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Post by jkwaej on Oct 20, 2014 19:41:21 GMT -5
Billboard Country Airplay Chart 20 22 32 KISS YOU TONIGHT David Nail 13.408 +0.699 2645 +193
Billboard Country Indicator 19 19 33 KISS YOU Tonight David Nail 2133 +67 2.641
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 23:22:27 GMT -5
It's frustrating that it took this one 32 weeks to hit #20, but I'm just glad to see David get there. Week 31 saw David slip back a notch to #21--he still gained over 800k for the week but both Eric Church and Darius Rucker jumped ahead and only 1 song from up ahead went recurrent.
The good news is that David is still gaining quite well. KYT is up over 900k in the last 3 days at Mediabase, and with 3 top 10 songs set to go recurrent on Monday's Billboard chart, that should move David up to #18. Darius is likely ahead for good, but David is keeping pace with RaeLynn so far this week (and she was 1.7 million behind on Monday's BB chart), and the only other song down in the 20's (on BB) that's significantly out-gaining David so far this week is "Sun Daze". Fortunately it looks like David will stay ahead of that one for one more week and so I like his chances of finishing this week at #18.
This one might be able to last long enough to get into the top 15, but at this point I think top 10 is too much of a stretch and not very likely.
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Post by tim on Oct 30, 2014 23:31:14 GMT -5
^It's very frustrating this has taken so long. I just hope this hasn't hurt any future single releases from the album. I'm afraid to think there's no momentum left for such a great album David delivered. Maybe MCA just wasn't sure what to follow up his #1 with...but I had thought "Counting Cars" or "Burnin' Bed" would have been better choices.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 30, 2014 23:43:18 GMT -5
^It's very frustrating this has taken so long. I just hope this hasn't hurt any future single releases from the album. I'm afraid to think there's no momentum left for such a great album David delivered. Maybe MCA just wasn't sure what to follow up his #1 with...but I had thought "Counting Cars" or "Burnin' Bed" would have been better choices. You know what stinks with situation's like these is that songs that last this long like "Kiss You Tonight" and Parmalee's "Close Your Eyes" is that it may cause the label to hold off on any more singles in fear of little momentum and having a bomb for the third single. If you don't count the title track, his I'm About To Come Alive album had a eerie similar fate as "Turning Home" was it for the single releases from that album and of course he had only two from The Sound Of A Million Dreams. At the same time, a third very well might under perform at radio with "Kiss You Tonight" taking so long to get off the ground. It's still early enough for me to be optimistic about either one of the songs you brought up being released but the fact that these incredibly slow chart climbs after huge #1 single (which took forever and day to peak themselves) keep happening to David is indeed what you said, frustrating.
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Post by dragontattoo on Oct 31, 2014 8:05:04 GMT -5
Very good update this morning on Mediabase:
19 David Nail Kiss You Tonight spins 3193, increase from yesterday +93, bullet 296, AI 21.439
I don't know if it can hold off Eric Church on Mediabase for much longer though.
It is sad that it has taken this long but it's finally looking a bit hopeful. iTunes position is increasing (though slowly). It finally hit #1 on RadioFeedback Listener Survey after being #2 for weeks.
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Post by killintime on Oct 31, 2014 8:45:01 GMT -5
Our St. Louis station 92.3 still isn't playing this. And he's FROM MISSOURI. I hate that station. Same 20 songs on repeat.
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Post by rjz on Oct 31, 2014 8:46:23 GMT -5
Very good update this morning on Mediabase: 19 David Nail Kiss You Tonight spins 3193, increase from yesterday +93, bullet 296, AI 21.439 I don't know if it can hold off Eric Church on Mediabase for much longer though. It is sad that it has taken this long but it's finally looking a bit hopeful. iTunes position is increasing (though slowly). It finally hit #1 on RadioFeedback Listener Survey after being #2 for weeks. I hope this takes off-it is really growing on me although by no means my favorite on the album. Very good album. Not sure what the problem is with David Nail-great voice, not too traditional for today's radio, great live singer. The only thing I can think of is that he isn't that charismatic of a performer. And of course, he is more of an HAC performer than country, IMO-but that hasn't stopped anyone these days.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 31, 2014 9:35:46 GMT -5
Our St. Louis station 92.3 still isn't playing this. And he's FROM MISSOURI. I hate that station. Same 20 songs on repeat. Yeah, the two main St. Louis stations are just awful. I do not miss that part of living there one bit, lol.
