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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 15:25:28 GMT -5
Besides the stans... because clearly stans can justify anything now. If you take a look at her recent albums, you can clearly see the 5.7 million fans aren't buying her music. Lets face it, in the eyes of the General Pulic, she's over... Pulse isn't a good place to judge what people are actually talking about. Controversy is her claim to fame, and it has always been. She loves it because it gets people talking! Haven't you heard the expression "all publicity is good publicity"? Lets not go overboard now. Madonna's the biggest female artist since, well, ever. She's never going to be over. But she is making an ass out of herself and hopelessly out of touch. I know that she is a huge artist, she has a lot of epic moments in her career, and the controversys that have surrounded her throughout her career have only added to that, as it's a big part of why she's such a huge artist imo. In today's general public, I think she is over, but she is still talked about due to the controversy of course and her tours are really successful! Anyways, definitely agree with that last part!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 3, 2015 15:39:05 GMT -5
Not sure why some are giving her posts on social media that much consideration, anyhow- yeah, it's the of-the-moment, super-scrutinized world we're living in now. But she always has, and always will be, at her best when she's using her music, videos, stage shows, etc. as a medium to express herself- not only to entertain, but, when she chooses, to provoke discussion, have people hold a mirror up to themselves, whatever it may be. Rather than give her Internet silliness much thought, I now turn my attention to waiting for what's shaping up to be an impressive collection of music from Her Madgesty. (and "Living For Love" video, performance, etc.)
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 3, 2015 16:11:05 GMT -5
Meanwhile her Rebel Heart album preorder rebounds 12 spaces since yesterday evening.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 3, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
I think what she's doing is great. Sure it's a little over the top, but she has every justifiable right to reference those legends cuz she is one of them. I think some of the hatred stems from the fact that no other artist, not Mariah, not Gaga, not Britney, or anyone else, can reference them and expect to be seen on the same level. It would be career suicide and quite a joke.
Madonna is on that level, so it all makes sense to me.
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 16:54:56 GMT -5
I think what she's doing is great. Sure it's a little over the top, but she has every justifiable right to reference those legends cuz she is one of them. I think some of the hatred stems from the fact that no other artist, not Mariah, not Gaga, not Britney, or anyone else, can reference them and expect to be seen on the same level. It would be career suicide and quite a joke. Madonna is on that level, so it all makes sense to me. Sorry to burst the stan bubble here, but in NO WAY is Madonna comparable to 3 of the most influential people in history that have fought for civil rights + a religious icon. She is a musician, and she has done a lot in the music/entertainment industry, but that does not even come close to the impact that the people she has listed have left on the world... sorry, but no.
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Post by think pink. on Jan 3, 2015 17:02:32 GMT -5
"Living For Love" is her best single since "Hung Up".
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 3, 2015 17:19:05 GMT -5
I think what she's doing is great. Sure it's a little over the top, but she has every justifiable right to reference those legends cuz she is one of them. I think some of the hatred stems from the fact that no other artist, not Mariah, not Gaga, not Britney, or anyone else, can reference them and expect to be seen on the same level. It would be career suicide and quite a joke. Madonna is on that level, so it all makes sense to me. Sorry to burst the stan bubble here, but in NO WAY is Madonna comparable to 3 of the most influential people in history that have fought for civil rights + a religious icon. She is a musician, and she has done a lot in the music/entertainment industry, but that does not even come close to the impact that the people she has listed have left on the world... sorry, but no. I guess you and Madonna are in agreement since she stated several times that she is not comparing herself to those civil rights leaders….just like I doubt she is comparing herself to a cartoon character like Homer Simpson. Anyways….can someone send me a pm when this board goes back to being about music LMAO!
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 17:25:45 GMT -5
Sorry to burst the stan bubble here, but in NO WAY is Madonna comparable to 3 of the most influential people in history that have fought for civil rights + a religious icon. She is a musician, and she has done a lot in the music/entertainment industry, but that does not even come close to the impact that the people she has listed have left on the world... sorry, but no. I guess you and Madonna are in agreement since she stated several times that she is not comparing herself to those civil rights leaders….just like I doubt she is comparing herself to a cartoon character like Homer Simpson. Anyways….can someone send me a pm when this board goes back to being about music LMAO! Well, I wasn't responding to Madonna, I was responding to SPREE...
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 3, 2015 17:38:23 GMT -5
I guess you and Madonna are in agreement since she stated several times that she is not comparing herself to those civil rights leaders….just like I doubt she is comparing herself to a cartoon character like Homer Simpson. Anyways….can someone send me a pm when this board goes back to being about music LMAO! Well, I wasn't responding to Madonna, I was responding to SPREE... Im aware of that…. Madonna said she does not see herself on that level or in comparison with those men, just like you just said.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 3, 2015 18:04:15 GMT -5
I think it's quite simple. Madonna has and is very passionate about her project Art for Freedom and it has been said that her album is influenced by that. She's not over the top or misguided or out to hurt anyone. She has been posting inspirational and admiring photos of many, what she feels, as "freedom fighters" all year. Her goal is justice and freedom. When I first saw those photos, I was not "shocked or offended or felt she was using them for her gain. I felt compassion from her.. Is it just possible that she genuinely loves these men and women for their brave lives to make a difference and wants to express her admiration and respect for them?? Nothing more or less? Of course it's possible. Of course it's possibe for all of us to feel the same way. That being said, bring on the best music and era from her.
