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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 9:21:18 GMT -5
I had read that some said he did not mention Madonna when he mentioned those other acts. Why be on now, when there's really nothing to push? It would raise awareness some, but...
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 9:27:25 GMT -5
^ I don't know. For pre-orders? Download the 6 songs? Awareness? Not sure. I would think we would hear today. It is Wednesday already.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 9:31:15 GMT -5
"Don't be Angry Birds! #rebelhearts don't get mad they get shit done." -Madonna HAHA My favorite one so far!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 9:37:16 GMT -5
Those posts are getting to be a bit much for my taste, but, hey, she's obviously passionate about the concept, and I'm here for outstanding work, which it seems we're getting, so have at it, I guess.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 9:50:55 GMT -5
For years and years she was always so quiet, we never heard anything from her. I love how she has taken to social media. She is sharing everything. We knew song titles and album names and themes well in advance. I am glad about it.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 9:58:35 GMT -5
Contrary to media reports, Madonna's name was not mentioned this week by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon as a guest - expect a great promo campaign for Rebel Heart this year though!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 10:25:42 GMT -5
^Ya see. ;)
I'm glad I haven't listened to any RH demos. I'm old-school like that- I need some kind of anticipation for official releases.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 10:48:51 GMT -5
^I know. You're usually right about these things, HG.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 11:11:00 GMT -5
"#rebelhearts" -Madonna David is growing up. He is so cute! "Das Right! #rebelheart" -Madonna
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Post by chartfreak on Jan 7, 2015 13:04:01 GMT -5
Lol.. Exactly .. Wendy Williams is as bottom of the barrel as you get and so is her audience... Of course everyone know Madonna's coming out with a new album... and after jimmy fallon..the Grammys... Ellen talks about Madonna all the time... and I think she will do Dave Lettermen... I expect first week sales too be very strong. Did you mean to say that "not everyone knows a new album is coming out" because if so, I agree. It's months away. It's not like the GP are on Itunes or forums or follow the footsteps of every artist. It's totally ok, the album ain't dropping until March anyways!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 13:28:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't say "everyone" at all, either. Those active on social media and iTunes will know, yes.
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Post by xxzion72xx on Jan 7, 2015 13:32:40 GMT -5
Lol.. Exactly .. Wendy Williams is as bottom of the barrel as you get and so is her audience... Of course everyone know Madonna's coming out with a new album... and after jimmy fallon..the Grammys... Ellen talks about Madonna all the time... and I think she will do Dave Lettermen... I expect first week sales too be very strong. Did you mean to say that "not everyone knows a new album is coming out" because if so, I agree. It's months away. It's not like the GP are on Itunes or forums or follow the footsteps of every artist. It's totally ok, the album ain't dropping until March anyways! error.. Yes... That's what I meant...nobody really knows about the last few weeks except the diehards... That's why leaks don't matter either...the Grammys will introduce the album by itself.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 7, 2015 13:58:34 GMT -5
#livingformadonna
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Madonna's 'Rebel Heart' Reinforces Her Relevance Wednesday, Jan 7, 2015 by Jon Lisi madonna-rebel-heart.jpg Despite the detractors who insist that she gives it up, Madonna is determined to dominate the cultural conversation once again. Madonna is making headlines again, and for the first time in two years, the topic of conversation is her music.
Over the past few weeks, demos of her latest songs have leaked into the Internet, forcing the pop star to think practically about her next move. In a seemingly desperate decision, Madonna made six finished tracks available to digitally download on 20 December 2014, and announced that her 13th studio album Rebel Heart, scheduled to be released on 10 March 2015, would come with 13 additional tracks. Each Madonna release is held to the highest standard by professional music critics and die-hard fans. For better or worse, the Queen of Pop has an impressive legacy to live up to, and it is not enough for her to release a good pop album. She must release her best album every time, which is to say that each release must be trend-setting and iconic. This is why critics and fans were not too pleased with 2008’s Hard Cady and 2012’s MDNA. For other pop stars like Britney Spears or Katy Perry, these would have been solid albums, but for Madonna, they were lame attempts to appeal to the mainstream. This is obviously not fair, and such impossibly high expectations often overlook the fact that even Madonna’s lesser work is significantly more interesting than what passes for contemporary pop, but better this than to accept everything she does simply because her name is attached to it.
