darko95
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Post by darko95 on Feb 16, 2014 20:39:05 GMT -5
She should word with Zedd, Aviici, and Stuart Price. Also, I would co-write with Bonnie McKee, Hayley Williams, and Matthew Koma.
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HolidayGuy
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 16, 2014 21:11:08 GMT -5
Back around the Erotica era, M used to say how ageism was a problem, especially when one hit the age of 40. She showed everyone that she wasn't going to stop, and even though it's an even more ageist world now (at least in the music industry and U.S. radio), shes still doing her thing.
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Post by Wolfy on Feb 16, 2014 22:52:11 GMT -5
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Post by कामसूत्र on Feb 16, 2014 23:00:55 GMT -5
The fans of the younger pop stars are often looking for M's old videos. Live Nation should delete her old videos from all over youtube and reupload them in HD on M's VEVO account. I sometimes wonder if they don't even have access to good quality copies of her older videos. I know some of them could be sourced from the prior DVD releases, but of course the ones on Celebration were of questionable quality. It seems like that just isn't a priority for them. One of the previous incarnations of Madonna's own website had most of her music videos being streamed (this is in the early to mid 2000s). I think a few of them were even on YouTube at one time, but then there was some rights issue associated with all of WB's videos so many of them were removed and taken down for at least a year (maybe it was longer).
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 21, 2014 11:15:19 GMT -5
The Immaculate Collection is part of Amazon.com's $5 sales. It's currently at No. 7 on its paid MP3 Albums chart.
Not sure how big Amazon mp3 sales are in terms of reappearances on the chart, but even if it misses the BB 20, maybe it can eke onto the catalog top 50.
For older titles, I'm more interested in number of weeks in the catalog top 50. Sure, it's nice to re-enter the overall chart, but because catalog titles have only been allowed to re-enter since December 2009, I find more interest in looking at the catalog weeks.
At 283 weeks in the catalog top 50 (+the 141 it initially spent on the BB 200), that's 424 cumulative weeks. :'(
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Feb 21, 2014 12:19:04 GMT -5
The New Yorker Exclusive: Nile Rodgers wants to work with his best friend Madonna after revealing he’ll be making more music than ever after beating cancer. The 61-year-old Chic star wants to team up with Madge again, having previously hit the studio with her on her Like A Virgin album. ‘I adore Madonna. If she ever wants to work, I am totally down,’ he said, adding that she had helped him kick drugs two decades ago. ‘For a gazillion years I have always said she is the hardest-working person I have ever worked with. She is the most dedicated. The most focused and I absolutely adore her.’
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Post by floridagrl on Feb 21, 2014 21:38:37 GMT -5
The New Yorker Exclusive: Nile Rodgers wants to work with his best friend Madonna after revealing he’ll be making more music than ever after beating cancer. The 61-year-old Chic star wants to team up with Madge again, having previously hit the studio with her on her Like A Virgin album. ‘I adore Madonna. If she ever wants to work, I am totally down,’ he said, adding that she had helped him kick drugs two decades ago. ‘For a gazillion years I have always said she is the hardest-working person I have ever worked with. She is the most dedicated. The most focused and I absolutely adore her.’ That's because she is The Queen of ALL Things Music......writing/producing/singing--albums and singles, videos and touring!
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Feb 22, 2014 17:31:16 GMT -5
Nile Rodgers would be AWESOME. There are so many good songwriters/producers out there for her to work with. Really hope she doesn't go for the dregs left behind by CHR's eurotrash fascination.
It's a given she won't get massive radio numbers so she could at least do something interesting.
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Post by grandelf on Feb 23, 2014 2:40:10 GMT -5
It's a given she won't get massive radio numbers so she could at least do something interesting. Yeah, there are dozens of options for that instead of using an old collaborator. Wendy Melvoin played the guitar in She's Not Me, that was pretty new for Madonna, she should do more collaborations like that. Not to mention that William Orbit made some nasty comments after MDNA because he did not get the expected commercial results from the project so hopefully that was a good lesson for her not to use past collaborators again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 3:20:14 GMT -5
I think this woman has it in her to do an album every bit as good as her best that's also suitable for today's market. Whether it's commercially successful or not is a different story, but you never just "lose" that creative spark and passion. I hope she can find some kind of inspiration for this record, because her last two just didn't cut it for me.
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Post by So Pure on Feb 23, 2014 10:39:51 GMT -5
I hope that this new album is the primary focus this year for her. W/E is what caused MDNA to feel like an after thought IMO. I'm excited about the possibility of a Patrick Leonard collaboration. She's seem to go in and make it more personal when she writes with him. The melodies are always crazy beautiful too. The key will be finding a producer that brings something fresh to the table.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 23, 2014 13:17:53 GMT -5
The Immaculate Collection is hanging in the Amazon mp3 top 10 (at No. 7).
