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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 13, 2015 12:33:13 GMT -5
Yes- I mean, she probably sees it as a way to get Mariah's attention, when her own attempts to reconcile may have failed. But surely there's got to be a (better) way. I wonder what Alison's relationship is with their mother.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 12:39:49 GMT -5
^^ Going through the media never works it probably has the opposite reaction. Off topic but its tacky like Mathews jump off using her daughter in that Inside Edition or whatever program it was trying to get her daughter to get to know Beyonce. eeeek and yuck. It always boils down to when they want money more than they want a personal relationship the media is a way of sorta blackmailing the famous person.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 13, 2015 13:44:07 GMT -5
I don't know if these are new children but Mariah practically raised her son Sean, so any suggestion she's somehow depriving Alison's kids of a relationship because Mariah herself doesn't have a strong relationship with her sister is off-base. This is a lot more complex than a short tabloid article, and Mariah has the right to keep details of the support she's given to her sister to herself. Sean or Shawn, yeah that's him. He was just at the last Xmas show with Mariah's mom, his grandma. Mariah has always supported him. She even sent him to Harvard Law and he's now a lawyer. And not for anything, because kids are never to blame, but why would Alison give birth two more times knowing her "illness" and her substance abuse problems? A find that irresponsible...but that's another story.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 13, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
The thing is Mariah has always been someone who has been very guarded about her personal business, and putting her personal business out there like Nick, Alison, etc. is a quick way to get black listed! That is why she is one of the few celebs that I actually respect for not being a trashy, attention seeking c*nt. Less is more sometimes .
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Post by divasummer on Jan 13, 2015 18:21:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Mariah is appearing on "Ellen" on Thurs? It was said to be a big announcement. Vegas maybe or a possible US Tour?????
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 18:29:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Mariah is appearing on "Ellen" on Thurs? It was said to be a big announcement. Vegas maybe or a possible US Tour????? Not sure at all
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 18:52:29 GMT -5
The thing is Mariah has always been someone who has been very guarded about her personal business Brenda's another one. Mariah stopped paying her bills years ago, and she ran to the tabloids to rag on her after she cut her off. Mariah has never commented on those details. Then there's Walter...
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 13, 2015 18:53:28 GMT -5
I had to drag my best friend of 20+ years for sending me some text about how she can't support Mariah anymore, along with an article from IN TOUCH f**king MAGAZINE, in which Alison talks about how Mariah denies her access and such. I. CANNOT. I said "You don't know the whole story. Please don't send me these disreputable rag stories. Thanks!" She has NEVER paid for ANYTHING of Mariah's anyway so I'm not sure what support she is referring to. LOL. Still talking about this filth. Having had to cut members of my own family off (and some still keep crawling out of the gutter...), I would personally understand if Mariah wants NOTHING to do with Alison and guess what, that's her fucking right. These people writing don't even know what they are writing about because they are not in Mariah's business like that. So, why bother?
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Post by Dreams on Jan 13, 2015 19:35:32 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Mariah is appearing on "Ellen" on Thurs? It was said to be a big announcement. Vegas maybe or a possible US Tour????? Has to be Vegas. She was seen in Ceasar's Palace with her kids and entouarge the other day. That'd be too damn random if she wasn't there for a specific reason (inking a deal and whatnot).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 3:34:27 GMT -5
This performance still goes hard.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2015 8:41:35 GMT -5
^Love it.
Been listening to The Elusive Chanteuse more lately- some of my favorites on it even rival my faves from The Emancipation... and rank up there with the best overall.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2015 9:59:49 GMT -5
This performance still goes hard. Once in a while, I look at my video from that epic day and shed a small tear. Never in a million years would I imagine that I could see her perform that song live. #memories.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 11:34:48 GMT -5
^Love it. Been listening to The Elusive Chanteuse more lately- some of my favorites on it even rival my faves from The Emancipation... and rank up there with the best overall. IMO MIAMTEC is better than TEOM. I like the uptempos more (YDKWTD and Meteorite being my favorite Mariah uptempos since Heartbreaker), and Cry and Camouflage have become some of my favorite ballads of hers EVER- so emotional, raw, and real. I think Dedicated is one of her coolest songs ever, and Faded is another gem. For me, MIAMTEC is her best since Butterfly. And it for this reason that I will always want new music from Mariah, no matter how badly it flops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 12:41:19 GMT -5
Agreed. Taken as a whole, I think it's a better album than Mimi and her best since Butterfly. That was my initial impression after listening for the first time over the spring, but I still maintain that opinion.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2015 13:06:12 GMT -5
Yes, even the tracks I don't LOVE, I find some enjoyment/satisfaction. The only one I don't really care for is "Thirsty," though I don't dislike it as much as a certain opening track from the 2008 album.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 14, 2015 13:35:25 GMT -5
Yes, even the tracks I don't LOVE, I find some enjoyment/satisfaction. The only one I don't really care for is "Thirsty," though I don't dislike it as much as a certain opening track from the 2008 album. THIRSTY is my favorite song on the album by far. Well, not by farm Dedicated comes in at a very close second. I love her background vocals on Leaving me drowning (iiiing}
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Post by kmbgs on Jan 14, 2015 13:37:50 GMT -5
Ya'll can burn me at the stake but I RULLY don't like MIAM. I took all the songs save Meteorite, YDKWTD, TAOLG, Heavenly, and OMT off my phone because I just can't.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2015 14:21:02 GMT -5
To quote Gwen Stefani: Go on baby, get the lightah. We gonna start the fiyah.