Unlike the Little Monsters, the Swifties, and the Arianators, Madonna’s fans are not afraid to tell her when she needs to step it up, and they don’t defend her every move for the sake of it. When she released “Give Me All Your Luvin’” as the lead single from MDNA, for example, fans expressed their disdain for the song, and the vast majority of them did not hold back their disappointment. How can pop music’s premier artist deliver such a trite, moronic single, they wondered? Such laziness was not going to be tolerated.
Whether or not the leak of Rebel Heart will impact first-week sales, Madonna fans can rest knowing that it will be her best album since 2005’s Confessions on a Dance Floor, if not better. I have listened to the majority of the demos and can breathe a sigh of relief, but out of respect for the artist, I am only going to focus on the six finished tracks that were released.
The first track, “Living for Love”, is her most joyous since “Express Yourself”, and shows us why Madonna still matters today. The production, which is inspired by ‘90s house, is instantly listenable, and the uplifting lyrics fit right in with contemporary pop’s obsession with self-help DIY optimism. Like Taylor Swift’s “Shake It Off”, Ariana Grande’s “Break Free”, and Katy Perry’s “Roar”, “Living for Love” is a survivor’s anthem. However, unlike those other artists, Madonna has lived long enough to experience survival, which makes her song more powerful and emotional.
“Devil Pray” is the second track, and it is reminiscent of Madonna’s more introspective work from 1998’s Ray of Light and 2003’s American Life. The song finds Madonna searching for salvation, and it is bewildering and beautiful in equal measure. Track three, “Ghost Town”, is similarly introspective, and is arguably the most haunting love song of her career.
Although fans and critics are unanimous in their praise of the first three tracks, the latter three—“Unapologetic Bitch”, Illuminati”, and “Bitch I’m Madonna”—are more divisive. Some admire Madonna’s audacity to have fun, while others think that she is too old to be singing about the party life. Some appreciate Madonna’s ability to experiment with the current sounds, while others wish that she would stop trying so hard to stay relevant.
I understand the negative criticism, but it is impossible not to admire Madonna’s bravery. At a time when pop music is saturated with young twenty-something newcomers, the 56-year-old veteran takes a huge risk every time she returns to reclaim her throne. She risks alienating her older fans, as well as turning off younger generations that aren’t familiar with her aggressive persona. In a way, she reminds me of Jean-Luc Godard, who at age 84 decided to release his first digital 3D film,Goodbye to Language, in 2014. Despite the detractors who insist that she gives it up, Madonna is determined to dominate the cultural conversation once again.
That she has succeeded, at least for now, is an impressive achievement, and calls into question the significance of sales in the digital era. An artist like Madonna doesn’t need a number one hit in the same way that Swift might, and at this point in her career, she seems more interested in the quality of the music than anything else. Rather than chase the top of the charts like she did with Hard Candy and MDNA, Madonna finally seems to realize that the pop culture landscape she once dominated in the ‘80s, ‘90s, and early ‘00s has drastically changed. These changes have liberated her, and have inspired her to make some of the most personal and fully realized music of her career.
The idea of an artist’s legacy is worthy of contemplation, especially when icons like Madonna continue to create. How should we measure Madonna’s latest album, and in what ways can it influence her reputation? Do the first week sales and amount of top ten singles really matter? What about positive reviews from critics or fans? How important is quality?
Perhaps none of these things matter unless the artist can enter the cultural conversation, which Madonna continues to do with each release. Whenever someone expresses their opinion about her, whether it be positive or negative, they reinforce her relevance. Social media users around the world have joined the discussion after the surprise release of the aforementioned six songs, with some celebrating her return and others condemning her entire career. Regardless, everyone cares enough to offer an opinion.
When the dust settles, Rebel Heart will be cited as one of Madonna’s better albums, and fans and critics will praise her return to form. However, as we all know by now, it’s never been just about the music with Madonna, and more than anything else, Rebel Heart shows that she is still the most talked about pop star in the world. http://www.popmatter...-her-relevance/
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 14:10:47 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 14:23:42 GMT -5
That's just it- people do care enough to offer an opinion on her or what she's doing. For some reason, it seems to irk some that she keeps going, reinventing, producing new music, pushing herself and inspiring, even with her new work. Those wanting her to settle into being a nostalgia act, sorry to say- ain't happening anytime soon.
