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Post by ss8 on May 9, 2014 10:09:14 GMT -5
^ you kind of just said it and that's why most are saying this isn't looking good. Its apparent now- this isn't a 'surprise/Beyonce' style album release. Therefore, why isn't there 'something' out there? I've never (or at least can't remember anyone dropping an album w/out a single or in this kind of way). In a way though, it's like a poor mans version of a 'traditional release' and what Beyonce did :#. The fact there's an official release date, album title, album cover, art, track list etc..sorry, that's def. a textbook 'traditional release'. Only thing that isn't traditional is there not being a single. Just all so bizarre. It's all just reeking from concerns either between and Mimi and/or IDJ. Either there's no instant, surefire 1st single that reeks from hit or she's just too fearful (after the last several singles not doing well) she's putting all the emphasis on the album hitting #1 as people won't know what they're getting (w/ the new songs).
Aside from here and her message boards, there's basically no buzz or hype. The average person would know if an Adele, Gaga, Rihanna, Katy or even Madonna album was coming out. Not feeling that w/ this album. It's less than 3 weeks away and the mainstream public needs something on the radio before they buy your album (I guess unless your Beyonce, Adele or the like) Again, it's unfortunate it's this way, but we're still talking a 33 year old who's universally praised, get endless positive hype vs. a 44 year old who had a tough year (musically, AI, and w/ the media) and has most likely turned off her record company and def. radio. In '96 Mariah was where Beyonce is now (plus 7 years younger)! Could've had flops yet still get mega hype and endless passes on radio. Obviously it's almost 20 years later and very different circumstances.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on May 9, 2014 10:21:18 GMT -5
^ you kind of just said it and that's why most are saying this isn't looking good. Its apparent now- this isn't a 'surprise/Beyonce' style album release. Therefore, why isn't there 'something' out there? I've never (or at least can't remember anyone dropping an album w/out a single or in this kind of way). In a way though, it's like a poor mans version of a 'traditional release' and what Beyonce did :#. The fact there's an official release date, album title, album cover, art, track list etc..sorry, that's def. a textbook 'traditional release'. Only thing that isn't traditional is there not being a single. Just all so bizarre. It's all just reeking from concerns either between and Mimi and/or IDJ. Either there's no instant, surefire 1st single hit or she's just too fearful (after the last several singles not doing well) she's putting all the emphasis on the album hitting #1 as people won't know what they're getting. Aside from here and her message boards, there's basically no buzz or hype. The average person would know if an Adele, Gaga, Rihanna, Katy or even Madonna album was coming out. Not feeling that w/ this album. It's less than 3 weeks away and the mainstream public needs something on the radio before they buy your album (I guess unless your Beyonce, Adele or the like) Again, it's unfortunate it's this way, but we're still talking a 33 year old who's universally praised, get endless positive hype vs. a 44 year old who had a tough year (musically, AI, and w/ the media) and has most likely turned off her record company and def. radio. In '96 Mariah was where Beyonce is now (plus 7 years younger)! Could've had flops yet still get mega hype and endless passes on radio. Obviously it's almost 20 years later and very different circumstances. Mariah has been very adamant about the album being heard all at once. I am not sure why, but at this point she is getting what she wants. I don't think it is because she doesn't have radio friendly material, but more along the lines we are kind of stuck in an I am Mariah Carey moment, and I am going to deliver this album how I want to deliver it moment. It might not be a bad gamble to wait and see which songs people might be taking to from the album before releasing a single. I have a feeling we will hear something from her from her Today Show concert even if she is just singing a snippet from a new song from the album. I don't view silence from her as a bad thing. Remember she talked a lot during The Art Of Letting Go and You're Mine, and I wouldn't exactly call those songs amazing. So maybe the silence is her way of genuinely keeping it a surprise and not discussing songs, so that when we hear them, we don't have distorted expectations of well Mariah said it was going to be like this, and it turns out it isn't. I wouldn't say Mariah or her people are very good at describing or talking about her songs, so I would rather not hear their descriptions of the songs as they never really accurately capture the song. |
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Post by ss8 on May 9, 2014 10:43:02 GMT -5
^ Sorry, but the "I am not sure why" basically says it all. From what you're saying it appears she (or IDJ) aren't secure 'enough' w/ the material OR even if it is good, they can't handle even the slightest chance of another underperforming song esp. w/ an entire album at stake= even less of a chance of getting #1 on 5/27. And isn't it entirely possible its IDJ, not Mariah, who don't want to put a single out. It was only in a very recent interview (think it was with Andy Cohens talk show) how much she wanted and fought hard for Migrate to be single #2 and def. voiced her disappointment and confusion that it wasn't. Prior to that interview w/in the last 6 months, not once in the last 6 years have I read or heard her say that. I barely recall her speaking positively of the song at some point over the years (not 100%) but not to the degree that she did during that interview.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on May 9, 2014 11:14:25 GMT -5
I don't think it is that at all. I think Mariah knows what she wants to do with this album, and her fans are freaking out because it isn't how she normally does things. I am sure if her record company wanted to they could force her hand and be like choose a single.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 9, 2014 11:17:15 GMT -5
Shows how ageless she is- compare it to Charmbracelet and she looks exactly the same! Well they either used the same old photoshoot or heavily utilized photo-editing software, because Mariah does not look like anything like that now, lol.
