Uncle Lumpy
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 25, 2014 9:25:50 GMT -5
Wow, self righteous devils advocacy has reached an all time high here at Pulse. So when are we allowed to give an opinion of a song now? Top 30? Top 20? Do we wait til its a multiple week chart topper to mention that a song appears to have been written by a couple of Pre pubescent Jr High school kids? It's not like we are talking about an artist that hasn't been rewarded by releasing complete an utter crap before. "Drink to That All Night" anyone?
While Ive never met or interviewed Jerrod , and I have no way to gage how serious he views this song , his reactions to criticism of it has came off as as not only insensitive & less then truthful , frankly he has come off as arrogant. Good / bad music is subjective but we are talking about a guy that brought up Willie & Waylon while defending a song that says all the ladies love to ride his.... donkey. And they walk funny after wards. I'm no prude , but this song was released and being played on country stations across the country. Never mind the fact that it was actually folks like Willie & Waylon that fought for decades to end goofy hay bales & dumb southern stereotypes that Jerrod would happily reintroduce all while telling traditional country fans they don't know what they are talking about. I don't care if it peaked at #43 or #3 , I find this song vile. That doesn't mean I don't criticize Luke , Aldean , Florida Georgia Line or the rest of the bozo squad, but apparently this particular piece of "art" has crossed a line with folks. Sure this one peaked in the 40's but he got alot of undeserved exposure. Who is to say the next crude low brow "humor" single doesn't go top ten? Spin it all you like but Jerrod isn't "making fun of Bro-country" , hes making a buck off of it.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 25, 2014 9:43:02 GMT -5
You have saved country music from a #43 donkey. HEY now, I pose no threat to country music. OK, OK, as my penance for contributing puerile jokes to this thread I have changed my display name. As much as I like Jerrod, "they dig the way I ride that ass/they walk funny when they're done riding you know who" made me see red and deprived me of the ability to take "Donkey" as good-humored satire a la Brad Paisley's "Ticks." Like Uncle Lumpy, I also thought Jerrod's comments to Rolling Stone about critics of his previous and current single were facile and (deliberately?) deceptive. That said, I also think that, based on Zazie's comments and some pushback in other threads, there is a lesson in here about keeping the quantity and sharpness of our criticism/snark proportionate to the impact and offense of the target. And in that spirit, I for one plan to hold any further fire until the inevitable remix version of this featuring Flo Rida results in a record-setting run at #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart...
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matty005
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Post by matty005 on Jun 25, 2014 13:12:45 GMT -5
Wow, self righteous devils advocacy has reached an all time high here at Pulse. So when are we allowed to give an opinion of a song now? Top 30? Top 20? Do we wait til its a multiple week chart topper to mention that a song appears to have been written by a couple of Pre pubescent Jr High school kids? It's not like we are talking about an artist that hasn't been rewarded by releasing complete an utter crap before. "Drink to That All Night" anyone? If you want to look through all 9 pages, you will see that multiple posters here posted about this song being awful NUMEROUS times (with nothing more to add from their original post). I totally get it if one wants to say this song is awful.... but there is a difference when people repeat this same argument over and over when this song isn't even in the top 40 or anywhere close to a "hit."
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 25, 2014 14:36:44 GMT -5
That's the thing, it should not matter where a song is on the chart. Practically all of us were complaining of the bad singles choice here. Mind you, our lives would not change one bit if Donkey did reach the top of the chart (and I would be jumping off Niagara Falls if it did). We all know Jerrod Niemann is capable of doing better and when an artist does not deliver, we as fans should call them out on it. Imagine going to a Niemann concert and have to sit through Donkey. I am sure ALL of you would want your money back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 16:31:00 GMT -5
I think the real issue here is that people were coming into the thread, stating how much they disliked the song, and then continuing to do so day after day, page after page, without really adding anything to their original thoughts (which is basically what matty005 just said, and I agree with it and wanted to reinforce it). I *think* (and correct me if I'm wrong) that that's where Zazie's frustration was coming from, and I don't blame him at all for that. In fact, some of the blame can probably fall on me, as I should've checked the repetitiveness earlier to keep it from getting out of hand. Look, I'm cool with people coming in here and explaining why they dislike the song, but it's not really constructive to come in here day after day and take cheap shots at the song/Jerrod without really adding anything to your original explanation as to why you disliked the song. For my part, I tried to focus my subsequent posts (after expressing my initial dislike) on "Donkey"'s struggles on the chart. I'm not trying to come down hard on anybody here because I don't think anyone was purposely trying to derail the thread or rile up others. So, I guess to sum it up, let's just try to avoid repeatedly bashing a song/artist. Try to just state why you dislike (or like) a song, and then move on from there. If a person has additional thoughts to add, that's all well and good, but if we can cut out repetitive posts, I think the country forum will be the better for it. Edited so as to not double post: I just noticed that "Drink To That All Night" gained about 600k in airplay on Billboard this past week (where it's the #4 recurrent, only behind "This Is How We Roll", "Get Me Some Of That", and "Bottoms Up" (probably my 4 most disliked songs of the year right there, haha). The airplay gains for DTTAN are another bad sign for "Donkey".
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sabre14
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 26, 2014 13:19:37 GMT -5
With a -101 bullet on MB today, and the past two weeks being without a bullet, "Donkey" should officially be sent recurrent this Sunday on MB. I think the combination of a clogged chart with two songs taking spins away from others (Sam Hunt, Kenny Chensey), the high recurrency of "Drink To That All Night" which jhomes87 pointed out in her post above me and the fact that this song was very off the wall and polarizing to listeners and PD's alike is why this failed at country radio.
