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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 22, 2014 8:15:28 GMT -5
Posted 2x on the last page. 1. First, this post is not even necessary. 2. Second, it's not even true as this post starts the next page.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Oct 22, 2014 8:29:40 GMT -5
Wow, some of you really are letting your love for OOTW cloud your judgment. I didn't say it was a bad song, but it would never make a good single. For starters CHR would pretty much just be like "no" when it came to that song.But I know it's impossible to convince Swifties that every song she puts out isn't a smash until it isn't. Well, when you make such a compelling argument as that, I don't know how everyone isn't convinced.
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Post by Joe1240 on Oct 22, 2014 9:12:05 GMT -5
Taylor Swift Can Literally Make A Hit Single Out Of 8 Seconds Of Air She run the world, and here's proof.by Gil Kaufman 2 hours ago Perhaps you were still under the illusion that there are things Taylor Swift cannot do. Well, you should be ashamed. Because pretty much every day for the past week Taylor has found a way to make her Swifties freak out about every single thing she does. Related: 31 Totally Awesome Things That Happened In 1989, The Year Taylor Swift Was Born And because you insist on being an obstinate hater, here’s the ultimate proof. She hit #1 on the Canadian iTunes single chart on Tuesday by doing… nothing. Literally nothing. Like, static. Eight seconds of it, to be exact. According to Slate, because of some glitch in the iTunes Canada chart yesterday, a track was released that appeared to be a new song from 1989, listed as “Track 3.” What it was, however, was just static. Regardless, it shot right to #1 and fans paid $1.29 for it. Related: Find Out Who Loved New York The Most Before Taylor Did As of Wednesday morning (October 22), the Earth appeared to have titled back into its proper orbit and the mysterious track was nowhere to be found on the chart. Taylor did, however, have the two spots nailed down with “Welcome to New York” and “Shake It Off,” with “Out of the Woods” down at #5. www.mtv.com/news/1971486/taylor-swift-itunes-static-canada/
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Post by kanimal on Oct 22, 2014 9:17:44 GMT -5
Taylor Swift Can Literally Make A Hit Single Out Of 8 Seconds Of Air She run the world, and here's proof.by Gil Kaufman 2 hours ago Perhaps you were still under the illusion that there are things Taylor Swift cannot do. Well, you should be ashamed. Because pretty much every day for the past week Taylor has found a way to make her Swifties freak out about every single thing she does. Related: 31 Totally Awesome Things That Happened In 1989, The Year Taylor Swift Was Born And because you insist on being an obstinate hater, here’s the ultimate proof. She hit #1 on the Canadian iTunes single chart on Tuesday by doing… nothing. Literally nothing. Like, static. Eight seconds of it, to be exact. According to Slate, because of some glitch in the iTunes Canada chart yesterday, a track was released that appeared to be a new song from 1989, listed as “Track 3.” What it was, however, was just static. Regardless, it shot right to #1 and fans paid $1.29 for it. Related: Find Out Who Loved New York The Most Before Taylor Did As of Wednesday morning (October 22), the Earth appeared to have titled back into its proper orbit and the mysterious track was nowhere to be found on the chart. Taylor did, however, have the two spots nailed down with “Welcome to New York” and “Shake It Off,” with “Out of the Woods” down at #5. www.mtv.com/news/1971486/taylor-swift-itunes-static-canada/ I rolled my eyes when I saw this absurd post. Obviously, yes, Taylor probably could make a hit out of air...but to suggest people thought they were buying static rather than a new instant gratification track is to admit you're clueless.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 22, 2014 9:42:01 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes when I saw this absurd post. Obviously, yes, Taylor probably could make a hit out of air...but to suggest people thought they were buying static rather than a new instant gratification track is to admit you're clueless. Girrrrrrl, it is meant to be a playful article just reiterating how insane her popularity is atm. Must every. single. thing be beaten to death with the argumentative hammer? That's rhetorical btw.
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Post by kanimal on Oct 22, 2014 9:46:15 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes when I saw this absurd post. Obviously, yes, Taylor probably could make a hit out of air...but to suggest people thought they were buying static rather than a new instant gratification track is to admit you're clueless. Girrrrrrl, it is meant to be a playful article just reiterating how insane her popularity is atm. Must every. single. thing be beaten to death with the argumentative hammer? That's rhetorical btw. The irony of this post.
