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Post by Dreams on Jan 14, 2021 13:30:33 GMT -5
I just finished the Walter interview. He’s so stuck on the Casio keyboard story lol Lol at when Mariah called him. Cute though, you can tell he would die if Mariah actually calls him again to write together. He did say over and over Mariah writes everything herself and it’s a true songwriter and it’s among the greats. Dead at the Beyoncé writing shade but he did say he thinks she’s amazing and “smells good”. Run Bey! The tea he spilled on Jimmy Iovine (American Idol days) and David Foster. You can tell David Foster is a d***. David Foster is a misogynistic asshole. His beliefs and opinions about the role of a woman are terrible. Isn't he a trmpster?? 🤮 No wonder Walter A. doesn't come across very fond of him in the interview. I always thought Mariah was alluding to him (David Foster) when she spoke about that producer who tried to have a moment with her, in the studio, in the dark, which she laughed her way out of. But that's obviously my personal assumption. Anyway, I wish Mariah would be a part of the inauguration. So far I've seen Gaga and J.Lo were announced.
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Post by cking33 on Jan 14, 2021 14:07:51 GMT -5
Spotify has an interview with Walter from last month: open.spotify.com/episode/5TBPhDHavpwKzCwbHKTyZxWTF at him saying she now states she started writing "AIWFCIY" as a little girl?! She has never said that before. The interviewer needed to call him out for that and the "scales" comment he made years ago that aligns exactly with how Mariah describes the process. He specifically says they last spoke to each other 4 years ago when Mariah called him for publishing purposes related to her children's book All I Want For Christmas Is You. He says he thought someone was playing a prank on him until Mariah went "Hi, Waldo, it's Mariah!" Per Walter, Mariah even agreed to call him so they could write again. She never did, but he says he'd be the happiest man in the world when she does. He also calls "My Heart Will Go On" boring and stupid lmao! Does anyone associated with that song actually like it? He also shades Beyonce songs having like 9 writers lol. ephelia where you at? Lol. I don't have Spotify, nor will this make me want to get it, but lol at the thinking she was writing it when she was a little girl. If you paid any ounce of attention to what she said, Walter, you'd know she was channeling how she felt about Christmas as a child INTO that song. Ugh. At least get your facts in order. I don't disagree with him about "My Heart Will Go On" though. I don't think that song has held up particularly well over time. EDIT: One of the points I thought the podcast did a good job of bringing up, and it was referenced earlier in the discussion of "Can't Let Go," was that, I think it was Questlove, talked about the sound that Mariah and Walter had created. How it sounded very "clean." I think that's one of the reasons her music has held up so well. We all love Whitney and this is no shade to Whitney, but most of her songs sound dated (and tbh some of them aren't very good as songs). Whitney's majestic voice is what holds that material together and makes it listenable today. Mariah's uptempos from the early 90s and mid 90s, specifically the C&C Music Factory stuff, are certainly of the time. But the stuff she made with Walter, those songs, still have a freshness about them that, while they're not modern sounding, gives them a very timeless feel. I think it's one of the reasons AIWFICY is so successful, why Hero holds up well, why Dreamlover, CLG and My All, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend still sound so good. So props to him for working with her to create that kind of sound.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 14, 2021 15:35:20 GMT -5
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Post by Positive Tension on Jan 14, 2021 19:00:06 GMT -5
Spotify has an interview with Walter from last month: open.spotify.com/episode/5TBPhDHavpwKzCwbHKTyZxWTF at him saying she now states she started writing "AIWFCIY" as a little girl?! She has never said that before. The interviewer needed to call him out for that and the "scales" comment he made years ago that aligns exactly with how Mariah describes the process. He specifically says they last spoke to each other 4 years ago when Mariah called him for publishing purposes related to her children's book All I Want For Christmas Is You. He says he thought someone was playing a prank on him until Mariah went "Hi, Waldo, it's Mariah!" Per Walter, Mariah even agreed to call him so they could write again. She never did, but he says he'd be the happiest man in the world when she does. He also calls "My Heart Will Go On" boring and stupid lmao! Does anyone associated with that song actually like it? He also shades Beyonce songs having like 9 writers lol. ephelia where you at? Lol. I don't have Spotify, nor will this make me want to get it, but lol at the thinking she was writing it when she was a little girl. If