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Post by dbhmr on Mar 5, 2014 10:29:19 GMT -5
Retirement would be better than a bunch half-baked releases of snoozy new singles songs. But why do you care if all she releases is snoozy to you? I don't. In fact, if for every three or four duds we get a song like "Beautiful" I'm all for it. I meant more for her lasting legacy and musical relationship with the general public. She had to work really hard to attain the level if respect she did a few years ago but she could easily become a joke again.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 5, 2014 10:39:06 GMT -5
But why do you care if all she releases is snoozy to you? I don't. In fact, if for every three or four duds we get a song like "Beautiful" I'm all for it. I meant more for her lasting legacy and musical relationship with the general public. She had to work really hard to attain the level if respect she did a few years ago but she could easily become a joke again. I disagree, but that's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 10:49:59 GMT -5
I think she's going to be seen as a mix of Aretha, Diana, and Dolly in older age. Wacky diva of divahhhs with questionable decisions about her appearance. That said, I think her musical legacy will only be further and further solidified over time.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 5, 2014 10:59:33 GMT -5
Katy Perry on Mariah:
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Post by Jay D83 on Mar 5, 2014 11:36:47 GMT -5
No the f**k she didn't! Lawd, I want her to have ONE more #1 soooooo bad!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 5, 2014 12:09:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I detect some Mariah-like shade there. Katy thinks she is slick, I see. It's OK. Even at Mariah's worst, at least she can sing on key and doesn't sound like she has an old gremlin trying to escape from her voicebox.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 5, 2014 12:16:15 GMT -5
A veteran act is not a "current" act, no matter how you slice it. That's just how it is. I don't think Katy Perry meant any shade.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 5, 2014 12:20:18 GMT -5
I don't think it was shade at all. I mean look at Mariah's age and Katy's age naturally it is going to be a throwback for her. At least Katy Perry knew what the f*ck she was talking about when it came to Mariah and can name her songs. Someone who isn't a fan doesn't do that. They are like um oh God what is that song by her. Katy was on point with her Mariah knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 12:27:14 GMT -5
Justice for Katy! She is a lamb, it is clear to see
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Post by takingmytimetoday on Mar 5, 2014 12:52:58 GMT -5
Katy Perry should watch what she says. In 10 years, she'll be remembered as...wait, who is this bitch? 24 years since Mariah's debut, she she's still relevant regardless of chart performance. She'll go down as the QUEEN! It doesn't matter. These young floppy fish in the industry have no respect.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 5, 2014 13:33:28 GMT -5
Again, I don't think Katy meant any disrespect at all. I mean she was naming off Mariah songs left and right in that quote who does that if he or she isn't a fan. She even remembered the cute little dog in the One Sweet Day video for crying out loud and even professed her love for Honey. If that isn't a stan, I don't know who would qualify. Mariah is what 14 years older than Katy, so naturally it is going to be back in the day for Katy. Mariah fans need to get used to the fact that a lot of these younger artists are going to refer to music in their childhood as throwback or classic.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 5, 2014 13:35:49 GMT -5
A veteran act is not a "current" act, no matter how you slice it. That's just how it is. I don't think Katy Perry meant any shade. You know you'd be fuming if she were asked about Madonna. Who are you tryna fool here?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 13:40:10 GMT -5
Lol. Katy was not throwing shade. Does she even know how? She's a lot younger than Mariah and grew up on her music. Obviously being queen of the 90s, Mariah's music provides nostalgia for people of a certain age.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 13:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 5, 2014 13:49:07 GMT -5
Lol. Katy was not throwing shade. Does she even know how? She's a lot younger than Mariah and grew up on her music. Obviously being queen of the 90s, Mariah's music provides nostalgia for people of a certain age. Now I don't think she meant harm and she was looking a little boozed as well. But that "throwback" comment may seem suspect.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 5, 2014 14:09:11 GMT -5
Why, Mama P? She's also an M fan. And if she said any Madonna music from the 80s, 90s or even early 2000s was a throwback... in what way would that be incorrect?
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Post by die Lotterie on Mar 5, 2014 15:50:48 GMT -5
I detected a little shade in that response. After the laughter, she then proceeded to save her ass. Don't really care for her, so it's all peaches to me.
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Post by musiclover98 on Mar 5, 2014 16:08:32 GMT -5
I think it was accidental shade. Those songs are throwbacks and clearly Katy is a fan. Those hosts were the ones being shady by even mentioning Mariah in the first place in my opinion.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 5, 2014 16:15:00 GMT -5
Well Fantasy is what 18-19 years old and Honey slowly coming up behind that, so I would say throwback isn't that far off. I mean that would make Katy Perry like 10-11 around the time those songs came out, so I would say it is appropriate for her to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 16:43:40 GMT -5
It probably wasn't meant with ill intent but it does kind of make it seem like Mariah hasn't made any music outside of her 90s classics. Those hosts really baited her with the question when they were like "Someone told us Mariah Carey was the number one female but she's not...right?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 1:03:17 GMT -5
After combing through her words as much as I'd like an opportunity to go off on Katy Perry I think she was trying to give Mariah credit and speak of her as a legend. Its like when Kelly Rowland said in regards to Mariah " She had an amazing voice". No shade was meant unless you choose to take it that way based on what you think of Mimi currently lol.
I think we forget sometimes these pop chicks aren't the brightest or best speakers.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 6, 2014 1:30:33 GMT -5
Mariah Carey started her career a quarter century ago, she IS a throwback. I don't see what's shady about that.
