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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 20, 2016 11:41:03 GMT -5
Yes, we can't blame her for anything related to this. Kanye started all of this and tried to humiliate and disgrace Taylor in front of the entire world in 2009. Taylor didn't do anything to him. She was just minding her own business accepting a well-deserved award. Kanye is a total and complete loser and so is Kim K after their illegal recording and releasing of a private conversation. Please, Taylor, sue them and file a police report complaint. I cannot stand Kanye, but I...don't know what to say if you think Taylor is innocent in all of this. When Kim mentioned she had the tape, Taylor's team explicity gave a statement that basically said "Go ahead and release it, because it doesn't exist!" Taylor's team taunted Kim and Kanye to release it, she's just seething because, (for once), someone called her bluff publicly. Well, if they were completely unaware she had been secretly recorded during private conversations what do you expect? They had no knowledge of the recordings. Meanwhile, I think it is comical that people are only pointing their fingers at Taylor for being manipulative, conniving, tactical etc when they were all supposed to be friends and on "good terms" at the time yet they were secretly recording her and subsequently held onto the tapes. That in itself is conniving and suspect IMO. Almost like they were setting her up to "expose".
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 20, 2016 11:47:52 GMT -5
I cannot stand Kanye, but I...don't know what to say if you think Taylor is innocent in all of this. When Kim mentioned she had the tape, Taylor's team explicity gave a statement that basically said "Go ahead and release it, because it doesn't exist!" Taylor's team taunted Kim and Kanye to release it, she's just seething because, (for once), someone called her bluff publicly. Well, if they were completely unaware she had been secretly recorded during private conversations what do you expect? They had no knowledge of the recordings. Meanwhile, I think it is comical that people are only pointing their fingers at Taylor for being manipulative, conniving, tactical etc when they were all supposed to be friends and on "good terms" at the time yet they were secretly recording her and subsequently held onto the tapes. That in itself is conniving and suspect IMO. Almost like they were setting her up to "expose". It has already been said why the conversation was recorded just like everything else in Kanye's life but it seems to be a glaring omission on your behalf to just ignore the facts and try to avert everything away from Taylor.
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Post by allow that on Jul 20, 2016 11:55:16 GMT -5
She also told him point blank in the tapes that he had to tell the story from HIS perspective. If he himself didn't have much of an idea until the VMA incident, that pretty much clears him in that respect. The acceptance speech and subsequent actions completely contradicted that. Ok, but that still doesn't mean a) she knew his "perspective" included taking credit for her entire career, nor does it mean that b) she had to agree with his "truth". I could tell someone to speak their truth in reference to a situation between us without in return cosigning it. You are really reaching now.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jul 20, 2016 11:57:34 GMT -5
what is an L? like Loser?
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 20, 2016 12:01:45 GMT -5
Not to apply the Federal Rules of Evidence to non trial settings but....Taylor actually does have the right to have the rest, or at least other relevant parts of the recording released. I'd be careful if I were her, though - if she doesn't know exactly what was said, it could be risky af to release even more (or not actually - presumably Kim K has released the most damning portions already). There's always the chance that there's even more evidence that contradicts Taylor's version of the story.