you paid any ounce of attention to what she said, Walter, you'd know she was channeling how she felt about Christmas as a child INTO that song. Ugh. At least get your facts in order. I don't disagree with him about "My Heart Will Go On" though. I don't think that song has held up particularly well over time. EDIT: One of the points I thought the podcast did a good job of bringing up, and it was referenced earlier in the discussion of "Can't Let Go," was that, I think it was Questlove, talked about the sound that Mariah and Walter had created. How it sounded very "clean." I think that's one of the reasons her music has held up so well. We all love Whitney and this is no shade to Whitney, but most of her songs sound dated (and tbh some of them aren't very good as songs). Whitney's majestic voice is what holds that material together and makes it listenable today. Mariah's uptempos from the early 90s and mid 90s, specifically the C&C Music Factory stuff, are certainly of the time. But the stuff she made with Walter, those songs, still have a freshness about them that, while they're not modern sounding, gives them a very timeless feel. I think it's one of the reasons AIWFICY is so successful, why Hero holds up well, why Dreamlover, CLG and My All, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend still sound so good. So props to him for working with her to create that kind of sound. Yeah, and even some songs she did without him like "Fantasy" and "Always Be My Baby" still sound fresh to this day. Heck, I even think "Touch My Body" would still work as a radio hit in 2021.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 14, 2021 19:14:14 GMT -5
Mariah and Walter did great fucking work together, it really was brilliant, they were perfect partners. That said, some of my personal favorites don’t have Walter on them, The Roof 😍 , Babydoll, etc.
But “Outside” does so whoops 😅
Ps Touch my Body while fun doesn’t measure up to any of Mariah & walter number ones in an sense whatsoever.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 14, 2021 19:29:20 GMT -5
Finally home and getting into the Questlove podcast. Great stuff so far but can someone get Mariah a decent internet connection?!
I wanna hear every little nuance and her shitty internet gets in the way. Ugh
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Post by Ernesto on Jan 14, 2021 19:45:37 GMT -5
If having No.1 hit records is any indication of how successful a songwriting partnership is: Out of her 19 No.1 songs, she co-wrote 4 with Walter. And he produced or co produced 7 including "I'll Be There" which is a live recording. I am not in the "she should work with Walter again" boat at all.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 14, 2021 19:53:31 GMT -5
He definitely needs her more than she needs him.
You can hear the sense of desperation for lack of a better word on his interview. Even on the last minute he said something to the interviewer like yeah I’m available for work, anyone out there wants to work let’s go, etc
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 14, 2021 20:04:32 GMT -5
If having No.1 hit records is any indication of how successful a songwriting partnership is: Out of her 19 No.1 songs, she co-wrote 4 with Walter. And he produced or co produced 7 including "I'll Be There" which is a live recording. I am not in the "she should work with Walter again" boat at all. . They could do another song together and no one would complain, so there’s that 😊
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Post by Positive Tension on Jan 14, 2021 20:08:58 GMT -5
If they did another song together, I could see many complaining that it wasn't as good as their past songs. Mariah doesn't have anything to gain from partnering up with Walter again, imo.
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Post by Ernesto on Jan 14, 2021 20:15:19 GMT -5
If having No.1 hit records is any indication of how successful a songwriting partnership is: Out of her 19 No.1 songs, she co-wrote 4 with Walter. And he produced or co produced 7 including "I'll Be There" which is a live recording. I am not in the "she should work with Walter again" boat at all. . They could do another song together and no one would complain, so there’s that 😊 People can and will complain as they do about everything. That's human nature! Now if they worked together and the result was good, there shall be no sensible reason to complain but I just don't see it happening.
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 14, 2021 20:19:09 GMT -5
I listen to her post-Mimi output way more frequently than the stuff she did with Walter, so I'm cool with leaving him in the '90s.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 14, 2021 21:41:02 GMT -5
Just finished the Questlove podcast. Wow, what a great and candid interview...and it’s only Part 1! Loved it!!
She was so opened. She talked about her voice and range. About her collaboration with Walter. She didn’t dodge the questions.
In the last few years, she has given us some of the best interviews of her career!