People keep mentioning this. You're right AND wrong. She doesn't look like that RIGHT NOW, but when that cover shoot was taken she did look like that(even though there's still editing done like every other cover on the planet). But her body did look like that.
Mariah took those photos last year when she was doing the live Idol shows and #Beautiful was released. May I remind you that she looked like this...
etc. etc. etc....
So check your facts before posting false information...but who am I kidding, that wont stop people here anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 12:10:37 GMT -5
She set herself up for that criticism by looking at least 30lbs lighter on the cover than she does in person. I don't think a close up would get nearly the same reaction. But when she's on TV and they show the album cover it's like uhhhhhhhh... Reminds me of Michael Jackson's Invincible cover where the image looked nothing like him.
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Post by silab on May 9, 2014 12:11:31 GMT -5
^ you kind of just said it and that's why most are saying this isn't looking good. Its apparent now- this isn't a 'surprise/Beyonce' style album release. Therefore, why isn't there 'something' out there? I've never (or at least can't remember anyone dropping an album w/out a single or in this kind of way). In a way though, it's like a poor mans version of a 'traditional release' and what Beyonce did :#. The fact there's an official release date, album title, album cover, art, track list etc..sorry, that's def. a textbook 'traditional release'. Only thing that isn't traditional is there not being a single. Just all so bizarre. It's all just reeking from concerns either between and Mimi and/or IDJ. Either there's no instant, surefire 1st single that reeks from hit or she's just too fearful (after the last several singles not doing well) she's putting all the emphasis on the album hitting #1 as people won't know what they're getting (w/ the new songs). Aside from here and her message boards, there's basically no buzz or hype. The average person would know if an Adele, Gaga, Rihanna, Katy or even Madonna album was coming out. Not feeling that w/ this album. It's less than 3 weeks away and the mainstream public needs something on the radio before they buy your album (I guess unless your Beyonce, Adele or the like) Again, it's unfortunate it's this way, but we're still talking a 33 year old who's universally praised, get endless positive hype vs. a 44 year old who had a tough year (musically, AI, and w/ the media) and has most likely turned off her record company and def. radio. In '96 Mariah was where Beyonce is now (plus 7 years younger)! Could've had flops yet still get mega hype and endless passes on radio. Obviously it's almost 20 years later and very different circumstances. Completely agree. Mariah is quite delusional to think that her release will be fine without a trying to have a hit radio single and that is by releasing one. She isn't Beyonce and outside of this board, you can count how many people are aware of her upcoming release. And deny or not, Mariah CARES a lot about how her singles and albums perform on the chart. I think they are not confident with the material she has. I don't buy this hype about Thirsty as they did the same with her previous singles. I hope I am wrong as I want her to succeed but she is really going for a very dangerous route. With lackluster material and her little to no relevance, only a hit single can sell this. She can appear in many tv shows or award shows, but she still won't sell. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on May 9, 2014 13:05:06 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are assuming a lot about this project. Mariah has not said a word about any song on this album other than the songs that have been released. No one from her record company has hyped up any of the songs. Now Hitboy and a couple of people who have heard Thirsty have hyped it up, but what producer isn't going to hype up his or her own work. She just finished up the album not even a week ago, so who are we to say how the record company feels about the material given. They may love the material, and even as we speak be deciding on the singles for this project with her. We can't pretend that they might not be thinking ok we have screwed up the last two album's singles, so we really need to be on the same page and make sure we are releasing the best songs for singles. I am expecting an urban leaning album given the producers that worked on the album with maybe a song or two that could potentially lean pop. Urban music isn't selling well period. Of all the artists that have suffered from the digital age, urban leaning artists seem to be suffering the most.