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Post by switch on Jul 20, 2016 12:02:33 GMT -5
Take the L means taking the Loss. She lossed this round. Deal with it, move on.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 20, 2016 12:03:12 GMT -5
Well, if they were completely unaware she had been secretly recorded during private conversations what do you expect? They had no knowledge of the recordings. Meanwhile, I think it is comical that people are only pointing their fingers at Taylor for being manipulative, conniving, tactical etc when they were all supposed to be friends and on "good terms" at the time yet they were secretly recording her and subsequently held onto the tapes. That in itself is conniving and suspect IMO. Almost like they were setting her up to "expose". It has already been said why the conversation was recorded just like everything else in Kanye's life but it seems to be a glaring omission on your behalf to just ignore the facts and try to avert everything away from Taylor. Well, lets not jump to conclusions firstly. I have Sprint and am in a rural area of Kentucky with absolutely horrible service, so unfortunately, with pages loading slower than dialup, I don't have the ability (or should I say the patience) to go back and read every reply and post on this topic. I barely could load the audio. Still, I am sure Kanye has just the bestest of reasons for secretly recording his supposed friends and everyone on his life. I am sure it has something to do with him being "misunderstood", eben though a large percentage of his negative reputation was brought on by his own actions. Furthermore, I have said Taylor was wrong for the way she handled the situation. I have no sympathy for her for any backlash from this. With that said, just because she is at fault, doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't make point of other questionable/shady behavior in all this. If that makes me another "crazy Swifty", I don't really care tbh, because I don't spend enough time on Pulse to care about what members might call me. :)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 20, 2016 12:12:29 GMT -5
Ok, but that still doesn't mean a) she knew his "perspective" included taking credit for her entire career, nor does it mean that b) she had to agree with his "truth". I could tell someone to speak their truth in reference to a situation between us without in return cosigning it. You are really reaching now. Meh. Call it whst you like, but everyone knows there are two sides and then the truth. I don't think the truth lies entirely with Kanye and Kim or Taylor, but somewhere in the middle. In referencing creating art, of course as a writer she would tell him to speak his truth, again, doesn't simultaneously mean it i as her truth as well. :)
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 20, 2016 12:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 12:40:09 GMT -5
That and the John Mayer connection they share. Taylor can't get mad at women for dating her ex's because she's gone through most single (white) men in celebrity circles. If 'girl code' for joining her squad means avoiding any man she ever kissed or dated, you may as well call it a nunnery. In typical hypocrite mode, the rules don't apply to her though: just ask Kendall about Harry. ![http://cdn.vogue.es/uploads/images/thumbs/201527/vogue_news_734760461_620x.png](http://cdn.vogue.es/uploads/images/thumbs/201527/vogue_news_734760461_620x.png)
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Post by nightshade on Jul 20, 2016 12:40:29 GMT -5
Who is Taylor Smith? Is that the new Becky?
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Post by Clauss on Jul 20, 2016 12:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah and no one knows who Taylor Smith is.
It's quite sad what this thread has become. All the scavengers came here just because they hate Taylor and they have an opportunity to express how you've feel all this time her.
So easy to stay on the 'winner' side. Guess just are ways to increase the self steem.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jul 20, 2016 12:42:26 GMT -5
![:dead:](http://ruadventures.com/forum/Smileys/animated/smiley_resurrect_grave.gif) Also, in case any of you were questioning if Taylor could recover from this, all you have to do is see how her stans can spin her story even better and more rabidly than even the woman herself has. Unbelievable.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 20, 2016 12:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 12:52:47 GMT -5
I cannot stand Kanye, but I...don't know what to say if you think Taylor is innocent in all of this. When Kim mentioned she had the tape, Taylor's team explicity gave a statement that basically said "Go ahead and release it, because it doesn't exist!" Taylor's team taunted Kim and Kanye to release it, she's just seething because, (for once), someone called her bluff publicly. Well, if they were completely unaware she had been secretly recorded during private conversations what do you expect? They had no knowledge of the recordings. Meanwhile, I think it is comical that people are only pointing their fingers at Taylor for being manipulative, conniving, tactical etc when they were all supposed to be friends and on "good terms" at the time yet they were secretly recording her and subsequently held onto the tapes. That in itself is conniving and suspect IMO. Almost like they were setting her up to "expose". Well after she explicitly told Kanye he could use whatever lyrics he wanted to, that it was a compliment for him to say they had sex, and that she was fine with him saying it made it more famous and detailing how she would tell the public that he called her before and it was all good..to then turn around and blast him on the Grammy stage for everything BUT the "bitch" line, obv they're gonna expose her. Had she not played them, of course they wouldn't have any reason to release this. We'd probably end up seeing it on some deleted documentary. She had no problem with it until everyone was up in arms about the sex/bitch lyrics when "Famous" DID actually come out, which her team saw the public anger at Kanye and probably told her it's better for her to push her never-ending victim narrative. She knew the Grammy's would be the platform, at first it was to dispel any beef between the two and for her to tell them that she specifically said it was okay, then she switched it to him taking credit for making her famous when she knew all along it was tongue-and-cheek.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 20, 2016 13:55:55 GMT -5
Yeah and no one knows who Taylor Smith is. It's quite sad what this thread has become. All the scavengers came here just because they hate Taylor and they have an opportunity to express how you've feel all this time her. So easy to stay on the 'winner' side. Guess just are ways to increase the self steem. Well people have been literally waiting with bated breath for the slightest bit of "evidence" to crucify her for. All those who've detested her for a while are riding a hate wave and relishing in every moment. It will pass tho. Those who loved her before, will love her still, and those who disliked her before will simply dislike her more. No loss either way. She certainly made some missteps here, but to say it signifies the end of her career? That's just delusion at its finest. Meanwhile instances like this make me glad I'm not a celebrity. My goodness. Could you imagine if so many people were rooting for your demise for a character flaw you've had or a mistake you've made. Lord we'd all be vilified. Lol
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Post by ampersand on Jul 20, 2016 14:10:54 GMT -5
Lmfao at people brushing this off as a mere "mistake." It's not like she just forgot to answer a question on an exam or something. She was being deliberately malicious, calculating, and disingenuous throughout all of this and was banking on her good girl image and public goodwill to bolster her never-ending victim narrative. She knew exactly what she was doing. Now it's finally blown up in her face, and she's facing the consequences. Are Kanye and Kim any better? Absolutely not. But it looks likes she's finally facing off against someone who can play the game better than her. Her career will be fine in the long-run (the gp has forgiven other celebs for much worse), but this is definitely going to at least leave a dent in the image she's spent 10 years building. And this is coming from someone who actually loves her music.
