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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 7, 2014 18:49:25 GMT -5
Yes, a lot of the show was lipped. A lot was live, too, though, and those vocals were really strong after the first couple of shows. It's also really common for singers to lip part of all of a show. Both Beyonce and Celine lip in their shows. I don't know why Mariah gets singled out. Shes not getting singled out. People are responding to people saying that her elusive show was 100 percent live. No one was saying that she lipped everything and no one was saying that her live vocals werent good and strong as the show progressed. Why are lambs so defensive?.. this kind of thing happens all the time here and it causes most of the arguments. My comment about being "singled out" was about how people jump on Mariah for lipping but don't jump on her contemporaries for doing the same thing. In general Mariah gets hated on more than most artists. We all know that's true.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 19:03:17 GMT -5
Shes not getting singled out. People are responding to people saying that her elusive show was 100 percent live. No one was saying that she lipped everything and no one was saying that her live vocals werent good and strong as the show progressed. Why are lambs so defensive?.. this kind of thing happens all the time here and it causes most of the arguments. My comment about being "singled out" was about how people jump on Mariah for lipping but don't jump on her contemporaries for doing the same thing. In general Mariah gets hated on more than most artists. We all know that's true. Lipping is part of performing, i dont really care to be honest. I dont think Celine gets a pass for her lipping. Everyone knows she does it. I dont really follow Beyonce so i dont know what she does.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 7, 2014 19:14:10 GMT -5
My comment about being "singled out" was about how people jump on Mariah for lipping but don't jump on her contemporaries for doing the same thing. In general Mariah gets hated on more than most artists. We all know that's true. Lipping is part of performing, i dont really care to be honest. I dont think Celine gets a pass for her lipping. Everyone knows she does it. I dont really follow Beyonce so i dont know what she does. If she doesn't get a pass for it, then please show me the links to articles and messageboard posts where people go in on Celine for lipping.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 19:37:27 GMT -5
I really don't think people care enough to discuss Celine in 2014.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:04:48 GMT -5
Lipping is part of performing, i dont really care to be honest. I dont think Celine gets a pass for her lipping. Everyone knows she does it. I dont really follow Beyonce so i dont know what she does. If she doesn't get a pass for it, then please show me the links to articles and messageboard posts where people go in on Celine for lipping. on celines own fan site she gets slammed and called out all the time for lipping !! people know
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:07:32 GMT -5
I really don't think people care enough to discuss Celine in 2014. good point !
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:12:27 GMT -5
Lipping is part of performing, i dont really care to be honest. I dont think Celine gets a pass for her lipping. Everyone knows she does it. I dont really follow Beyonce so i dont know what she does. If she doesn't get a pass for it, then please show me the links to articles and messageboard posts where people go in on Celine for lipping. i remember reading this at the time and there was loads of discussion on lipping. also some show she did on french tv at the time and there was loads of talk about that too. www.celinedionforum.com/forum/91-mini-tour-2013/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:12:53 GMT -5
There isnt a singer who steps on a stage who doesn't lip or play backing tracks nowadays. My opinion on lipping is clear across the board. It's acceptable to me as once in a while thing. It's acceptable if you're doing elaborate and entertaining sets.
It's no secret that during the summer, last summer i called out Mimi. However to call her out today, right now in 2014 at this moment is LUDICROUS. Mariah has bee giving us honest performances since the very start of her tour. Good or bad or somewhere in the middle that is all that counts.
To bring up lipping now is just a cry for attention on certain posters part. Its to draw arguments and debates over something that isnt fact or relevant today. If every missed note or not perfect live performance creates such uproar, i could see her going back to last summer. When she gets called out for lipping its a small blimp when she misses a note live its Boeing sized mess and days of internet memes. A already sensitive voice in her heyday is now even more sensitive. Its not that she cant sing, its that on some occasions if the stars, moons and weather arent aligned when she goes for the notes its not there. The very next performance could be very different.
In a day and age when nothing ages on the outside that a good doctor can't fix, I think we all forgot what the natural progression of life is. The vocal chords like everything else age. Michael Jordan, Mohammed Ali and every other great singer or athlete has been through this period. I have accepted it you should too.
Fit and tanned i'm sure you are aware what age does to the body and face after a time, I'm pretty sure you are reasonable enough to understand her predicament.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:20:47 GMT -5
There isnt a singer who steps on a stage who doesn't lip or play backing tracks nowadays. My opinion on lipping is clear across the board. It's acceptable to me as once in a while thing. It's acceptable if you're doing elaborate and entertaining sets. It's no secret that during the summer, last summer i called out Mimi. However to call her out today, right now in 2014 at this moment is LUDICROUS. Mariah has bee giving us honest performances since the very start of her tour. Good or bad or somewhere in the middle that is all that counts. To bring up lipping now is just a cry for attention on certain posters part. Its to draw arguments and debates over something that isnt fact or relevant today. Coco I or those who you are referring to didnt bring up the lipping. It was brought up by someone who (quoting something I had said) claimed her whole show was 100 percent live and we responded to that. I really dont care that she lips, it doesnt bother me. Only think i think she should do is use updated vocals. its too obvious when she uses the studio recorded ones. even in My all the lines she lips stand out so much from the rest.
