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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 25, 2014 20:08:48 GMT -5
Mimi seems to love her some 80s pop-rock tunes- remember her mouthing the words to "Wanted Dead or Alive" on Idol? Yeah, even if some of the covers were done for commercial reasons, I don't really doubt that she liked the songs. Mariah used to have a wide range of taste in music; I remember Walter Afanasieff calling her a walking encyclopedia of music (something to that effect). I think if anyone could get MTV to put out an Unplugged special again it would be Mariah. Didn't Miley Cyrus tape one recently? MTV has still had Unplugged specials on a sporadic basis. I think Adele did one a couple of years ago.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 25, 2014 20:12:55 GMT -5
Yah, but the Cyrus one didn't do all that well, ratings-wise. With her, though, it was kinda hokey (even if it did have some strong moments), with the hoedown theme.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 25, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5
Another MTV Unplugged would great because she can change the arrangements and really can really shine in that kind of intimate setting. At least, I would think so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:31:45 GMT -5
What Mariah MUST do to save her career and end the haters lives forever If Mariah's career was her daughter: - She would be too old for Mariah to be able to claim her as a qualifying dependent for the Child Tax Credit - She would be old enough to remember when Madonna became cool again back in seventh grade - She would be old enough to remember that year all her classmates teased her after her mom showed up unannounced on TRL wearing only a t-shirt and passed out ice cream to everyone - She would be old enough to drink - She would be old enough to have started her own singing career in 2009 and snatched the entire industry's wig for five years straight Look I'd love for Mimi to get her act together too but 'save her career' is a bit overdramatic ok? Just a little bit.
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Post by musiclover98 on Feb 25, 2014 22:14:39 GMT -5
The idea of Mariah doing MTV unplugged is a little too optimistic. Mariah lip syncs in some capacity 99% of the time. Not because she wants to, but because her voice is so inconsistent. Even the tone of voice has changed, which shows that there is in fact a problem with her voice. She once had a robust and full tone, now she's shrill and thin at times. People are concerned with "saving her career." I think the true concern should be with saving her voice.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Feb 25, 2014 22:16:40 GMT -5
She's already done Unplugged. Something more along the lines of Storytellers would be perfect for her.
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Post by crdubb17 on Feb 25, 2014 23:33:02 GMT -5
I think people here should listen to the low quality clip again because it doesn't sound like the studio version AT ALL. Just because you fav can't hold a note live don't come for Mariah. The low quality version we got of the BET performance sounds like she LITERALLY took the raw vocal from the studio version and lipped to it. There are NO differences in those vocals. None. If you listen to the low quality version again, you'll also notice that there aren't any flaws in her vocals. If those flawless vocals were indeed live that night, then why the hell would she feel the need to dub them and change some of the ad libs?! Please inform me, I'll wait. PS: Mariah IS my fave, so let's not. As a stan I'm just supposed to ignore the fact that she's tarnishing her image because she refuses to perform a straight live vocal?! You can do that if you want to, but don't criticize others who expect more from her because we know what she's capable of.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 23:46:18 GMT -5
I stopped relying on her as a live artist years ago. I have no interest in ever seeing her live again. These conversations have been going on for 15 years at this point. It's not even like we can really be sure her live voice is shot like we were with Whitney, because Mariah doesn't even try. Nearly every single performance of her's post-90s has been at least partially lipped. I think most fans would be happier with shaky fully live performances than performances that are partially lipped at this point. It's just well known that she's a perfectionist about everything she does. When she's performing, she's concerned about how she looks on camera, what angles the cameras are getting her from, how different her vocal sounds from the album version, that the backing vocalists sound exactly the way she wants... That's why I can't see her doing something like MTV Unplugged again. She rarely lets loose in front of cameras.
