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Post by getonthebus on Oct 16, 2015 14:40:42 GMT -5
They submitted Heartbeat Song for a Record of the Year nom....
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 16, 2015 16:16:19 GMT -5
They submitted Heartbeat Song for a Record of the Year nom.... They didn't even bother for Pop vocal? Or for Album? lol
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Oct 16, 2015 16:21:29 GMT -5
I didn't even know Second Hand Heart was being released in the US already. I thought it was UK only, so that's a nice surprise!
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Post by Focus on Oct 16, 2015 16:23:25 GMT -5
They submitted Heartbeat Song for a Record of the Year nom.... They didn't even bother for Pop vocal? Or for Album? lol according to Gold Derby... Kelly Clarkson Heartbeat Song - ROY, (SOY), Pop Solo, Music Vid Piece By Piece - AOY, Pop Album
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 16:54:07 GMT -5
Eh. Should have submitted PBP for pop solo performance. When you can't get by on commercial success you have to double down on what you did bring to the table - in this case, sheer vocal prowess and emotional lyrics. HBS doesn't stand a chance either way, unfortunately.
But on a positive note, allow me to add to the love for Second Hand Heart! Very catchy.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 16, 2015 17:04:24 GMT -5
"Heartbeat Song" over "Invincible" or any other album track, tbh? And not even trying "Run Run Run" for collab?
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Post by BDGeek on Oct 16, 2015 18:02:46 GMT -5
And not even trying "Run Run Run" for collab? I think the Tokio Hotel controversy effectively killed that song's chances of appearing anywhere beyond the album itself. Hence why it wasn't a single, why she never performed it on tour, why we won't get a Grammy performance, etc. The royalties for that song have probably been a nightmare.
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Post by Revelry on Oct 16, 2015 18:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by bitchplease on Oct 16, 2015 18:39:20 GMT -5
Thank god for that, Run3x isnt that good anyway. N PBP the song has no chance to be nominated even if it was submitted, kelly is no beyonce. The grammy wont nominate a random album track by kelly, her team just doesnt have that pull.
Enjoying second hand heart at the moment. Kelly doesnt sound up to her standard, but i think the key just doesnt sit well with her sweet spot vocally. It suits the guy perfectly (since its his song and all haha)
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 16, 2015 20:31:50 GMT -5
I am pretty sure PBP would have had to have an official release date and get some AirPlay in order to be eligible for the single awards. Beyoncé gets lots of things nominated because they get an adds date on Urban even if CHR never spins them one time. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but their only choices were HBS and Invincible. Neither will get a nomination so might as well go with the one that at least charted.
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 16, 2015 23:17:44 GMT -5
Why would they submit a song no one has heard of?
Watched some youtube compilation video of her best vocals of the PBP tour and I was...pretty unimpressed. Hope she rests up and comes back like she did after the Breakaway tours and returns to her 2008-2013 form. And a covers album for next Christmas please.
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Post by rahulv on Oct 17, 2015 0:18:38 GMT -5
Not sure if I like Second Hand Heart too much - its kind of sugary (for lack of a better word) like MLWSWY for me - cookie cutter - but eventually wears out too soon. Works for radio, I guess.
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Post by blujayyoungs on Oct 17, 2015 5:40:28 GMT -5
Do you guys think she has a chance at getting nominated? I really hope she does!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 9:22:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't count her out in the pop album category.
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Post by Peterawr on Oct 17, 2015 9:38:44 GMT -5
The album categories are the only place she has a chance of getting nominated.
It's a shame, because Piece By Piece the song is 100% grammy worthy.
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Post by Focus on Oct 17, 2015 18:58:45 GMT -5
Kelly's in a bit of twitter frenzy today. :)
and from Audra McDonald in response to Kelly...
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Post by nightshade on Oct 17, 2015 20:26:07 GMT -5
Yes! Kellegend praising Miley's Karen Don't Be Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 0:30:03 GMT -5
Glad that I know she is alive
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Post by BDGeek on Oct 18, 2015 1:20:06 GMT -5
When Kelly's gets off vocal rest, Imma need an Audra duet stat.
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Post by bitchplease on Oct 18, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Whats audra?
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Post by Focus on Oct 18, 2015 13:43:07 GMT -5
She also sings a duet with Josh Groban on the same album as Kelly's duet with him.
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Post by getonthebus on Oct 19, 2015 11:05:39 GMT -5
The effortless way she took that shady Miley stan's tweet and deflected it with a genuine compliment is A+ classic Kelly :'(
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Post by Unhinged on Oct 19, 2015 11:09:27 GMT -5
"Second Hand Heart" is holding up nicely on UK iTunes, currently #8. :)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 12:56:55 GMT -5
I want her to record a country version of PBP. I could see her having a huge country and AC hit with it.