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Post by Ivy Leegueâ„¢ on Dec 7, 2014 20:27:54 GMT -5
Fit and tanned i'm sure you are aware what age does to the body and face after a time
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5
There isnt a singer who steps on a stage who doesn't lip or play backing tracks nowadays. My opinion on lipping is clear across the board. It's acceptable to me as once in a while thing. It's acceptable if you're doing elaborate and entertaining sets. It's no secret that during the summer, last summer i called out Mimi. However to call her out today, right now in 2014 at this moment is LUDICROUS. Mariah has bee giving us honest performances since the very start of her tour. Good or bad or somewhere in the middle that is all that counts. To bring up lipping now is just a cry for attention on certain posters part. Its to draw arguments and debates over something that isnt fact or relevant today. If every missed note or not perfect live performance creates such uproar, i could see her going back to last summer. When she gets called out for lipping its a small blimp when she misses a note live its Boeing sized mess and days of internet memes. A already sensitive voice in her heyday is now even more sensitive. Its not that she cant sing, its that on some occasions if the stars, moons and weather arent aligned when she goes for the notes its not there. The very next performance could be very different. In a day and age when nothing ages on the outside that a good doctor can't fix, I think we all forgot what the natural progression of life is. The vocal chords like everything else age. Michael Jordan, Mohammed Ali and every other great singer or athlete has been through this period. I have accepted it you should too. Fit and tanned i'm sure you are aware what age does to the body and face after a time, I'm pretty sure you are reasonable enough to understand her predicament. I think you need to read the last 3 pages and see how this lipping mess started. I didnt start it. And as for my face and body, im doing ok for the moment. But thanks for the shade, a brother needed a break from the glare. Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:34:34 GMT -5
Oh dear I didnt mean it that way daaaahling. I'm Mary Poppings, i dont insult! I just meant everyone is aware of aging. However if you took as a insult, that is NOT due to me.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 20:37:34 GMT -5
Oh dear I didnt mean it that way daaaahling. I'm Mary Poppings, i dont insult! I just meant everyone is aware of aging. However if you took as a insult, that is NOT due to me. whatever you say, it was clearly aimed at me. And its Poppins. It doesnt have a g.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:55:41 GMT -5
It's not what i say, its what you think, clearly. I am very sorry my appeal to your common sense has become you signing your name to something that got interpreted the wrong way.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 7, 2014 21:18:00 GMT -5
It's not what i say, its what you think, clearly. I am very sorry my appeal to your common sense has become you signing your name to something that got interpreted the wrong way. My common sense is totally intact. I dont expect mariah carey to sound like its 1996. Im ok with her sounding like its 2014. Pn tour she sang WBT as good as she did in 2005 and that was more than enough for me.
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Post by die Lotterie on Dec 7, 2014 22:59:29 GMT -5
There isnt a singer who steps on a stage who doesn't lip or play backing tracks nowadays. My opinion on lipping is clear across the board. It's acceptable to me as once in a while thing. It's acceptable if you're doing elaborate and entertaining sets. It's no secret that during the summer, last summer i called out Mimi. However to call her out today, right now in 2014 at this moment is LUDICROUS. Mariah has bee giving us honest performances since the very start of her tour. Good or bad or somewhere in the middle that is all that counts. To bring up lipping now is just a cry for attention on certain posters part. Its to draw arguments and debates over something that isnt fact or relevant today. Coco I or those who you are referring to didnt bring up the lipping. It was brought up by someone who (quoting something I had said) claimed her whole show was 100 percent live and we responded to that. I really dont care that she lips, it doesnt bother me. Only think i think she should do is use updated vocals. its too obvious when she uses the studio recorded ones. even in My all the lines she lips stand out so much from the rest. Read my last post again, buff and sunkissed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 2:29:08 GMT -5
I cannot believe that some meaningless Christmas tree lighting performance has inspired 10 pages of debate about Mariah's future as a recording artist, the role of lipping in concerts and the melanin of fellow users.
What kind of Obsessed Remix (ft. Gucci Mane) teas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 6:44:41 GMT -5
Trey Songz' cover of "All I Want For Christmas Is You" is now on iTunes. Seems like there are more covers this year than any other year.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 8, 2014 9:18:03 GMT -5
Christmas gem of the day:
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 8, 2014 10:43:22 GMT -5
Coco I or those who you are referring to didnt bring up the lipping. It was brought up by someone who (quoting something I had said) claimed her whole show was 100 percent live and we responded to that. I really dont care that she lips, it doesnt bother me. Only think i think she should do is use updated vocals. its too obvious when she uses the studio recorded ones. even in My all the lines she lips stand out so much from the rest. Read my last post again, buff and sunkissed. Which one? the one where you linked the obviously lipped performances claiming they are live ? Moving on..
