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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:24:13 GMT -5
Mariah Carey taking a nap (photo sneakingly taken by @kristoferbuckle) With all that make-up on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:36:41 GMT -5
Yes honey he sneakily fixed her hair and face and look at that flawless nap pose!
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Post by lambdoll on Mar 1, 2014 22:00:19 GMT -5
Really Mariah? Sleeping instead of promoting You're Mine?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 22:36:27 GMT -5
that looks like it's from the valentines event...isn't she wearing the same white dress with the feathers?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 2, 2014 1:11:36 GMT -5
They just played "Dreamlover" at the bar. Life was received on the dance floor.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 2, 2014 8:03:32 GMT -5
One thing I really hope a new label will do is make her get a new PR team. I finally got around to watching that Breakfast Club interview and she came across as an out of touch bitch. There's a difference between shade and constant rude remarks, half-stories and writeoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 8:44:47 GMT -5
I have a feeling YOU'RE MINE (ETETRNAL) is going to be a hit for Mariah! Airplay is up again today!!
I know Barry Weiss hooked her up with his old time contacts Q-Tip and R.Kelly from Jive but I wonder why he hasn't arranged teaming her up with JT?
Does anybody know if she was talking to Jive after Glitter? (before signing with Lyor Cohen). And was it Barry Weiss that didn't allow the Yours Duet to be released? Because that could have lead to bad blood.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 2, 2014 9:06:46 GMT -5
The airplay gains are not that big, but I admire your enthusiasm. : It's faring best, rank-wise, at Urban AC, which is the format that some think she should be catering to, as that's where she has the most potential for airplay support.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 2, 2014 10:38:26 GMT -5
Well YM should fare best at Urban AC as this song is Urban AC ear candy.
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Post by Mack on Mar 2, 2014 11:56:55 GMT -5
The airplay gains are not that big, but I admire your enthusiasm. Here comes the positivity police.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 2, 2014 12:13:46 GMT -5
I like to think of myself more as a member the Blind-Optimism (Eternal) Police, thanks. ;)
MDJ has pics up of Mimi with that contest winner and her friends.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Mar 2, 2014 13:24:24 GMT -5
HolidayGuy, we give you a hard time because you mostly post stats, and whether you're conscious of it or not, you're much more routine with your updates for female artists when they're not looking great. On the other hand, when you have opinions, they're well formed and can be engaging. Before this started charting, I agreed with all of your assessments regarding the song. They were positive, and I thought your comparisons were dead on. If anything, I was hoping that trend would continue (eternally...as I can breathe - NTT, HG).
Whether you love Mariah or hate her, subconsciously, you're obsessed with her. Whenever she has a flop, you start in pop, move to urban/rhythmic, and when it's truly done, you make your way AC. Why not just share your opinions* in the general artists thread instead of posting an update for a dead song every day? Every Mariah fan knows her chances of getting a hit are slim when she doesn't hit the ball out of the park.
*Not age-related. I'll be the first to admit that Madonna was much better at marketing her music to the public in her early to mid 40's than Mariah. Madonna never really lost touch with what's popular, although she used to be more of a trendsetter (something Mariah has really never been--no shade to Mariah, as she's never tried to be innovative in that way.) I just think the argument is moot until Mariah releases something as universally loved as "Beautiful," but with a chorus as catchy as "Heartbreaker" (or "Music" and "Hung Up") to sustain interest.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 2, 2014 14:03:15 GMT -5
My opinion of the song hasn't changed; I like it and see the nods to past Mimi tracks.
I don't think I've posted many YM chart updates in this thread? I have posted some updates in the genre forums/threads, though. And, usually, when something's done well in the past, someone else usually posts the stuff first. But then, if something's not doing all that well, it seems there's less of a rush- but does that mean it shouldn't be posted?
Anyhow... I've been a fan since 1990. Not much of a fan of the 1999-2003 years (though I do think Glitter is a better listen than the 1999 and 2002 albums). And I wasn't that into Memoirs.... But, on the whole, she is and has been among my favorite female acts. As are a few other females who were wildly successful in the 80s, 90s and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 17:35:08 GMT -5
You are literally always clocking any positive news or posts about Mariah with subtle, passive aggressive reminders of her shortcomings or the relativity of the success or good news. But then the minute anyone targets a certain favorite of yours with criticism, you shut them down like there's no point in discussing negativity in an artist's thread and that they should just enjoy the good.
It's really quite transparent...