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Post by Peterawr on Oct 19, 2015 15:21:04 GMT -5
Could Piece by Piece (the song) be nominated for a Grammy next year if it was released as a single in the new year? Not that I think we get another single this era, but if they decided to go that route assuming Kelly is able to promote again. Can a song be nominated if it came from an album that was released/submitted during a previous eligibility period? I don't know how all of this grammy nomination stuff works. Especially Best New Artist...
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Post by bigb0882 on Oct 19, 2015 16:14:34 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the single would still be eligible even if it came from an album that was eligible the year before. It would just need an adds date and airplay that began in the eligibility period. I don't see this happening here but I do think it is allowed.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 19, 2015 16:24:26 GMT -5
Could Piece by Piece (the song) be nominated for a Grammy next year if it was released as a single in the new year? Not that I think we get another single this era, but if they decided to go that route assuming Kelly is able to promote again. No, because the song won't be released during the eligibility period for the 2017 awards. She'd have to release a new version of it before September 30, 2016 and submit that for nomination. It's why we've seen nominations/awards in recent years for live versions of tracks like "Set Fire To The Rain," "All Of Me," and "Happy" (and why you'll see the recently-released acoustic version of Walk The Moon's "Shut Up And Dance" should it receive any nominations this time around - the original studio version came out in September 2014).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 16:28:32 GMT -5
Answers to Grammy related-stuff above me:
For ROTY, one can make a submission "for commercially released singles or tracks of new vocal or instrumental recordings. Tracks from a previous year's album may be entered provided the track was not entered the previous year and provided the album did not win a Grammy." The way that is worded, it seems that one could submit a 'noncommercial' track, but a) that is probably an antiquated concept now - there is really no such thing as a noncommercial track in the digital age and b) there has never been a non-single that ever got nominated for ROTY. Either way I think it's safe to say this is a moot point.
For pop solo performance (in which I'm also including the now defunct female/male performance categories, as the rules have remained the same), a song can be a single or track; if it is a single, the above ROTY stipulation applies to songs from albums released the year prior. For the most part the nominations are singles, but there are rare exceptions. Adele's "Hometown Glory" for example was never an official single in the US, but received a nomination. Granted, this is likely b/c the song was used enough in media and various tv shows that people were familiar with it anyway, but that just underscores the real problem with submitting a non-single - there's no reason a person couldn't submit one, but if the song didn't sell anything or get played or used anywhere, why would it get nominated? No one knows it. That said, given the choice between stellar album cut with almost unanimous praise from the critics who did write about it vs. lead single with so-so commercial performance and not much of a strong critic reaction, I would have taken my chances on the album cut and just hoped Grammy committee members gave it a chance.
BNA's rules changed - previously you couldn't be nominated if you had ever been nominated for an award before. This was a disadvantage to new artists who released a lead single in the summer/early fall, but the full album in late fall/winter (i.e. across different nomination periods). After Gaga got screwed over by this rule the Grammys changed it so that you could be nominated for BNA as long as you have not won an award, and have not previously released an album before.** (Gaga is not the first person to be knocked out of BNA contention because of the previous rule, she was just such a notable example that the Grammys changed it immediately thereafter.)
**The rules on 'first' album are actually a bit tenuous; the requirement is simply that you haven't yet released a recording that has established your 'public identity.' So that's how Shelby Lynne ended up winning in 2001 despite having been recording for over a decade.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 16:29:32 GMT -5
oh ok my post directly contradicts what Kurt just said lol Wikipedia and I will see our way out now *runs and hides*
Ok I think I've figured it out....there are three different scenarios here.
1. wallace's hypothetical scenario of an album track that was released as a single in a different eligibility period from the parent album. You can submit that track IF the parent album did not win anything the previous year.
2. The parent album won a Grammy already so subsequent singles can't be nominated unless there's a 'new' version submitted - e.g., Set Fire to the Rain. Beyonce submitting and being nominated for a live version of Halo in 2011 after she'd already won the category with the studio version of that same song in 2010 was just messy, but even without that win would fall under this scenario because I Am...Sasha Fierce won Contemporary R&B Album in 2010.
3. The original song itself had already been released in a previous eligibility period but didn't catch on until the current period (thus leaving the artist with no choice but to submit a 'new' version of the song so that they could submit it for a Grammy nom). E.g., Happy and All of Me.
SUAD was originally released in September 2014 (still within the 2014 eligibility period IIRC), but didn't take off until this year. If I'm right about that cutoff it falls under scenario #3.
tl;dr if Kelly doesn't win anything for PBP the album (spoiler alert: she won't), she can release a single between now and next October, and then submit that single. If PBP surprisingly won anything, she would have to submit a different recording of the song for it to count.
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Post by Focus on Oct 19, 2015 18:42:38 GMT -5
:)) :)) Courtesy bixblitz at the KCE...
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