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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 21:21:31 GMT -5
I dont know about "Bye Bye" but I can almost say 100% that Mariah would never release " I Want To Know What Love Is" as the 2nd single. Thats the kinda song she has been running away from her entire career. The way it went down was this, the label read all the old ass music critics claiming it was a genius song and best thing on the album and fed into the lies and decided to release that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 21:22:25 GMT -5
I believe Mariah.
She has said dozens of times that Triumphant was released basically just to make up for the drought of no new music and TAOLG was probably intended for the same purpose. She might not always have the best ear for what's hot but I think she's been in the business long enough to know that those two songs weren't going to do anything.
Regardless of whether her single choice would've been a smash, the label heads pushed for the worst songs on her last two albums to be released as the second singles and she was smart enough to realize that.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 23, 2014 21:27:43 GMT -5
I dont know about "Bye Bye" but I can almost say 100% that Mariah would never release " I Want To Know What Love Is" as the 2nd single. Thats the kinda song she has been running away from her entire career. The way it went down was this, the label read all the old ass music critics claiming it was a genius song and best thing on the album and fed into the lies and decided to release that. Mariah is the one who chose to record it, so I don't know how she was running from it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 21:32:02 GMT -5
She chose to record it for the album for international markets but she is smart enough to know it wouldnt work on US radio. She is the one who sings one of her biggest hits Without You just overseas but not here in America. So I doubt she said oh well IWKWLI will smash here in America.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 21:33:24 GMT -5
Yup, I believe her intention in recording "I Want To Know What Love Is" was for it to be released as an international single and to AC radio, not an across the board single (I mean, Urban?!!). Anyway... @ her getting a pedicure in bed.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 23, 2014 22:02:49 GMT -5
I believe if Mariah really wanted to have a different single for both of those albums she would have. I mean that woman fought tooth and nail to get Shake It Off released third and won out. So obviously, she has some of a say in what gets released.
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Post by die Lotterie on Feb 23, 2014 22:16:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking when she dropped TAOLG she already knew she was going to change the album title, and that she wanted the fans to hear it with the possibility of it not being on the album.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 22:25:59 GMT -5
I mean she maybe could have fought harder and gotten different singles but she clearly had other stuff going on at the time. In 2008, she had just gotten married and in 2009 she and Nick were probably trying to get dem babies on the way. The point is that she didn't approve of the singles and would have preferred other songs to be released, songs that would've likely given her album campaigns more longevity.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 23, 2014 23:22:07 GMT -5
I mean she maybe could have fought harder and gotten different singles but she clearly had other stuff going on at the time. In 2008, she had just gotten married and in 2009 she and Nick were probably trying to get dem babies on the way. The point is that she didn't approve of the singles and would have preferred other songs to be released, songs that would've likely given her album campaigns more longevity. Mariah performed "Bye Bye" on Oprah's show and American Idol before she got married, so she didn't have her marriage going on when that was chosen as a single.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 24, 2014 7:44:03 GMT -5
Mimi's stance on performing "Without You" outside the USA and not in is rather silly- it was a pretty decent-sized hit (six weeks at No.3)- so, just because it wasn't No. 1 means it wasn't that popular in the USA? Please, gurl. She performs "It's Like That," which wasn't even a top 10; she's mentioned how it wasn't that big a hit, but the fans seem to like it. I'm sure fans also like the WY cover.
The cover of IWTKWLI, sonically, fits in with the ballads, but she probably didn't want it released as the second single. Shouldn't she have mnore input, though, when it comes to those things?