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baltized
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Post by baltized on Jun 26, 2014 17:23:14 GMT -5
I gotta wonder if this will hurt Jerrod's credibility with radio.
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onebuffalo
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 26, 2014 17:29:41 GMT -5
I gotta wonder if this will hurt Jerrod's credibility with radio. First, welcome to Pulse Music Board, baltized. Second, Jerrod Niemann is certainly capable of coming back from this fiasco. I miss the Niemann that gave us Lover, Lover in 2010. If Sea Gayle/Arista play their cards right, they can pretend that Donkey did not exist (a tall order there). I liken this to the George Strait single, Drinkin' Man. He certainly came back with Give It All We Got Tonight (#2 from last year).
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Zazie
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Post by Zazie on Jun 27, 2014 9:26:48 GMT -5
I'm not confident in my ability to predict what will be damaging to someone's career at radio and what won't. Some people get arrested and their airplay vanishes permanently, or at least for years. Some have a series of big hits after they run into bad publicity. Some people age gracefully (as measured by spins). Some disappear one single after a very successful album's worth of them. I wouldn't begin to guess.
And Jerrod is a difficult artist to pigeonhole. Covering Lover, Lover (and changing the title along the way) is not what I would have predicted would get an artist who'd struggled at radio to break through, but look what happened. It's possible that Donkey's quick disappearance from the airplay chart will work to make it disappear from the collective memory. Whereas, had Donkey lingered (do donkeys actually linger?), it might have created an indelible link between itself and Jerrod's discography.
Or so I can hope, because, infuriating or not, he's got an active imagination and he isn't like most of the others. Maybe that's good and maybe that's bad, but I think the cookie-cutter nature of country singles is perhaps the worst flaw we have at radio right now (though there are other flaws that compete).
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bjer127
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Post by bjer127 on Jun 27, 2014 9:35:54 GMT -5
Arista should quickly toss this one aside and reveal the next single. Don't even bother with a music video at this point. I listened to the album again yesterday (some tracks are cringeworthy), and I actually thought "Refill" would sound very good on radio. It's laid back, breezy with harmonica in the chorus. Has almost a feel like "Helluva Life". Plus, i could TOTALLY see the slogan "After Drinking All Night, dont you need a REFILL" ad in Country Aircheck LOL.
He could also go with Lucky #7 or I Can't Give In Anymore (which has a nice steel solo towards the end). he may not vanish from radio, but he should be able to get back in the good graces with a good song.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 27, 2014 9:40:57 GMT -5
You have saved country music from a #43 donkey. HEY now, I pose no threat to country music. OK, OK, as my penance for contributing puerile jokes to this thread I have changed my display name. As much as I like Jerrod, "they dig the way I ride that ass/they walk funny when they're done riding you know who" made me see red and deprived me of the ability to take "Donkey" as good-humored satire a la Brad Paisley's "Ticks." Like Uncle Lumpy, I also thought Jerrod's comments to Rolling Stone about critics of his previous and current single were facile and (deliberately?) deceptive. That said, I also think that, based on Zazie's comments and some pushback in other threads, there is a lesson in here about keeping the quantity and sharpness of our criticism/snark proportionate to the impact and offense of the target. And in that spirit, I for one plan to hold any further fire until the inevitable remix version of this featuring Flo Rida results in a record-setting run at #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart... The "rida" of the donkey is going at a surprisingly fast clip here. I don't know about post of the year but certainly "43donkeyvillas" is a strong candidate for poster of the year. I'm not sure how often we can expect to be favored by her making an appearance here, but I know I'll be keeping a sharp lookout, hoping for a chance to get her autograph. I'll go look up that issue of Rolling Stone and see what JN's transgressions amount to. "Facile" doesn't look good. For the record, I don't claim this song as a member of the same stable (ooh) as Paisley's Ticks. This is more like Lennie Bruce or George Carlin (not in quality but in style), and although he might benefit from an application of Paisley-style lightness, Jerrod may have exhausted his supply of gentle wit on the Judge Jerrod album, leaving him with only a version that makes people see red. That is its own tradition, not without value.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 1, 2014 9:33:58 GMT -5
We can all come out now. No more Donkey on the chart. That's what I like, an ass-free chart!
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Post by Zazie on Jul 2, 2014 20:55:25 GMT -5
We can all come out now. No more Donkey on the chart. That's what I like, an ass-free chart! What about the #22 song on this week's BB chart? You don't count that one?
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 2, 2014 21:25:00 GMT -5
What about the #22 song on this week's BB chart? You don't count that one? That has nothing to do with this song or thread. Just like other threads, this one should be locked because people like you continue to troll and derail threads because you do not like "bro country". If you want to discuss Jerrod's new single, please refer to this thread. pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/141153/jerrod-niemann-buzz-back-girlA thread shouldn't and won't be locked because someone has an opposing opinion to yours. Sorry if that comes as news to you.
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Post by McCreerian on Jul 2, 2014 21:31:04 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with this song or thread. Just like other threads, this one should be locked because people like you continue to troll and derail threads because you do not like "bro country". If you want to discuss Jerrod's new single, please refer to this thread. pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/141153/jerrod-niemann-buzz-back-girlA thread shouldn't and won't be locked because someone has an opposing opinion to yours. Sorry if that comes as news to you. Exactly! Who made him moderator?...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 22:06:52 GMT -5
Sigh...I believe I posted just last night in the "This Is How We Roll" thread about not responding to something in-thread and derailing the thread as a result. If you feel someone has violated board rules (which didn't happen here), please report the post and let actual moderators deal with it. @brian, please check your PM's.
Let's get discussion back on track (although with "Donkey" now recurrent, it's probably best to just let this thread fade away).
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