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Post by vipanonymous on Jan 14, 2015 14:46:03 GMT -5
MIAM has some great jams into it. I know many lambs will burn me alive, but her best 00's release to me was E=MC², what fun record. She was just chillin'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 15:08:36 GMT -5
I welcome differing opinions, but I cringed reading the genuine dislike some have for Me: I Am Mariah. About two years ago, I started slowly collecting her discography and, now, I have every one of her studio albums. Me: I Am Mariah has undoubtedly become the standout, and I continue to regularly listen to it - especially "You Don't Know What To Do," "Meteorite," "Beautiful," "Thirsty," and "Make It Look Good." I love certain tracks from every album, of course, but Me: I Am Mariah provides the best listening experience because I rarely feel the need skip anything.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2015 16:19:05 GMT -5
BOW to @dawson, lessers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 16:30:21 GMT -5
It was discounted for the first time this week to $5.99 I wonder what effect that had on sales this week for MIAMTEC?
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Post by surfy on Jan 14, 2015 18:40:25 GMT -5
Mariah's album had some really great tracks on it!
I still listen to the album regularly!!!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2015 18:48:53 GMT -5
I welcome differing opinions, but I cringed reading the genuine dislike some have for Me: I Am Mariah. About two years ago, I started slowly collecting her discography and, now, I have every one of her studio albums. Me: I Am Mariah has undoubtedly become the standout, and I continue to regularly listen to it - especially "You Don't Know What To Do," "Meteorite," "Beautiful," "Thirsty," and "Make It Look Good." I love certain tracks from every album, of course, but Me: I Am Mariah provides the best listening experience because I rarely feel the need skip anything. Stan from the minute Vision of Love dropped and I completely agree. No other album in her entire catalog has as much replay value for me as this one and I don't see that changing. I feel like this was the album she was building up to all these years. No more maudlin ballads that plagued her Tommy years and beyond (as beautifully sung as they were, it is what it is...) - raw, emotional, and still brilliantly executed. I think that's what really does it for me this time around. Other than singing circles around her competition for all those years, her ballads were a little...lacking in the emotional honesty apartment, if I'm being real. Flawlessly executed, from a technical standpoint, but it's not always about that. Sure, she has been soulful before but Make It Look Good DRIPS pure soul. The last song I felt that kind of soulfulness didn't even make its way onto an album (i.e. I Feel It). Even a throwaway track like Money is what the crappy rapfests on Charmbracelet were supposed to be. I really don't think I can rave about this masterpiece enough.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 14, 2015 18:52:47 GMT -5
The melisma, runs, and ad-libs on Money ($*/...) are just heaven.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2015 21:31:11 GMT -5
Nick can say anything at this point and it wouldn't do a lick of damage to Mariah. I mean, Nicki couldn't get people on the anti-Mariah train when she tried it on Idol. That was all a publicity stunt. I mean the two worked together and had no problems, then all of the sudden, they're both on Idol and in a "feud"... I think many people came out saying it was all staged, or am I incorrect for that? The feud was real and, honestly, Mariah deserves a lot of the blame. When the rumors of Nicki being a judge started, that's when Mariah took to twitter suggesting Lenny Kravitz and was tweeting about not being informed/involved in the decision. That got back to Nicki, who was deservedly hurt since she thought they were friendly after "UOMF." When they got to AI and started judging, I do think Nicki took things too personally and made it really aggressive. That was her fault, but she was coming from a place of being hurt. I've had a couple of friends who were alcoholics and drug abusers, and at some point you have to let them go. I was constantly having to bail them out of situations, and it becomes a drain. Mariah in no way has an obligation to keep enabling her sister. People have to take ownership of their own lives. I believe Patricia has taken the same stance as Mariah. I am pretty sure she was involved in getting custody of Shawn (or at least one of Alison's kids).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 22:31:22 GMT -5
I think MIAM is my 4th favorite album of hers, after Butterfly, TEOM and her debut.
