5
When the chart week ends tonight it looks more amd more like Faith will the next #1 for the charts this week. How can you tell? Mediabase hasn't updated since Friday. I know TCorey has posted that she will be #1 on Billboard.. No, I was giving daily updates. I haven't had access to updated figures through today. It looked likely based on the way the week was going.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Aug 21, 2005 13:25:25 GMT -5
mediabase hasnt been updated since fri ? has anyone seen this happen b4...it always is updated everyday...whats the dealio ?
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Post by bigbluenote on Aug 21, 2005 13:28:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I was thining that I would get on the computer this morning and find an updated mediabase. It's kinda sad, I look forward to those charts every single day. And now I feel lost, lol.
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Post by jacksonfan on Aug 21, 2005 15:26:14 GMT -5
Faith #1 By Default?
Found this posted on another site I visit - and I have to say I agree with the person who posted it. Anyone else agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
No attacks please - just state an opinon. Thanks.
OK--just monitoring the allaccess site as I do, noticed this all week! As Tobys #1 is losing spins, so is Faith and Sugarland and others on the country singles charts! The point being--Faith being the closest--can she make a #1 song by default--not really overtaking Toby, but the fact that his song is losing more spins then hers and has been for a week now--a little strange that no other song is actually gaining lots of spins to overtake the top spot--rather its who loses the lessor amount of spins and takes the top spot--looks like???
1 1 TOBY KEITH As Good As I Once Wa... 6772 7252 -480 2 2 FAITH HILL Mississippi Girl 6603 6755 -152 3 3 SUGARLAND Something More 6352 6590 -238 4 4 BROOKS & DUNN Play Something Count... 5749 5668 81 5 5 BRAD PAISLEY Alcohol 5702 5582 120 6 6 TIM MCGRAW Do You Want Fries Wi... 5289 5143 146
The only huge gainer is Gretchen with over 500 spins increase but she's not close to #1 yet! Looks like Faith will reach the #1` spot--eventually --as no-one else is close enough for some time! Tim, Brad and B&D dont have alot of increased spins either to jump to #1--kind of strange isnt it??? Trisha's "Georgia Rain" is losing spins now also dropping--it made the top 15 but thats it?? Country radio is very cluttered up--looks like!
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Post by someguy on Aug 21, 2005 21:50:18 GMT -5
Despite losing 133 spins, Faith takes #1 this week on the R&R chart, and I expect her to top the Billboard chart as well. With Brad slowing down and B&D bulletless this week, she may get a couple more weeks on top, whether or not her bullet returns.
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Post by Perp on Aug 21, 2005 23:00:18 GMT -5
Why is the R&R chart so slow? It only took a bullet of 72 to make the Jump chart. It can sometimes take twice that many spins to have a chance to rank on it.
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Post by gcook on Aug 22, 2005 8:24:57 GMT -5
I don't know. I am just glad the chart is updating again.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Aug 22, 2005 18:33:08 GMT -5
Faith does finish at #1.
1. Faith Hill: 34.160 (-.814) 2. Sugarland: 34.118 (-2.099) 3. Toby Keith: 33.576 (-3.030)
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Post by Topay on Aug 22, 2005 21:17:43 GMT -5
According to Faith's web site, "Mississippi Girl" takes over the top spot in both trade publications. It mentions it's her 9th Billboard Country #1 and 6th R&R Country #1. Congrats Faith on your first #1 in nearly 3 years and your first COUNTRY #1 in over 5 years!
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Post by smack on Aug 23, 2005 7:41:01 GMT -5
Did billboard change their policy on the country #1 song...1st week it bullets regardless whether it gains or not?
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 23, 2005 8:22:59 GMT -5
Did billboard change their policy on the country #1 song...1st week it bullets regardless whether it gains or not? No, I'm sure BB hasn't changed their policy. There have always been cases where songs have bullets even though they have dropped in audience. I think they use a percentage and allow a small drop before a song loses a bullet. In Faith's case, she lost 814,000 this week out of a total audience of 34.16 million. That's a 2% loss. Further down the chart, Gretchen Wilson dropped 136,000 out of a total audience of 20.205 million. That's a drop of less than 1% and she kept her bullet. Further down the chart, Trace Adkins lost 936,000 out of an audience of 14.215 million, for a 6.5% drop and he lost his bullet. When you get further down the chart it takes much less of a drop to lose a bullet. Sawyer Brown lost 19,000 and lost their bullet with a drop of 2.6%. So maybe the threshold is somewhere around 2%. Not exactly sure, but I do know that Faith didn't get her bullet just because she moved to #1. And I also noticed that if BB was using their old method for calculating the charts that Sugarland would be #1 this week as they beat out Faith in spins, 4473 to 4454.