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Post by Eqbk on Jan 14, 2021 21:44:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't get the Walter love either. Maybe it's b/c I became a lamb during the IDJ years but I don't really understand some fans' fixation on them re-uniting. I always found it odd how some give Walter the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't give to her other collaborators. Yes, he helped her make great music that has helped cement her legacy but so have other writers and/or producers. Why him specifically? Especially given how the trajectory of their careers went after they parted ways. Imo, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy in a long time yet some fans want to just give him a free pass. If he wants to collaborate with Mariah so badly, maybe he should work on proving he has something worthwhile to offer her as a producer.
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Post by Ernesto on Jan 14, 2021 21:54:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't get the Walter love either. Maybe it's b/c I became a lamb during the IDJ years but I don't really understand some fans' fixation on them re-uniting. I always found it odd how some give Walter the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't give to her other collaborators. Yes, he helped her make great music that has helped cement her legacy but so have other writers and/or producers. Why him specifically? Especially given how the trajectory of their careers went after they parted ways. Imo, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy in a long time yet some fans want to just give him a free pass. If he wants to collaborate with Mariah so badly, maybe he should work on proving he has something worthwhile to offer her as a producer. I agree with you! I tried to make the point, a few posts ago, that he didn't co-write most of her No.1 hits (4). They made some pretty lovely music together but she was able to move on and continue having success with other producers and co-writers. The only other thing Walter has done that I liked was his co-production on Savage Garden's 1999 No.1 hit "I Knew I Loved You."
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Post by smiley22 on Jan 14, 2021 23:36:37 GMT -5
Do you consider Mariah could carry a Super Bowl performance? And no, this has nothing to do with her talent or voice or any kind of shade. I'm just trying to think of well known upbeat songs that would work well with that type of sports event and getting the crowd energized. I bet I'm forgetting a song somebody will bring up here. And not really referring to a closing ballad, but to the rest of the show. Thanks It’s Like That Migrate Obsessed We Belong Together Full songs.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jan 15, 2021 0:15:35 GMT -5
Do you consider Mariah could carry a Super Bowl performance? And no, this has nothing to do with her talent or voice or any kind of shade. I'm just trying to think of well known upbeat songs that would work well with that type of sports event and getting the crowd energized. I bet I'm forgetting a song somebody will bring up here. And not really referring to a closing ballad, but to the rest of the show. Thanks It’s Like That Migrate Obsessed We Belong Together Full songs. Because Fantasy and Emotions are complete unknowns compared to the first 3.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 0:20:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't get the Walter love either. Maybe it's b/c I became a lamb during the IDJ years but I don't really understand some fans' fixation on them re-uniting. I always found it odd how some give Walter the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't give to her other collaborators. Yes, he helped her make great music that has helped cement her legacy but so have other writers and/or producers. Why him specifically? Especially given how the trajectory of their careers went after they parted ways. Imo, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy in a long time yet some fans want to just give him a free pass. If he wants to collaborate with Mariah so badly, maybe he should work on proving he has something worthwhile to offer her as a producer. What people dont seem to get through their head even though she spent 2 decades shading her earlier songs is as an artist she has ZERO interest in making that kind of music anymore not to mention Walter style songs are NOT being made by anyone now and wouldn't make sense Bottomline move on! Its 2021 not the mid 90s and if feeling nostalgic listen to her old songs
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 15, 2021 0:30:48 GMT -5
We never talk about the concerned letter Tommy Mottola wrote for Mariah urging her to get new, reputable management. She fired Stella 8 months later
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2021 7:55:29 GMT -5
Part 2 of the Questlove podcast dropped. They discuss the Chick album, and it sounds like Millie Bobby Brown might sing some of the songs?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 8:48:13 GMT -5
I think She and Walter could do something in the vein of Portrait (but better). His arrangements were the bomb. I don’t think he is first single material or anything, although, I wonder what ‘With You’ would’ve sounded like with a little of that Waldo magic?! So right there he could’ve been involved with two songs on Caution and it wouldn’t seem out of place. Nobody is saying he should produce the whole album like Emotions or Musicbox, but if he can contribute to the albums quality in anyway then why not take the chance?
Lead The Way is her best post 90’s ballad.