"Bye Bye," I absolutely believe everyone involved saw it as a "One Sweet Day" (theme) meets "We Belong Together" (sound) and hoped it would be a runaway smash. It didn't work out that way, but I like it. TMB is cutesy, and I like "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time," but BB probably is my favorite of the four E=MC2 singles.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 24, 2014 7:53:28 GMT -5
For some reason, my IP address on my phone and Kindle Fire are blocked for Pulse . I was butthurt at first because I have n't done anything remotely permaban worthy in years but it must either have been a glitch or just something with those devices because I am in Munich. Anyway, I see I haven't missed much in terms of Mariah news.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 24, 2014 8:41:02 GMT -5
Mimi's stance on performing "Without You" outside the USA and not in is rather silly- it was a pretty decent-sized hit (six weeks at No.3)- so, just because it wasn't No. 1 means it wasn't that popular in the USA? Please, gurl. She performs "It's Like That," which wasn't even a top 10; she's mentioned how it wasn't that big a hit, but the fans seem to like it. I'm sure fans also like the WY cover. My opinion is that she doesn't really like the song (or doesn't like performing it). She can get away with not performing it in the U.S. because it isn't a signature hit for her here. She pretty much has to perform it in Europe, though, because it's her biggest seller there outside of "AIWFCIY." In general I definitely wish she was more diverse/creative with what she performs live, but we've all had this discussion before. Mariah clearly hates performing, so she probably just doesn't want to put the thought/work into it. She prefers the studio, and I don't see anything wrong with that. To each his own, but "IBLULT" has such great production! And backing vocals. Love that joint.
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Post by nitro on Feb 24, 2014 10:15:28 GMT -5
I love IBLULT.
I don't care if this album doesn't sell... I'm just happy to get some new Mariah. I'm glad she hasn't thrown in the towel and is still committed to releasing material regularly instead of disappearing for 10 years and then releasing something. Excited to hear the songs on the albums. The woman could literally sing Mary Had a Little Lamb and it would resonate with me. I just love her voice.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 24, 2014 10:19:35 GMT -5
A bunch of should've, could've, would'ves....
Anyhow, her BET peformance its tonight and I'll be in school :/ I'll be checking Pulse for commentary, etc. Hold on to your wigs, cause she'll probably get burn for the dress. Even though I love it, I thought she looked gorgeous.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 24, 2014 10:29:56 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said that everyone involved assumed BB would be a smash. Didn't Roger Friedman even call it basically the biggest hit on the album? I still don't know why it underperformed, because I think it's actually a great track, but who knows. (Looking back, the whole BB situation is eerily similar to Unconditionally).
Nonetheless, I do think Mariah wanted, at least initially, for Migrate to be a single. Performing it on SNL, to me, was her way of demonstrating this (I can't think of anything else it would demonstrate to be honest). However, as she discovered that night, I don't think the track works that well live. Which led to a poorer reception of the track than it deserved (the studio version is pure fire). For example, Perez gave it a horrible review, and for some reason I think Mariah listened to him. If I remember correctly, the second single topic came up during an interview on On Air w/ Ryan Seacrest, which for some reason I'm connecting Perez Hilton to. Mariah said something along the lines of 'Darling, the second single is a ballad, it's always a ballad, and we're following the formula that always works'. I'd love to hear this interview today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 10:32:11 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said that everyone involved assumed BB would be a smash. Didn't Roger Friedman even call it basically the biggest hit on the album? I still don't know why it underperformed, because I think it's actually a great track, but who knows. (Looking back, the whole BB situation is eerily similar to Unconditionally). Those early "reviews" are usually way off the mark. I think B96 compared "Cruise Control" to "Fantasy" and "Angels Cry" to "Vision Of Love".
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 24, 2014 10:37:36 GMT -5
I LOVE Cruise Control, but it ain't no damn Fantasy. I never trust any of those early reviews. Get me all hype for nothing.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 24, 2014 10:49:12 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said that everyone involved assumed BB would be a smash. Didn't Roger Friedman even call it basically the biggest hit on the album? I still don't know why it underperformed, because I think it's actually a great track, but who knows. (Looking back, the whole BB situation is eerily similar to Unconditionally). Those early "reviews" are usually way off the mark. I think B96 compared "Cruise Control" to "Fantasy" and "Angels Cry" to "Vision Of Love". I DEFINITELY remember that. They said it was her best uptempo since Fantasy. Even though I love the track, right, I was initially underwhelmed upon first listen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 15:32:24 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Mariah stans on Earth and love almost all of her music, but my initial reaction of "Bye Bye" was that it was horrible. To this day, I think it's the worst song on E=MC2 and one of her worst songs ever (if not THE worst). It reeked of desperation, and the "hood" lyrics sounded ridiculous with it.