Hoping she can bring that Madonna magic to a full album, and not select tracks with the next effort.
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Post by think pink. on Feb 23, 2014 13:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 23, 2014 13:45:16 GMT -5
Always will be some who think people should "act their age," but no denying that, in typical Madonna fashion, she's challenging conventional thought.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Feb 23, 2014 14:13:16 GMT -5
She can act whatever age she likes as long as the material is good.
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Post by harry on Feb 24, 2014 1:29:42 GMT -5
I'd love to see her experiment with people like Ariel Rechtshaid or Blood Orange. Creating something like they did with Haim and Solange respectively would be a nice homage to her late 80s work in a fresh way.
Although mostly I'd love for her to strip down her sound again. A lot of her newer songs have good bases but suffer from overproduction.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 26, 2014 10:49:53 GMT -5
I saw LAV and LAP at Walmart yesterday for $5 each.
TIC was also on the shelf priced at $9.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 26, 2014 12:21:23 GMT -5
TIC has dropped from the top 10 on Amazon's MP3 chart, currently at No. 14 (it had dropped as low as 18). On the physical-albums chart, the CD ($6.99) is only No. 606. Guess the $1.99 difference is making those interested pick up the MP3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 19:20:59 GMT -5
I would be just fine with the next album Written by Madonna and Patrick Leonard/Produced by Madonna, Nile Rodgers and Giorgio Moroder I want some hot lush retro groove with her showing she can "sang" Let her save all the weird edm for the remixes
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Feb 26, 2014 21:53:40 GMT -5
I agree. Give us something that is revolutionary different but also classic Madonna with sound and lyrics with passion and true excitement.
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Post by Carlitoz on Feb 27, 2014 9:56:19 GMT -5
Hopefully she goes with an amazing edgy producer that has not exploded yet in the pop world so she can be THE ONE bringing new sounds to mainstream as she used to. I think I read somewhere that she wanted to go with Daft Punk or Disclosure. I love those bands, but they are already big, "old news". She's going to be one more on a long list of people who I'm sure want to collaborate with them. She gotta find the next big thing and stop following pop trends.
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Post by grandelf on Feb 27, 2014 13:50:45 GMT -5
^She only did that with Mirwais and the dude who produced Revolver (DJ Frank E) but neither of them went onto having hitmaker careers. Everyone else was either a hitmaker or a remixer already used by other people. I always said this: had Madonna cared about new sounds and cutting edge stuff, she would have got William Orbit to produce her 1992 album after his Justify My Love remix. Instead, she kept using Shep Pettibone and Erotica was mainly riding the coattails of the Express Yourself remix, Vogue and Justify My Love. Only years later she used him, after going through the R'n'B and AC phase and when techno was IT in the UK and as her fanbase was faltering in Europe. So basically expecting Madonna to do anything else than follow trends or stay in her own comfort zone for her 14th album and after 30 years of recording is pretty pointless, but unfortunately these myths and expectations will live on until she retires...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 27, 2014 20:38:47 GMT -5
She's had three studio albums in which she worked with established/"hot" producers- Like a Virgin (for which Nile Rodgers produced the whole album), Bedtime Stories (which had Babyface, Dallas Austin and Dave Hall, amidst the Nellee Hooper input) and Hard Candy (Timbaland, Timberlake and Pharrell).
Orbit wasn't some producer used by everyone when she worked with him on ROL. Same with Stuart Price when she worked with him on COADF (after he had worked with her prior, via mixes and tours). Patrick Leonard also wasn't a big producer when he collaborated with Madonna in the 80s. And the same goes for Stephen Bray and others from the early days.
Even on MDNA, Martin Solveig was a relatively new producer- what else was he known for other than "Hello"?
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Post by grandelf on Feb 28, 2014 13:43:01 GMT -5
That's still an arbitrary distinction. Stuart Price won a Grammy by the time COADF was recorded, plus that album featured Bloodshy + Avant who gave a top 10 hit for Britney. Music had Guy Sigsworth who was Bjork's longtime producer alongside Nellee Hooper. Now MDNA had Benassi, Jean-Baptiste, Jimmy Harry and Klas Ahlund who were also established hitmakers. Not to mention David Foster from the Something To Remember project, he's probably the biggest hit factory Madonna ever associated herself with.
