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Post by spencer on Jan 6, 2016 22:46:04 GMT -5
^ #1 Adam Lambert 10 million $ #2 Carrie Underwood 8 #3 Chris Daughtry 6 #4 Phillip Phillips 5 #5 Kelly and Scotty 4 Good for Adam, he's been touring with Qween. This was really a down year for Kelly and for Carrie as well.. Thanks for the list.
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Post by Peterawr on Jan 6, 2016 23:28:00 GMT -5
I would love to see more stuff like "Take You High" "The Day We Fell Apart" on her next album. The sound suits her and they make for such great songs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 23:32:07 GMT -5
Ryan Seacrest's answer is.. weird kind of. Where would he be if Kelly hadn't made AI popular? Carrie donimates earnings - she's the 2nd best earning idol in the most recent list. Kelly the 5th best selling (the list ended in May 2015) - but Kelly's overall worldwide sales and legacy are the biggest.. which makes her the biggest star IMO. I don't know, it's not that weird to me? You can't really go wrong by giving either as an answer, it just depends on which factors you take into account. Being in different genres makes a difference in how they are perceived as well. Kelly obviously is the start of it all and despite the ups and downs, she has certainly held her own in the pop world. However, when you actually compare Kelly to other pop stars she is pretty firmly a B-lister (by choice more or less, but that doesn't change the fact). Carrie is strictly contained within country but she's A++ within that world. Aside from Taylor, she's been by far the top female country artist ever since she started. I think when people side with Carrie they're probably taking that into account even more so than sales comparisons - not everyone necessarily cares about worldwide or mainstream (pop/crossover) presence, and being able to dominate your genre (especially when such dominance is on par with the sales of most mainstream stars) counts for a lot. With all that being said, Kelly left 19's management after her first album, while Carrie has stayed with them. Kelly has never shied away from her Idol roots but I always got the sense that because of the 19 ties Carrie was more closely connected to the show on the business side than Kelly, so Ryan may subconsciously be taking that into account as well.
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Post by itsaboutart on Jan 7, 2016 1:03:00 GMT -5
Ryan Seacrest's answer is.. weird kind of. Where would he be if Kelly hadn't made AI popular? Carrie donimates earnings - she's the 2nd best earning idol in the most recent list. Kelly the 5th best selling (the list ended in May 2015) - but Kelly's overall worldwide sales and legacy are the biggest.. which makes her the biggest star IMO. I don't know, it's not that weird to me? You can't really go wrong by giving either as an answer, it just depends on which factors you take into account. Being in different genres makes a difference in how they are perceived as well. Kelly obviously is the start of it all and despite the ups and downs, she has certainly held her own in the pop world. However, when you actually compare Kelly to other pop stars she is pretty firmly a B-lister (by choice more or less, but that doesn't change the fact). Carrie is strictly contained within country but she's A++ within that world. Aside from Taylor, she's been by far the top female country artist ever since she started. I think when people side with Carrie they're probably taking that into account even more so than sales comparisons - not everyone necessarily cares about worldwide or mainstream (pop/crossover) presence, and being able to dominate your genre (especially when such dominance is on par with the sales of most mainstream stars) counts for a lot. With all that being said, Kelly left 19's management after her first album, while Carrie has stayed with them. Kelly has never shied away from her Idol roots but I always got the sense that because of the 19 ties Carrie was more closely connected to the show on the business side than Kelly, so Ryan may subconsciously be taking that into account as well. Kelly Clarkson is not a B lister. That was so weird. She has a real pop legacy. She is definitely A list. I can be A+++ in world instrumental music you can actually compare the two. Kelly Clarkson is a much bigger star than Carrie Underwood. I think Carrie is great btw. But there isn't a comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 9:37:37 GMT -5
