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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 13, 2015 12:39:43 GMT -5
Not sure if it was posted in the thread, but HITS reports that "A Ken Ehrlich-produced TV special capturing one of her Vegas performances is in the works."
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 13, 2015 12:45:10 GMT -5
That cover is terrible. She looks like someone stretched her skull.
I never expected much beyond the new single given how fast this came together. It's a shame that Fantasy and Someday aren't in the original versions, it does a disservice to what this is meant to celebrate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 12:51:27 GMT -5
I love that Mariah paid homage to her original #1's cover here, and the title is pure Mariah.
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 13, 2015 13:19:42 GMT -5
Maybe some of the true lambs here can clue me in - but what exactly is her problem with "Someday"? Does she just think it's a lame song that she regrets recording, or did she have some huge beef with the producer?
No matter how much she hates it, I still love it, so I wish she'd cool it with the shade (excluding its proper video from the original #1's DVD, excluding it from The Essential... entirely, and now this.) I mean - using a version that didn't even EXIST when the song hit No. 1? Come on...
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 13, 2015 13:25:33 GMT -5
She has bad memories of making her debut because she got pushed aside in the sonic direction a lot when the big producers came in. I don't know if her and Ric Wake had issues personally, but she's hinted that she and Walden didn't see eye to eye.
But still, letting bad feelings from when you were 18-19 affect your professional decisions in your mid-40s is not good. It just makes you look like you're overly concerned with petty things. The original versions of those songs are why they become #1 hits, respect that.
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Post by JamaicaFunkยฒ on Apr 13, 2015 13:32:57 GMT -5
Not sure if it was posted in the thread, but HITS reports that "A Ken Ehrlich-produced TV special capturing one of her Vegas performances is in the works." If I had to guess, I'd say it will probably be her performing Infinity "live" from Caesars during the Billboard awards in May.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Apr 13, 2015 13:39:44 GMT -5
I'm annoyed at both the versions of "Someday" and "Fantasy" chosen. I wasn't surprised by the ODB mix being used, but the "Someday" version I wasn't expecting. I was also fully expecting "Thank God I Found You" to be the Make it Last Remix, but I'm glad it's not because I actually prefer the album version, if only for nostalgia reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 15:03:55 GMT -5
The only thing that kinda bugs me is that its a live version of Someday. Is that gonna interupt the flow of the CD? Like all of a sudden three songs in and there is clapping from an audience, the vocals aren't as on point and it sounds like Mariah's right in the room with me. I wish they stuck with the album version of someday. Just for the nostagia. Hopefully they can clean it up and make it sound more "studio worthy"...maybe even eliminate the audience sound. (Fantasy remix doesn't bother me, I'm so used to it by now). It's gonna be cool to have 'Heartbreaker' and 'Touch My Body' and 'Dreamlover' on the same album, I've got to say!
All and all I'm buying it because I wanna see MC back on top with #1's and Infinity!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 15:12:39 GMT -5
Kinda late with all of this but:
1. Loved the rollout for the album cover and love, love, love the album title and the little infinity symbol in the butterfly! 2. The cover itself leaves a bit to be desired, but in general is good. She's trying too hard to mimic her facial expression on the first one, and if you look too closely at her feet and shadow it's obvious they photoshopped her image onto a gray background (unlike the original pic which was clearly her actually standing in front of a wall). It just looks cheaply edited and the execution could have been better. But it's a simple shoot so these are minor things and don't take away from the overall effect. 3. I don't mind the Unplugged version of "Someday" being included; it stays true enough to the original's melody that it's not a departure. As Glove Slap pointed out, Mariah had a lot of issues with the production on her debut. But I don't think it's entirely intentional shade; she just really liked how that Unplugged version turned out, and it won't seem too out of place because there is also the Unplugged version of "I'll Be There." Also, because this album doesn't look like it's going to have any deluxe versions with demos or rare cuts and there is only one new song, this is actually sort of the 'treat' on the set. I could have done without the ODB remix of Fantasy, not because I don't love it but because she included that on the original #1s, and it would have been nice if she'd given a nod to the original. I'm pretty sure she has no qualms with its production so I'm not sure why she keeps snubbing that one.
I'll probably buy this because my original #1s is scratched up and I might as well replace it with the updated release. I'll want a physical copy for the car.
I'm still a bit antsy about how her first few nights in Vegas are going to go. Ideally she would sing live for the first week and bring in the positive press that way. Then she can sneak in her lip-syncing moments later when the press has left...beat them at their own "here for first night only and then moving on" game, lol.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 13, 2015 15:26:58 GMT -5
That cover is terrible. She looks like someone stretched her skull. I never expected much beyond the new single given how fast this came together. It's a shame that Fantasy and Someday aren't in the original versions, it does a disservice to what this is meant to celebrate. I know a case could be made about "Someday," but the original "Fantasy" wasn't on the 1998 version either. The remix has become the more iconic version at this point and I'm happy they are acknowledging the Pop version by using this particular remix at least.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 13, 2015 15:36:56 GMT -5
That remix was not the version that topped the charts. It was the original version, every single week that the song was out. It was out of place on the original as well. If she wants to do a collection of personal favorites it's one thing, but releasing a collection of #1 hits where some of the songs are not the versions that led to the songs being #1 is something else. It may be "iconic" to some people, but that point is irrelevant to this.