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 18:21:02 GMT -5
If she wanted to truly admire them, then she wouldn't be posting them on Instagram with her bondage lace shit on their face and using the hastag #RebelHeart on every post... just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 18:27:01 GMT -5
Madonna should immediately close all her social media accounts, should only date men her age, apologize for all her past transgressions against our good society, cover up her old body parts, sing age-appropriate tunes and leave the profanity laced EDM to the youngsters, and limit the RH photoshop to historical figures within her own race group like Einstein, Freud, or Margaret Thatcher. Do we need to add anything else? Oh silly me, I forgot: she should re-record the vocals on LFL. Now I think that covers it.
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Post by August on Jan 3, 2015 18:27:38 GMT -5
I think if it was any other artist, it would not be so dissected and critiqued. Critics and non-fans are always looking to read the negative into it because they love to slag off Madonna. I think it was all well-intentioned.
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 18:32:55 GMT -5
I don't think she should be posting ANY historical figures with her tacky photoshop just to sell a few more copies, it's stupid and tacky.
And Madonna is most certainly NOT the only artist who gets critiqued often, and if any other artist did this (well, a mainstream artist obviously) they would be heavily criticized for it too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 18:51:12 GMT -5
Madonna deserves the most criticism of them all because of her stupid, tacky antics like writhing around in a wedding dress, making out with an actor portraying a black saint, fellating an evian bottle, hitchhiking nude, protesting the Iraqi war with that tacky American Life vid, making out with Britney who could be her granddaughter, adopting African babies, singing a cheesy pop song while faking crucifixion, showing her old granny breasts, whew this is endless. Down with the granny who slept her way to the top. She needs to be checked!
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 18:55:23 GMT -5
Madonna deserves the most criticism of them all because of her stupid, tacky antics like writhing around in a wedding dress, making out with an actor portraying a black saint, fellating an evian bottle, hitchhiking nude, protesting the Iraqi war with that tacky American Life vid, making out with Britney who could be her granddaughter, adopting black babies, singing a cheesy pop song while faking crucifixion, showing her old granny breasts, whew this is endless. Down with the granny who slept her way to the top. She needs to be checked! I don't see anything wrong with the bolded item, but the rest are things she is free to do, and if she needs to do that to get attention, she can, but that doesn't mean I have to be a fan of it... I think the comments that Janet Jackson & Cher both made about Madonna in interviews were pretty spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 19:06:08 GMT -5
well those things are her a huge facet of her career, which is why she is more than an entertainer like janet or cher. madonna is like the good old u.s. of a. she does things her own way even if it means stepping on everyone else's toes.
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 3, 2015 19:29:24 GMT -5
I thought Cher was known as a hot mess on her twitter? LOL
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Post by fhscott100 on Jan 3, 2015 19:35:14 GMT -5
Wow it's kind of depressing to read all the drama about her IG posts. She's just re-posting photos her fans made with her #rebelheart theme. I don't see what's wrong with that, she has been doing that for over a week now and all of her idols have appeared.
On a more positive note, I'm happy with the new era so far. She seems to be really into it this time. The music is great and the next few months sound very promising :)
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Post by Dreams on Jan 3, 2015 19:38:40 GMT -5
RE her social media postings- I've found some of her postings to be on the silly side, especially when she uses "thug" language. But, hey, she's an unapolegetic bitch, so...She apologized though. lol
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 3, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -5
Wow it's kind of depressing to read all the drama about her IG posts. She's just re-posting photos her fans made with her #rebelheart theme. I don't see what's wrong with that, she has been doing that for over a week now and all of her idols have appeared. On a more positive note, I'm happy with the new era so far. She seems to be really into it this time. The music is great and the next few months sound very promising :) this This THIS! Living for Logic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 19:47:27 GMT -5
I think what she's doing is great. Sure it's a little over the top, but she has every justifiable right to reference those legends cuz she is one of them. I think some of the hatred stems from the fact that no other artist, not Mariah, not Gaga, not Britney, or anyone else, can reference them and expect to be seen on the same level. It would be career suicide and quite a joke. Madonna is on that level, so it all makes sense to me. LMFAO Only on Pulse!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 3, 2015 20:06:50 GMT -5
Among celebrities/entertainers, Madonna certainly is at a very high level, and part of that is because she has gone above and beyond simply being an entertainer. That's why, aside from faring well on music/artists lists, she's featured on stuff like Greatest Americans, the Smithsonian's 100 Most Significant Americans, etc. etc. It's admirable that, through the years, she' shown that pop music, if one chooses, can say and mean something.