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Post by xxzion72xx on Jan 7, 2015 16:36:43 GMT -5
#livingformadonna PopMatters Madonna's 'Rebel Heart' Reinforces Her Relevance Wednesday, Jan 7, 2015 by Jon Lisi madonna-rebel-heart.jpg Despite the detractors who insist that she gives it up, Madonna is determined to dominate the cultural conversation once again. Madonna is making headlines again, and for the first time in two years, the topic of conversation is her music. Over the past few weeks, demos of her latest songs have leaked into the Internet, forcing the pop star to think practically about her next move. In a seemingly desperate decision, Madonna made six finished tracks available to digitally download on 20 December 2014, and announced that her 13th studio album Rebel Heart, scheduled to be released on 10 March 2015, would come with 13 additional tracks. Each Madonna release is held to the highest standard by professional music critics and die-hard fans. For better or worse, the Queen of Pop has an impressive legacy to live up to, and it is not enough for her to release a good pop album. She must release her best album every time, which is to say that each release must be trend-setting and iconic. This is why critics and fans were not too pleased with 2008’s Hard Cady and 2012’s MDNA. For other pop stars like Britney Spears or Katy Perry, these would have been solid albums, but for Madonna, they were lame attempts to appeal to the mainstream. This is obviously not fair, and such impossibly high expectations often overlook the fact that even Madonna’s lesser work is significantly more interesting than what passes for contemporary pop, but better this than to accept everything she does simply because her name is attached to it. Unlike the Little Monsters, the Swifties, and the Arianators, Madonna’s fans are not afraid to tell her when she needs to step it up, and they don’t defend her every move for the sake of it. When she released “Give Me All Your Luvin’” as the lead single from MDNA, for example, fans expressed their disdain for the song, and the vast majority of them did not hold back their disappointment. How can pop music’s premier artist deliver such a trite, moronic single, they wondered? Such laziness was not going to be tolerated. Whether or not the leak of Rebel Heart will impact first-week sales, Madonna fans can rest knowing that it will be her best album since 2005’s Confessions on a Dance Floor, if not better. I have listened to the majority of the demos and can breathe a sigh of relief, but out of respect for the artist, I am only going to focus on the six finished tracks that were released. The first track, “Living for Love”, is her most joyous since “Express Yourself”, and shows us why Madonna still matters today. The production, which is inspired by ‘90s house, is instantly listenable, and the uplifting lyrics fit right in with contemporary pop’s obsession with self-help DIY optimism. Like Taylor Swift’s “Shake It Off”, Ariana Grande’s “Break Free”, and Katy Perry’s “Roar”, “Living for Love” is a survivor’s anthem. However, unlike those other artists, Madonna has lived long enough to experience survival, which makes her song more powerful and emotional. “Devil Pray” is the second track, and it is reminiscent of Madonna’s more introspective work from 1998’s Ray of Light and 2003’s American Life. The song finds Madonna searching for salvation, and it is bewildering and beautiful in equal measure. Track three, “Ghost Town”, is similarly introspective, and is arguably the most haunting love song of her career. Although fans and critics are unanimous in their praise of the first three tracks, the latter three—“Unapologetic Bitch”, Illuminati”, and “Bitch I’m Madonna”—are more divisive. Some admire Madonna’s audacity to have fun, while others think that she is too old to be singing about the party life. Some appreciate Madonna’s ability to experiment with the current sounds, while others wish that she would stop trying so hard to stay relevant. I understand the negative criticism, but it is impossible not to admire Madonna’s bravery. At a time when pop music is saturated with young twenty-something newcomers, the 56-year-old veteran takes a huge risk every time she returns to reclaim her throne. She risks alienating her older fans, as well as turning off younger generations that aren’t familiar with her aggressive persona. In a way, she reminds me of Jean-Luc Godard, who at age 84 decided to release his first digital 3D film,Goodbye to Language, in 2014. Despite the detractors who insist that she gives it up, Madonna is determined to dominate the cultural conversation once again. That she has succeeded, at least for now, is an impressive achievement, and calls into question the significance of sales in the digital era. An artist like Madonna doesn’t need a number one hit in the same way that Swift might, and at this point in her career, she seems more interested in the quality of the music than anything else. Rather than chase the top of the charts like she did with Hard Candy and MDNA, Madonna finally seems to realize that the pop culture landscape she once dominated in the ‘80s, ‘90s, and early ‘00s has drastically changed. These changes have liberated her, and have inspired her to make some of the most personal and fully realized music of her career. The idea of an artist’s legacy is worthy of contemplation, especially when icons like Madonna continue to create. How should we measure Madonna’s latest album, and in what ways can it influence her reputation? Do the first week sales and amount of top ten singles really matter? What about positive reviews from critics or fans? How important is quality? Perhaps none of these things matter unless the artist can enter the cultural conversation, which Madonna continues to do with each release. Whenever someone expresses their opinion about her, whether it be positive or negative, they reinforce her relevance. Social media users around the world have joined the discussion after the surprise release of the aforementioned six songs, with some celebrating her return and others condemning her entire career. Regardless, everyone cares enough to offer an opinion. When the dust settles, Rebel Heart will be cited as one of Madonna’s better albums, and fans and critics will praise her return to form. However, as we all know by now, it’s never been just about the music with Madonna, and more than anything else, Rebel Heart shows that she is still the most talked about pop star in the world. http://www.popmatter...-her-relevance/ Well Put!!!