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Post by Topay on Aug 23, 2005 9:01:40 GMT -5
Sugarland must be hating the audience determination of the Billboard chart...I remember seeing that "Baby Girl" would have been #1 for a week (Craig Morgan's first week at #1 with "That's What I Love About Sunday") if the chart was determined by spins. And if I'm not mistaken, the 2 Sugarland songs are the only two to be most played yet fail to hit #1.
Since I started watching the charts in 2000, I've always noticed that Billboard gives a first-time #1 song a bullet - whether or not it gains in spins/audience. A few examples of first-time #1's that lost spins/audience from a few charts include:
Good Morning Beautiful - Steve Holy (2002) My Front Porch Looking In - Lonestar (2003) Unwell - Matchbox Twenty (Adult Contemporary) (2003) You And Me - Lifehouse (Adult Top 40) (2005) and apparently Mississippi Girl (2005).
Maybe it's not the official rule that first-time #1's MUST have a bullet, but these songs all retained their bullets despite losing spins (and in Faith's case, audience). Granted, these losses were fairly small, and Holy and Lifehouse ended up regaining spins while at the top. Just an observation of mine.
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 23, 2005 9:37:00 GMT -5
Topay - I didn't realize that. I guess I was thinking more of the songs that stayed at #1 and lost their bullet. You said in the other cases, the songs retained their bullet even though they lost audience. Do you recall any cases of a song that didn't have a bullet in the previous week gaining a bullet when moving to #1 while still decreasing in sales/audience?
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Post by ericNY2002 on Aug 23, 2005 10:13:01 GMT -5
I remember Homewrecker being #1 in Spins, but #2 in Audience for a week on the Billboard Country Chart in mid-late May. I believe it was the week Making Memories of Us went #1. Other than that and now both Sugarland songs, I dont think its happened again since
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Post by smack on Aug 23, 2005 11:56:58 GMT -5
I think if you go WAY back, Shania was decreasing in spins when any man of mine hit #1, after patiently waiting for JMM to leave after 3 weeks. She did not bullet either week she was #1.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 23, 2005 12:19:09 GMT -5
Well Faith is back with a gain in spins today on medaibase and no longer losing spins. She is already working in her next release though, the song with Tim. Awarded: Sophie Muller To Direct Faith Hill "Like We Never Loved At All' Music Video Artist: Faith Hill Song: "Like We Never Loved At All" Label: Warner Brothers Director: Sophie Muller Production Co.: Oil Factory www.musicvideowire.com/dynamic/article_view.asp?AID=11294Some other county videos she has directed. Loretta Lynn and Jack Whites; Portland Oregon Dolly Parton's; I'm Gone Nickle Creek's; Speak Dixie Chicks; Top of the World
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Post by Topay on Aug 23, 2005 15:26:25 GMT -5
Topay - I didn't realize that. I guess I was thinking more of the songs that stayed at #1 and lost their bullet. You said in the other cases, the songs retained their bullet even though they lost audience. Do you recall any cases of a song that didn't have a bullet in the previous week gaining a bullet when moving to #1 while still decreasing in sales/audience? I remember Tracy Byrd lost spins with "10 Rounds With Jose Cervo" and lost its bullet in its 2nd week at #2. But then it regained spins the following week and spent a week at the top. So that's close to but not quite what you're looking for. I'm not certain, but the Lonestar song may have lost its bullet while spending its 6th week at #2 behind Toby/Willie. The following week, Lonestar lost spins yet managed to get a week in at the top. I do remember "Front Porch" being bulleted that week. I know the MB20 song had been losing spins for a couple weeks on the AC chart before finally hitting #1. Eric - thanks for the correction. I totally forgot about Gretchen's song earlier this year.
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Post by ericNY2002 on Aug 24, 2005 13:12:17 GMT -5
This will put Something More in a spot for next week: Either overtake Faith for #1, or get put to recurrent. Similar situation happed with Lesson In leavin vs Amazed back in 1999.