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Post by AngelsForever on Feb 26, 2014 0:16:34 GMT -5
I think people here should listen to the low quality clip again because it doesn't sound like the studio version AT ALL. Just because you fav can't hold a note live don't come for Mariah. The low quality version we got of the BET performance sounds like she LITERALLY took the raw vocal from the studio version and lipped to it. There are NO differences in those vocals. None. If you listen to the low quality version again, you'll also notice that there aren't any flaws in her vocals. If those flawless vocals were indeed live that night, then why the hell would she feel the need to dub them and change some of the ad libs?! Please inform me, I'll wait. PS: Mariah IS my fave, so let's not. As a stan I'm just supposed to ignore the fact that she's tarnishing her image because she refuses to perform a straight live vocal?! You can do that if you want to, but don't criticize others who expect more from her because we know what she's capable of. NO, she's not. You lying sis. If u is ha fan, u know damn well its diffrent. I see a lot of fan/stan in desguise these days. They come in say " They a fan since the 90s" then procced to trash ha tew much The BET performance is her most "Live" performance she's done in YEARS. do u sis do u
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Post by theedge12 on Feb 26, 2014 0:19:49 GMT -5
100 % live!! she may not sing like her prime but she still wipes the floor with 90%of the female artist out! I stopped relying on her as a live artist years ago. I have no interest in ever seeing her live again. These conversations have been going on for 15 years at this point. It's not even like we can really be sure her live voice is shot like we were with Whitney, because Mariah doesn't even try. Nearly every single performance of her's post-90s has been at least partially lipped. I think most fans would be happier with shaky fully live performances than performances that are partially lipped at this point. It's just well known that she's a perfectionist about everything she does. When she's performing, she's concerned about how she looks on camera, what angles the cameras are getting her from, how different her vocal sounds from the album version, that the backing vocalists sound exactly the way she wants... That's why I can't see her doing something like MTV Unplugged again. She rarely lets loose in front of cameras.
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Post by AngelsForever on Feb 26, 2014 0:20:07 GMT -5
Telling me to listen the LQ again. HAHAHAHA AAAAAHHHHHWhen I listen to it about 1000 times. As soon as the song leaked by MTV brazil, I noticed the difference in her vocals IMMEDIATELY. Maybe I'm blessed with GOD like ears.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 26, 2014 0:21:13 GMT -5
I just want a smooth, sophisticated, semi-popular era this time around to set her up for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. She will be eligible next year. Well, artists like Mariah don't really get into the HOF in general; notice Whitney (despite her death), Streisand, and Janet have not been inducted. It's weird, though, how someone like Gladys Knight has gotten in but not those other ladies. Anyway, so I don't expect Mariah to get in anytime soon. Having said that, one thing that helps her is "AIWFCIY." The Ronettes got into the HOF literally because of one single - "Be My Baby." Mariah has a song in "AIWFCIY" that is seen by everyone - pop fans, rock fans, and even bitter critics - as a true classic. That helps her, though I still don't expect her to get inducted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 0:22:33 GMT -5
100 % live!! she may not sing like her prime but she still wipes the floor with 90%of the female artist out! When she does that, it's the only time we ever get 100% live vocals from her. That supports my point about how she'd be better off just letting loose instead of trying to perfect her live performances. Getting caught lipping constantly makes people think she has no voice left.
