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Post by Hook on Nov 20, 2015 16:09:48 GMT -5
I don't think so, but herein lies the problem. Her team refuses to brand her in that way, which is exactly how I think she would be best received. She would sing the s**t out of Hello. It's exactly the kind of single they NEED to get out of the rut they are in. Vocally stunning and emotionally impactful. I tend to agree. While I don't want her going the Adele route fully and recording a really slow album, going that direction would probably work well. The fact that they took Piece By Piece (a vocally stunning/emotional song) and made a dance remix for radio is ridiculous.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Nov 20, 2015 17:49:54 GMT -5
What's wrong with this?
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Post by Illusions on Nov 20, 2015 17:53:11 GMT -5
That isn't the real video. Someone uploaded it under a fake Vevo account. Heard My Favorite Things in the mall today. Reminded me how much I want Kelly to do a Broadway album.
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Post by bigb0882 on Nov 20, 2015 18:17:44 GMT -5
Part of the problem with Kelly releasing a song like Hello is that she has been branded and marketed as an anthemic break-up singing artist. That was her niche and she did it very very well. It is obvious with her last album they are moving away from the break-up songs but then again, did it work? The album has sold nothing compared to all her previous releases. Kelly can work on releasing music like Hello but Pop radio will never take to it. She will have to find a career in the AC/HAC market and her label will have to be OK with her selling 500k albums on a good release. It is just where she is at in her career now. They could go back to the big anthems if Kelly truly wanted to but I don't see Kelly wanting that, it comes with so much promo and image work that I don't see it happening anymore. I am finally OK with her never having another big hit again, I just want her to continue to put out great music and I think if she and her label embrace this fact then she could have her best material ahead of her. She can hopefully trade commercial success for critical acclaim which is long over-due. Adele has been lucky to have both at the same time.
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StrongBreakaway
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Nov 20, 2015 18:48:51 GMT -5
That isn't the real video. Someone uploaded it under a fake Vevo account. Heard My Favorite Things in the mall today. Reminded me how much I want Kelly to do a Broadway album. I should've written "Why didn't they release it like this and actually show a connection to BOY/her past?" But thanks, Sherlock And yesss! Broadwayelly is everything!!! This and Stuff Like That There >>>
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Post by MiniMusic on Nov 20, 2015 19:02:33 GMT -5
Ugh not happy about the video... she releases the same music video for every song. Her singing the song and then cut flashes to different people looking dramatic about something. I need something more interesting from her!! Her music is way too good for her to be so damn boring
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Post by Revelry on Nov 20, 2015 22:14:35 GMT -5
At this point, she can't really be surprised if her pop singles continue to flop. She doesn't play the game of wanting to be a pop star so there's no reason why she would be successful in the pop lane anymore. She needs to decide if she wants to put effort into videos, image, branding, etc (and the answer thus far has been a resounding No). I'm really interested to see what she decides to do next. Whatever it is, I just want her to give it 100%. This last era felt very half-assed in every way possible.
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Post by BDGeek on Nov 21, 2015 1:27:53 GMT -5
Ah, the perennial "why isn't Kelly bigger than she is?" discussion. Almost as frequent (and unnecessary) as the weight discussion. How many times has she said she doesn't want to be the biggest star in the world? How many times this era alone has she stressed that family is now a priority over music?
I get that it's frustrating when your favorite artist isn't taking the musical world by storm like she used to. But she's made it repeatedly clear that she doesn't want to.
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Post by xline06 on Nov 21, 2015 1:58:58 GMT -5
After a big success of Breakaway, she didn't want to be a superstar anymore because of stress and pressure to be a bigger one. She's enough to have a fame with her gifted abilities.
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Post by Anticonformity on Nov 21, 2015 4:09:28 GMT -5
Ah, the perennial "why isn't Kelly bigger than she is?" discussion. Almost as frequent (and unnecessary) as the weight discussion. How many times has she said she doesn't want to be the biggest star in the world? How many times this era alone has she stressed that family is now a priority over music? I get that it's frustrating when your favorite artist isn't taking the musical world by storm like she used to. But she's made it repeatedly clear that she doesn't want to. You can repeat this until you die as I have done in the Britney stan bases, THEY WILL NEVER GET IT... .____________. I'd rather have my faves happy and living life than miserable and selling out stadiums/breaking records...