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Post by kmbgs on Dec 8, 2014 11:03:23 GMT -5
Taylor is a lamb I love her LOL @taylorswift13: As my 25th birthday present from the media, I'd like for you to stop accusing all my friends of dating me. #thirsty
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Dec 8, 2014 11:27:00 GMT -5
I guess one of the positives of the Rockefeller performance is the youtube uploads for streaming. The biggest one has 1.5 million views last week. Plus the video is now over 87 million views. It should be close to 100 million by the end of the year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 8, 2014 11:39:00 GMT -5
It's a shame to me more people haven't spoken out in defense of Mariah. Debbie Gibson, Marc Shaiman, and...? Not even Randy or JD could say something? Where are other singers talking about how everyone has a bad day or whatever?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:56:20 GMT -5
It's a shame to me more people haven't spoken out in defense of Mariah. Debbie Gibson, Marc Shaiman, and...? Not even Randy or JD could say something? Where are other singers talking about how everyone has a bad day or whatever? She fired JD and Randy a while ago. It goes to show who your real friends are (when they no longer on the payroll). At least Walter Afanasieff is still trying to reach out and be there for her... after being canned 17 years ago... (and you know JD is very vocal on social media so if he wanted to he could've "writtin" a blog about it). I wouldn't mind if she did a total album with marc shaiman
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:01:22 GMT -5
In a day and age when nothing ages on the outside that a good doctor can't fix, I think we all forgot what the natural progression of life is. The vocal chords like everything else age. Michael Jordan, Mohammed Ali and every other great singer or athlete has been through this period. I have accepted it you should too. Yeah but Michael Jordan and mohamed ali were no longer active on a professional level when their talents became less. Mariah's still going for that #1. (which makes her a target).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:19:47 GMT -5
Lol @ Walter trying to be her "friend". His comments are getting him more attention than he's had in years and his production work has become incredibly infrequent. "Friends" don't talk about how they think your life is a disaster to the "press" (see Internet radio stations with a listener base comprised of those listening to recordings after the fact to hear the "tea"). Thirsty would be an understatement. When you reach Mariah's level of fame, "real" friends without ulterior motives are hard to come by. Walter is a stereotypical parasite. "Let it go..."
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Dec 8, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -5
I guess one of the positives of the Rockefeller performance is the youtube uploads for streaming. The biggest one has 1.5 million views last week. Plus the video is now over 87 million views. It should be close to 100 million by the end of the year. I wonder how much of a boost these views will help the song on the Hot 100
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 8, 2014 13:33:46 GMT -5
Have any of you read through the replies to Marc Shaiman's facebook post? There are some notable Broadway artists making really nice replies.
Bobby Lopez - co-writer of "Let It Go" and winner of an Oscar, Emmy, Tony, and Grammy: "Plus her vocals aren't even bad. they're just live."
Singer Emily Bindiger: "I just watched the video of her performance. It was fine! Not her best, but not horrible, and YOU get up and do that!"
Performer John Benthal (who was involved with Idina's taping): "I can tell you first hand that the conditions on that stage were extremely difficult and the NBC sound crew was a complete incompetent mess, (in addition to the terrible weather). Our earphone monitors were cutting in and out while we were performing. Including Idina's. People shouldn't judge."
Actress Tina Maddigan: "There are so many factors that go into performing live. When you get up and perform you're putting your trust into a technicians hands and I think that this is just a low blow bitches... Low blow!!!"
Sound technician John Kilgore: "Am I the only sound professional who thinks our job description should always include discretion? I see great singers on bad days or in bad stretches who are having vocal trouble, and it is definitely not my job to humiliate them, no matter whether they are nice people or not. The pressures of a life in the public eye are incomprehensible to most of us, and it can make some people behave badly. But that's no reason to make it worse for them. The sound person who posted this, in my opinion, has disgraced our profession and has broken the trust that should exist without question between us and the performers we depend on for our livelihood."
Marc replied: "Part of our job is to NEVER do something like this. Ironically, I sat for hours (actually 2 days) SALVAGING a vocal by someone who works very closely with a friend who posted this isolated track of Mariah. I don't think they would appreciate it if I released the raw tapes from which I created that performance."
Actor Jeffrey Todd: "AMEN!! Leave Mimi alone… we all have bad days and vocal fatigue!! SHEESH!"
Meanwhile...
It says "Summary" so I guess there is more, but I love that quote!
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Post by Ivy Leegueâ„¢ on Dec 8, 2014 17:21:24 GMT -5
YESSSSSS. Praise that human Queen. All she has to do is give a good performance to remove the bad taste left in the public's mouth. EW had the nerve to post some video of Mariana singing All I Want For Christmas and ask: "who sang it better?" If she continues to mumble her way through songs, I'm sure she can preserve her vocal cords. She has never and will never sing to the heavens like her Idol has for so many years, so I just . Meanwhile, real singers understand that there were a few factors that went into what happened the night of Mariah's performance and are rightfully defending her.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Dec 8, 2014 17:23:47 GMT -5
Marinara Sauce will never have that UMPH Mariah had in her voice at that age. Mariah had such a powerful voice at that age...it's just impossible to compare.
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