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Post by Future Captain on Dec 23, 2014 7:11:41 GMT -5
^The guy (The article writer) is totally underestimating Taylor Swift
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 8:27:56 GMT -5
^Yes, it was an error to say that.
Adding streaming makes sense.
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Post by brady47 on Dec 23, 2014 16:37:46 GMT -5
Lol, this is when the article gets a little desperate...
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Post by brady47 on Dec 23, 2014 16:38:15 GMT -5
What do you guys think the new platinum should be? 500,000 copies? 750,000 copies?
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Post by Caviar on Dec 23, 2014 16:45:04 GMT -5
750k - plat 350 - gold
But that'll never happen because RIAA will incorporate streaming into their certifications which will help balance things out. Plus if they lower the certs it'll mislead the industry that music isn't being consumed as before, which isn't true since music is being consumed higher than ever before. It's just the METHOD at which music is being consumed keeps changing.
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Post by Duca on Dec 23, 2014 16:50:25 GMT -5
Adding streaming would make the certifications completely useless, just like the current Billboard 200.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 17:25:09 GMT -5
What do you guys think the new platinum should be? 500,000 copies? 750,000 copies? That's not what the article is saying. It talks about adding streaming to the album certifications. Not lowering requirements...
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Post by kanimal on Dec 23, 2014 18:41:16 GMT -5
On the one hand, now that charts are starting to reflect SEA and TEA data, it would be hard for me to get mad at the RIAA for incorporating it as well. I do think the methodology would need to be a bit more specific to really reflect *album interest* rather than *single interest,* but I'm not outright opposed to some sort of inclusion.
But the article itself frustrates me for two reasons:
1) The point about how Taylor might not go platinum in the future. First of all, her new album will outsell her last two. So this is the worst time possible to make that point. Second of all, I don't really see it as a PROBLEM that fewer albums will go platinum in the future. "Platinum" measures an album that sold (well - shipped) in excess of 1 million copies. It doesn't measure the top XX albums in a given year. If fewer albums are selling 1 million copies, fewer albums should go platinum. I don't see why there's any NEED to handicap today's playing field just because the album market isn't as hot as it once was. Why should we cheapen the past accomplishment of selling 1 million or overstate current sales figures?
Platinum isn't an adjective to describe an album that sold comparatively well. It's a specific declaration of an album selling/shipping 1 million copies.
2) It ignores the more pressing problem that exists in the status quo: notably, the "shipment" thing. It's absolutely laughable that Ariana Grande's album is platinum with a sales count below 500K. Some albums aren't even *gold* with that sales total.
With the rise of digital sales and increased access to point-of-sale data, there's no need to rely on shipments anymore.
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Post by upsidedown on Dec 23, 2014 18:43:09 GMT -5
If they changed it or added anything, wouldn't that change all past certifications?
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Post by kanimal on Dec 23, 2014 18:48:00 GMT -5
If they changed it or added anything, wouldn't that change all past certifications? It's tricky. If I had an album that didn't go platinum in the past but would have with streaming points, I'd argue that it should be retroactively certified. But technically, if people are arguing that the landscape has *changed,* they're arguing that 1500 streams (or whatever # the RIAA chooses) *today* is precisely equivalent to 1 sale yesterday. As such, they shouldn't need to adjust anything, because the new rule change is supposed to be a correction based on current market conditions - not a handicap. The second the RIAA retroactively certifies albums based on streams is the second the RIAA admits that it's doing the streaming thing to boost the # of certifications rather than to more accurately measure the market.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 18:48:39 GMT -5
If they changed it or added anything, wouldn't that change all past certifications? When they started certifying digital singles with streaming, the RIAA did not change past certifications. Labels have to request it. Labels request an audit. The RIAA does an audit. Label pays $350. RIAA certifies single/album/video.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 18:50:32 GMT -5