I don't know, it's not that weird to me? You can't really go wrong by giving either as an answer, it just depends on which factors you take into account. Being in different genres makes a difference in how they are perceived as well. Kelly obviously is the start of it all and despite the ups and downs, she has certainly held her own in the pop world. However, when you actually compare Kelly to other pop stars she is pretty firmly a B-lister (by choice more or less, but that doesn't change the fact). Carrie is strictly contained within country but she's A++ within that world. Aside from Taylor, she's been by far the top female country artist ever since she started. I think when people side with Carrie they're probably taking that into account even more so than sales comparisons - not everyone necessarily cares about worldwide or mainstream (pop/crossover) presence, and being able to dominate your genre (especially when such dominance is on par with the sales of most mainstream stars) counts for a lot. With all that being said, Kelly left 19's management after her first album, while Carrie has stayed with them. Kelly has never shied away from her Idol roots but I always got the sense that because of the 19 ties Carrie was more closely connected to the show on the business side than Kelly, so Ryan may subconsciously be taking that into account as well. Kelly Clarkson is not a B lister. That was so weird. She has a real pop legacy. She is definitely A list. I can be A+++ in world instrumental music you can actually compare the two. Kelly Clarkson is a much bigger star than Carrie Underwood. I think Carrie is great btw. But there isn't a comparison. We'll have to agree to disagree on the first part...Kelly has A list name recognition but the actual career, when you put her up against the likes of a Rihanna, Gaga for those first two albums, Katy, Taylor, Beyonce, etc...B+ would be more fair than a flat B but I can't give Kelly the A without feeling like I'm just being a blind stan. As for who is the bigger star, again, they are in different genres. I wasn't saying Carrie is A list in general, in fact she is not because she chose not to cross over. But she is A list within country. So it's not even that we can do a direct comparison. It's sort of of a big fish in a smaller pond thing. Carrie is the biggest fish in her pond. The pond Kelly is in is bigger and Kelly is a big fish, but not the biggest one. No way of knowing who is truly the bigger fish between Carrie and Kelly because they'll never be in the same pond. (Kelly has tried hopping in Carrie's pond but country fans have rejected her specifically because she is a pop fish.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 10:03:19 GMT -5
I wished the PXP Cover would look like this:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:37:44 GMT -5
Kelly's Twitter background is still pushing Invincible as her current single. I saw it a minute ago too :)
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Post by jerzguy26 on Jan 7, 2016 17:40:03 GMT -5
I think when discussing the "greatest" American Idol winner it's only fair to mention both Kelly and Carrie in the answer. To me it's a toss up.
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Post by Focus on Jan 7, 2016 19:18:42 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson kelly🌷💞_clarkson 7h7 hours ago Hey people, I love a lot of different artists. U can 2. We don't have 2 compete/compare. No need 2 belittle others success. Room 4 everyone. Gloria Gaynor @gloriagaynor 5h5 hours ago Gloria Gaynor Retweeted Kelly Clarkson Wonderful sentiment, kelly🌷💞_clarkson ...definitely room 4 everyone #GG
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 7, 2016 20:08:50 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson kelly🌷💞_clarkson 7h7 hours ago Hey people, I love a lot of different artists. U can 2. We don't have 2 compete/compare. No need 2 belittle others success. Room 4 everyone. Gloria Gaynor @gloriagaynor 5h5 hours ago Gloria Gaynor Retweeted Kelly Clarkson Wonderful sentiment, kelly🌷💞_clarkson ...definitely room 4 everyone #GG #Kelly4Prez
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Post by neally on Jan 7, 2016 20:12:01 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson kelly🌷💞_clarkson 7h7 hours ago Hey people, I love a lot of different artists. U can 2. We don't have 2 compete/compare. No need 2 belittle others success. Room 4 everyone. Gloria Gaynor @gloriagaynor 5h5 hours ago Gloria Gaynor Retweeted Kelly Clarkson Wonderful sentiment, kelly🌷💞_clarkson ...definitely room 4 everyone #GG Hi, Since I don't use twitter, I'm probably asking a silly question, but was Kelly's comment in response to a specific comment ? If so, can you please link that tweet ? Thanks !
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Post by Focus on Jan 7, 2016 20:20:40 GMT -5
It was just an individual tweet Neally, not connected to any other specific comment.