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 20, 2016 14:27:25 GMT -5
Yeah and no one knows who Taylor Smith is. It's quite sad what this thread has become. All the scavengers came here just because they hate Taylor and they have an opportunity to express how you've feel all this time her. So easy to stay on the 'winner' side. Guess just are ways to increase the self steem. Well people have been literally waiting with bated breath for the slightest bit of "evidence" to crucify her for. All those who've detested her for a while are riding a hate wave and relishing in every moment. It will pass tho. Those who loved her before, will love her still, and those who disliked her before will simply dislike her more. No loss either way. She certainly made some missteps here, but to say it signifies the end of her career? That's just delusion at its finest. Meanwhile instances like this make me glad I'm not a celebrity. My goodness. Could you imagine if so many people were rooting for your demise for a character flaw you've had or a mistake you've made. Lord we'd all be vilified. Lol Just...all the melodrama. I think 99% of the posts on here have said that this will not actually affect her career trajectory (provided she doesn't fuck this up any further). Beyond that... 1) Most of us basking in the glow of this joyous Twitter feud would have done so if this had happened to anyone. I don't know how bad your internet service is across the board, but these are some fucked up times we're living in, and in the past month it seems we haven't gone 48 hours without a legitimate tragedy. I think it's perfectly fair to switch gears and enjoy some perfectly inconsequential drama after such prolonged dismay and darkness, since not only does this incident not affect any of us, it barely affects the stars in question. 2) People don't need evidence of any kind to crucify a celebrity on the internet. Imagine if that were the world we actually lived in. 3) The only degree to which this actually has anything to do with Taylor is entirely her own doing. She's perpetuated a certain image of innocence and victimhood for the entirety of her career, most often at the expense of others. That the tables have turned so harshly is a proportionate response* to her own actions and retaliations. *With respect to the completely over-the-top, frenzied, black-and-white way the internet chooses to respond to such celebrity matters that has always existed and become only more prevalent and fervent with social media.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jul 20, 2016 14:31:48 GMT -5
ampersand definitely has the most measured and tempered response to all of this mess I have seen. It's nice to see a fellow fan of her music call her out and prove that it's not just "h8rs" and people who are "literally waiting with bated breath to champion her demise" who will call her on her shenanigans, LOL. I still think it's hilarious that the likes of Kim Kardashian was the one to expose the almighty Taylor Swift. As it's been said, her career will be just fine. Her army of sycophants will see to that, continue taking selfies, and proclaiming her to be the greatest thing since the invention of white bread. Of this, there is LITERALLY no doubt. But, I also respect honesty first and foremost. I already was starting to lose respect for Taylor the person with all of her fauxmance showboating and documenting of every good deed she does. This basically just confirms what I already thought of Taylor Swift the person. But yeah, the hits will (hopefully) keep coming because I still enjoy her music, regardless.
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 20, 2016 14:33:01 GMT -5
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Post by EPG on Jul 20, 2016 15:50:50 GMT -5
This bitch had better be sure that there is something there to incriminate or show Kim and Kanye in bad light. If there is nothing else of substance in the phone call or further damning audio of her, then she is fuuuuuucked.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jul 20, 2016 16:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by Oprah on Jul 20, 2016 16:29:57 GMT -5
If she just apologized, admitted she lied, and cried about how ~fame~ made her lose herself but this has given her perspective, the whole incident would wind up being a net win for her. Digging in her heels and trying to convince the world the sky isn't blue just makes her look like more of a sociopath.