On the one hand, now that charts are starting to reflect SEA and TEA data, it would be hard for me to get mad at the RIAA for incorporating it as well. I do think the methodology would need to be a bit more specific to really reflect *album interest* rather than *single interest,* but I'm not outright opposed to some sort of inclusion. But the article itself frustrates me for two reasons: 1) The point about how Taylor might not go platinum in the future. First of all, her new album will outsell her last two. So this is the worst time possible to make that point. Second of all, I don't really see it as a PROBLEM that fewer albums will go platinum in the future. "Platinum" measures an album that sold (well - shipped) in excess of 1 million copies. It doesn't measure the top XX albums in a given year. If fewer albums are selling 1 million copies, fewer albums should go platinum. I don't see why there's any NEED to handicap today's playing field just because the album market isn't as hot as it once was. Why should we cheapen the past accomplishment of selling 1 million or overstate current sales figures? Platinum isn't an adjective to describe an album that sold comparatively well. It's a specific declaration of an album selling/shipping 1 million copies. 2) It ignores the more pressing problem that exists in the status quo: notably, the "shipment" thing. It's absolutely laughable that Ariana Grande's album is platinum with a sales count below 500K. Some albums aren't even *gold* with that sales total. With the rise of digital sales and increased access to point-of-sale data, there's no need to rely on shipments anymore. More cds are sold each week than digital albums. Shipments still matter.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 23, 2014 18:52:04 GMT -5
On the one hand, now that charts are starting to reflect SEA and TEA data, it would be hard for me to get mad at the RIAA for incorporating it as well. I do think the methodology would need to be a bit more specific to really reflect *album interest* rather than *single interest,* but I'm not outright opposed to some sort of inclusion. But the article itself frustrates me for two reasons: 1) The point about how Taylor might not go platinum in the future. First of all, her new album will outsell her last two. So this is the worst time possible to make that point. Second of all, I don't really see it as a PROBLEM that fewer albums will go platinum in the future. "Platinum" measures an album that sold (well - shipped) in excess of 1 million copies. It doesn't measure the top XX albums in a given year. If fewer albums are selling 1 million copies, fewer albums should go platinum. I don't see why there's any NEED to handicap today's playing field just because the album market isn't as hot as it once was. Why should we cheapen the past accomplishment of selling 1 million or overstate current sales figures? Platinum isn't an adjective to describe an album that sold comparatively well. It's a specific declaration of an album selling/shipping 1 million copies. 2) It ignores the more pressing problem that exists in the status quo: notably, the "shipment" thing. It's absolutely laughable that Ariana Grande's album is platinum with a sales count below 500K. Some albums aren't even *gold* with that sales total. With the rise of digital sales and increased access to point-of-sale data, there's no need to rely on shipments anymore. More cds are sold each week than digital albums. Shipments still matter. Soundscan data > Shipment data for reflecting end-user sales. If it weren't, Nielsen wouldn't have as valuable a role in the music business, and Billboard would be significantly less important than it is.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 18:55:28 GMT -5
^The RIAA does not use SoundScan figures.
Labels show the RIAA their shipment figures.
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Post by kanimal on Dec 23, 2014 19:02:50 GMT -5
^The RIAA does not use SoundScan figures. Labels show the RIAA their shipment figures. My only point was that a better system can be used to measure sales. Not sure where we're disagreeing. Per the Tweet several of you posted back when Ariana went platinum, I seem to recall that the RIAA casually talks about "sales" when addressing its Gold & Platinum program (I'm sure the fine print says shipments). Why shouldn't we be looking for a more accurate means of measuring those sales? (Yes, you can argue that a shipment is a "sale" since a distributor bought it, but there's a very clear implication that "sales" = end-user buys. That also gets you as close as possible to an apples-to-apples comparison between albums). All I'm saying is that if you have a system in which an album that was actually sold 400,000 times is certified as selling 1 million copies, while other albums that sold 400,000 copies aren't even certified as selling 500,000, you have a flawed system.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 19:09:45 GMT -5
^Yes, but Ariana is the exception. Not the norm...
This over-certification rarely happens.
And a lot of labels don't care.
Katy Perry's Prism still hasn't been certified Gold. Capitol Records can't pay $350?
Michael Buble's 3.7 million selling Christmas album hasn't been certified Gold.
We have spent more time discussing album certifications here than most labels do in a whole month. LOL
But, album certs. were on an upswing in 2014. 120 album certifications in 2014 vs. 114 in 2013.