The only track I never listen to is One More Try.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2015 22:42:28 GMT -5
Yes, even the tracks I don't LOVE, I find some enjoyment/satisfaction. The only one I don't really care for is "Thirsty," though I don't dislike it as much as a certain opening track from the 2008 album. My only real issue with "Thirsty" is that it sticks out on the album because it's so clearly modern as compared to the other tracks. Taken on its own it's a fine track; the relevant lyric, the terrific melody, and the production all knock. The tour helped me love the song even more because of that EPIC intro. I welcome differing opinions, but I cringed reading the genuine dislike some have for Me: I Am Mariah. About two years ago, I started slowly collecting her discography and, now, I have every one of her studio albums. Me: I Am Mariah has undoubtedly become the standout, and I continue to regularly listen to it - especially "You Don't Know What To Do," "Meteorite," "Beautiful," "Thirsty," and "Make It Look Good." I love certain tracks from every album, of course, but Me: I Am Mariah provides the best listening experience because I rarely feel the need skip anything. Stan from the minute Vision of Love dropped and I completely agree. No other album in her entire catalog has as much replay value for me as this one and I don't see that changing. I feel like this was the album she was building up to all these years. No more maudlin ballads that plagued her Tommy years and beyond (as beautifully sung as they were, it is what it is...) - raw, emotional, and still brilliantly executed. I think that's what really does it for me this time around. Other than singing circles around her competition for all those years, her ballads were a little...lacking in the emotional honesty apartment, if I'm being real. Flawlessly executed, from a technical standpoint, but it's not always about that. Sure, she has been soulful before but Make It Look Good DRIPS pure soul. The last song I felt that kind of soulfulness didn't even make its way onto an album (i.e. I Feel It). Even a throwaway track like Money is what the crappy rapfests on Charmbracelet were supposed to be. I really don't think I can rave about this masterpiece enough. While I do agree some of her 90s ballads were lacking in raw emotion ("When I Saw" you comes to mind), I don't think a blanket statement like that about her ballads can be made. Just listen to the "Love Takes Time" bridge! "Can't Let Go" has an immediate, soulful vocal (and even more so in live versions). "If It's Over" has great emotion; I love the way she almost speaks the verses because it makes them like a pointed conversation. I think Music Box songs like "Music Box" and "Just to Hold You Once Again" have an inherent loneliness in their vocals. "Butterfly" is pure emotion! She delivers those fragile verses, and then she lets loose from the bridge to those final ad-libs. That's real emotional release. "The Beautiful Ones" has some really intimate verses and then gritty ad-libs, though it's by no means a conventional ballad so it may not fit this discussion. I think her reading of "Against All Odds" contains genuine emotion; you can tell she was singing about her feelings toward Derek. Hell, "My All" fits that, too. That song has one of her purest readings. "Can't Take That Away" has a really uplifting vocal to me because of Mariah's delivery (it certainly has more emotion in it than the recorded version of "Hero" and I get why she considered it her theme at that point).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 22:51:41 GMT -5
MIAM and TEOM are both very deep and soulful to me but I still find that MIAM had more musicality than any album she put out since 1997's classic "Butterfly". There is intricate background work, personal material, throwback r&b and dance and a wider mix of genres than TEOM. It came at a time that I was wondering if Mariah was maybe hitting that wall in terms of songwriting. Lyrically Triumphant and Art of Letting Go were basic and trite. Yes she sang her ass of in TAOLG but lyrically speaking i was concerned. The album to me is just vindication that she still has it and her expression musically is as strong as ever. The business end was a mess and created the back story of negative reactions but the music? Hard pressed to think of better pop or r&b albums by her contemporaries that match the depth, and musicality that album contained.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2015 22:59:45 GMT -5
I don't remember half of the debut, which says a lot. The only songs I care about from that album are Vision of Love and Vanishing, if I'm being honest. ONCE in a while, I am in the mood for Love Takes Time and Someday, but those songs have aged as well as guacamole left out on the counter. I got back into All In Your Mind randomly somewhat recently but have since abandoned it and never need to hear it again. Alone In Love comes up on SongPop and I struggle to get it right. If there are other songs on the album, I can't even tell you the names. Emotions - I still love the title track and the ridiculously dramatic, but potent ballads. I don't care for that C&C Music Factory sounding shit. I barely liked in the 90s. Music Box - same as with Emotions. Daydream - has more staying power than the others but still songs I don't care about exist on that album. Butterfly - love from start to finish. Breakdown was my favorite Mariah Carey song for years...I would say up til MOAIA actually. There's also Babydoll. There's also