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Post by kmbgs on Mar 2, 2014 17:52:36 GMT -5
To say that Mariah is not a trendsetter is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:10:52 GMT -5
To say that Mariah is not a trendsetter is absolutely ridiculous. Mariah was a trendsetter in where it counts, musically and vocals. As a singer, songwriter and multi genre legend she has inspired on a MUSICALLY and VOCALLY kind of way. I think where people don't see her as a trendsetter is in the shallow and reserved for less talented artists lane and thats in being a media whore. Mariah inspires in a way a Aretha or Diana or Whitney did, with the arts. I think that's far more important than being a trendsetter in who someone is dating, f**king, outfits and social agendas or writing about f**king and oral sex. The many women who are known for their relationships, fashion and outlandish behavior all happen to be much, much less talented level than a Mariah or Whitney, go google jenny from the block or others. Not hating on them good for them!, you work with what you got so good for them stretching out the little god gave em.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:13:01 GMT -5
There's way too much discussion of people who aren't Mariah aka people I don't care about right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:16:03 GMT -5
oh at that shade.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 2, 2014 18:17:24 GMT -5
Lyor had no idea what to do with her. I credit LA Reid immensely for her comeback. He had the perfect vision for how to bring her back and really took a risk in making her the label's priority after 2 flop albums. I credit Mariah as well. She knew she had to get that comeback and worked her a** off. If she hadn't, none of what LA Reid had envisioned for her would have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:20:10 GMT -5
Lyor had no idea what to do with her. I credit LA Reid immensely for her comeback. He had the perfect vision for how to bring her back and really took a risk in making her the label's priority after 2 flop albums. I credit Mariah as well. She knew she had to get that comeback and worked her a** off. If she hadn't, none of what LA Reid had envisioned for her would have worked. That goes without saying. I was just saying that I don't think it matters if she has some industry legend running the show if they're not prioritizing Mariah. Barry Weiss seems content letting her do whatever the hell she wants, as long as it has some degree of commercial appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:26:27 GMT -5
Lyor had no idea what to do with her. I credit LA Reid immensely for her comeback. He had the perfect vision for how to bring her back and really took a risk in making her the label's priority after 2 flop albums. I credit Mariah as well. She knew she had to get that comeback and worked her a** off. If she hadn't, none of what LA Reid had envisioned for her would have worked. She was on her A++ level game that entire era and she brought but it helps to have somone ground her down and help bring it out. Everyone needs boundaries they shouldn't cross.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 2, 2014 18:26:39 GMT -5
I credit Mariah as well. She knew she had to get that comeback and worked her a** off. If she hadn't, none of what LA Reid had envisioned for her would have worked. That goes without saying. I was just saying that I don't think it matters if she has some industry legend running the show if they're not prioritizing Mariah. Barry Weiss seems content letting her do whatever the hell she wants, as long as it has some degree of commercial appeal. But the situation is also different now. Before 2005, IDJ needed to prove that Mariah could still smash. Now that her legacy is solidified, I think they have loosened up because she's a legend and any other hit single is icing on the cake. I don't even think IDJ has huge expectations for her anymore. For all we know, they could be setting a realistic Platinum goal for her and even if she weren't to reach it they'd be fine. Memoirs basically scanned over 500k off her name and so did MCIIY with the former having more life in it than they saw. E=MC2 is the only album I can see them being disappointed about. I mean who isn't? And again, it was their fault if it didn't reach its full potential. When fans know how to market an album better than the label does, you know there is a problem..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:30:43 GMT -5
That goes without saying. I was just saying that I don't think it matters if she has some industry legend running the show if they're not prioritizing Mariah. Barry Weiss seems content letting her do whatever the hell she wants, as long as it has some degree of commercial appeal. But the situation is also different now. Before 2005, IDJ needed to prove that Mariah could still smash. Now that her legacy is solidified, I think they have loosened up because she's a legend and any other hit single is icing on the cake. I don't even think IDJ has huge expectations for her anymore. For all we know, they could be setting a realistic Platinum goal for her and even if she weren't to reach it they'd be fine. Memoirs basically scanned over 500k off her name and so did MCIIY with the former having more life in it than they saw. E=MC2 is the only album I can see them being disappointed about. I mean who isn't? And again, it was their fault if it didn't reach its full potential. When fans know how to market an album better than the label does, you know there is a problem.. I agree with you. That's why I don't think it seems like the label really cares what direction she goes in at this point. It would take a lot of work to turn the ship around again, and she only has one album left on IDJ anyway.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 2, 2014 18:36:57 GMT -5