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Post by crdubb17 on Feb 26, 2014 1:00:30 GMT -5
Telling me to listen the LQ again. HAHAHAHA AAAAAHHHHHWhen I listen to it about 1000 times. As soon as the song leaked by MTV brazil, I noticed the difference in her vocals IMMEDIATELY. Maybe I'm blessed with GOD like ears. Yet, you still haven't explained any of the vocal differences or why she would dub the vocals in the first place. Girl sit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 1:09:02 GMT -5
There is a difference between can't sing live and won't sing live. That impromptu performance of TAOLG shows when she does try the voice is there. The fact she chooses to not even try has more to do with her insecurity and inability to believe in herself. She thinks we want perfect when all we want is a honest and emotional performance. I don't care really because Mariah Carey need not prove to me she is a SINGER. Its better than starting your career and continuing through your entire career lipping like a lot of other acclaimed and successful artists. Mariah is like that naturally beautiful girl who don't need makeup yet still puts it on because she wants to look even more pretty.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 2:50:12 GMT -5
Yet, you still haven't explained any of the vocal differences or why she would dub the vocals in the first place. Girl sit. So I'm not going to co-sign with the way AngelsForever disagreed, but there are some differences. The biggest difference b/t the LQ leak of the BET Honors performance and the airing is definitely the high note at the end. On the BET airing Mariah extends one high note and she doesn't go for the trill that is in the recorded version. However, in the LQ leak the high note is the exact same as that on the iTunes download, with a little trill of three or four high notes. Also, if you go to the second time she sings 'I can't seem to live without your love...dying for your touch' - in the BET airing she sings "I. can't. seem. to." very staccato, very breathily, and she trills a bit on "touch." In the LQ this verse is NOT breathy and "touch" has no trill in it. There are probably other differences but these are just the two that I noticed right away. In general I could tell they were trying to capture more of the texture in Mariah's voice to make it sound live on the show, but the LQ recording sounded really smooth and pristine in certain parts - which still doesn't really tell me anything about whether Mariah was lip-syncing b/c she's still capable of hitting a smooth note. Also lbr, Mariah can't lip-sync properly for sh!t, it's always mildly to majorly sloppy with her mouth being out of sync with some of the words, or her 'holding' a note too long or 'cutting' it shorter than it is on the track, you know. There are some convenient camera cutaways on the BET performance, but when the camera is on her she doesn't look out of sync, there are parts where she really looks into it, and she touches her earpiece a couple of times as if she's adjusting it...I don't think she magically learned how to be a good lip-syncer at the last minute. So my guess is that she at least partially sang live, though I don't think she hit the note at the end live. Then she either a) listened to it after the show but still didn't like how she sounded and decided to dub over it instead, or b) went in with the intention to dub over the performance with a 'live' vocal b/c she has been criticized for lip-syncing and (mistakenly) thought that would be the best solution to avoid more criticism (I've seen some performers do this before and I personally find it annoying that one would go through the trouble of doing a different recording when they could just sing right there, dammit) Either way, she did it b/c she is unnecessarily self-conscious about her voice. (Even the Michael Jackson tribute, which she got quite a bit of flak for, was not nearly as bad as someone tried to make it out to be on the previous page.) But like Jazzy and Coco said, she's an extreme perfectionist and seems to have some insecurities about the fact that her voice isn't as perfect as it used to be. Her lower range is obviously still effortlessly velvet and her belting mid-range, with some effort and calmed nerves, is also solid. As for the upper register/whistle notes, a lot of that is either gone or what does remain she maybe can't hit every time she goes for it, which is why those notes are ALWAYS lip-synced or dubbed even if the rest isn't. If that is the case she needs to go for a lower note when she sings those parts live or stop arranging songs to include those notes altogether. Why exacerbate your insecurities?
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 26, 2014 5:37:26 GMT -5
Cynthia, if I could give a prize for that post, I would. Mariah is my favorite artist - always has been, and probably always will be - and I tend to ignore a lot of her chicanery, for the most part. Lately, I find myself slightly peeved at her constant obsession with perfection and lipsyncing, as a result. I don't know why it never really bothered me before. Maybe it's because I am on Pulse too much and it is a constant sticking point here. To be honest, I never watched her live performances when she was in her prime. I just obsessively listened to her music. But yes, it's PAINFULLY obvious when she lipsyncs. The faces she makes and the pulling the mic away so as not to disintegrate it with the force of her voice during those sustained glory notes are all for show, apparently. I don't care HOW good of a singer she is. There is ZERO difference between the studio and the live and those aren't exactly easy notes to hit, never mind sustain, for anyone...and especially not current day Mariah. When people insist with all certainty that she is singing those finales live, I can't even know what to say. :X
While I'm no professional by any means, I did sing competitively back in the day and I have a very keen ear for vocal detail. It is just impossible, with the current state of her voice, to duplicate certain things live that she does in the studio, so yes, it's annoying that she even tries. She is so wrapped up in being THE VOICE that she feels she has to always deliver those glory notes. To be honest, I am fine even if she doesn't do them on record, but she insists on proving herself.