THE FUCKING ROOF and that incredible remix with Mobb Deep. There's HONAAAAAAY IT'S LIIIIIKE. There's one of her only R&B covers of that time period (actually, isn't it her only R&B cover period?!) and I love it. The ending especially with all that hollering. I actually loved Whenever You Call at one point. It just hasn't aged well. Everything else is great. Rainbow - eh. I have made my feelings known more times than I can count but for the record, when it came out, I was a sophomore in college. I got it from Napster leaked a couple months in advance, if I'm not mistaken, and still wound up buying it. Never warmed up to How Much. What a waste of a collab. I love Heartbreaker so much that I honestly don't care much about the remix, as well-intentioned as it was. Crybaby is still a groove. Thank God I Found You...I felt that way at the time so it spoke to me. Same with Against All Odds but now it sounds like a caterwauling mess with scratchy vocals. After Tonight...I sweated it like I sweated My All but an obvious tribute to that superior song. The rest of that album is whatever. Glitterbomb - A work of art compared to the album before and after but I have to be in a mood to play it. I love the covers/interpolations, I love Rick James and that weird-ass song All My Life (she sounds like she was having her breakdown in that song...the random whispered voices, whoops, giggles, cackles...exhausting), the ballads of some of my favorite of Mariah's. I love that there is a bleak one and then those grand diva-voiced ones. I don't think there is a song I dislike on Glitter at all. Charmbracelet...sigh. Pretty good memories attached to this album. I was living at home for a year right after college and that's when it came out. Through The Rain, with all its wonky modulation, was serviceable for what it was, with the first time I really noticed the copy-and-paste vocals. My Saving Grace as well...as much of a ratchet job that was done to it, it gets me worked up. Oprah, too. I LOVE Lullaby even though she is a mushmouthed constipated sounding mess because it's nostalgic and sounds like a conversation between Mariah and Derek Jeter, which it was. Subtle Invitation has some of the most unhinged vocals I have EVER heard on a Mariah album. Usually, she starts off subdued and ratchets things up a notch but this is just...IF YOU EVER NEED ME BABY REEEEEEEEEEEE-EEEEE. Like, I don't think I would EVER play that for someone who was trying to get into Mariah. YEAH...YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! That said, as a lamb, I love it. The One was cool then; bland now. Boy is a bop because I LOVE the original and Killa Cam and the ridiculous Japan fetishizing video. I don't know what else is on that album. Oh...Clown...loved that too...then. Now, not so much. Emancipation of Mimi. I can let it play all the way through even if she gets shrieky again like on Your Girl and Mine Again but I like the old school feel of Circles and I Wish You Knew and of course, it has WBT yadda yadda. Shaky Raw is still a jam for me. I remember how the video was supposed to be this big expensive ordeal and it didn't amount to much but celebrity cameos, which were better served in later eras. FLAB is still one of my favorite Mariah songs. She is unhinged again but for the Lord and it doesn't sound chopped up and Frankensteined. Say Something is smooth and sexy and I think she should relinquish control again to Pharrell. It's good for her. To The FLO is nothing like Mariah but it works for me, actually. Get Your Number sounds like it belongs on Glitter. Nothing wrong with that. It's Like That did its job but it's in the bottom of the barrel for me, especially given the songs all around it and the 2nd single. Joy Ride is one of my favorite Mariah songs ever. It's an eargazm. E=MC2. Time capsule for some, effervescent for me. I still get happy when songs from that album pop up. OOC was different for her. Bye Bye is one of my favorite Mariah ballads but the lyrics speak to me specifically so...plus, she sounds great. The other ballads are non-eventful on the grand scheme of things but all sturdily constructed and capably sung and pretty short and palatable. Migraine is still that. I put it on party playlists but it never really did well, actually. No surprise. Touch My Body hasn't aged well for me but I was OBSESSED with it when it came out. Not sure it was deserving of #1 but whatever. It was a nice moment. I Stay In Love is also one of my favorite Mariah songs. I think it's better than its predecessor, as controversial as that may be. Again, with Mariah for me, it's usually personal lyrics that hit home. There are subtle flourishes in the production that stick out to me and whatever, I love it. MOAIA...I can't believe I said it was my favorite Mariah album ever. Well, it was until MIAMI TECH came along. I still love every song on MOAIA and it has H.A.T.E U. which is always in a battle for absolute favorite Mariah song of ALL time. It also has Angels Cry, which sends me to heaven during the climax. Another one with lyrics that hit home. I can't even listen to it anymore because I think it hits TOO close to home. Candy Bling, It's A Wrap, Languishing, a lot of hidden gems on this. Production was really cool, lyrics were funny and quintessential Mariah. Which leads us to the GOAT Mariah album: MIAMI TECH. A master class and a culmination of all of her strengths and dwelling in NONE of her weaknesses for even a second. I don't even know where she can go from here.
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