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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 14, 2015 12:24:26 GMT -5
^Even when it was initially out in 1995? :o
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 14, 2015 12:26:03 GMT -5
I've never heard that ODB remix before, only heard the original. I was actually thinking of getting this, but not with Someday and Fantasy the way they are.
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Post by Tea-why on Apr 14, 2015 12:30:51 GMT -5
What's the best Mariah message board out there? The one on her official site isn't that great. FOMM is her most popular fan board. thank you! I will check that out.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 14, 2015 12:31:57 GMT -5
FOMM is the most popular but its just so...ugly. I miss THE PALACE.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 14, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5
FOMM is a shadow of what it used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 13:57:30 GMT -5
UkMix and Atrl have the most Mariah fans constantly posting, more than FOMM these days. I go there when I am looking for the most recent Mariah news.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 14:47:39 GMT -5
Its a groundbreaking moment for her and for music in general. I love Mariah, and I used to make this mistake myself - but aren't there numerous examples of mainstream females working with rappers long before "Fantasy"? Paula featured The Wild Pair on "Opposites Attract" in '89 Janet featured Heavy D on "Alright" in '90 Whitney featured a rapper (Monie Love?) on "My Name Is Not Susan" in '91 Kylie featured Jazzi P on "Shocked" in '91 Madonna featured rappers on "Did You Do It?" in '92 (never released as a single, though) Granted, none of those guests were as well-known as O.D.B. Mariah's just had so many impressive accomplishments throughout her career, I just don't want to pad her resume with ones she doesn't really deserve - unless there's something I'm missing about "Fantasy" that actually made it unlike anything that had come before? And Vanessa Williams had Dres from Black Sheep on "Work to Do" in 1991. It had been done before, but with Mariah there were three things - one, the dichotomy of this supposedly squeaky clean pop star pairing up with a member of Wu-Tang Clan - arguably the craziest member of Wu-Tang at that. We take it for granted now but at the time that was just mind-boggling, and Columbia had valid reasons to be nervous about it. It would be like, I don't know, Taylor Swift doing a song with someone from Odd Future...in 2009. The second thing is that the ODB remix was actually sent to, and played by, US radio. "Did You Do It?" never was a single, "Shocked" was not a hit in the US, and the album versions of "My Name Is Not Susan," "Alright," and "Opposites Attract" did not include the rap parts (I believe these rap-less versions were also what radio played most at the time). "Fantasy"'s remix was the breakthrough in that regard, because it wasn't just relegated to a video version or an extra track on a maxi-single. I realize Kylie's song was a hit in the UK, but I had assumed we were just referring to "Fantasy"'s influence on US music. Third was the effort Mariah put into it. It was not just someone's rap inserted into a preexisting song; it had another arrangement and a different hook, and Mariah went out of her way to treat it as a single. For the time, that was quite a lot to do for a mere remix. This is random but Mariah actually got a little bit of criticism in the late 90s-early 2000s for doing these more urban remixes. I remember someone comparing her with Mary and saying 'Mary only does ONE version of her songs and sends it everywhere, while Mariah tries to pander to all formats' or something like that. Getting that split-single backlash before my other faves :'(
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 14, 2015 15:00:01 GMT -5
^Even when it was initially out in 1995? :o Yeah and I'm from Cape Cod. Initially, when the song came out, I vaguely remember hearing the original and seeing the video but once the remix appeared, the original ceased to exist, at least on all the stations I knew in MA.
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 14, 2015 15:02:47 GMT -5
^^ Many thanks for the thorough reply, and to the others who responded too. So putting O.D.B. on "Fantasy" wasn't a big deal because it was a first/uncharted territory for a female star, but because it was:
a.) A really well-executed pop/rap collabo, not just a cut-and-paste remix (like some of the examples I'd mentioned) b.) The most commerically successful and influential example of such a collabo
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 14, 2015 15:14:15 GMT -5
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Post by crystalphnx on Apr 14, 2015 15:21:32 GMT -5
Sounds like the perfect time for her to re-embrace "Someday." "'Cause I know you'll soon discover, You're needing me in spite of all the others..."
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Post by Mean A$$ on Apr 14, 2015 16:01:11 GMT -5
He's missing that Mimi cash... hes such a loser.
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Post by theedge12 on Apr 14, 2015 16:08:28 GMT -5
He sees Mariah moving on without him. Mariah ain't dumb hello "thirsty"....