PS: it is the year 2021!! But also a song she did with him is the only thing going to #1 in 2019,2020,2021 so THATS why he keeps coming up. Nobody talks in length about her reuniting with Babyface or Jimmy Jam because although they made good music together they were nowhere on the same level. JD is the closest chemistry she has since Walter but even then doing Save The Day didn’t really save the day.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 15, 2021 9:59:37 GMT -5
If Mariah is going in a more MIAM direction post-Caution I could see something with Walter working, but if she is going to continue the type of production and vibe of Caution I don’t see it really working. I am leaning more toward a Caution direction and less a MIAM direction. I really enjoy Caution as an album far more than I have enjoyed any album as a whole of hers of the 2000’s. I really enjoyed her vocals a lot on Caution. There weren’t any stand out vocal performances on it, but it was exactly where she should have focused her vocals more in that mid-range.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2021 10:40:35 GMT -5
Nobody is saying he should produce the whole album like Emotions or Musicbox He didn't produce those whole albums either. First of all, Walter has never been the sole producer on any Mariah song anyway. "They" produce. Secondly, how dare you whitewash those albums and leave out Clivilles and Cole (and Dave Hall and Babyface as part of Music Box) as well?! No.
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Post by kierz7 on Jan 15, 2021 11:42:32 GMT -5
He definitely needs her more than she needs him. You can hear the sense of desperation for lack of a better word on his interview. Even on the last minute he said something to the interviewer like yeah I’m available for work, anyone out there wants to work let’s go, etc That part took me OUT. 💀 Though let’s not shade the working girls now... This pandemic put everyone out of business. 🌚
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Post by divasummer on Jan 15, 2021 12:07:36 GMT -5
Which songs were instant grats from "Caution" because I paid a 1.29 for each of them and then I completed the album. Does she mean pre singles that aren't highly promoted??? Is she saying the "complete my album" option is like giving stuff away for free because you already bought a few songs and now the full release is dirt cheap?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2021 12:17:43 GMT -5
Which songs were instant grats from "Caution" because I paid a 1.29 for each of them and then I completed the album. Does she mean pre singles that aren't highly promoted??? Is she saying the "complete my album" option is like giving stuff away for free because you already bought a few songs and now the full release is dirt cheap? She means that GTFO, The Distance, A No No, and With You all dropped before the album release. Questlove made the 'free' comment but also said they're songs that don't make the album, which is not usually true.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 15, 2021 12:21:39 GMT -5
I definitely was scratching my head in that conversation. I was like they both need to rewind this conversation and speak a bit better about this. There was a lot of misconstruing of what did and didn’t happen during the rollout of Caution.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 15, 2021 12:28:41 GMT -5
I thought the most laughable part of that conversation was when she said lambs didn’t appreciate the instant grats because they want a single and to see it do well. I was like lambs would never suggest a thing like that because they want you to release as much material as possible as if the lambs were truly upset about hearing all those songs early.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2021 12:30:36 GMT -5
I thought the most laughable part of that conversation was when she said lambs didn’t appreciate the instant grats because they want a single and to see it do well. I was like lambs would never suggest a thing like that because they want you to release as much material as possible as if the lambs were truly upset about hearing all those songs early. To be fair I do remember fans being confused as to which songs was the single, and then being disappointed they had heard half of the album by the time it dropped. In regards to seeing a single do well, those days are gone for Mariah, but some stans don't see it that way and will continue to be upset when her singles don't go to #1.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 15, 2021 12:37:06 GMT -5
I thought the most laughable part of that conversation was when she said lambs didn’t appreciate the instant grats because they want a single and to see it do well. I was like lambs would never suggest a thing like that because they want you to release as much material as possible as if the lambs were truly upset about hearing all those songs early. To be fair I do remember fans being confused as to which songs was the single, and then being disappointed they had heard half of the album by the time it dropped. In regards to seeing a single do well, those days are gone for Mariah, but some stans don't see it that way and will continue to be upset when her singles don't go to #1. It was confusing for sure, but I thought they made it clear relatively soon after GTFO dropped that With You was the first single. I do remember being confused when The Distance and A No No dropped as well, but I don’t think complaints really hit until they realized the length of the album. I didn’t recall too many people upset at having heard the songs. I remember people saying wait why wasn’t this a single vs. being upset they had heard it. I also think Mariah is past the stage in her career where a single matters in the grand scheme of album sales.
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