But the situation is also different now. Before 2005, IDJ needed to prove that Mariah could still smash. Now that her legacy is solidified, I think they have loosened up because she's a legend and any other hit single is icing on the cake. I don't even think IDJ has huge expectations for her anymore. For all we know, they could be setting a realistic Platinum goal for her and even if she weren't to reach it they'd be fine. Memoirs basically scanned over 500k off her name and so did MCIIY with the former having more life in it than they saw. E=MC2 is the only album I can see them being disappointed about. I mean who isn't? And again, it was their fault if it didn't reach its full potential. When fans know how to market an album better than the label does, you know there is a problem.. I agree with you. That's why I don't think it seems like the label really cares what direction she goes in at this point. It would take a lot of work to turn the ship around again, and she only has one album left on IDJ anyway. Yep. They just need to make sure they force the hand on her a bit if they feel a song is better than another one she likes as a single. LOL And please market her as post- Butterfly Mariah, not a Céline Dion with a Rock cover. And I bet they're happy about '#Beautiful' at least so far. It was a solid hit, well-received, it went Platinum and I bet they broke even with it in terms of money they spent for its promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:50:40 GMT -5
the fact that we all speak so much about the past doesn't bode well for this era, unlike when #Beautiful first came out there is no excitement, news or building up hype for the album. This era will come and go really quick the only wildcard here is the album itself. She is in a transition place and i still stand by the belief we haven't seen the best of Mariah just yet in regards to material. I just get the feeling once she settles into her current place as a woman, artists and career she will be delivering something more authentic , soulful and real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 19:01:03 GMT -5
I do think this album will be solid quality though. I mean she wont play with the songs, they will all be tight. (I also think it will be MC's last attempt at a Top40 album-in terms of attracting new younger fans. Next will be all Urban AC I'm sure). As for the label, he's the man behind Britney, NSnync, Backstreet, R Kelly, QTip and the list goes on... I would love for him to bring some of his expertise to this era.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 22:55:18 GMT -5
Watching Pink sing somewhere over the rainbow as part of the Wizard of OZ tribute at the Oscars and getting a standing O made me realize just why Mariah needs better management. That should've been her, it's a song she can sing AND she was part of the franchise last year! It would've been a perfect opportunity for getting back out there and people would be checking on "you're mine (eternal)" right after. Oh well, JD don't have dem connections.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 2, 2014 23:32:41 GMT -5
The problem is those trust issues with Mariah. She has to hire people she can manipulate rather than hire people she can let do their job. There is a reason why she has a revolving door of managers, and it is because she is a mess. You can tell she treats her managers like she does her kid's nannies. Only Mariah can fix that. IDJ might have a say in her music and what she puts out so to speak, but they don't have a say in her sometimes ridiculous and tacky moments that she puts out there that make the public say wtf. I think she is her own worst enemy and not her record company. I think some of her "moments" have done lasting damage to her career with the public and even the radio world. She has to realize not every moment should be turned into a lamb moment. She should make moments not only for herself, but in the hopes of reaching new people. This is where she needs some of the strongest management in her life. Finding a way to introduce new music to new fans and get them interested in her older material, and only an on point management team can do that.
I will say in JD's defense that was a big score on his part getting that Z100 interview.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Mar 3, 2014 1:23:26 GMT -5
She really needs to figure out this album, quick. This single is going absolutely nowhere. The streaming is ridiculously low (almost negative at this point). She did a dozen radio interviews for a song that puts everyone to sleep. Will these stations have her back when/if the next single is better and ready to be released? (But, I'm not putting much stock into it being better. She should be releasing her best material first.) I need a new diva to stan for. Mariah isn't even in the R&B game anymore (let alone a 4,5,or 6 genre artist). She's too far gone, at this point. I don't think she'll ever deliver a solid, straight-forward album again. Her writing and production is so out of touch. Ok, rant over. (seriously though, as wrong of a move as it'd be at this point, bring on the next single)
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 3, 2014 6:27:42 GMT -5
I think she's perfectly capable of delivering a very solid album again. What she mostly needs is good collaborators. All of her songs are listed as co-writes, which means that at some point in the creation of the records, someone else had an input that resulted in the final product. It's annoying that she keeps going back to JD of all people when there are so many new producers on the field who love her and would love to work with her. I would love to see her work with someone like Frank Ocean or Diplo. There's no reason that Mariah couldn't do a progressive R&B number like Climax and make it her own.
What we're seeing now is Mariah pretty much doing the entire rollout on her own, and her inability to do it well is showing. She may go on and on about how people don't give her credit as a songwriter and a producer, but at the same time she tries to take the entire credit for the commercial success of her past projects at times (or if not the entire credit, than her and the other producers and leaving the business people out). Her biggest albums all had absolutely flawless rollouts and press, and that was because the people on those fronts knew how to do their jobs excellently. She does not know how to do those jobs, and it is painfully showing.
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