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 21, 2015 10:30:05 GMT -5
The discounted price of Wrapped in Red seems to be paying off. US Itunes:
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 21, 2015 10:34:51 GMT -5
I'm expecting WIR to continue to climb now that Christmas season is in full swing. Get it Kelly!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 21, 2015 10:55:08 GMT -5
Is there a contractual obligation for Kelly to make music videos? Genuine question.
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Post by bigb0882 on Nov 21, 2015 11:51:10 GMT -5
I would assume for singles she is required to make one, assuming the label wants to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 15:08:34 GMT -5
Okay, so this is actually the conclusion of Entertainment Weekly's review of Adele's new album, and I just replaced "Adele" with "Kelly," because this could easily be about Kelly Clarkson and written at basically any point in the last 7-8 years (except for the pop radio part--what they've released have singles have been fairly trend-chasing, but the often superior album tracks are not). But it's not, and I will be forever frustrated by that, because it highlights Kelly and co.'s biggest weakness: branding. Ah, the perennial "why isn't Kelly bigger than she is?" discussion. Almost as frequent (and unnecessary) as the weight discussion. How many times has she said she doesn't want to be the biggest star in the world? How many times this era alone has she stressed that family is now a priority over music? I get that it's frustrating when your favorite artist isn't taking the musical world by storm like she used to. But she's made it repeatedly clear that she doesn't want to. I agree with both of you, but I would also offer the caveat that Kelly's situation is too different from Adele's. I have always believed the reason she never wanted to be the biggest star in the world was because she was only ever presented with one way to be the 'biggest star.' Your Britney (now Taylor or Katy) type of path, very conventional notion of what a pop star is. Kelly started with possibly the hugest manufactured-pop-star albatross in the world hanging from her neck (Idol) so she never had a chance to look at it otherwise. Clive himself said once that there are artists and there are products, and American Idol was only a product to him. This is the mentality she had to work with/against for four albums straight; she was never going to have the chance to be an artiste the way Adele is, and after so many albums it is extremely difficult to switch tracks like that and get people to follow along with you. To a large extent Kelly's 'brand' is that she's been spending most of her career trying to run away from branding. It is for this reason that I can't really get frustrated that Kelly doesn't have Adele's branding, since Adele's career from the start was never comparable to the path Kelly had to carve out for herself. When I get frustrated over Kelly's branding woes it is more so in comparison to say, Christina Aguilera, who hasn't been commercially relevant in almost a complete decade now and whose vocal talents have been touch and go for almost the same amount of time, but has held on to that Voice Of Her Generation title with an ironclad grip like no other. She has the bitchy criticisms but even that sometimes gets spun as a take-no-shit attitude (which Kelly also has, minus the bitch angle). Kelly is basically everything Christina has sold herself to be, so if there is any branding Kelly should have incorporated from day 1, it is that. [p.s. nomination submissions for PMAs open tomorrow you guys! get your tallies ready!]
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Post by Focus on Nov 21, 2015 17:35:19 GMT -5
GoodListener at the KCE found this on Twitter. It really brightened up my day. :) Dramatiq da Producer @dramatiq00 19h19 hours ago Hey @sharishort11 Kelly Clarkson looking for songs ill book the #LARS studio if u want to collab hmu
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Post by xline06 on Nov 22, 2015 17:21:51 GMT -5
Anyway, I just find that Wrapped In Red is No. 25 on iTunes right now! I'm expecting WIR to continue to climb now that Christmas season is in full swing. Get it Kelly! Yes. It has already performed very well for last 2 years. I really love this album with 5 new KC songs.
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Post by xline06 on Nov 22, 2015 17:22:29 GMT -5
GoodListener at the KCE found this on Twitter. It really brightened up my day. :) Dramatiq da Producer @dramatiq00 19h19 hours ago Hey @sharishort11 Kelly Clarkson looking for songs ill book the #LARS studio if u want to collab hmuWhat does that mean? New songs for anything? Cover one?
