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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Apr 13, 2015 18:38:00 GMT -5
It's the version Mariah wants to be remembered for. And it's the version she actually believes people refer to the most.
If ya'll are actually tripping about why she put it there, I think Wendy has an extra seat at her table for you.
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Post by floridagrl on Apr 13, 2015 18:40:38 GMT -5
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Apr 13, 2015 18:41:54 GMT -5
^
I told you so.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 13, 2015 18:44:30 GMT -5
This "Fantasy" argument is silly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 19:05:44 GMT -5
Ugh at the live version of Someday. If she doesn't like its arrangement, they should have done a new mix of it.
Thank goodness for self made playlists!
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Post by Positive Tension on Apr 13, 2015 19:15:08 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad "Infinity" is the only new song on the album. All Mariah needs is one hot song to get the ball rolling, and having just one song as opposed to 3-4 means more focus was likely put on making "Infinity" hit-worthy.
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Post by Nick on Apr 13, 2015 19:27:58 GMT -5
I guess that depends on whether it is a single disc or not. With 18 #1's and 1 new song, I could see 19 songs fitting on a single disc. Supposedly up to 80 minutes fits on a disc. Mmm hmm.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 13, 2015 19:46:23 GMT -5
Can't wait for this Monica remake!!
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Post by The Upper Hand on Apr 13, 2015 19:49:52 GMT -5
LOL please no.
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Post by Nick on Apr 13, 2015 19:51:42 GMT -5
At least it ain't a Brandy leftover......
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 13, 2015 20:21:47 GMT -5
Well if it was a Brandy leftover, it might actually be a good song and with Mariah's voice ????.
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Post by Push The Button on Apr 13, 2015 20:35:44 GMT -5
ughhhh my favorite thing about glitter. that album had so much to give me.
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Post by Dreams on Apr 13, 2015 20:39:44 GMT -5
^ Everything about that song slays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 21:53:24 GMT -5
80 mins. on a regular audio CD. That works out to be 19 songs MAX in this day and age (songs averagin 3:30-4:30)
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 14, 2015 6:03:57 GMT -5
The good news is a lot of what she is doing is what she needs to be doing. She is slowly cleaning up the image. Two big things to come which will fully tell how much she is in it to win it: the single and the Vegas shows.
If I had one thing I could say to Mariah, wear less make up. You're a naturally beautiful woman who looks best when you keep it simple.
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Post by MFM29 on Apr 14, 2015 7:07:21 GMT -5
she looks so beautiful when she's not wearing heavy make-up. she looks so fresh and younger. I dont know why she doesnt see it and always want to look like a old drag queen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 7:47:37 GMT -5
Agreed. She's aging wonderfully but the heavy makeup, terrible clothing choices, and diva mannerisms makes her look so old.
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Post by Mean A$$ on Apr 14, 2015 8:38:00 GMT -5
Elvis Duran was talking about her the other morning. Mentioned he saw her at an event in NYC (must have been when she was wearing that dress with the metal like looking strap). He said he went up to her an said "Mariah can we have a drink together alone". And he said Mariah wanted to but "some little guy with a cap" kept interfering and listening in on their conversation. He was saying Mariah surrounds herself with annoying people and he would've liked to spray the little guy with raid. LOL.
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Post by Ferrero on Apr 14, 2015 8:47:34 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 14, 2015 9:13:46 GMT -5
That remix was not the version that topped the charts. It was the original version, every single week that the song was out. It was out of place on the original as well. If she wants to do a collection of personal favorites it's one thing, but releasing a collection of #1 hits where some of the songs are not the versions that led to the songs being #1 is something else. It may be "iconic" to some people, but that point is irrelevant to this. The ODB remix was on the same CD single that made the song debut at #1 lol. It may have not been played at Pop radio, but it was the version that topped the R&B charts and it is iconic to many people. I think it is a bit exagerate to talk about "personal favorites" when only 2 out of 19 tracks are alternate versions. It's not like she replaced every track with an unrecognisable trap remix. But to each their own. +1 People are being way too dramatic about these two tracks. It's not that serious.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 14, 2015 9:28:43 GMT -5
Odd to use that version of "Someday" (which is good), but keep album versions for all others (except "Fantasy"). Well, we know she dislikes "Someday," so I am not surprised. She also dislikes "I Don't Wanna Cry," but it's not like she has an Unplugged version of that one. I guess she could have pulled out the Tokyo Dome version, but it would have been really odd to have 2 live songs in a row. It's also no surprise she wanted the "Fantasy" remix on there, and using the version they did is a compromise since this one still has the pop chorus. Anyway, I think what would have been best is to have the radio edits/versions of these songs. I don't think those have been officially released on any collection, and those are truly the 'versions' that went to #1. I don't know why they didn't list "Hero" as being 1993-1994 so that it's obvious she had a #1 every year. Mariah's just weird like that. I agree with Glove Slap, I remember when I got the original #1's and heard fantasy I thought to myself "wtf is this? They forgot the chorus". The only reason the remix may be "iconic" is because Mariah's been force feeding it to us since 1998. That is by no means the only reason. Plenty of musicians and journalists have stated what a landmark moment in music it was when Mariah worked with ODB. I prefer the album version slightly, but I can't deny the impact of the remix. And in both personal and professional terms the remix was important to Mariah. We shouldn't dismiss that.