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Post by Focus on Jan 8, 2016 15:33:28 GMT -5
Kelly's presence held up nicely in 2015 according to the Nielsen N-Score ratings. 2015 NIELSEN MUSIC U.S. REPORT 2015 TOP 10 MUSICIANS AMONG MILLENNIALS (18-34)N-SCORE Nielsen N-Score measures fans’ perception of top talent in music, sports, books, film and TV across 10 attributes including “Awareness,” “Likeability,” “Influential” and “Trendsetter.” N-Score is used by brands, talent and content developers to understand endorsement value. www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/reports-downloads/2016-reports/2015-year-end-music-report.pdf.pdf
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Post by Unhinged on Jan 8, 2016 18:01:28 GMT -5
^Very cool! This bodes well for Kelly's year 2016. I'm excited to see what this year brings for her. :)
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Post by musicfan134 on Jan 8, 2016 18:13:13 GMT -5
Ya know, I'm very surprised at this. Even with a "flop" album (although I personally think Pxp did about as well as it could've considering there was barely any promo after the first month and there was no hit single), Kelly's "star power" has held up incredibly well. I can't help but wonder what would happen to someone like Adele or Taylor if their next albums performed as well as PxP.
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 8, 2016 18:16:51 GMT -5
That's actually extremely surprising to me too, especially among that age bracket. I'm also shocked at the lack of presence of some of today's "hot" artists, like Ellie Goulding, Ariana Grande, Rihanna, Jay-Z (he's not really a hot artist but he is still ubiquitous), and even C.U. Kelly's built up a lot of equity and remains very well respected, it seems. Go her!
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Post by bitchplease on Jan 8, 2016 21:36:49 GMT -5
Ellie goulding is still not a household name (in the US at least, far from it). the young generation of ex disney pop stars like ariana demi selena are also not there yet, no matter how much pop radio have been trying to make them happen, they arent happening yet (aside from taylor swift of course). the old guards are still the top dogs. It wasnt like the late 90s-early 2000 when britney xtina avril kelly beyonce burst into the scene n just took over pop landscape.
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Post by #brayden on Jan 8, 2016 21:39:29 GMT -5
That list means nothing. Jennifer Lopez at #2... and The Beatles? I don't recall Pink and Usher doing a whole lot of anything in 2015 either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 22:09:49 GMT -5
N score is used by brands, talent and content developers to understand endorsement value.
Surprised Shakira isn't on the list.
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 9, 2016 0:26:01 GMT -5
That list means nothing. Jennifer Lopez at #2... and The Beatles? I don't recall Pink and Usher doing a whole lot of anything in 2015 either. It has nothing to do with what they "did" in 2015, it's just when the poll was conducted. Kelly being top ten is surprising, but millennialist aren't the youngest generation listening to music anymore, either. And I don't even know what you mean by meaning nothing. The parameters are pretty clearly stated... I guess I remember why I stopped bothering with this place.
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Post by #brayden on Jan 9, 2016 9:04:51 GMT -5
That list means nothing. Jennifer Lopez at #2... and The Beatles? I don't recall Pink and Usher doing a whole lot of anything in 2015 either. It has nothing to do with what they "did" in 2015, it's just when the poll was conducted. Kelly being top ten is surprising, but millennialist aren't the youngest generation listening to music anymore, either. And I don't even know what you mean by meaning nothing. The parameters are pretty clearly stated... I guess I remember why I stopped bothering with this place. I'm aware of the parameters. My apologies for questioning the legitimacy of a list that ranks Jennifer Lopez as the #2 musical artist in terms of likeability, awareness, influence and trendsetting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 12:31:41 GMT -5