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Post by JJ on Nov 23, 2015 6:22:07 GMT -5
Ah, the perennial "why isn't Kelly bigger than she is?" discussion. Almost as frequent (and unnecessary) as the weight discussion. How many times has she said she doesn't want to be the biggest star in the world? How many times this era alone has she stressed that family is now a priority over music? I get that it's frustrating when your favorite artist isn't taking the musical world by storm like she used to. But she's made it repeatedly clear that she doesn't want to. Lol, I don't want her to be bigger or more famous, it's really not about that. I don't want her to do what she doesn't want, but why release a poppy album with a poppy 1st single if you're not going to go pop to promote it?! I want her to release good songs that she clearly wants to sing and promote the best way she can. I take Jewel's latest release as an example. She released her best album in years through an indie label and promoted they way she could, but she was there all the time. Made one good video for it and had no songs sent to radio because nobody would play it anyway, but still made her fans extremely happy with the quality of the material and the effort she put in it. If Kelly had to release a PxP video, I'd rather have a "Used To Love You" type of video than that mess. This whole era seems too much thrown together.
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Post by musicfan134 on Nov 23, 2015 18:15:26 GMT -5
I think the thing with this era in particular is Kelly was soooooooooooo not invested in it whatsoever. During album release week (which should arguably be the most exciting time of an album's lifespan) she didn't do much of anything at all. In fact, whenever she was asked/talked about PXP, she basically brushed it off and said she was uber excited for her next project. Okay...you just released a brand new album, and she already seems ready to move on. I love the album honestly, but she has made it blatantly obvious she does not.
In all honestly, I think the issue with pxp is that she sat on it for the entirety of her first pregnancy, and then she got pregnant a second time. Which is great for Kelly, and I understand that her loyalties are now and forever will be with her family and children. I get that, I really do. But at the same time, if she isn't fully invested in an album/material, I honestly think it'd be better for her both career and family wise to not release much of anything until she's completely, 100% devoted to the project at hand. Look at P!nk. Hell, even Adele took 4 years to make her new album.
Tl;dr this era was AIEW all over again just without a hit single. Which is going to make her next comeback even harder to pull off.
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 23, 2015 19:20:41 GMT -5
Wrapped in Red tracks are reappearing on the charts! US iTunes: 615. Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 998. Kelly Clarkson - Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas 1205. Kelly Clarkson - Silent Night (feat. Reba McEntire & Trisha Yearwood) AC Current & Recurrent Chart: 54 KELLY CLARKSON Underneath The Tree 224 (+55) 165 (+52) 1.613 (+0.374) 70 KELLY CLARKSON Wrapped In Red 124 (RE) 85 (RE) 0.415 (RE)
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 23, 2015 19:33:12 GMT -5
^Plus, Wrapped in Red the album is now No. 18 US iTunes. #newchristmasqueen ;)
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Post by Jack on Nov 23, 2015 22:35:51 GMT -5
^Plus, Wrapped in Red the album is now No. 18 US iTunes. #newchristmasqueen ;) Did Piece By Piece ever get that high?
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Post by Max_X5 on Nov 24, 2015 10:56:38 GMT -5
While I can't deny the obvious commercial aspects of "Heartbeat Song," I still can't help but think "Second Wind" would have been a superior first single for Piece By Piece. Heck, the first line alone with the (likely unintentional) Idol subtext is perfect. I just feel like that song would have framed and positioned the era better than "Heartbeat Song" did.
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 24, 2015 10:59:53 GMT -5
iTunes USA finally updated: #1 album (deluxe) and 'Heartbeat' is at #16 ! The standard album is #58. Let's see which songs rank highest by the end of the week- that might influence the choice (and even order) of singles. Jack, did a quick skim of the thread and it looks like it hit No. 1 on iTunes.
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Post by getonthebus on Nov 24, 2015 11:13:22 GMT -5
Mess I forgot that Wilder Mind even came out this year.
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 24, 2015 11:25:41 GMT -5
Also, you go Kelly with your 4 Top 80 singles on AC right now.
19. Heartbeat Song 49. Underneath The Tree 69. Wrapped In Red 76. Invincible
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Post by QAF on Nov 24, 2015 14:19:05 GMT -5
They need to release Winter Dreams please.
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Post by Jack on Nov 24, 2015 14:55:03 GMT -5
iTunes USA finally updated: #1 album (deluxe) and 'Heartbeat' is at #16 ! The standard album is #58. Let's see which songs rank highest by the end of the week- that might influence the choice (and even order) of singles. Jack, did a quick skim of the thread and it looks like it hit No. 1 on iTunes. I was being a shady little cow, but thanks ;)
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 24, 2015 15:43:43 GMT -5
^You? Never! ;)
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