Dreams- I didn't really read her "I'm sorry" as the kind of apology some may want to hear- notice that it was just "I'm sorry," not "I'm sorry for..." Nothing to be sorry about- except perhaps being a bit overzealous with her posts.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jan 3, 2015 20:16:26 GMT -5
I think what she's doing is great. Sure it's a little over the top, but she has every justifiable right to reference those legends cuz she is one of them. I think some of the hatred stems from the fact that no other artist, not Mariah, not Gaga, not Britney, or anyone else, can reference them and expect to be seen on the same level. It would be career suicide and quite a joke. Madonna is on that level, so it all makes sense to me. LMFAO Only on Pulse! No I'm on Facebook and ATRL, too! lol
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 3, 2015 20:20:01 GMT -5
I wonder what she has in store for the "Living For Love" video. Hopefully some good ol' classic Madonna statement-making going on. Even though it's a break-up tune on the surface, it does have that universal sentiment that carries it higher.
There's so much negativity going on in the world, she may as well do something grand, video-wise, for a song called LIVING FOR LOVE.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 3, 2015 20:28:34 GMT -5
Nobody on UKMIX is making a fuss about this. FB and Twitter are high-fiving her. Non-Madonna fans on pulse seem to have the problem. I hope she keeps it up! "Being Destructive isn't brave......you couldn't say it to my face.. #joanofarc #rebelheart" -Madonna "Yes Princess Diana was. #rebelheart! Anyone who fights for freedom is a #rebelheart" -Madonna "Basquiat! Yes anoher #rebelheart !! Another person i look up to and admire. None of these #rebelhearts are perfect they are human and come from all walks of life but all have one thing in common. All Freedom Fighters! All Brave! And all have inspired me as an Artist and a Human. #revolutionoflove #artforfreedom #livingforlove #rebelheart" -Madonna Art For Freedom!
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Post by Oprah on Jan 3, 2015 20:30:35 GMT -5
LMFAO Only on Pulse! No I'm on Facebook and ATRL, too! lol And grindr, natch.
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 3, 2015 21:07:53 GMT -5
This topic of someone being relevant is getting silly….first, relevant has become one of the most overused words on these boards. Second, when you reach a certain level of fame and accomplishment, then you are beyond being relevant or not relevant. Madonna did not have a dozen hits for 5 to 8 years which is the average for a successful act….She is an icon , she does not need to worry about being relevant. You do not say legends are not relevant, it is silly to say such things.
Elvis will always be relevant, MJ ,The Beatles etc and Madonna is in that company. They may not be on the minds of teenagers, but guess what , they grow up and often will start to show appreciation for legendary acts. More than what teenagers listen to matter!
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Post by surfy on Jan 3, 2015 21:20:38 GMT -5
This topic of someone being relevant is getting silly….first, relevant has become one of the most overused words on these boards. Second, when you reach a certain level of fame and accomplishment, then you are beyond being relevant or not relevant. Madonna did not have a dozen hits for 5 to 8 years which is the average for a successful act….She is an icon , she does not need to worry about being relevant. You do not say legends are not relevant, it is silly to say such things. Elvis will always be relevant, MJ ,The Beatles etc and Madonna is in that company. They may not be on the minds of teenagers, but guess what , they grow up and often will start to show appreciation for legendary acts. More than what teenagers listen to matter! When we say "relevant", we mean talked about at the moment, iconic status or not, Madonna isn't talked about much anymore UNLESS a controversy happens that shoves her back into the public spotlight for 5 minutes. I do get what you're saying, but you're confusing relevancy with iconic status... It's like a really old #1 song, it's not at the top of the charts anymore (the chart represents relevancy), but it is still remembered (iconic status). Two different things. Anyways, if she doesn't have to worry about staying relevant then why does she TRY SO HARD to get noticed?!?
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Post by seaguy27 on Jan 3, 2015 21:26:01 GMT -5
This topic of someone being relevant is getting silly….first, relevant has become one of the most overused words on these boards. Second, when you reach a certain level of fame and accomplishment, then you are beyond being relevant or not relevant. Madonna did not have a dozen hits for 5 to 8 years which is the average for a successful act….She is an icon , she does not need to worry about being relevant. You do not say legends are not relevant, it is silly to say such things. Elvis will always be relevant, MJ ,The Beatles etc and Madonna is in that company. They may not be on the minds of teenagers, but guess what , they grow up and often will start to show appreciation for legendary acts. More than what teenagers listen to matter! When we say "relevant", we mean talked about at the moment, iconic status or not, Madonna isn't talked about much anymore UNLESS a controversy happens that shoves her back into the public spotlight for 5 minutes. I do get what you're saying, but you're confusing relevancy with iconic status... It's like a really old #1 song, it's not at the top of the charts anymore (the chart represents relevancy), but it is still remembered (iconic status). Two different things. Anyways, if she doesn't have to worry about staying relevant then why does she TRY SO HARD to get noticed?!? I thought every artist tries to get noticed? Is that not why they all try and become famous in the first place? Otherwise they could go sing at their local coffee shop. I personally think what people talk about depends on the age and who you are around. The media constantly talks about Kim Kardashian, however i know few people old or young in my personal circle that talks about her at all. Madonna is relevant or no one would be talking about this at all….If Carnie Wilson did this , literally no one would be talking about it! Also…for someone not currently talked about she sure does have significant threads on music message boards for an old chick! lol
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