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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 7:07:02 GMT -5
You have also included Kelly but Simon said no other idol has achieved the level of super stardom that Carrie has. I tend to agree with him. I also agree with his statement that a number of idols have achieved success in the entertainment business. *Since Carrie*. She came after Kelly. He wasn't implying at all that Kelly hasn't achieved the same amount of success, at least I don't think he was. To argue Kelly hasn't achieved the same level of success as Carrie is ludicrous, in my opinion. I love them both, and they have their domains, but they are both all-around superstars. I think he was speaking strictly in terms of "since Carrie"... Nowhere in his statement does the word 'since' appear. He said Carrie was the last breakout artist from the show and that was 8 years ago. Then goes on to say that none of the idols have been able to match Carrie's level of super stardom. |
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 14, 2014 9:17:44 GMT -5
*Since Carrie*. She came after Kelly. He wasn't implying at all that Kelly hasn't achieved the same amount of success, at least I don't think he was. To argue Kelly hasn't achieved the same level of success as Carrie is ludicrous, in my opinion. I love them both, and they have their domains, but they are both all-around superstars. I think he was speaking strictly in terms of "since Carrie"... Nowhere in his statement does the word 'since' appear. He said Carrie was the last breakout artist from the show and that was 8 years ago. Then goes on to say that none of the idols have been able to match Carrie's level of super stardom. Whatever the case, I really think he meant "last breakout artist" and not only breakout artist. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2014 9:25:25 GMT -5
*Since Carrie*. She came after Kelly. He wasn't implying at all that Kelly hasn't achieved the same amount of success, at least I don't think he was. To argue Kelly hasn't achieved the same level of success as Carrie is ludicrous, in my opinion. I love them both, and they have their domains, but they are both all-around superstars. I think he was speaking strictly in terms of "since Carrie"... Nowhere in his statement does the word 'since' appear. He said Carrie was the last breakout artist from the show and that was 8 years ago. Then goes on to say that none of the idols have been able to match Carrie's level of super stardom. Saying Carrie was "the last" breakout star is the same as saying "No one since Carrie..." Considering Kelly came before Carrie, then Carrie being "the last" wouldn't be dismissing Kelly at all. |
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 9:51:50 GMT -5
Nowhere in his statement does the word 'since' appear. He said Carrie was the last breakout artist from the show and that was 8 years ago. Then goes on to say that none of the idols have been able to match Carrie's level of super stardom. Whatever the case, I really think he meant "last breakout artist" and not only breakout artist. 'Last breakout artist' is what I said he said. Since he then attaches a time frame to this statement saying that that was 8 years ago, it is clear to those who are familiar with AI that that excludes the period before Carrie, which is Kelly's time frame.. But the second statement appears to refer to all idols from the show. A clarification or inclusion could have been made if he felt his statement needed amending, but he didn't. Is Kelly a big star? Yes, I think so and I'm not alone on that. But, I agree with Simon's statement regarding Carrie's level of stardom as compared to other idols from the show. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2014 10:43:21 GMT -5
Whatever the case, I really think he meant "last breakout artist" and not only breakout artist. 'Last breakout artist' is what I said he said. Since he then attaches a time frame to this statement saying that that was 8 years ago, it is clear to those who are familiar with AI that that excludes the period before Carrie, which is Kelly's time frame.. But the second statement appears to refer to all idols from the show. A clarification or inclusion could have been made if he felt his statement needed amending, but he didn't. Is Kelly a big star? Yes, I think so and I'm not alone on that. But, I agree with Simon's statement regarding Carrie's level of stardom as compared to other idols from the show. He was saying it has been 8 years since Idol last produced a star, and that star was Carrie. That doesn't hold any implications for stuff that happened before Carrie. Think of his quote in context of #1s: "The last true Hot 100 #1 Mariah Carey had was "Touch My Body." That was six years ago." That wouldn't mean Mariah didn't have #1s before that one, it just means her last one was 6 years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 10:55:59 GMT -5
I just read Simon's comments, and while I do think he is probably mad X-Factor didn't do well in the States (Didn't he predict it would be huge in America?), he was not slighting Carrie or Kelly at all.
“The awful stat is in stars created by these shows,” Simon says
He said "these shows," which implies he's saying of all the talent shows out there (Idol, The Voice, XFactor, America's Got Talent), Carrie was the last true superstar to come from any of those shows.