On a side note though, I would be so so SO here for an updated and expanded version of The Remixes (with out of print tracks like Slipping Away too). Even if it was a digital release only.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 13, 2015 15:40:01 GMT -5
Mariah's just weird like that. I agree with Glove Slap, I remember when I got the original #1's and heard fantasy I thought to myself "wtf is this? They forgot the chorus". The only reason the remix may be "iconic" is because Mariah's been force feeding it to us since 1998.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 13, 2015 15:42:44 GMT -5
That remix was not the version that topped the charts. It was the original version, every single week that the song was out. It was out of place on the original as well. If she wants to do a collection of personal favorites it's one thing, but releasing a collection of #1 hits where some of the songs are not the versions that led to the songs being #1 is something else. It may be "iconic" to some people, but that point is irrelevant to this. The ODB remix was on the same CD single that made the song debut at #1 lol. It may have not been played at Pop radio, but it was the version that topped the R&B charts and it is iconic to many people. I think it is a bit exagerate to talk about "personal favorites" when only 2 out of 19 tracks are alternate versions. It's not like she replaced every track with an unrecognisable trap remix. But to each their own.
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 13, 2015 15:43:54 GMT -5
Just to clarify: we're assuming that the version she's including this time is the "Bad Boy Fantasy" from the maxi-single, which includes parts of the original chorus? Whereas the first #1's and The Remixes included the version called "Bad Boy with O.D.B." on the singles, but simply referred to as "Fantasy (featuring O.D.B.)" on those two collections.
I get that it says "Bad Boy Fantasy with O.D.B." on her website, but she/her team hasn't been 100% consistent with what they call these mixes across releases.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 13, 2015 15:45:39 GMT -5
Just to clarify: we're assuming that the version she's including this time is the "Bad Boy Fantasy" from the maxi-single, which includes parts of the original chorus? Whereas the first #1's and The Remixes included the version called "Bad Boy with O.D.B." on the singles, but simply referred to as "Fantasy (featuring O.D.B.)" on those two collections. I get that it says "Bad Boy Fantasy with O.D.B." on her website, but she/her team hasn't been 100% consistent with what they call these mixes across releases. The "Bad Boy Fantasy" remix that was on the 1995 Maxi single is the one that incorporates both the Pop original and the ODB remix.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 13, 2015 15:49:30 GMT -5
Yeah I remember both well. I was actually exposed to the ODB remix because I was forced to watch BET all the damn time and it wasn't until I bought the album that I realized there was a pop version. (Kinda similar to ABMB where I always saw the remix video and not the original) I actually prefer the pop version but also love ODB rap though. To be fair I haven't heard of this alternate version that's she included on the album. What's different about it again? I'm unable to listen to it rn.
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 13, 2015 15:52:53 GMT -5
Yeah I remember both well. I was actually exposed to the ODB remix because I was forced to watch BET all the damn time and it wasn't until I bought the album that I realized there was a pop version. (Kinda similar to ABMB where I always saw the remix video and not the original) I actually prefer the pop version but also love ODB rap though. To be fair I haven't heard of this alternate version that's she included on the album. What's different about it again? I'm unable to listen to it rn. After the chorus (the bridge from the original version): "I'm in heaven...", it then launches into the original chorus: "Sweet, sweet, fantasy, baby, when I close my eyes..."The version from #1's/ The Remixes doesn't include the original chorus at all.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 13, 2015 15:53:51 GMT -5
What's different about it again? I'm unable to listen to it rn. The Pop chorus (" sweet, sweet fantasy baby...") is mixed in over the remix chorus. I really don't see the big deal about "Fantasy" tbh. There is no real difference between this case and if she had used the radio edits for the other tracks. The edits were played on the radio and the remixes were sold on the CD singles. Both contributed to the song being #1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 16:05:58 GMT -5
To act like the ODB remix is some random bootleg thing doesn't make sense to me. I prefer the album version but I hear the remix far more regularly and I think it's the remix that the bulk of her current fanbase (R&B fans) associate with Fantasy.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 13, 2015 16:06:44 GMT -5
That remix was not the version that topped the charts. It was the original version, every single week that the song was out. It was out of place on the original as well. If she wants to do a collection of personal favorites it's one thing, but releasing a collection of #1 hits where some of the songs are not the versions that led to the songs being #1 is something else. It may be "iconic" to some people, but that point is irrelevant to this. The ODB remix was on the same CD single that made the song debut at #1 lol. It may have not been played at Pop radio, but it was the version that topped the R&B charts and it is iconic to many people. This is false. It was never ever listed as Mariah Carey featuring ODB on the R&B charts. The main version was the one that got most airplay on R&B stations as well. Had the remix gotten the majority of the points, the credit on the charts would have been changed. The argument about it being on the CD single is a really bad one.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 13, 2015 16:10:35 GMT -5
The ODB remix was on the same CD single that made the song debut at #1 lol. It may have not been played at Pop radio, but it was the version that topped the R&B charts and it is iconic to many people. This is false. It was never ever listed as Mariah Carey featuring ODB on the R&B charts. The main version was the one that got most airplay on R&B stations as well. The argument about it being on the CD single is a really bad one. I doubt Urban stations were playing the Pop version when they had the remix. Billboard likely didn't list it because in terms of chart points, it was outnumbered by sales. It's not like there was a specific CD single for the remix, it was all together. And this is true of other singles such as "Heartbreaker," "Honey" or "Thank God I Found You" which had Urban remixes serviced to Urban stations. We clearly have different opinions about this, it's cool. I don't think it's a big deal while you do. It's okay. :)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 16:21:36 GMT -5
The only version I ever hear is the album version. I'd still say that's the most widely recognizable version, but the remix is well-known too.