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 14, 2015 16:33:02 GMT -5
Its a groundbreaking moment for her and for music in general. I love Mariah, and I used to make this mistake myself - but aren't there numerous examples of mainstream females working with rappers long before "Fantasy"? Paula featured The Wild Pair on "Opposites Attract" in '89 Janet featured Heavy D on "Alright" in '90 Whitney featured a rapper (Monie Love?) on "My Name Is Not Susan" in '91 Kylie featured Jazzi P on "Shocked" in '91 Madonna featured rappers on "Did You Do It?" in '92 (never released as a single, though) Granted, none of those guests were as well-known as O.D.B. Mariah's just had so many impressive accomplishments throughout her career, I just don't want to pad her resume with ones she doesn't really deserve - unless there's something I'm missing about "Fantasy" that actually made it unlike anything that had come before? I think what was really surprising at the time is that it was Mariah (i.e. a pop princess) working with ODB of all people (a fairly hardcore rapper). Along with that, it became well-known enough to have an influence. So, was it a truly original idea? No. But did it break ground that led to other pop singers pairing up with rappers? Yes. That became not only a trend, but normal. We still see it today with acts like Ariana Grande and Katy Perry. I think it's also overlooked that it's about more than just a singer tacking a rapper onto a song. Mariah began pairing pop melodies with urban beats (and rappers); she merged the styles of music in a way no one else had so that she created her own style.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 14, 2015 16:41:29 GMT -5
ODB wasn't just "fairly" a hardcore rapper. Homeboy was the filthiest one in Wu-Tang. Who else would go to the Welfare office in a limo to get his assistance check
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 14, 2015 20:49:21 GMT -5
Has anyone heard Infinity?
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 15, 2015 0:52:07 GMT -5
New photos from the photoshoot were released...theyre on instagram, don't know how to post them.
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Post by die Lotterie on Apr 15, 2015 1:01:50 GMT -5
LOVE the cover, but I prefer her face in the other photos, assuming these are from the same shoot. She really does look great.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Apr 15, 2015 2:41:10 GMT -5
I actually love the other two more than the cover, but I wouldn't choose either for the cover, if that makes sense. I wish she had worn that dress for the cover.
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Post by Leigh on Apr 15, 2015 5:38:52 GMT -5
LOVE the third photo of her smiling - now that would have made a refreshing album cover pose! (Although as said above, I can see why they went for the photo they did, given it is an update of the original)
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 15, 2015 5:57:56 GMT -5
That middle one though is everything. The last two are great shots of her.
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Post by Dreams on Apr 15, 2015 7:53:52 GMT -5
LOVE the third photo of her smiling - now that would have made a refreshing album cover pose! (Although as said above, I can see why they went for the photo they did, given it is an update of the original) Her smile is EVERYTHING!
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Post by Mean A$$ on Apr 15, 2015 8:38:03 GMT -5
Any news from Erik Bradley? Wasn't he hearing the single on Tuesday?
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Post by MFM29 on Apr 15, 2015 8:42:29 GMT -5
I'm just in love with this picture. it's everything I love about Mariah. that smile, that natural relax sensuality, not trying hard to look sexy and fierce.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 15, 2015 8:57:21 GMT -5
Any news from Erik Bradley? Wasn't he hearing the single on Tuesday? He's a total lamb so take this with a grain of salt as his opinions on MC songs are super bias... Erik Bradley That feeling when you hear a classic new song that will be included on an album with ALL #1 songs! :) @ MariahCarey #Infinity
it's just a classic! Belongs on the #1's album for sure.
yes, it's incredible. Can't say it any more accurately than that.
it'll be worth the wait - trust me!I'm trying not to get super excited. Also: @caesarspalace: Join us in welcoming @ MariahCarey to #CaesarsPalace as she makes a sensational arrival on the Las Vegas Strip on 4/27 at 6pm. #WelcomeMariahI hope this is the single's cover:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 8:58:35 GMT -5
Those sound like Erik's comments on all of her singles.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 15, 2015 9:03:06 GMT -5
Was anybody really expecting Erik to say anything short of this song being one of the greatest songs to ever be listened to by man? Lol
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 15, 2015 9:16:56 GMT -5
Hahahahaha, I would know what to expect more if she say sent it to Elvis at Z100. I would expect a more honest assessment of the song from him, lol.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 15, 2015 9:20:21 GMT -5
Yup. He thought You're Mine(Eternal) was the second coming of Jesus.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 15, 2015 9:52:03 GMT -5
This is so clever.
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