Anyone who thinks that calling songs that are almost 2 decades old as throwbacks is shady needs to check the print on their own birth certificate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 1:49:44 GMT -5
Did you watch the video? It's not like the interviews asked her about Fantasy or Honey and she said "God what a great throwback!"
She said Bey was the #1 female entertainer in the world, the interviewers said "Well what about Mariah? Some people told us she was the #1. She's not right?" And Katy responded with "No, but she's great for a throwback!" I don't think it was meant as shade, but it does make it seem like she isn't a current artist or like she's only "good" for her 90s classics and not any of the music she's made in the 21st century. I'm sure she meant to be like "No but she's a legend!" but it kind of came off like she was saying "No but she was great back when she used to be popular in 7th or 8th grade!"
Granted I don't think anyone should get upset about this because I don't think Katy meant it as shade but it was a little suspect and it's not like the shade allegations are coming out of no where. Also was Katy Perry drunk on a morning show?
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 6, 2014 2:41:43 GMT -5
A veteran act is not a "current" act, no matter how you slice it. That's just how it is. I don't think Katy Perry meant any shade. Mariah is the very definition of current, as she is currently making music. Just sayin'. Yes, she has been an established force in the industry - recognized and loved by all, with records, accolades, blah blah blah - so veteran, yes. But, she is still current. People still know who she is as an artist. It's not like she is Rosemary Clooney, for God's sake. For the record, bayyyybay, I was partially joking when I said Katy was throwing shade. I would call a Mariah jam from back in the day a throwback as well, as her best uptempos are prior to the 2000s anyway, obviously. Calling Katy a lamb because she throws out the name of two of Mariah's biggest hits (both #1s) and video facts from another #1 song HARDLY qualifies. Talk to me when she starts talking about Looking In, Petals, etc. Like millions of other people across the world, Katy probably only has Mariah's #1s album.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Mar 6, 2014 4:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 6, 2014 5:26:45 GMT -5
After combing through her words as much as I'd like an opportunity to go off on Katy Perry I think she was trying to give Mariah credit and speak of her as a legend. Its like when Kelly Rowland said in regards to Mariah " She had an amazing voice". No shade was meant unless you choose to take it that way based on what you think of Mimi currently lol. I think we forget sometimes these pop chicks aren't the brightest or best speakers.And this is exactly the reason why I admire you.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 6, 2014 6:59:49 GMT -5
Not everyone has a thesaurus at the ready, like Mariah does. I mean...even in O.O.C., she was using sophisticated French phrases like <<je ne sais quoi>> and <<c'est la vie>> as well as Italian. All this from a Long Island girl who didn't even graduate HS!! Dem other gorls could NEVER!
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 6, 2014 8:56:18 GMT -5
Wow, well if some of you are going to get butt hurt at someone calling Mariah songs a good throwback, then I think you are in for a world of hurt in the future. Mariah's most popular songs except for WBT came out nearly 20+ years ago, and WBT is coming up on 10 years soon. Mariah is good for a hit here and there at the moment nowhere near as consistent as she used to be, and that really comes down to uninspired material. When Mariah wants to, she can be a force to be reckoned with ala TEOM, but she hasn't put nearly as much effort into the second half of her career as she did the first half. Beyonce is the number 1 female entertainer at the moment. I don't even think Mariah was the number 1 female before Beyonce. I think the number 1 entertainer before Beyonce was Madonna, and in some regards, Madonna still remains the standard for how to entertain. These things do transition.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 6, 2014 9:43:29 GMT -5
A veteran act is not a "current" act, no matter how you slice it. That's just how it is. I don't think Katy Perry meant any shade. Mariah is the very definition of current, as she is currently making music. Just sayin'. Yes, she has been an established force in the industry - recognized and loved by all, with records, accolades, blah blah blah - so veteran, yes. But, she is still current. People still know who she is as an artist. It's not like she is Rosemary Clooney, for God's sake. For the record, bayyyybay, I was partially joking when I said Katy was throwing shade. I would call a Mariah jam from back in the day a throwback as well, as her best uptempos are prior to the 2000s anyway, obviously. Calling Katy a lamb because she throws out the name of two of Mariah's biggest hits (both #1s) and video facts from another #1 song HARDLY qualifies. Talk to me when she starts talking about Looking In, Petals, etc. Like millions of other people across the world, Katy probably only has Mariah's #1s album. lol. Ain't that the truth. Also, the true test came when she didn't named the dog in the One Sweet Day video. She ain't no damn lamb! Yeah, of course she saw the dog in that video, I mean, lets be real that song and video was inescapable that year(16 weeks @ #1, hello!) everybody in America saw that dog, but do they know its name? Calling Mariah a throwback, is like wiping out all of the material she has release in the 2000/10's, really? B!tch ain't foolin no one. She threw shade, SHADE I say!
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Post by Carlitoz on Mar 6, 2014 10:51:07 GMT -5
Mariah is getting perhaps some of her own medicine.... Let's see.
Madonna was born in 1958, Mariah in 1969. Roughly 11-year difference. In 1995 when Mariah was around 26 years old, she said this:
Mariah was born in 1969, Katy in 1984. Roughly 15-year difference. Now in 2014 Katy is around 29 years old. I have not seen the interview this thread is talking about so I cannot see Katy's face or body language to tell more about Katy's intentions. All I can say is that Mariah's video shows NO DOUBT about her wanting to be nasty with those comments.
So now Mariah that has been struggling for a while to have successful singles and albums, I'm sure it bothers her to hear such comments from younger stars. It seems to me a simple case of getting some of your own medicine, a case of karma or however you want to call it... So why is it that lambs are now with their panties all in a bunch???
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