If someone like Simon can admit that the declining ratings/interest in all of these shows proves that the American public is not going to spend money to buy these contestants albums and create another superstar, that's saying something.
It's been years since the general public railed to support any contestants from these shows, and Carrie truly might be the last one.
*I hope and pray SB and Keep Us Safe are NOT on Carrie's new album. There's no need to include either if they're available elsewhere, anyway. I actually wouldn't be at all surprised if SB was an "album only" option to boost Miranda's sales and the visibility of both artists.
*Carrie wouldn't have anything new to perform on Idol, and I couldn't see her performing an old song since the album era has been finished for months now. She also performed "Blown Away" on Idol when it first came out, so that would be extremely unlikely, anyway. She covered "Home Sweet Home" and has performed in various medley's on the show over the years; I would like to see something like that.
Carrie's covers always boost visibility for her, and it would be awesome to hear something new from her that we haven't heard before.
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 11:36:56 GMT -5
'Last breakout artist' is what I said he said. Since he then attaches a time frame to this statement saying that that was 8 years ago, it is clear to those who are familiar with AI that that excludes the period before Carrie, which is Kelly's time frame.. But the second statement appears to refer to all idols from the show. A clarification or inclusion could have been made if he felt his statement needed amending, but he didn't. Is Kelly a big star? Yes, I think so and I'm not alone on that. But, I agree with Simon's statement regarding Carrie's level of stardom as compared to other idols from the show. He was saying it has been 8 years since Idol last produced a star, and that star was Carrie. That doesn't hold any implications for stuff that happened before Carrie. Think of his quote in context of #1s: "The last true Hot 100 #1 Mariah Carey had was "Touch My Body." That was six years ago." That wouldn't mean Mariah didn't have #1s before that one, it just means her last one was 6 years ago. The statement he makes after the " Carrie is the last breakout artist...." Is referring to all idols all inclusive of the idols from the show, before and after Carrie. If he had wanted to provide a disclaimer then he would have done so but he didn't. It was a blanket statement. Try to separate the two statements. The first makes reference to the last star from the show. The second talks about something completely different.....stardom. of idols (all of them) and he says Carrie's has not been matched. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2014 11:54:38 GMT -5
He was saying it has been 8 years since Idol last produced a star, and that star was Carrie. That doesn't hold any implications for stuff that happened before Carrie. Think of his quote in context of #1s: "The last true Hot 100 #1 Mariah Carey had was "Touch My Body." That was six years ago." That wouldn't mean Mariah didn't have #1s before that one, it just means her last one was 6 years ago. The statement he makes after the " Carrie is the last breakout artist...." Is referring to all idols all inclusive of the idols from the show, before and after Carrie. If he had wanted to provide a disclaimer then he would have done so but he didn't. It was a blanket statement. Try to separate the two statements. The first makes reference to the last star from the show. The second talks about something completely different.....stardom. of idols (all of them) and he says Carrie's has not been matched. Which statement do you mean? “The last true breakout artist we had was Carrie Underwood on Idol. That was eight years ago.” "The last..." is not the same as saying "The only..." or "The main..." I am not following what you are saying at all. |
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 12:21:04 GMT -5
The statement he makes after the " Carrie is the last breakout artist...." Is referring to all idols all inclusive of the idols from the show, before and after Carrie. If he had wanted to provide a disclaimer then he would have done so but he didn't. It was a blanket statement. Try to separate the two statements. The first makes reference to the last star from the show. The second talks about something completely different.....stardom. of idols (all of them) and he says Carrie's has not been matched. Which statement do you mean? “The last true breakout artist we had was Carrie Underwood on Idol. That was eight years ago.” "The last..." is not the same as saying "The only..." or "The main..." I am not following what you are saying at all. Ok, let me see what I can do to clarify. The article we are discussing has Simon reviewing the a success of shows like AI in finding stars. He says, " The awful stat is in stars created by these shows."To prove his point he follows this up by saying that the last breakout artist AI has had was Carrie eight years ago. Then he goes on to say that ..." while several artists have found success after idol " NONE have been able to match the superstar status of the, 'Jesus Take the Wheel' singer. This is the statement I refer to. Since he is evaluating the success of such shows I believe this statement is all encompassing. That makes sense to me. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2014 12:23:17 GMT -5