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Post by surfy on Oct 22, 2014 9:50:07 GMT -5
Wow, some of you really are letting your love for OOTW cloud your judgment. I didn't say it was a bad song, but it would never make a good single. For starters CHR would pretty much just be like "no" when it came to that song. But I know it's impossible to convince Swifties that every song she puts out isn't a smash until it isn't. Look no further than 22 for that. That was supposed to be a multi week #1 mega smash according to a lot of her fans. Really? I think that pop panelists would play the hell out of it (maybe not a #1, but a top 5 at least) in fact, it got 3 adds this week and it wasn't even supposed to be played/sent for adds yet....
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 22, 2014 9:52:35 GMT -5
I can be argumentative, but you will only see me countering points that typically are formed from baseless opinions, as opposed to that and any and everything else in the free world. Iron that out. ;)
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Post by Flip on Oct 22, 2014 9:54:20 GMT -5
I saw this on Twitter... so it's in stores already. LEAK LEAK LEAK
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Post by kanimal on Oct 22, 2014 9:54:34 GMT -5
Wow, some of you really are letting your love for OOTW cloud your judgment. I didn't say it was a bad song, but it would never make a good single. For starters CHR would pretty much just be like "no" when it came to that song. But I know it's impossible to convince Swifties that every song she puts out isn't a smash until it isn't. Look no further than 22 for that. That was supposed to be a multi week #1 mega smash according to a lot of her fans. Really? I think that pop panelists would play the hell out of it (maybe not a #1, but a top 5 at least) in fact, it got 3 adds this week and it wasn't even supposed to be played/sent for adds yet.... Including one from B96, which is neither a joke station nor one desperate for attention. It just seems strange to say this would be a bad fit for pop - now - when a) this is a well-reviewed, buzzworthy, current-sounding song by the biggest artist on the planet right now and b) we've heard so many distinct sounds on pop over the past twelve months.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Oct 22, 2014 9:55:59 GMT -5
Taylor Swift Can Literally Make A Hit Single Out Of 8 Seconds Of Air She run the world, and here's proof.by Gil Kaufman 2 hours ago Perhaps you were still under the illusion that there are things Taylor Swift cannot do. Well, you should be ashamed. Because pretty much every day for the past week Taylor has found a way to make her Swifties freak out about every single thing she does. Related: 31 Totally Awesome Things That Happened In 1989, The Year Taylor Swift Was Born And because you insist on being an obstinate hater, here’s the ultimate proof. She hit #1 on the Canadian iTunes single chart on Tuesday by doing… nothing. Literally nothing. Like, static. Eight seconds of it, to be exact. According to Slate, because of some glitch in the iTunes Canada chart yesterday, a track was released that appeared to be a new song from 1989, listed as “Track 3.” What it was, however, was just static. Regardless, it shot right to #1 and fans paid $1.29 for it. Related: Find Out Who Loved New York The Most Before Taylor Did As of Wednesday morning (October 22), the Earth appeared to have titled back into its proper orbit and the mysterious track was nowhere to be found on the chart. Taylor did, however, have the two spots nailed down with “Welcome to New York” and “Shake It Off,” with “Out of the Woods” down at #5. www.mtv.com/news/1971486/taylor-swift-itunes-static-canada/ I rolled my eyes when I saw this absurd post. Obviously, yes, Taylor probably could make a hit out of air...but to suggest people thought they were buying static rather than a new instant gratification track is to admit you're clueless. It's just a journalism technique. Chill lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 9:58:54 GMT -5
It's Taylor Swift; CHR would play any song of hers a lot, at least in the beginning, just based off her name. Whether they keep playing it would depend on the listeners' reaction to it, but an outright rejection just isn't going to happen. SIO's sound is even more left of center than OOTW, I would say. The instrumental sounds like it belongs in a 2006 recording session with Christina Aguilera more than on 2014 pop radio. But it's catchy and took off immediately. No reason why OOTW (which is superior) wouldn't get that same chance from pop radio and probably that same reaction from listeners. I still use the "throw in this song in a playlist with the current top 10" test to gauge what I think a song's chances are for doing well, and OOTW fits with the current pop songs top 10 just fine. Actually, this week's top 10 pop songs is random as hell, so I'd say that OOTW would have an even easier time making it if she released it now because there's no particular sound that is dominant or that would make OOTW sound out of place.