Re: the Nielsen list: Nielsen itself says it is all used "to understand endorsement value." I.e it is literally "here are the singers who can sell the most product to this age group." You don't have to be the most influential person musically to influence people to buy something, you know? In that respect the most impressive appearances are Adele (who doesn't sell anything, other than herself) and The Beatles (who can't sell anything other than themselves, and are 1-2 generations separated from that 18-34 demographic, to boot). The positive association with their names must be extremely powerful and carrying over to items that they aren't even officially linked to. But then you have someone like Rihanna for example, who may influence the style trends we find the most fashionable, but apparently is not actually influencing most people's purchasing habits in pursuit of those trends. Hence her absence from this list. But I would be interested in seeing a more explicit breakdown of the demographics for people surveyed beyond just age; to respond to kmbgs' post I wonder if Rihanna and Jay-Z have more endorsement power among different demographics than the majority of those surveyed for that top 10 list. I'm also a bit surprised to not see Carrie, but again wonder if the demos surveyed may play a role in it. Ariana's reach probably doesn't extend far enough beyond 18-21 year olds, but I wouldn't be surprised if she showed up on a 12-18 list. Ellie just isn't enough of a household name yet, despite having a few hits under her belt. I'm 33 and I see Kelly, P!nk, and Usher's names come up in the most random of places sometimes, like when I logged into my Lexis student account yesterday to check my rewards points and was immediately greeted with a Citizen watch and Kelly's face (makes sense - law school is a prime market for future luxury watch owners). The only other advertisements in that changing banner space were for items like Calphalon cookware, Kate Spade, and GoPro cameras - all the kind of high-end stuff you hope to get some future lawyers hooked on before they go out in the world and start making the money to pay for the stuff with money and not rewards points. I guess that's why I'm not so caught off guard by this list; if Kelly's name ever does come up in conjunction with a product it's never in a 'cheap' or low-end manner. Kelly sells well to middle class or upper-middle class people who aren't flashy or brand name whores, but like familiarity, quality, and longevity and will purchase the same thing for the rest of their lives if they like it the first time. Same with Usher and P!nk, too - in some ways their lowkey (when not on stage) nature boosts their branding power because there's a subconscious feeling of selectivity. "Well if P!nk's selling this brand it must be good, she has zero tolerance for bulls**t." "Usher clearly likes to treat himself well so I don't think he'd put his name on something low-grade." "Kelly fought against her label just to make the music she wants, so surely she wouldn't let someone push her into an advertisement for something if she didn't believe in it." Indeed, I would associate every single person on this list with a perception of quality. I would not necessarily buy each person's music, but I'm much more likely to at least look into something they endorse b/c I have made a positive association with their image and the likelihood of them only advertising quality products. (Of course, it also helps to stay in your lane. I wouldn't dare trust Kelly to sell me some clothes ) I get the sense that she is still pretty visible and has a positive, targeted image to people in their late 20s and 30s (i.e. people who were young themselves when she was at her peak popularity and have grown up with her) so there really isn't a reason for her to not be on this list. Younger people probably don't have a negative impression of her either, but are more likely to be neutral to her; hence the placement at the lower end of it.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Jan 10, 2016 13:30:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 13:51:18 GMT -5
Loveeeee seeing Kelly and Gwen together! Bye Miranda. Just kidding. You can hang with me Miranda.
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Post by Revelry on Jan 10, 2016 14:49:28 GMT -5
I love the idea of Kelly and Gwen being friends! Kelly looks pretty good too for being 6 months pregnant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 14:58:42 GMT -5
She is so getting a chair on The Voice in the next 2 years.
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Post by BDGeek on Jan 10, 2016 15:13:46 GMT -5
Hope she and Gwen are hanging out for a collab. Give us a 2005 throwback jam, ladies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 17:29:31 GMT -5
So Blake got to keep Kelly in the divorce proceedings. Well, I suppose we already knew that when we found out Brandon is Kelly's manager.
I can't help but wonder what the other ladies at church had to say about Gwen's dress, lol.
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Post by bitchplease on Jan 10, 2016 17:44:49 GMT -5
Omg those kelly-gwen pics are giving me life!!! Whats up miranda??? She must be fuming lol im waiting for the press to pick this up & freak out over her weight 3..2..1...
I knew blake-miranda were officially an item when kelly randomly tweeted about Used To Love You haha.
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Post by xline06 on Jan 11, 2016 8:28:52 GMT -5
Wow! Never thought that band! Will Kelly lose weight like Gwen after her 2nd baby?! I'm so expected to seeing it someday!
Please, duet with Gwen as a queen duo in pop field.
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