Which statement do you mean? “The last true breakout artist we had was Carrie Underwood on Idol. That was eight years ago.” "The last..." is not the same as saying "The only..." or "The main..." I am not following what you are saying at all. Ok, let me see what I can do to clarify. The article we are discussing has Simon reviewing the a success of shows like AI in finding stars. He says, " The awful stat is in stars created by these shows."To prove his point he follows this up by saying that the last breakout artist AI has had was Carrie eight years ago. Then he goes on to say that ..." while several artists have found success after idol " NONE have been able to match the superstar status of the, 'Jesus Take the Wheel' singer. This is the statement I refer to. Since he is evaluating the success of such shows I believe this statement is all encompassing. That makes sense to me. Oh, I see. I took that to mean "none [since Carrie]" because acts like Daughtry and Philip Phillips have found success, but haven't become superstars. |
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 12:51:45 GMT -5
Ok, let me see what I can do to clarify. The article we are discussing has Simon reviewing the a success of shows like AI in finding stars. He says, " The awful stat is in stars created by these shows."To prove his point he follows this up by saying that the last breakout artist AI has had was Carrie eight years ago. Then he goes on to say that ..." while several artists have found success after idol " NONE have been able to match the superstar status of the, 'Jesus Take the Wheel' singer. This is the statement I refer to. Since he is evaluating the success of such shows I believe this statement is all encompassing. That makes sense to me. Oh, I see. I took that to mean "none [since Carrie]" because acts like Daughtry and Philip Phillips have found success, but haven't become superstars. Yes, I see your point. But I do believe that his evaluation would include the entire run of the show, to be fair. And by his estimation putting aside the success of several AI winners and contestants, there has really only been 1 superstar....so far (Carrie). That is a pretty dismal or (awful) stat. If he lowered his benchmark a bit, then the stats would be great. The best to date of any other reality singing show on TV. |
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Post by musicfan134 on May 14, 2014 16:46:57 GMT -5
Oh, I see. I took that to mean "none [since Carrie]" because acts like Daughtry and Philip Phillips have found success, but haven't become superstars. Yes, I see your point. But I do believe that his evaluation would include the entire run of the show, to be fair. And by his estimation putting aside the success of several AI winners and contestants, there has really only been 1 superstar....so far (Carrie). That is a pretty dismal or (awful) stat. If he lowered his benchmark a bit, then the stats would be great. The best to date of any other reality singing show on TV. Eh...I would argue Kelly is a bigger superstar than Carrie is. Especially if we're considering worldwide. I really think you're simply over-analyzing this. Either that or Simon is just wrong. |
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Post by carriefan15 on May 14, 2014 17:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 17:10:13 GMT -5
Yes, I see your point. But I do believe that his evaluation would include the entire run of the show, to be fair. And by his estimation putting aside the success of several AI winners and contestants, there has really only been 1 superstar....so far (Carrie). That is a pretty dismal or (awful) stat. If he lowered his benchmark a bit, then the stats would be great. The best to date of any other reality singing show on TV. Eh...I would argue Kelly is a bigger superstar than Carrie is. Especially if we're considering worldwide. I really think you're simply over-analyzing this. Either that or Simon is just wrong. Yes you can and you did. That's the beauty of this board. It allows me to say that I agree with Simons evaluation. Also and only for the sake of debate, the question of who is the bigger star Carrie or Kelly can only be an arguable one at best. |
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Post by countrygirl918 on May 14, 2014 17:17:29 GMT -5
spencer, I think you're reading into Simon's comments a little too much. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was referring to Idol superstars since Carrie. As well, the second remark you're referring to was not actually in quotation marks, so it's possible the wording of it was just the article writer's interpretation of Simon's directly quoted comment. There is no direct quote from Simon in that article saying that Idol has never, even before 2005, produced a star of similar success to Carrie. The only direct quote is Simon referring to Carrie as "the last true breakout artist".