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Post by blueguitar on Oct 31, 2014 10:19:34 GMT -5
This song was #1 on the Radio Feedback Chart in Billboard last night. Definitely my favorite song charting right now!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 31, 2014 12:43:27 GMT -5
It's annoying that this has taken so long to work its way up the chart (though it's something I've become accustomed to expecting with David Nail), but I'm glad that it has kept moving up. I'd like to see this at least try to sneak into the Top 10 and I hope they go with a third single from this album, though his track record doesn't suggest that a third release is to be expected. I'm a Fire definitely has more radio potential on it than his first two records, so it'd be nice if they could get another hit from it before moving on, even if that means yet another slow chart run.
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Post by dragontattoo on Oct 31, 2014 14:44:48 GMT -5
I would love to see Countin' Cars or Burnin' Bed get a chance to be a single. I love them both.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 20:42:59 GMT -5
It's annoying that this has taken so long to work its way up the chart (though it's something I've become accustomed to expecting with David Nail), but I'm glad that it has kept moving up. I'd like to see this at least try to sneak into the Top 10 and I hope they go with a third single from this album, though his track record doesn't suggest that a third release is to be expected. I'm a Fire definitely has more radio potential on it than his first two records, so it'd be nice if they could get another hit from it before moving on, even if that means yet another slow chart run. I think there will be one more single from this album yet, but that's just a guess. "Whatever She's Got" certainly did take a while to peak, not reaching #1 until its 35th chart week, but that was actually quite a bit of an improvement compared to his other top 10 singles, "Red Light" and "Let It Rain". "Red Light" spent a total of 45 weeks on the chart, and "Let It Rain" was on the chart for 51 weeks (it hit #1 in its 49th week). "Let It Rain" was also a lead single and "Red Light" basically acted as the lead single to I'm About To Come Alive, since the title track flared out well outside the top 40. "Kiss You Tonight" is about to wrap up its 34th week on Billboard, and while I do love the song a lot, I tend to agree with tim and dragontattoo in that there were better choices on the album, particularly "Broke My Heart", "Countin' Cars", "Burnin' Bed", and possibly even "When They're Gone (Lyle County)". Those songs all have more tempo than KYT does, and I think another more fast-tempo song might have been able to move up the charts a little quicker for David. Anyway, the album hasn't been out a full year yet, so I could see MCA committing a good chunk of 2015 to getting a 3rd and final single as high as they possibly can, and then maybe coming back with a lead single in late 2015 or early 2016. If they do go with one more single, my choice would be the super radio-friendly "Countin' Cars", which, at 2:51 in length, is the shortest song on the album and a full minute shorter than both "Kiss You Tonight" and "Whatever She's Got". I think it's a really good song as well that a lot of people will be able to relate to.
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Post by dragontattoo on Oct 31, 2014 21:30:13 GMT -5
"Kiss You Tonight" is about to wrap up its 34th week on Billboard, and while I do love the song a lot, I tend to agree with tim and dragontattoo in that there were better choices on the album, particularly "Broke My Heart", "Countin' Cars", "Burnin' Bed", and possibly even "When They're Gone (Lyle County)". Those songs all have more tempo than KYT does, and I think another more fast-tempo song might have been able to move up the charts a little quicker for David. While I do love "Countin' Cars" and "Burnin' Bed" and want to see them as future singles, I love "Kiss You Tonight" and am happy it was the second single. Its scores on listener surveys show that I'm not alone. I think David was going to have a problem on any second single from the album. He's just not considered an A Lister whose songs get rushed to the top of the charts. I do love the whole album. It's very well-constructed musically - quality songs - very nice flow.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 31, 2014 22:28:27 GMT -5
I actually think they made the right decision with Kiss You Tonight, I think it's the most catchy of all the other candidates for a single release. I wasn't a fan of Whatever She's Got at all, but I've really come around to like this song. The chorus is awesome, and you can really hear the pain he is singing the song with. I hope this can squeeze into the top 10, anything less would be a shame. And seeing how a 3rd single isn't guaranteed to chart well at all, I think they'd be better off pushing this song as long as they can to get the highest peak, because there's no song left that screams "instant hit" to me. They might as well work with what they got in front of them right now.