For The Record IMO should have been the second single. That is one of my faves from Mimi in the 00's.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 24, 2014 17:01:33 GMT -5
"Bye Bye" has been my anthem this week... Talk all the shit you want, it resinates with a lot of people, including me. It might not be the best song Mariah has ever done musically or lyrically, but its sentiment and far-reaching ability are undeniable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
Bye bye is horrible. Cruise control, for the record, migrate, and side effects should have all been singles, not what idj chose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -5
I liked "Bye Bye" but it was definitely the wrong choice. "Migrate" clearly had the must buzz at the time and T-Pain was actually pretty popular around that time (I think that definitely would've been at minimum a top 5 hit for her). Side Effects was the other missed opportunity. That song was song was clearly very personal for her and would've definitely been a huge urban hit and likely a crossover record. It's a shame, since that era had so much potential and is my favorite post Butterfly album from her.
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Post by takingmytimetoday on Feb 24, 2014 21:15:51 GMT -5
BET Honors on tonight! Can't wait to hear her singing...LIVE?
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Post by musiclover98 on Feb 24, 2014 22:58:53 GMT -5
I'm assuming she already performed since the show ends in 2 minutes. If anyone has video can they please post? It would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 23:09:26 GMT -5
I watched it! She was GREAT and she sung it live. There was just one moment where it sounded like she almost lost her breath but she nailed it for sure!
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 24, 2014 23:21:02 GMT -5
While I don't think it was live, it was still a solid performance. This would make a better video than the real one. The footage shot for the background was really nice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 2:43:13 GMT -5
This talk of Without You brings me to ask am I the only one who hates that song. Well hate is a strong word but just indifferent and I haven't nor will I listen to it and Hero unless forced. Include that horrid Against All Odds into the mix too. I'm just not down for that s**t. I love her old school ballads however that didn't sound like those.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 25, 2014 4:24:59 GMT -5
Without You was on repeat as a kid. So was Music Box and Never Forget You from that album. Then again, I was...what...13 when I bought the cassette. and thus, my taste in Mariah ballads has definitely changed. Loved those songs then and now, they collect dust in my ITUNES. Rainblow came out when I was in college - a sophomore, to be precise. I'll NEVER forgot how I stalked Napster (LOL) for those files because I couldn't wait until the CD was out and I needed to hear new Mariah. Man, was I a crazed lamb then. . Anyway, I am a Phil Collins fan so I liked Against All Odds at the time but that caterwauling at the end is too much for me to take. I do like how much full voice she used then but, again, I am never in the mood to hear that particular song. Mariah's evolution as an artist has certainly been interesting, to say the least. With the exception of TAOLG, her ballads have been stuck in that syncopated beat mode for quite some time. I mean, there are exceptions, but I want more organic, warm feeling soul ballads like Mine Again and Joy Ride please.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Feb 25, 2014 5:06:43 GMT -5
I dont know about "Bye Bye" but I can almost say 100% that Mariah would never release " I Want To Know What Love Is" as the 2nd single. Thats the kinda song she has been running away from her entire career. The way it went down was this, the label read all the old ass music critics claiming it was a genius song and best thing on the album and fed into the lies and decided to release that. Really? Mariah has been doing schmaltzy covers her entire career - so I wouldn't exactly say she was "running away" from that kind of song. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that she supported it (at the time) as the second single.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 25, 2014 8:12:54 GMT -5
Yah, sounded like the record, for the most part. Not sure why she would lip-synch, especially a ballad. The backdrop footage would have been better in the video than the shots of Trey Songz (who's not even heard in the regular version).
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