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Apr 13, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -5
Guess it depends on the region of the US in which you live. Because, back then, all I heard was the remix on the radio. Even current day, when it's played, it's the remix with ODB I hear....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 16:59:27 GMT -5
There's an argument for both "Fantasy" versions, so she isn't really "wrong" for including the version she wants. Like @soblu said, it's not like the ODB or Bad Boy remixes are obscure or random bootlegs; they're highly recognizable and over time get as many mentions and recurrent play as the original pop mix, albeit in different places. I grew up hearing the ODB and Bad Boy remixes more too; I'm just a tad disappointed she keeps shunning the original. But I know that the remix symbolizes a lot for her, both personally (it was the harbinger of the more urban direction she'd take from Butterfly on out) and professionally, for how she changed the game on how collaborations were done. It was virtually unheard of for such a big pop star to collaborate with a rapper at the time, and she went out of her way to pick one with the most street cred possible. The remixes are very much a bridge between her early, more pop-leaning career and her more r&b leaning music afterward. So in that sense, I think I understand her choice. If she is going to stray from the inclusion of an original version in favor of a remix, "Fantasy" is the one song where it feels most right to do so.
Now if she had put on the remix of TGIFY that would have been a bit of a mess lol.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 13, 2015 17:30:27 GMT -5
I see we are arguing over semantics. I think regardless of which version of Fantasy I am hearing I will automatically have the "Me and Mariah go back like babies and pacifiers" line pop in my head. It may have been the original that was played more, but I think in terms of images and importance the remix holds key to many things like the real start of urban remixes and featuring rappers in songs. She was well ahead of her time on that in terms of a major artist really embracing it. I think the remix represents that aspect of what makes Mariah the artist she is. I say on the Someday front be glad she included a version of the song on the album, and she just didn't leave dead air in the middle of the album.
I think at this point in her career Mariah has earned her right to have song preference. Does it suck at times sure, but she has to be happy with what she is doing in order to continue to be motivated to make music at all.
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Apr 13, 2015 17:50:10 GMT -5
Back when we were speculating, many of you were throwing out ideas of how cool it would be to get demo versions, or even modern day arrangements to fit the times and her voice. You weren't worried about original versions then? I TELL YA..........
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Post by Jay D83 on Apr 13, 2015 18:11:53 GMT -5
Back when we were speculating, many of you were throwing out ideas of how cool it would be to get demo versions, or even modern day arrangements to fit the times and her voice. You weren't worried about original versions then? I TELL YA.......... Because some of us are tired of that damn remix and the epic original getting the "I don't know her" treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 18:16:35 GMT -5
It's 2015. She could include half-lipped, hoarse performances from The Adventures of Mimi tour, and it wouldn't matter to me personally. If I want to hear the album versions, I'll play the album versions..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 18:21:22 GMT -5
Mariah's relevancy in music history is hugely determined on that Fantasy remix. It was a turning point in POP music (and in Mariah). She cannot go back and put the pop version on her most important collection of hits!
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Post by Dreams on Apr 13, 2015 18:28:59 GMT -5
Maybe some of the true lambs here can clue me in - but what exactly is her problem with "Someday"? Does she just think it's a lame song that she regrets recording, or did she have some huge beef with the producer? No matter how much she hates it, I still love it, so I wish she'd cool it with the shade (excluding its proper video from the original #1's DVD, excluding it from The Essential... entirely, and now this.) I mean - using a version that didn't even EXIST when the song hit No. 1? Come on... A couple of years ago, when her friend still posted at FOMM, the subject of "Someday" and how Mariah felt about it came up. She said Mariah didn't hate the song, she actually liked it, the thing is she was just not a fan of how it had been arranged. My guess is it must have felt too glossy for her hence her now picking the more sparse, unplugged take on it. This year, some time after her Vegas announcement on Ellen, a fan tweeted her about "Someday" and she replied that she was still thinking of "how to do that song". I bet she will sing it Unplugged style at Caesars as well. (That kinda sucks for me cuz I *love* the album version with the guitar break and just how slick it sounds overall lol, but I'm still dying to hear it! It's been 20+ years!! )
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