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Post by tim on Nov 1, 2014 2:28:50 GMT -5
Just getting back to the hotel after David's show, and it seems he really believes in this song. It sounded great live! It took a while for him to loosen up on stage, but even still it was obvious how much he enjoys the music. Two interesting take aways from his show: before he takes the stage a crew member lights up incense on stage; second he stands comfortablly on a rug while signing. He also seemed to have a guitar bearing the LGBT equality sign which I found interesting and very diverse. It might have been something else, but my friend and I were certain it was. On the downside...with it being Halloween the venue was very empty.
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Post by tvoss20 on Nov 1, 2014 11:30:53 GMT -5
I actually think they made the right decision with Kiss You Tonight, I think it's the most catchy of all the other candidates for a single release. I wasn't a fan of Whatever She's Got at all, but I've really come around to like this song. The chorus is awesome, and you can really hear the pain he is singing the song with. I hope this can squeeze into the top 10, anything less would be a shame. And seeing how a 3rd single isn't guaranteed to chart well at all, I think they'd be better off pushing this song as long as they can to get the highest peak, because there's no song left that screams "instant hit" to me. They might as well work with what they got in front of them right now. Going to have to disagree on this. I feel like Broke My Heart, Countin Cars, Easy Love, I'm A Fire would sound excellent on radio.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 1, 2014 11:59:25 GMT -5
I actually think they made the right decision with Kiss You Tonight, I think it's the most catchy of all the other candidates for a single release. I wasn't a fan of Whatever She's Got at all, but I've really come around to like this song. The chorus is awesome, and you can really hear the pain he is singing the song with. I hope this can squeeze into the top 10, anything less would be a shame. And seeing how a 3rd single isn't guaranteed to chart well at all, I think they'd be better off pushing this song as long as they can to get the highest peak, because there's no song left that screams "instant hit" to me. They might as well work with what they got in front of them right now. Going to have to disagree on this. I feel like Broke My Heart, Countin Cars, Easy Love, I'm A Fire would sound excellent on radio. I didn't say they wouldn't sound good, I'm saying they don't sound like obvious gold #1 songs in today's country climate.
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Post by ladymadonna on Nov 1, 2014 12:00:06 GMT -5
I love I'm a Fire - it's a terrific record and chock full of great songs. I'm not convinced anything would have climbed materially faster than KYT though. 35+ week chart runs just seem to be David Nail's pace, and it appears he and the label are willing to embrace that.
I'm thrilled that despite the slow and steady climb, KYT has given him the first real back-to-back hits of his career. And I don't think the song is quite done. Seems likely with this week's solid updates that they will push it at least to the December freeze and a T15 peak, but wouldn't be shocked if it has some staying power beyond that. I never would have expected Parmalee's latest to sniff T10 after languishing so long, so am not counting out KYT yet.
I'd be psyched if they decide to invest in a third single with Counting Cars or Burning Bed and push that for another 30-40 weeks before launching the next era. But the smarter investment might be to ride KYT as long as there's life, and start writing for a new record as soon as this tour run wraps up.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 1, 2014 16:27:06 GMT -5
iI actually think "Kiss You Tonight" was the best choice for a follow-up, save for maybe "Broke My Heart," though I prefer KYT to that one by a lot. The next single from this album definitely needs to be either "Broke My Heart" or "Countin' Cars." I could see either of those making it to the Top 20 (albeit with another long, slow chart climb), but those are the two remaining tracks that I can see still being hits from this album. I'm still glad they went with this as the second single because along with the lead single and "The Secret" (which unfortunately has no chance at radio) it is one of my favorite songs on I'm a Fire. It definitely sounds great on the radio, too, imo.