I get that she is an EMPLOYER, but it's always interesting how her background singers or musicians sit there, smiling and swaying, while she is clearly not singing...or better yet, when they seem dazzled by her vocal prowess, LOL. I'm thinking, "That's how I feel when listening to her on my headphones!" I know Kelly Price is not that impressed but...she is clearly bitter and butthurt in general, so I will leave that one alone.
Anyway, I never saw Mariah live until Adventures of Mimi, for which she was about 2 hours late, if I remember correctly. People were leaving in droves and she got boos when she finally appeared. It was embarrassing. I was on the floor and the concert was fine enough, but it was amazing when she disappeared and then reappeared on a platform right next to where I was standing and bent down to touch my hand. I almost passed out, LOL. In the end though, I walked away underwhelmed. It might have been due to her trotting out her tried-and-true crowd pleasing favorites, though. I saw her at a small theater during the Angels Advocates (?) tour and I walked away exhilarated. She had a lot of fun moments, where she would talk and tell stories, and vocally, she sounded on point. Plus, Memoirs is my favorite Mariah album, so it was great to hear those songs live, especially It's A Wrap. She KILLED that live. I would love to see her in a setting like that again. When I saw her in Central Park during the MLB All-Star Concert/Hurricane Sandy benefit show with the NY Philharmonic, she was a tad off vocally, but still, very strong and my friends around me who are just casual fans were very impressed. Pretty sure that was not one moment of lipping in that show. Of course, she did Looking In, which was a shock, not that she was able to get through it without tears, but still...very raw and powerful.
Still looking forward to this album. I'm expecting surprises. The Nas song and Hit-Boy collabs are what I am awaiting the most. #endessay.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 26, 2014 9:18:16 GMT -5
I am wondering if this might get moved up because of the heavy competition on her release date? I can't see them pushing it back, but I could see them moving it up a week or two. It is good to see YM gain some audience. I think a great achievement would be 10-15 million. The good news is she can only improve upon reception with the right choice in the follow up single given the underwhelming response to YM.
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Post by crdubb17 on Feb 26, 2014 9:34:10 GMT -5
Yet, you still haven't explained any of the vocal differences or why she would dub the vocals in the first place. Girl sit. So I'm not going to co-sign with the way AngelsForever disagreed, but there are some differences. The biggest difference b/t the LQ leak of the BET Honors performance and the airing is definitely the high note at the end. On the BET airing Mariah extends one high note and she doesn't go for the trill that is in the recorded version. However, in the LQ leak the high note is the exact same as that on the iTunes download, with a little trill of three or four high notes. Also, if you go to the second time she sings 'I can't seem to live without your love...dying for your touch' - in the BET airing she sings "I. can't. seem. to." very staccato, very breathily, and she trills a bit on "touch." In the LQ this verse is NOT breathy and "touch" has no trill in it. Ok, I'm thoroughly confused. I KNOW there are obvious differences between the LQ leak of the performance and the actual airing of the performance (hence her going back to dub in the changes you've mentioned), but there are not any distinct vocal differences between the LQ leak of her performance and the studio version of the track. My point was that she lipped to the studio version in her original performance (the LQ leak) but dubbed in some different ad-libs for the airing that occurred weeks later to give us the illusion that she was singing it live. But I completely agree with the rest of your post, it is spot on with how I feel (but failed to articulate) on why she does these things. And to the poster above, I agree with you about everything re: insecurities and needing to be seen as perfection, and especially the Angels Advocate tour. I went and I was just in awe of her vocals, they were so clear and crisp. They were so good that I was actually questioning if she was just lipping to pre-recorded vocals, but when she sang Angels Cry you could literally hear the loud backing track hit her high belts and she did her classic head turn and hand cover over the mic to hide the fact that she was lipping. Like, the backing track's audio was COMPLETELY different from her mic's audio that it was hilarious that they thought they were fooling people with that! This actually made me excited because that was the ONLY track she did that to and it was SO obvious that I decided that all of the other songs she performed were live!