22 is on par with WANEGBT imo, but looking back at its old call scores, the main problem seems to be that its beginning scores were pretty much the same as what WANEGBT and IKYWT had - two or three months into their runs when the burn rate was getting high. Decent yet not overwhelming positivity, but already sort of high negativity...and the negativity started creeping up from the mid-20s to the mid-30s within its first month, while the positivity stayed stagnant in the high 50s. I really believe that had little to do with the song itself and more to do with people burning out on Taylor in general (this was when she started catching the bulk of criticism for her dating life and getting knocks for taking Tina Fey's Golden Globes jab too seriously), and I wonder now if that is why Big Machine chose not to push 22 harder or send any more songs to pop. Her album sales were where they were expected to be and knowing that she would be coming back to pop with the next album, they didn't want to risk wearing out Taylor's welcome early.
So if I were to have any concern, it is not for any of Taylor's songs, which likely all are strong enough on their own merits. I'd be a little worried that Taylor's era might end prematurely no matter what her singles are because people burn out on Taylor herself too quickly. I hope this does not turn out to be the case, however. I want a solid, four to five single era.
Apologies for not quoting, I don't want anyone to think I'm talking 'at' them but I was just responding to the current discussion as a whole so didn't really know who to quote.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Oct 22, 2014 9:59:04 GMT -5
I saw this on Twitter... so it's in stores already. LEAK LEAK LEAK Damn, that needs to be less blurry so I can see potential singles!
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Post by Joe1240 on Oct 22, 2014 10:44:19 GMT -5
This album might leak today. The same way "Red" leaked back in 2012 was a store putting it up early.
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 22, 2014 10:50:52 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, 22 is excellent, and the writing is absolute fantastic (for a pop song). I think it's everything Taylor excels at and it should be a model for what Taylor is aiming for in 1989, lyrically. I've always thought it manages to be really descriptive, so completely "her", and deceptively clever, while not being one hint of country. "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time / It's miserable and magical, oh yeah" is such excellent writing. And it's totally pop. And it's not in the least generic. "It feels like a perfect night, for breakfast at midnight. To fall in love with strangers." It's so excellent, so specific, we all know it. 22 may have not been a number 1 smash, and I hate that the touch of cheesy immaturity turns some people off subtly. But to me, that whole song, the structure, the writing, it's perfection. It shows that Taylor can incorporate everything we love about her into a pure pop song. So I hope 1989 delivers. I'm glad you love the song, but only Taylor's brilliant PR hype machine could translate into people referring to the lyrics "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time / It's miserable and magical, oh yeah" as excellent writing. It's not bad writing by any means--it works perfectly with the song and I appreciate how the whole song comes together in theme even though I personally dislike it, but nothing about that line--or 22 in general--demonstrates the lyrical craftsmanship that great songwriters, and Taylor herself, are capable of. I wonder if she uses the same people that have convinced the public that Christina Aguilera is the best female pop singer for the past 15 years?