I think a lot of people might be missing the point. She seems genuinely beyond caring what people think of her silence on this project. She more than likely knows she needs a hit single to move things, or she may be releasing an album that she feels will be well received critically and really help broaden and define her legacy even more. Regardless, I think even Mariah knows that her best sales days are behind her. Unless you make an album that is filled with material that everyone wants, then the general public is not going to buy your album period in the digital age. I know I don't buy albums anymore unless I like over half the songs on the album; otherwise, I am just buying the songs I like. I think there are a lot of closet Mariah fans out there that don't speak up or aren't the type who are crazy and are like oh my god you guys we have to do a digital download day to try and get that song to number 1. They patiently wait to hear if Mariah has a new album out, and then when she releases one, they snatch it up if the material is good. I think even if she had a hit single at this point people still wouldn't be jumping to buy the album until they heard all of the material. I would say pre-Glitter people would buy a Mariah album without a hit single because she was that consistent with her body of work. Now even if she did have a hit single, they would still want to hear the entire album to make sure it was good before spending the money on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 13:12:02 GMT -5
Her label isn't feeling thirsty at the moment so I doubt it'll be a single.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 9, 2014 13:53:51 GMT -5
I don't think it is that at all. I think Mariah knows what she wants to do with this album, and her fans are freaking out because it isn't how she normally does things. I am sure if her record company wanted to they could force her hand and be like choose a single. I think fans are freaking out because of the way she talks about the album. When she talks like she's in charge and she's doing things as she wants to, she never (in my opinion) releases quality material that appeals to anyone but herself and a handful of people. I'm guessing IDJ will be more than happy to get her out of contract after this album. I almost expect her to start her own label for future releases. When one of the most popular artists of all time says they don't pay attention to pop music, I'd guess they don't see money-making potential in that person. I'm not saying she needs CHR hits to remain relevant; but, I AM saying that making music that doesn't cross genres and has limited, specific appeal is not what got her where she is. And she's not very successful at r&b only music. |
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Post by die Lotterie on May 9, 2014 13:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by Caution on May 9, 2014 14:00:47 GMT -5
From twitter:
@vahesus: According to this insider, from what he has heard, there are at least 5 radio friendly songs (Meteorite, Faded, & the 3 Hit-Boy songs)
@vahesus: Also, her main influences on this album (aside from anything modern) were Daydream and Music Box. Do with that what you will
@vahesus: According to this insider, "Thirsty" is classic Mariah.
@vahesus: The JD songs don't sound like typical JD songs - One has an orchestra, one has EDM influences, and another is an uptempo.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 9, 2014 14:05:39 GMT -5
EDM and Mariah don't go together though....she has made that clear.
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 9, 2014 14:11:04 GMT -5
She looked as good as she ever did about a year ago... I'd love to see her get back to that. But the arm thing, and endless writing/recording sessions probably impeded on her physical activity. I'm sure the promo tour and album tour will quickly get her back in shape!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 14:11:31 GMT -5
EDM and Mariah don't go together though....she has made that clear. The Q-Tip record is the one with a slight EDM influence. |
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Post by vipanonymous on May 9, 2014 14:11:36 GMT -5
From twitter: @vahesus: According to this insider, "Thirsty" is classic Mariah. WTH He means? Classic Mariah to me = It's a fucking masterpiece waiting to slay every living soul on earth. :'( |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on May 9, 2014 14:14:15 GMT -5
3rd 'Song of the Decade' is coming, I can feel it!
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Post by Mean A$$ on May 9, 2014 14:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 9, 2014 14:18:55 GMT -5
Where are the Hit Boy tracks! I'm perched waiting and convulsing at the same time.