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 7, 2015 16:55:12 GMT -5
madonna's 'Rebel Heart on @spotify - Top3 so far: 'Living For Love' 1.093.019, 'Bitch I'm Madonna' 924.310, 'Devil Pray' 573.778. #yaaas
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Jan 7, 2015 16:59:36 GMT -5
madonna's 'Rebel Heart on @spotify - Top3 so far: 'Living For Love' 1.093.019, 'Bitch I'm Madonna' 924.310, 'Devil Pray' 573.778. #yaaas I don't see Living For Love anywhere on the US or Global Spotify charts... ???? Where are these figures from?
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 7, 2015 17:08:40 GMT -5
A Wendy Williams audience isn't really a good gage to measure success against. Even her guests are pretty C-D list with the odd exception. Exactly. They also all cheered loudly in agreement with Wendy when Wendy said that J. Lo's AKA would outsell Mariah by a longshot. Chile bye.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 17:33:51 GMT -5
Tick/Tock- I'm guessing those are the to-date plays.
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 18:18:48 GMT -5
Keith Caulfield keith_caulfield 2h2 hours ago #nowplaying madonna's "Living For Love" (@djembadjembaa remix). It's the song's first official remix; goes to clubs today.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 7, 2015 18:26:45 GMT -5
Tick Tock those are the to date plays per mnation. Sorry it does look like top 3 now. :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 18:50:36 GMT -5
LOL if Wendy's studio audience of regular women & gays in NYC is bottom barrel well then i would like to know what high class people i be dealing with here in this thread!
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Post by floridagrl on Jan 7, 2015 18:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2015 21:30:12 GMT -5
The audience at a Wendy Williams show isn't a good gauge of the general public's sentiments. Just as the audience at the Jerry Springer Show, or any of those other C-list-and-lower talk shows wouldn't be.
florida- who is the guy in that photo?
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Post by xxzion72xx on Jan 7, 2015 22:22:35 GMT -5
I would put Jerry Springer above Wendy...more of the F list celebrities.
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Post by So Pure on Jan 7, 2015 22:24:01 GMT -5
That's Diplo in the photo
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jan 7, 2015 22:24:58 GMT -5
florida- who is the guy in that photo? That's Diplo. I would put Jerry Springer above Wendy...more of the F list celebrities. Jerry's show still gets good ratings, as does Wendy's, but Jerry's show hasn't been good in like 15 years. If I ever watch Wendy's show, it's usually the first 10 to 15 minutes only. She always vamps it up and goes overboard with it. This is an example of how over the top it is sometimes. Chances are that most in Wendy's audience probably wouldn't have bought Madonna's new album anyway so that really isn't an indicator of anything.
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Post by surfy on Jan 7, 2015 22:25:31 GMT -5
I would put Jerry Springer above Wendy. I wouldn't But I do agree, I don't go by an audience's reaction to tell something because these people are wanting to see Wendy, they're going to agree with (just about) anything she says. I let sales do all the talking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 22:27:20 GMT -5
The audience at a Wendy Williams show isn't a good gauge of the general public's sentiments. Just as the audience at the Jerry Springer Show, or any of those other C-list-and-lower talk shows wouldn't be. florida- who is the guy in that photo? Diplo. I wouldn't dismiss the C or D level talk shows they are the few that even care about these veteran acts the rest have moved on to A list pop acts.
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