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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Mar 2, 2014 12:21:29 GMT -5
I completely understand and accept this logic. Personally, it's much more important to me that we get a country-specific general discussion subforum in the first place. A country-specific polling/games section would be nice, but I understand if it's perceived as problematic and/or redundant. Personally, I will be making a conscious effort to visit the games/pollling booth sections and participate in any country-music related threads. Just an idea: maybe if people make country-related polls/games on those subforums, they can post a link in the news/general catch-all thread on the country subforum, just to capture the attention of the country board posters who habitually never wander to the other parts of the forum? You read my mind with this suggestion. I was thinking that I wouldn't even be opposed (personally, not speaking for anyone else and just thinking out loud) to a thread dedicated solely to posting links to games and polls in the sub-forum, that would serve as a reference/guide to help with navigation. I know that .indulgecountry has also dropped a Polling Booth link at least once in the current Country News & Non-Singles Discussion thread in an effort to generate some awareness and greater participation. I'm also not necessarily opposed to that or to an artist game link being posted in that artist's current single thread, but I would really, really prefer in that case for the link to be an add-on to a post that is otherwise relevant to a discussion of that single, its chart run, etc. In any event, I'm sympathetic to and supportive of the idea of increasing the discussion of country artists outside of the Country Forum, and I hope that we can figure out a good way to make that happen. As for Zazie's concern, I think the main solution may be greater vigilance on the staff's part in redirecting conversation back on topic and/or editing posts to add relevant links as someguy suggested (of course, it would be even better if posters provided those links themselves). My thought about the sub-forum is that all radio/chart-related discussions (i.e., singles threads and threads tracking cumulative statistics for charting artists) would continue to be part of the main forum, including a thread like "What happened to the variety on country radio??." The weekly challenges and our annual year end NCAA-style tournament would also remain in the main forum. Meanwhile, threads about our music preferences, the Random Video of the Day thread, etc., would move to the sub-forum. We could also conceivably move Listening Party threads for album discussion to the subforum, as well. The idea of a subforum that isn't tied to chart discussion appeals to me especially when I think about how it would give us a place to discuss the music of the likes of Sturgill Simpson, Holly Williams, etc., who make terrific country music but don't fit into a chart-based discussion, as well as artists like Brandy Clark and Ashley Monroe, whose promotion is only tangentially radio-based. For that matter, and this isn't something that especially appeals to me, but the Colt Fords and other country rappers of the world who seem to command good-sized fanbases but receive little exposure on country radio, would have a place in the subforum, as well. We are starting to see the emergence of a world where artists are starting to develop exposure and fanbases outside of mainstream terrestrial country radio, and it's a good time to start providing a place to discuss their music and methods. As I see it, the sub-forum would be a pretty active, hopping place. My only reservation is concern that we would wind up with segregated participation between the two forums, because I like the variety of taste we have within the Country Forum community and the different points of view that it generates. |
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 2, 2014 15:09:46 GMT -5
If people are interested, I could import other country reference points in a subforum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 20:00:37 GMT -5
I totally understand this nothion, but at the same time I feel so disheartened when so few people vote and respond to country-related polls/games unless they are about a very select few, such as Carrie Underwood or Taylor Swift. All the genres are well-represented in those forums (TPB/Games), but the country genre has always operated on a different level than all the other forums (CHR/Urban/AC/etc.) here. I mean, seriously, if this genre folder has its own separate set of rules/guidelines from the rest of the Pulse boards, why would it be such a stretch to assume that the country forum operates a little differently here? I feel like the mentality of this forum is just different from the others here, and I doubt that people in the other genre folders would feel "cheated" that they don't get their own sub-forums, because there's no shortage of games/polls related to CHR, Urban, Hot AC, etc. topics in those broad folders as it is. The only other forums who tend to be underrepresented there are Latin and Christian/Gospel perhaps, but the popularity of those genres on Pulse pale in comparison to the Country community here. I think the difference is that the culture of the country forum, while still diverse, is just a little bit of a different culture than what other parts of Pulse are like, or at least that seems to be the general perception. I wouldn't say that we necessarily operate differently. Also, I think a lot of folks here like to read every thread in the country forum (I know I do), and most country regulars are more discussion-oriented which is somewhat of a contrast to the more chatty atmosphere of polls/games, wherein people vote for their favorites and usually leave much shorter responses (not that there's anything wrong with that, in terms of The Polling Booth/Games atmosphere and the 'culture' there). As for the added guidelines that we have here, they are user-generated and have of course been updated over time. The guidelines really