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Post by spencer on May 14, 2014 18:39:46 GMT -5
spencer, I think you're reading into Simon's comments a little too much. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was referring to Idol superstars since Carrie. As well, the second remark you're referring to was not actually in quotation marks, so it's possible the wording of it was just the article writer's interpretation of Simon's directly quoted comment. There is no direct quote from Simon in that article saying that Idol has never, even before 2005, produced a star of similar success to Carrie. The only direct quote is Simon referring to Carrie as "the last true breakout artist". Well thank you for your interpretation of the article and perhaps the wording is not accurate or mabe it is. At the moment that is all we have and based on that I will hold to my earlier comments. In any case I believe Carrie's superstar status has not been matched by any of the other idols. |
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Post by maddkat on May 14, 2014 18:51:06 GMT -5
Oh man do we need new Carrie music now!!
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Post by surfy on May 14, 2014 19:17:03 GMT -5
Oh man do we need new Carrie music now!! AMEN!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 14, 2014 21:21:10 GMT -5
Lmao @ the last page...
Anyway, they showed Carrie along with most of the past 'Idol' winners congratulating the show for its 500th episode. Carrie's clip was filmed at the Opry (backstage). It was very sweet, they were all sweet. Only Kelly, Ruben, and Taylor weren't shown (maybe tomorrow?).
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 15, 2014 0:52:37 GMT -5
3 days until Somethin' Bad happens.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 15, 2014 10:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by cufan7 on May 15, 2014 12:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on May 15, 2014 16:34:48 GMT -5
Eh...I would argue Kelly is a bigger superstar than Carrie is. Especially if we're considering worldwide. I really think you're simply over-analyzing this. Either that or Simon is just wrong. Yes you can and you did. That's the beauty of this board. It allows me to say that I agree with Simons evaluation. Also and only for the sake of debate, the question of who is the bigger star Carrie or Kelly can only be an arguable one at best. The issue is more that some of us think you interpreted Simon's comment incorrectly. I think most of us actually agree with Simon's evaluation, too, but we think he meant something different than you think he meant. Anyway, do you all think the duet with Miranda will be up on iTunes after the performance on Sunday? They should capitalize on that hype, especially carrying into a full week of sales. |
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 16, 2014 2:00:34 GMT -5
The press release for the Idol finale episode names Lady Antebellum, Aloe Blacc, KISS, John Legend, Demi Lovato, Jason Mraz, Jennifer Nettles, Paramore, Phillip Phillips and Darius Rucker as the performers. Unless Carrie does a surprise performance, it looks like she's gonna break her tradition this season.
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Post by jptexas on May 16, 2014 15:42:26 GMT -5
Billboard awards are in Vegas, just a hop and a skip to LA, Carrie just might show unannounced.
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Post by lookinghot on May 16, 2014 16:03:33 GMT -5
Billboard awards are in Vegas, just a hop and a skip to LA, Carrie just might show unannounced. Yea i bet she will as much as idol means to her..to attend/perform at every finale has that ever been done before by an AI winner |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 22:12:59 GMT -5
Correct me if I'Am wrong, but I SWEAR Carrie has missed one Idol finale before, or was there for one and did not perform? Great photo of Carrie and Miranda posted to Carrie's Instagram: Somethin' Bad Somethin' bad about to happen... @officialbbmas @mirandalambert #CountryMusicRocks Article via Country Weekly with some great comments from Miranda about singing with Carrie. “That’s kind of why you want to do it in the first place, is to sing it live. I mean, it’s fun to sing it in the studio and all that stuff with her, but definitely singing with someone as powerful as she is pushes you as a vocalist.”www.countryweekly.com/news/miranda-lambert-nervous-about-live-duet-carrie-underwood |
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Post by lookinghot on May 18, 2014 7:39:46 GMT -5
Very excited for tonight. I think she's been to all finales but didnt perform at one.
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Post by leilamaurizia on May 18, 2014 9:06:51 GMT -5
Correct me if I'Am wrong, but I SWEAR Carrie has missed one Idol finale before, or was there for one and did not perform? Carrie has created a tradition for herself of performing live at least once every Idol season after hers, but not necessarily at the finale. Last season, she performed "See You Again" earlier in the season, but did not appear in the finale. The reason why the Season 13 finale is being referred to now is because she hasn't performed/appeared live at all this season and the finale will be the last opportunity. But hey, it's her tradition... she can break it if she wants to. Tonight's the night for Somethin' Bad!!! |
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Post by surfy on May 18, 2014 11:10:24 GMT -5
OMG!!! I forgot she was performing tonight!!!! YAY! I'M READY FOR SOME NEW CARRIE MUSIC! SLAY ME COUNTRY QUEEN!!!
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