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Post by @DjKingBee on Jul 20, 2016 17:17:16 GMT -5
LOL this chick is having the worst two weeks ever lol after Calvin trashing her now Kim K
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Post by allow that on Jul 20, 2016 17:29:58 GMT -5
That's Kourtney. Know your icons when you're talking about them. idontknowher.gif Know her now? ![:popcorn:](http://ruadventures.com/forum/Smileys/animated/popcorn.gif)
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Post by toomuchboy on Jul 20, 2016 17:53:16 GMT -5
]Well people have been literally waiting with bated breath for the slightest bit of "evidence" to crucify her for. All those who've detested her for a while are riding a hate wave and relishing in every moment. It will pass tho. Those who loved her before, will love her still, and those who disliked her before will simply dislike her more. No loss either way. She certainly made some missteps here, but to say it signifies the end of her career? That's just delusion at its finest. Meanwhile instances like this make me glad I'm not a celebrity. My goodness. Could you imagine if so many people were rooting for your demise for a character flaw you've had or a mistake you've made. Lord we'd all be vilified. Lol I agree, people have been thirsting for the media to rip Taylor to shreds for years now. It wouldn't matter if she really was the virgin saint she pretended was her image, the public turn was coming anyway. If anything, I'm surprised it took so long; my hating Taylor period was during the Red era, and I circled back around when I heard "Blank Space." The one good thing is I doubt she'll have a psychological break with reality like Britney/Mariah. Apologizing wouldn't help the situation, because people would roll their eyes just like they always do when someone apologizes after they're caught. Besides, Kanye is the last person who deserves an apology from her. I'd say they're even.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 18:00:59 GMT -5
Yeah and no one knows who Taylor Smith is. It's quite sad what this thread has become. All the scavengers came here just because they hate Taylor and they have an opportunity to express how you've feel all this time her.
So easy to stay on the 'winner' side. Guess just are ways to increase the self steem.What kind of low key nastiness is this. While I have "respect" for fans who dig their heels and stay defiant in their wrongness. What you won't do hunni is think that we need this event to express our hatred of Taylor Swift the human and for some the studio recording act when some of us like myself have been clocking this woman from jump. I will call her out during her worst, her best moments, in this thread and any other place online. Believe me once offline, taylor Swift..Clauss and her fans don't ever come out of my mouth because she is irrelevant. My self esteem comes from real deep things like when my eyebrows are on fleek, the perfect eyeliner makes my eyelashes bat for the gods, when i check my teeth in the mirror and they are pearly white and not crooked and when i find the right jeans to display my ass. if you for one second think this whole internet celebrity thing is attached to self esteem and is more than two seconds of kiiis then i side eye you because clearly it means that much to you! Seriously there is nothing wrong with accepting faults in your celebrities crushes while praising and thrashing them when needed. Sweety i actually stan for real life talent, a singer someone worth admiration who would make your fav look like distant third cousin of a singer teas but when she wrong i take pleasure in cussing her out. Your unhealthy attachment, you rude way of lashing out and your overall common sense is atrocious. Stick to talking about opinions not the self esteem of other posters, or you can catch a L too. ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/Dlg3oKVxi3ruE/giphy.gif) all of this shit, this post and anything you see online should never be taken serious at all.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 20, 2016 18:03:35 GMT -5
Know her now? :kii:
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Post by Oprah on Jul 20, 2016 18:21:54 GMT -5
]Well people have been literally waiting with bated breath for the slightest bit of "evidence" to crucify her for. All those who've detested her for a while are riding a hate wave and relishing in every moment. It will pass tho. Those who loved her before, will love her still, and those who disliked her before will simply dislike her more. No loss either way. She certainly made some missteps here, but to say it signifies the end of her career? That's just delusion at its finest. Meanwhile instances like this make me glad I'm not a celebrity. My goodness. Could you imagine if so many people were rooting for your demise for a character flaw you've had or a mistake you've made. Lord we'd all be vilified. Lol I agree, people have been thirsting for the media to rip Taylor to shreds for years now. It wouldn't matter if she really was the virgin saint she pretended was her image, the public turn was coming anyway. If anything, I'm surprised it took so long; my hating Taylor period was during the Red era, and I circled back around when I heard "Blank Space." The one good thing is I doubt she'll have a psychological break with reality like Britney/Mariah. Apologizing wouldn't help the situation, because people would roll their eyes just like they always do when someone apologizes after they're caught. Besides, Kanye is the last person who deserves an apology from her. I'd say they're even. The funny thing is, this is all true, but it doesn't make the situation any less bad. The bitch got snatched.
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