aren't that complex; they're more of a supplement. And I also have to point out that CHR/Pop has had its own set of rules since 2010. There's also a rules thread that's been stickied to the top of the General Music News forum since 2007, so it's not like the Country Forum is alone in that. The rules aren't meant to be constricting; they're just there to set a few general parameters and to help foster the best discussion environment possible. I like the suggestion of having a compilation thread where members can link to polls/games, rather than having all those threads posted in a separate country sub-forum. Ideally it'd be nice if we could create a thread and have it display in 2 forums at the same time, but I don't believe ProBoards software has that capability (right, Kurt?) I also like Kurt's suggestion of adding tags to thread titles, that way they are easier to find. To be honest, I'm quite surprised that thread tags haven't become popular at Pulse yet. |
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Post by Kurt on Mar 2, 2014 20:21:04 GMT -5
Ideally it'd be nice if we could create a thread and have it display in 2 forums at the same time, but I don't believe ProBoards software has that capability (right, Kurt?) Correct, though like I previously mentioned, you could start a thread within the country forum, then a mod could move it to The Polling Booth and select the "Leave a 'this thread has moved' message." (A couple examples here with the two Gaga threads: pulsemusic.proboards.com/board/34/non-radio-singles-album-tracks?page=3) |
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Post by Andy on Mar 6, 2014 18:09:22 GMT -5
...We are starting to see the emergence of a world where artists are starting to develop exposure and fanbases outside of mainstream terrestrial country radio, and it's a good time to start providing a place to discuss their music and methods. I couldn't agree more with this. While terrestrial country radio is still important, with each passing year there are more and more ways to distribute, promote, discover, and listen to music, so to limit discussion to current radio singles leaves a lot of potential discussions off the table, in my humble opinion. The enduring popularity of "Random Video of the Day" thread, not to mention the recent well-received spate of discussion threads, proves that there are a lot of us who would like to discuss older country, non-single songs, classic albums, our music preferences, etc., but can't because there's not really a place for it. I think that if there was a subforum in which non-singles discussions were encouraged, people would welcome it with open arms. |
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Post by Andy on Mar 12, 2014 16:46:55 GMT -5
Sorry to be reviving this thread again (and if it receives no further attention, I won't do so again), but is there any news to report on this front? There seems to be overwhelming support for the creation of a country-specific discussion subforum, and I'd hate to see an idea this good slip away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 17:46:08 GMT -5
Sorry to be reviving this thread again (and if it receives no further attention, I won't do so again), but is there any news to report on this front? There seems to be overwhelming support for the creation of a country-specific discussion subforum, and I'd hate to see an idea this good slip away. We'll definitely be moving forward with this soon, probably within a week or two. I've been a little MIA recently due to spring break travels and a busy schedule, so apologies for that. Hopefully won't be as busy in a week or so |
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Post by Andy on Mar 14, 2014 18:03:15 GMT -5
Sorry to be reviving this thread again (and if it receives no further attention, I won't do so again), but is there any news to report on this front? There seems to be overwhelming support for the creation of a country-specific discussion subforum, and I'd hate to see an idea this good slip away. We'll definitely be moving forward with this soon, probably within a week or two. I've been a little MIA recently due to spring break travels and a busy schedule, so apologies for that. Hopefully won't be as busy in a week or so No problem whatsoever. Sounds great! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 20:54:33 GMT -5
Ok, as you should all be able to see now, the sub-board is up and running. I'll be moving some threads into it in the coming days and new threads can be created there as well. If you have any questions/comments/suggestions feel free to PM me.
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Post by carriekins on Mar 26, 2014 21:08:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Jamie!
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Post by Andy on Mar 26, 2014 21:16:58 GMT -5
Amazing! Thanks a million!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 21:19:20 GMT -5
The round of applause should be held for Kurt, he created it :) I just thought it was finally time to get moving forward on it (finally feeling not quite so busy today...) |
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Post by carriekins on Mar 26, 2014 21:20:01 GMT -5
Well, thanks to Kurt, too. :) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 21:44:07 GMT -5
Ok, I have moved several threads into the sub-board now (and for a couple of the most popular ones, such as the News/Non Singles Discussion thread & Random Video of the Day, I left a "this thread has moved" message to note that no, these threads did not just disappear). Some other threads may yet be moved as well.
Basically, the types of threads that have been moved over to the sub-board are the more general discussion type of threads. Singles threads will of course stay in the main part of the board, and we may allow some other radio/chart-based threads to remain in the main part of the board, but pretty much everything else should either be created in the new sub-board or it may eventually get moved there.
Hopefully I'm making sense.
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