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Post by die Lotterie on May 9, 2014 14:20:50 GMT -5
Especially stoked for the EDM influenced track.
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Post by die Lotterie on May 9, 2014 14:21:37 GMT -5
When is this picture from? It's from the recent Terry Richardson shoot. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on May 9, 2014 14:27:30 GMT -5
I don't think it is that at all. I think Mariah knows what she wants to do with this album, and her fans are freaking out because it isn't how she normally does things. I am sure if her record company wanted to they could force her hand and be like choose a single. I think fans are freaking out because of the way she talks about the album. When she talks like she's in charge and she's doing things as she wants to, she never (in my opinion) releases quality material that appeals to anyone but herself and a handful of people. I'm guessing IDJ will be more than happy to get her out of contract after this album. I almost expect her to start her own label for future releases. When one of the most popular artists of all time says they don't pay attention to pop music, I'd guess they don't see money-making potential in that person. I'm not saying she needs CHR hits to remain relevant; but, I AM saying that making music that doesn't cross genres and has limited, specific appeal is not what got her where she is. And she's not very successful at r&b only music. Maybe, Mariah realizes that she is fighting a losing battle with her record company anyway, so she is going to do it how she wants. There is no point in going all out and having a great team in place if the record company is done with you. She can work on finding a great team for the next album. There are rumors about her wanting to leave after this album anyway. Well, she may have songs that cross genres. We don't know the make up of the album yet. #Beautiful was quite the surprise, and that was CHR friendly. She may land herself a CHR hit without even trying to appeal to them. Then again, Mariah, I feel talks out of her ass sometimes. She may not listen to pop music on a consistent basis, but I have a feeling she knows what is going on with pop music. Otherwise, she wouldn't be talking about EDM and other types of trends in interviews. Mariah is very musically astute despite what she tries to portray, or anyone thinks she may know about other genres. The thing about Mariah is she often over compensates when she feels she has to defend her music, and she will lash out about other genres or go into broken record mode about her work not being anything new in working with hip hop artists. |
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Post by Mean A$$ on May 9, 2014 14:32:13 GMT -5
When is this picture from? It's from the recent Terry Richardson shoot. Wow, really? What are people talking about then.. she looks AAAAmaazing!! |
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Post by divasummer on May 9, 2014 16:21:42 GMT -5
I would assume we would be hearing something new at The Today show concert.
Why wouldn't she perform something new?
I wish she could premire a new single there and then get a spot on the Billboard music awards.
So far the talk about the album sounds great but I hope "You're Mine" isn't one of the best tracks on there.
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Post by MiniMusic on May 9, 2014 16:55:43 GMT -5
"You're Mine" is one of her least impressive singles; but I do think the rest of the album isn't reflected in that track. Usually her lead singles aren't the best tracks and don't really show off what the rest of the album is all about (It's Like That, Touch My Body, Obsessed, etc).
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Post by Bojangles on May 9, 2014 17:01:08 GMT -5
I'll be shocked if a new single doesn't drop before the album does. If not before, then right after, at least.
Mariah's face looked really puffy on the David Letterman show, hope she's ok. She wasn't that bloated looking last year, as evident by the American Idol pictures.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 17:18:26 GMT -5
When is this picture from? It's from the recent Terry Richardson shoot. I really dislike those photos. His minimalist style with Mariah's over the top diva image and posing just clashes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 17:59:00 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere the QTip song was co-produced by DJ Cassidy ... did i just make that up or was that true? because DJ Cassidy will bring a certain element of Dance to the track right? Unless she changed the production a bunch....
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 9, 2014 18:08:46 GMT -5
You're not making it up. It was reported last year in a Billboard article. If it's reminiscent of his new material it will be heavily funk and disco inspired which I'm excited about.
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Post by get2nomey on May 9, 2014 20:08:44 GMT -5
Is it me or did Mariah look a bit overweight on the Letterman show. I hate to nitpick because I know it is not easy for some women to keep their figure but she has to be concerned about her public image.
Also I'm worried about this era. How do you guys feel about it. I still don't think this album is going to hit even though I'm eager to hear it. I just hope it doesn't flop and she ends up getting a lot of negative publicity.
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