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Post by Tea-why on Apr 14, 2015 10:22:16 GMT -5
What's the best Mariah message board out there? The one on her official site isn't that great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 10:31:33 GMT -5
Mariah's just weird like that. I agree with Glove Slap, I remember when I got the original #1's and heard fantasy I thought to myself "wtf is this? They forgot the chorus". The only reason the remix may be "iconic" is because Mariah's been force feeding it to us since 1998. That is by no means the only reason. Plenty of musicians and journalists have stated what a landmark moment in music it was when Mariah worked with ODB. I prefer the album version slightly, but I can't deny the impact of the remix. And in both personal and professional terms the remix was important to Mariah. We shouldn't dismiss that.[/quote] Agreed. Personally, I prefer the original Fantasy, but I live in NYC and I pretty much only hear the remix. Z100, the biggest radio station in the world (I think?) plays the remix fairly often, and plenty of bars play the remix all the time. Plus, the "Me and Mariah, go back like babies and pacifiers" line is one of the most iconic lines in music history. It's Mariahs "it's Britney bitch."
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Post by adamalterlago on Apr 14, 2015 10:43:36 GMT -5
It is an interesting conversation re: Fantasy Original vs. Remix. I grew up with the original and it was the song that made me become a superfan. At the same time, I remember my older brother hear me play it over and over again and ask whether I had heard the ODB remix (which I hadn't because I was primarily listening to pop radio). What Fantasy did so successfully is take a song and have one version become a radio smash and then the remix do the same. It was a crossover moment in music history so I understand 100 x 10 why Mariah keeps remindng us of this. Its a groundbreaking moment for her and for music in general.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 10:51:50 GMT -5
What's the best Mariah message board out there? The one on her official site isn't that great. FOMM is her most popular fan board.
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 14, 2015 11:12:19 GMT -5
Its a groundbreaking moment for her and for music in general. I love Mariah, and I used to make this mistake myself - but aren't there numerous examples of mainstream females working with rappers long before "Fantasy"? Paula featured The Wild Pair on "Opposites Attract" in '89 Janet featured Heavy D on "Alright" in '90 Whitney featured a rapper (Monie Love?) on "My Name Is Not Susan" in '91 Kylie featured Jazzi P on "Shocked" in '91 Madonna featured rappers on "Did You Do It?" in '92 (never released as a single, though) Granted, none of those guests were as well-known as O.D.B. Mariah's just had so many impressive accomplishments throughout her career, I just don't want to pad her resume with ones she doesn't really deserve - unless there's something I'm missing about "Fantasy" that actually made it unlike anything that had come before?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 14, 2015 11:24:56 GMT -5
^Yeah, a couple of those females also had rappers on album tracks or remixes after hose examples, too. But, it became a more common practice after Ms. Mariah used ODB in the "Fantasy" remix.
I actually had never heard the Bad Boy Fantasy mix before- it will be good to have that on a compilation, as it does meld the two versions decently.
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Post by Dreams on Apr 14, 2015 11:25:18 GMT -5
She wasn't the first female to have a rap featured on her song (I think even CΓ©line, of all people, did this back in like 1991 ). She popularized it though, she ESTABLISHED the trend.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 14, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -5
There should be no denying the impact that the ODB remix of 'Fantasy' has had on pop culture and music in general.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 14, 2015 12:08:27 GMT -5
I have never heard the original on radio...ever.
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