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Post by killintime on Nov 22, 2014 10:19:10 GMT -5
Is this one stalling?
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Post by dragontattoo on Nov 24, 2014 16:17:30 GMT -5
Yes, it seems to be stalling. I'm guessing it all depends on the label now. Will they push it? Or will they withdraw support? It would be a shame if they withdrew support. It still #1 on RadioFeedback. People seem to like it.
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Post by tim on Nov 24, 2014 23:12:18 GMT -5
I think MCA was just trying to push this into the top 20. I'm not sure it's going to do much else than that. He mentioned at the concert in San Antonio a couple weeks ago that back in the day he'd give anything to have a top 20 country record, so that looks like thats where this is peaking.
Speaking of the concert, "Countin' Cars" sounded great live and would be a good single choice. I'm partial to the title track "I'm A Fire" (which also sounded good live) and it reminds me of Dierks' "Riser" to an extent. Since Dierks opted to release another single I'd like to see David go for it and give "Fire" a chance.
edit: Did I mention that on a random note I ran into David and his band (including the opening act Native Run) at a jazz bar after the concert? They were all drinking martinis and beers jamming out to jazz music (David's keyboardist was playing a couple songs as well). David seemed to be having a good time so I didn't want to bother him, but my friend ended up introducing himself as he walked by our table on his way out of the bar.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 25, 2014 10:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:33:14 GMT -5
If David Nail releases another single from this record, I doubt it'd crack the top 40. I think he'd do best moving on to a lead single from the next album right now, but of course we've seen from artists like Easton Corbin, Tyler Farr, and Billy Currington that sometimes even a lead single can struggle if momentum has been hurt badly enough by a slow climb from the last album. So maybe a six-month break then a lead single from the next album.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 27, 2014 15:06:44 GMT -5
I think the bottom is about to fall out from this song pretty soon. The updates have been pretty minimal the past few weeks, and despite strong callout scores, this song is currently #73 on iTunes Country chart. It's just not moving the needle much to warrant this song staying on for much longer. It looks like we could be getting another housecleaning on the charts soon with this song, Look At You, Feelin' It all struggling, and Frankie and Blake set to go recurrent next week, and LBT following them the next week.
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Post by killintime on Nov 27, 2014 20:57:42 GMT -5
I think the bottom is about to fall out from this song pretty soon. The updates have been pretty minimal the past few weeks, and despite strong callout scores, this song is currently #73 on iTunes Country chart. It's just not moving the needle much to warrant this song staying on for much longer. It looks like we could be getting another housecleaning on the charts soon with this song, Look At You, Feelin' It all struggling, and Frankie and Blake set to go recurrent next week, and LBT following them the next week. ITunes charts are misleading. I mean, if this song had gotten more airplay, it would be higher on the iTunes chart. I don't know how stations "pick and choose" their music, but David got effed on this one. This was my favorite single of the past few months.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 27, 2014 21:29:25 GMT -5
I think the bottom is about to fall out from this song pretty soon. The updates have been pretty minimal the past few weeks, and despite strong callout scores, this song is currently #73 on iTunes Country chart. It's just not moving the needle much to warrant this song staying on for much longer. It looks like we could be getting another housecleaning on the charts soon with this song, Look At You, Feelin' It all struggling, and Frankie and Blake set to go recurrent next week, and LBT following them the next week. ITunes charts are misleading. I mean, if this song had gotten more airplay, it would be higher on the iTunes chart. I don't know how stations "pick and choose" their music, but David got effed on this one. This was