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 26, 2014 9:59:12 GMT -5
I wish she made life easier on herself and kept things simple with her vocal arrangements.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 26, 2014 10:34:47 GMT -5
I wish she made life easier on herself and kept things simple with her vocal arrangements. She could make life easier that way, but it gets back to her being a studio artist. Mariah loves working on vocal arrangements, melodies, etc. In the studio she isn't worrying about how to perform something live, which I think has ultimately made her recorded output better. There is no way she can replicate some things live (like the duet with herself on "Vision of Love"), but the alternative would be to not have those great things at all. I'll pass.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 26, 2014 11:13:00 GMT -5
75 stations added YM today. :o
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 26, 2014 11:14:53 GMT -5
75 stations added YM today. :o What?!?! Wow. I honestly didn't expect that. I didn't think add dates were a big deal at this point. Glad to be proven wrong.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 26, 2014 11:23:26 GMT -5
She needs to perform this on The Tonight Show like NOW! Give Jimmy an impromptu call and get it going. EDIT:....an a freaking banner on iTunes too!
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 26, 2014 11:33:33 GMT -5
I wish she made life easier on herself and kept things simple with her vocal arrangements. She could make life easier that way, but it gets back to her being a studio artist. Mariah loves working on vocal arrangements, melodies, etc. In the studio she isn't worrying about how to perform something live, which I think has ultimately made her recorded output better. There is no way she can replicate some things live (like the duet with herself on "Vision of Love"), but the alternative would be to not have those great things at all. I'll pass. Who said going simple means she would have to give those things up? She can be just as great without having to cram 5 or 6 different notes in one line as she can with just 1 or 2 notes. I for one would love to see her lower register used a bit more than she uses it. I think that is the underrated part of her voice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 11:40:42 GMT -5
In cases where she layers a bunch of her own vocals on records, there's really no reason she can't arrange it live so that her backing vocalists do some of those vocals instead. I'd certainly prefer that over just lipping to a track because it's too complicated to replicate live. The reason I won't pay to see Mariah live anymore is because she's not much of a live performer (in terms of putting on a show), so why spend $150 or whatever to watch her stand at a mic and lip parts of every performance? There were actually more instances of her rearranging songs for live performances in the early part of her career than now. She did a performance of "Emotions" in Europe in 1991 when she was sick once, and she avoided the whistle notes altogether. There's more of an authenticity to that. She's way too well known for lip-syncing at this point, so it's not like she has the wool pulled over everyone's eyes when she's lipping song climaxes so that it sounds like the record. Like I said before though, that's just what I would prefer; I certainly don't expect her to change, because she's so obsessed with her performances sounding like the record. The lip-syncing started over 15 years ago. She's been doing it the majority of her career at this point. It's just stupid though, because even though she doesn't have the same voice she had when she was 21 (who does?), she can still sing. The constant lip-syncing has gotten her a bad rep.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 26, 2014 11:50:37 GMT -5
^YUP. The layering thing is a huge issue and I've been saying it for years now dahhling. She's been creating these songs with multiple layers and when its time to sing them live 1)its almost impossible 2)they give off the impression that she's lipping(in the instances when she IS singing live) 3)is too much! (even she gets confuse picking which layer to sing)
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Feb 26, 2014 11:52:05 GMT -5
The 75 adds are across all formats. There wasn't any one format that was way high in adding it. But, hopefully this can mean some decent spins from 5-6 formats and get some airplay for this track.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 26, 2014 12:03:55 GMT -5
As we know, number of adds by itself doesn't mean much, but it's something. We'll see what kind of play these stations give it in the next week.
The official BDS adds were (with the Mediabase comparison in parentheses):
Mainstream Urban: 24 (29 Mediabase) Adult R&B: 13 (13 Mediabase) Top 40: 15 or less (15 Mediabase) Rhythmic: 11 (14 Mediabase) Adult Top 40: 5 or less (4 Mediabase) AC: Less than 3 (4 Mediabase)
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Feb 26, 2014 12:35:46 GMT -5
So damn if she does and damn if she doesn't. A few days ago there was no/hardly any adds and it was "OMG horrible/doesn't look good." Now she's getting something and it's "doesn't mean much"....I mean, damn!
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