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Post by brady47 on Dec 23, 2014 20:28:34 GMT -5
What do you guys think the new platinum should be? 500,000 copies? 750,000 copies? That's not what the article is saying. It talks about adding streaming to the album certifications. Not lowering requirements... I know... hence why I didn't quote the article for my comment...
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Post by brady47 on Dec 23, 2014 20:30:08 GMT -5
If they changed it or added anything, wouldn't that change all past certifications? In Canada, when they changed the definition of platinum from 100000 to 80000 units, only albums released after a certain date had the rule applied to them.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 20:39:24 GMT -5
The RIAA is not going to lower certification levels.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 23, 2014 21:11:13 GMT -5
If they changed it or added anything, wouldn't that change all past certifications? No. When they started certifying digital singles with streaming, past certifications did not change. Than why did the RIAA certify 56 songs spanning a number of decades when they changed it to include On-Demand streams?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 23, 2014 21:29:25 GMT -5
^The new certs were requested by the label.
I thought the poster was asking if the RIAA would automatically change past certifications because of new requirements.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 23, 2014 21:32:35 GMT -5
^The new certs were requested by the label. I thought the poster was asking if the RIAA would automatically change past certifications because of new requirements. You might want to change your wording since it makes it seem like a flat out NO to re-certifying past singles with the new change. It can happen but the label has to do it.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 7, 2015 10:57:26 GMT -5
December RIAA Album Certifications
Lorde, Pure Heroine 2xP
Eric Church, The Outsiders 1xP Jason Aldean, Old Boots New Dirt 1xP Ariana Grande, My Everything 1xP
Eminem, ShadyXV, Gold (2cd album) Ariana Grande, My Everything Gold Florida Georgia Line, Anything Goes Gold Pentatonix, That's Christmas To me Gold Tobymac, Eye On It Gold Now 45 Gold AWOLnation, Megalithic Symphony Gold
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 15, 2015 13:32:34 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's 1989 was certified Gold, Platinum, 2xP and 3xP at the end of November, but they are only announcing it now! Weird.
RIAA.com:
SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 03, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard GOLD ALBUM SOLO
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 15, 2015 14:44:36 GMT -5
Here are all the 2014 RIAA certifications: riaa.com/media/F9C78D3A-8C2E-0683-211F-23226A256FB5.pdf206 - Multi-Platinum digital single certifications 167 - Platinum digital single certifications 275 - Gold digital single certifications =648 digital single certifications 30 - Multi-Platinum album certifications 35 - Platinum album certifications 62 - Gold album certifications = 127 album certifications 3 - Platinum single certifications 5 - Gold single certifications = 8 single certifications 6 - Multi-Platinum longform video certifications 5 - Platinum longform video certifications 6 - Gold longform video certifications = 17 longform video certifications 8 - Multi-Platinum Latin album certifications 9 - Platinum Latin album certifications 24 - Gold Latin album certifications = 41 Latin album certifications 2 - Multi-Platinum Latin digital single certifications 5 - Platinum Latin digital single certifications 5 - Gold Latin digital single certifications = 12 Latin digital single certifications = 853 total RIAA certifications in 2014
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 15, 2015 15:44:38 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's 1989 was certified Gold, Platinum, 2xP and 3xP at the end of November, but they are only announcing it now! Weird. RIAA.com: SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 26, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard PLATINUM ALBUM SOLO SWIFT, TAYLOR 1989 October 27, 2014 November 03, 2014 BIG MACHINE RECORDS, INC. Standard GOLD ALBUM SOLO Four times platinum now!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 15, 2015 16:13:54 GMT -5
^Has it been confirmed?
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 15, 2015 16:20:03 GMT -5
You would think since 1989 just scanned four million.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 15, 2015 16:39:00 GMT -5
^1989 will hit 4 million scanned next week.
We have to wait until the label or the RIAA announces it.
Big Machine should be certifying Taylor's "Holiday Collection" Platinum since it has scanned 1 million.
Fearless could also be 7xP.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 22, 2015 4:18:52 GMT -5
You have to adjust for time….someday they may literally have nothing to certify. They are literally certifying 3 albums a year platinum. It is making the RIAA pointless.
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