And just because William Orbit or Stuart Price did not have Billboard Hot 100 hits attached to their names before Madonna, it does not mean what they created was something new for the mainstream, COADF is basically a retro-tribute album to 1980s synth pop and ROL was often compared to Kylie's Impossible Princess and other UK based acts at the time.
Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray, sure I agree on them, but those two never really had a "sound" (on LAP Bray was being influenced by Prince anyway), it's since Vogue she's been doing the "jumping from sound to sound" method, except that she stayed longer with Shep Pettibone and Mirwais (coincidentally those projects were less successful) and MDNA was a result of 7-8 different collaborators.
I don't know, I just think her fantastic music can be still enjoyed without these myths and pretending she's better than any female act and she has more input in the instrumentations of her songs because the names in the booklets of her CDs never included Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis or Jermaine Dupri or that anything she does is her own decision without a huge label, management etc behind her working on the Madonna brand. I'm just hoping her next album will be more enjoyable to me than her latest, same goes for the live stuff.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 28, 2014 14:18:55 GMT -5
Saying that she's usually worked with producers who were not the "hot" ones of the moment is a fact- she didn't. And she probably does have more control/say in what goes on in her career than others- and when they can't come to an agreement, nothing happens (witness the "Amazing"/"Impressive Instant" single debate).
Indeed Foster was a hit machine- she worked with him on two tracks. While enjoyable, the work done with the biggest hitmakers do not end up as her most acclaimed. (LAV project being an exception, and the first album, which included R&B hitmaker Reggie Lucas as one of the collabortators).
Whether she's "better" than other female acts- that's up to an individual to decide that. One certainly can see she's more revered, critically, and regarded as more important than others- that's a different thing.
As for LAP- Prince appeared on one track and played guitar on multiple ones. So, there probably was an influence from him, as well as the ones M stated (Sly & the Family Stone, Simon and Garfunkel, etc.)
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 28, 2014 16:06:23 GMT -5
Madonna has often times offered the top 40 genre a curveball and that is just simply a fact. It is one of the critical reasons as to why she was an exciting artist. When she was first played on the radio people assumed she was a black artist. Holiday while not an oddball song now was not exactly a common type of song to be played on top 40 radio in 1983! You have to consider the time and everything not just rather it had never ever been done before. Like A Prayer started to show her do more edgy material and deal with controversial themes. In the 90s Madonna became more and more edgy for a top 40 pop star. She was often ahead of the curve in bringing new things to the top 40 landscape.
Ray of Light was like nothing on top 40 in 1998, no other mainstream top 40 act was doing that sound. It was a sound relegated to club music and rave parties but not top 40 radio. Confessions was a updated throwback sound, however no one at top 40 was doing that at the time.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 28, 2014 18:25:18 GMT -5
^Yes, Confessions came out and then people started making dance music again...
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Post by grandelf on Mar 1, 2014 2:44:52 GMT -5
Ray of Light was like nothing on top 40 in 1998, no other mainstream top 40 act was doing that sound. It was a sound relegated to club music and rave parties but not top 40 radio. Confessions was a updated throwback sound, however no one at top 40 was doing that at the time. Strictly *American* top 40 yes, but I still don't see how this is a barometer to quality or to personal taste. To me this argument will always be about "my idol is better than yours even if she gets less airplay and sales". Also, Get Together sounds like a Daft Punk song that came out five years prior and Future Lovers referenced I Feel Love similar way Kylie did also 5 years earlier so like I said these credits fans tend to give Madonna are really not holding much ground. It's a lot simpler to say "her music is great" and leave it at that.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 1, 2014 11:03:08 GMT -5
I don't point to GT or FL when talking about Madonna being ahead of the curve or bringing something fresh to the pop landscape. In any event, GT also seemed to reference her own "Holiday," sonically. Daft Punk itself said M's first album influenced its current album, so everything comes back around in some form.
M is, first and foremost, a mainstream pop artist- but, what sets her apart from most is that she also has a foot in the avant-garde world, and has brought fresh stuff to the top 40 airwaves. She stated she wanted to merge art and commerce, and, really, no other mainstream act (female, at the least) has probably done it better. Whether it doesn't hold with you, grand- well, you're entitled to that opinion. :)
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Post by MiniMusic on Mar 1, 2014 13:12:26 GMT -5
I don't really know what's going on in this argument but yes, Madonna has always brought new sounds to the top 40. I don't see how this could even be a debate; when Ray of Light was released nobody in the mainstream business was doing that sound. Music, American Life and Confessions are all albums that were going off the curve of what was popular at the time. ESPECIALLY Confessions when in 2005 urban and R&B sound was really taking over. Madonna has, 90% of the time, taken her own road musically.
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