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Post by Active Aggressive on Oct 22, 2014 12:56:09 GMT -5
Posted 2x on the last page. 1. First, this post is not even necessary. 2. Second, it's not even true as this post starts the next page. I don't know you but keep it cute. I was just letting him know that the clip was already posted 2x on the previous page. Anyway, he removed his post after I posted that so... Edit: dbhmr must be some sort of wizard. Even when I disagree with him (which, admittedly, isn't all that often), I still love him, LOL.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 22, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by theflying on Oct 22, 2014 14:01:05 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says, 22 is excellent, and the writing is absolute fantastic (for a pop song). I think it's everything Taylor excels at and it should be a model for what Taylor is aiming for in 1989, lyrically. I've always thought it manages to be really descriptive, so completely "her", and deceptively clever, while not being one hint of country. "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time / It's miserable and magical, oh yeah" is such excellent writing. And it's totally pop. And it's not in the least generic. "It feels like a perfect night, for breakfast at midnight. To fall in love with strangers." It's so excellent, so specific, we all know it. 22 may have not been a number 1 smash, and I hate that the touch of cheesy immaturity turns some people off subtly. But to me, that whole song, the structure, the writing, it's perfection. It shows that Taylor can incorporate everything we love about her into a pure pop song. So I hope 1989 delivers. I'm glad you love the song, but only Taylor's brilliant PR hype machine could translate into people referring to the lyrics "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time / It's miserable and magical, oh yeah" as excellent writing. It's not bad writing by any means--it works perfectly with the song and I appreciate how the whole song comes together in theme even though I personally dislike it, but nothing about that line--or 22 in general--demonstrates the lyrical craftsmanship that great songwriters, and Taylor herself, are capable of. I wonder if she uses the same people that have convinced the public that Christina Aguilera is the best female pop singer for the past 15 years? There's no hype machine. It's very tricky to be personal, specific, and succinct with a good structure, all for a song engineered for Pop/CHR. 22 is an example of Taylor not being generic while being a top notch pop songwriter. To be frank, I really couldn't care less if you don't think 22 is well written. I 100% think it is. Also, that line is brilliant; I know EXACTLY what she's referring to. If you had to sum up the early 20s, to me, "happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time" is an A+ description. I think it's you who is deceived by how easy she makes it look. That's hard stuff to do.
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Post by theflying on Oct 22, 2014 14:10:30 GMT -5
Also: see he Rolling a Stone article about how Taylor Swift is the world's biggest pop star for more affirmation about what I'm talking about.
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Post by kanimal on Oct 22, 2014 14:12:54 GMT -5
22 was an instant favorite to me from that album, but I wouldn't really call "happy, free, confused and lonely at the same time" specific. It *is* a very generic line. It's not a bad line. It's not an untrue line. It's just very broad.
And so it really confused me when she put it in her Twitter profile as if it was some brilliant, personal description of herself.
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Post by inclinations on Oct 22, 2014 14:15:15 GMT -5
Who is the best female pop singer of the past fifteen years? Taylor obviously loves Christina so I can too. I'm really hyped up about this release after hearing Out Of the Woods, I read somewhere on here someone relating it to Holy Ground (my fave off of Red) and I do see the comparison, both are such ear worms. I have little doubt that this will open at #1, she always does a fantastic job of building momentum for her releases, and this is no exception. IDK why people are citing 22 as an example of her song writing abilities, All Too Well is just one example of her songwriting abilities. She's excellent, and one of the few artists who has a hand in writing all of her own songs, honestly she's probably the best mainstream pop singer/songwriter at the moment, in terms of her songwriting abilities. 22 is more of a fun song with cheek in tongue lyrics, why so serious?
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Post by slayZ on Oct 22, 2014 14:59:06 GMT -5
The album is out in Germany. There are pictures of people holding it. Supposedly, the people who have it don't want to leak it but this will come out eventually. It's only a matter of time.
A store in Chicago had it too. And Targets around the country got their first shipments today. It's happening.
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Post by Flip on Oct 22, 2014 15:11:57 GMT -5
Germany.. That's only an hour away for here he he
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Post by inclinations on Oct 22, 2014 15:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Peterawr on Oct 22, 2014 15:36:47 GMT -5
All it takes is ONE person to leak the songs. Then it's out. I can't wait :x
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Post by Flip on Oct 22, 2014 15:39:01 GMT -5
Can just 1 of those Germans get off their lazy ass and give us the songs already
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Post by justlurkingaround on Oct 22, 2014 15:39:22 GMT -5
And it leaked.
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Post by Flip on Oct 22, 2014 15:40:18 GMT -5
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Post by justlurkingaround on Oct 22, 2014 16:01:19 GMT -5
False alarm. The link that popped up on Twitter turned out to be ArtPOP. But it's basically going to be any minute now. Apparently it's also been released at Tesco shops in the UK. The tracklist has officially leaked via people taking a cover of the back. It's the same as the one reported on page 23.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 22, 2014 16:10:01 GMT -5
As this leaks, just a cautionary pre-emptive reminder not to share links to leaks here, due to the ProBoards TOS. ;)
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