my favorite single of the past few months. I agree that it can be misleading at times, but I don't think that's the case here. This song currently sits at #19 on Billboard, and the #73 on iTunes. Other songs around his area have the following ratio's: God Made Girls - 20/11 (BB/iTunes), Mean To Me - 18/25, Take It On Back - 17/64, Homegrown Honey - 16/29, Make Me Wanna - 21/20, Drinking Class - 22/6 !!!, Show You Off - 24/15 (was 24/40ish before today), and What We Ain't Got - 25/28. I don't think lack of airplay can be an excuse in this case, when even songs by non A-listers receiving less airplay are selling significantly better. "Whatever She's Got" went Platinum, so it's not like David never sells well. I think this data is showing that "Kiss You Tonight" is receiving much less interest than other songs by it on the chart, and that usually is a good signal of when a song has reached it's peak.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 21:33:04 GMT -5
I think the bottom is about to fall out from this song pretty soon. The updates have been pretty minimal the past few weeks, and despite strong callout scores, this song is currently #73 on iTunes Country chart. It's just not moving the needle much to warrant this song staying on for much longer. It looks like we could be getting another housecleaning on the charts soon with this song, Look At You, Feelin' It all struggling, and Frankie and Blake set to go recurrent next week, and LBT following them the next week. ITunes charts are misleading. I mean, if this song had gotten more airplay, it would be higher on the iTunes chart. I don't know how stations "pick and choose" their music, but David got effed on this one. This was my favorite single of the past few months. Ah, but compared to other songs in the same part of the Billboard chart, David is lower on iTunes. Randy Houser - 20.322 million radio audience (Billboard), #230 iTunes all-genre Darius Rucker - 20.022 million radio audience, #182 iTunes Chase Bryant - 19.916 million radio audience, #380 iTunes Brett Eldredge - 17.840 million radio audience, #135 iTunes David Nail - 17.504 million radio audience, #428 iTunes RaeLynn - 16.564 million radio audience, #87 iTunes Thomas Rhett - 15.948 million radio audience, #102 iTunes Lee Brice - 15.580 million radio audience, #58 iTunes You have to go all the way down to Kristian Bush and Toby Keith, who are both on the cusp of the top 30 at radio, and who have about 1/3 of the audience David has, to find a song that is ranked lower on iTunes than "Kiss You Tonight" is. Sales generally do increase with airplay and "Kiss You Tonight" sold fairly well early on, but over the last few weeks it just hasn't been holding up well and that's probably why it's begun to stall out at radio (and of course it's been on the chart for 37 weeks now, so that doesn't help). Simply put, David's sales per spin ratio has fallen significantly. ETA: And naturally dm2081 beat me in posting this, ha!
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Post by jkwaej on Dec 2, 2014 14:25:47 GMT -5
Darius Rucker has been on the chart 93 days, Eldredge 124, Raelynn 134, Bryant 119, Rhett 114, Brice 81. Nail's Kiss You Tonight has been on the chart 239 days. This could be a contributing factor to current sluggish sales. It needs new ears, not ones that have already heard it months ago and previously bought the song. But I don't see this song going much higher even though I really like it.
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 2, 2014 15:57:46 GMT -5
Darius Rucker has been on the chart 93 days, Eldredge 124, Raelynn 134, Bryant 119, Rhett 114, Brice 81. Nail's Kiss You Tonight has been on the chart 239 days. This could be a contributing factor to current sluggish sales. It needs new ears, not ones that have already heard it months ago and previously bought the song. But I don't see this song going much higher even though I really like it. Unless you're counting full weeks on the airplay chart, your number of days do not match. In the order you gave us: 1. Darius Rucker-16 weeks=112 days 2. Brett Eldredge-21 weeks=147 days 3. RaeLynn-22 weeks=154 days 4. Chase Bryant-20 weeks=140 days 5. Thomas Rhett-18 weeks=126 days 6. Lee Brice-14 weeks=98 days 7. David Nail-38 weeks=266 days I only point that out is because the only number you gave us that was divisible by seven was the 119 days for Bryant (17 weeks).
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