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Post by Marv on Aug 24, 2005 19:59:59 GMT -5
'When I Think About Cheating' was also #1 in spins @ Mediabase for one week, but never made it to #1 in R&R.
I'm not sure if BB does have a rule stating that any song rising to #1 gets a bullet, but R&R has no such rule; they've had several songs rise to #1 without a bullet, with Ms. Hill turning the trick this week.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Aug 24, 2005 20:17:38 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Aug 24, 2005 22:04:07 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others. Why the he!! do you have to bring that up??? And who said that IF payola was used that it would be used for only getting a song to #1?? couldnt the bigwigs at WB have used it to buy plays to ALMOST make poor faithy waithy the highest debuting single by a female? Or what about at Sony for Gretchens single to take that slice of cake? If you are gonna talk about payola, use common sense.
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Post by kyhomeg on Aug 25, 2005 0:44:12 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others. Why the he!! do you have to bring that up??? And who said that IF payola was used that it would be used for only getting a song to #1?? couldnt the bigwigs at WB have used it to buy plays to ALMOST make poor faithy waithy the highest debuting single by a female? Or what about at Sony for Gretchens single to take that slice of cake? If you are gonna talk about payola, use common sense. Calm down! Talk about overreacting. Just cause you love Sugarland doesn't mean everyone does. BTW I do like them.
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Post by firedancer on Aug 25, 2005 10:11:15 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others. Why the he!! do you have to bring that up??? And who said that IF payola was used that it would be used for only getting a song to #1?? couldnt the bigwigs at WB have used it to buy plays to ALMOST make poor faithy waithy the highest debuting single by a female? Or what about at Sony for Gretchens single to take that slice of cake? If you are gonna talk about payola, use common sense. I think skywalker is using plenty of common sense. If Sugarland doesn't get to #1, then I don't think that's a testiment that payola is DEAD, but I do agree that this is a perfect time to pull out that card. Steelo, why would it surprise you if payola is used to get Sugarland to #1? Labels start pulling out that trick for the top 10 and up--as well as for other things, like debuts, etc, as you mentioned. I don't think it reflects badly on artists that have proven they deserve to be there, like Sugarland has, IMO. They're great and genuinely talented. But sometimes even the best need a push in a business like this.
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Post by northerncountry on Aug 25, 2005 10:22:47 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others. If this week's chart is the litmus test, Sugarland is failing. They look as if they're in freefall mode as they have lost 2.28 million in audience since Monday's MB chart. They are now well behind Toby and Faith, and at the rate they're falling, they will also be passed by Brooks & Dunn, and they could also be passed by Brad, Tim and Sara.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Aug 25, 2005 13:31:01 GMT -5
This weeks chart would be a great litmus test for the "still existence of payola" argument. Think about it, faith has hit #1 now and toby at #2 was #1 already, theyve had their day in the sun. Meanwhile sugarland sits at #3. This would be the perfect time for luke to dig into his pockets and get that #1 for sugar. The weakness in the chart with songs at the top loosing spins, or gaining slightly, is just ripe for it now. If sugar doesnt get to #1 can we safely assume that payola is basically dead ? I mean if they dont get there in this situation, it sure would be harder in alot of others. If this week's chart is the litmus test, Sugarland is failing. They look as if they're in freefall mode as they have lost 2.28 million in audience since Monday's MB chart. They are now well behind Toby and Faith, and at the rate they're falling, they will also be passed by Brooks & Dunn, and they could also be passed by Brad, Tim and Sara. right...now how could someone argue that payola is still a "major"...major...did i say major enuff...major factor anymore because if it still was, then why isnt it being used here...a perfect situation where it would of seemed likely in the past. p.s. - i like sugarland too, i just think its fun to look at these angles...these are only music charts not life and death like some people seem to treat them.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Aug 25, 2005 13:37:57 GMT -5
'When I Think About Cheating' was also #1 in spins @ Mediabase for one week, but never made it to #1 in R&R. I'm not sure if BB does have a rule stating that any song rising to #1 gets a bullet, but R&R has no such rule; they've had several songs rise to #1 without a bullet, with Ms. Hill turning the trick this week. faith did get a bullet going to #1 on billboard this week.
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