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Post by LBTrocks on Feb 20, 2015 23:47:54 GMT -5
This song is absolutely gorgeous. The lyrics are so powerful and I'm sure are relatable to a wide audience. I don't get emotional over a lot of songs, but this is one that gets under my skin and tugs at my heart strings. I think this should have been a much bigger hit much quicker. Excellent video too.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 23, 2015 23:47:08 GMT -5
If this song can manage to hang on for one more week, then it could reach as high as #13 on Billboard next week, as Sun Daze, I See You, and Take It On Back should all go recurrent. While 3 spots might not seem like much in the long run, I'm certain Jake and his team would much rather be able to call this a top 15 hit (then if it were to peak at #16).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 0:08:22 GMT -5
If this song can manage to hang on for one more week, then it could reach as high as #13 on Billboard next week, as Sun Daze, I See You, and Take It On Back should all go recurrent. While 3 spots might not seem like much in the long run, I'm certain Jake and his team would much rather be able to call this a top 15 hit (then if it were to peak at #16). If "Raise 'Em Up" has another week of monstrous gains, it might leapfrog Jake, but otherwise I agree--there is an obvious path here to get up to #14 or #13, and I would be very surprised if RCA didn't keep pushing this for at least another week. My guess is they will take it on a week-to-week basis from here on out. If they get to #14 or #13 next Monday and suddenly it's looking like Thomas Rhett and/or Randy Houser are ready to fall hard, then they might just keep pushing "What We Ain't Got" for another couple of weeks. Personally I think that #14 or #13 next Monday will be as high as this one can get, but you never know.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 24, 2015 15:51:33 GMT -5
Yes, they'll obvious keep trying to get this up or staying on the charts a little while longer. Who knows, while it's certainly a (very) long shot, maybe the single somehow gets a Mediabase Top 10 yet.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 24, 2015 22:01:04 GMT -5
Yes, they'll obvious keep trying to get this up or staying on the charts a little while longer. Who knows, while it's certainly a (very) long shot, maybe the single somehow gets a Mediabase Top 10 yet. Boy top 10 is not looking likely on either chart. On MB, Jake will need to get at least another 4500 to 5000 points and about 8-9 million more in audience (assuming he gets fortunate with some recurrents by then). I just don't see that happening. Luke's the only one going recurrent on Sunday and FGL is the only other songs without a bullet, though Chase's is in free fall mode now. Don't forget Tyler and Keith/Eric gaining on Jake as well. Not to mention the loss of 305k in audience today with a ever so slight loss in audience yesterday. RCA might try and keep this alive for another week or two but it's going to be a super hard feat to get this top 10 and one I don't think will be accomplished.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 24, 2015 22:41:00 GMT -5
Right, I didn't say they would get there. I said it was a long shot at best but that they may try somehow.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 12, 2015 11:48:48 GMT -5
Big loss on MB today with a -700k in audience. "What We Ain't Got" is down 850k in audience and 43 spins so far this week. Jake's total audience has stayed flat the past three weeks and at 34 weeks old on Billboard, a top 15 peak looks as high as this one gets - which most of us have known for a while.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 12, 2015 13:08:41 GMT -5
Shame. I really wanted to see this make the Top 10. But a Top 15 finish is pretty great nonetheless and I feel like this single choice was a success and definitely a risk worth taking.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 12, 2015 15:15:38 GMT -5
I know the label wanted to keep this afloat a little bit longer to try and reach Gold status, but unfortunately it does seem like it's time has come and gone. It hasn't grown much at all on radio the past couple of weeks, and it's starting to slip in sales too. Obviously this being a slow song really hurt it's chances with radio, but it also didn't help burning up all those weeks in the 30's back when the chart was more of a bloodbath. I hope Jake and his label wait a bit, and then release the next lead single sometime around end of April to coincide with the ACM Awards. If he has another summertime anthem in his pocket, it wouldn't be a bad time to release it, help restore his momentum and cache at radio, and then try again with a more serious or traditional release with the second single.
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 12, 2015 15:30:24 GMT -5
Top 15 is not a bad result for "What We Ain't Got" at all. It will likely end up being a Gold-certified single by the end of the year or early next year too. That's a good result for a song like this. It did what he wanted to do and look for radio to be more receptive to a Jake Owen ballad the next album go-round. His "momentum" with radio is fine. He'll deliver a fun, light (or tempo driven) song for radio that they'll love. That was the plan for after this single anyway.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 17, 2015 10:21:27 GMT -5
Well this song hasn't thrown in the towel yet apparently. Up 50 spins and nearly 600k in audience on MB today. With "Lonely Tonight" set to go recurrent next week, "What We Ain't Got" could squeak into the #13 spot on Billboard, and if it could last one more week after that, #11 could be possible with Jason and Brett's song in free fall mode, but of course this all depends if Jake can fend of Billy Currington's "Don't It", which has been gaining steadily lately.
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Post by Zazie on Mar 17, 2015 11:07:09 GMT -5
I really like this song, and I'm not sick of it yet because my local stations only found it recently. Still, I don't know why it's getting 600k gains as it begins Billboard chart week 35. It's still a good 3-4 weeks away from the BB top 10, maybe more if Chesney catches up to it as well as Currington. (Of course it will do fine if it can keep up the 600k gains.)
Just seems like this has hit its natural peak, and it's time for new material. Enough.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 17, 2015 11:28:16 GMT -5
I really like this song, and I'm not sick of it yet because my local stations only found it recently. Still, I don't know why it's getting 600k gains as it begins Billboard chart week 35. It's still a good 3-4 weeks away from the BB top 10, maybe more if Chesney catches up to it as well as Currington. (Of course it will do fine if it can keep up the 600k gains.) Just seems like this has hit its natural peak, and it's time for new material. Enough. I agree. RCA needs to just walk away here. Radio desperately wants to let this one go and I thought the label would throw in the towel after a loss of nearly 1 million in audience this past week. If they're waiting for a top 10, that's still going to be a tough task as "What We Ain't Got" will need to gain at least 5 million more in audience on MB to achieve that - with some help from recurrents - and oh, BTW, Billy and Kenny are closing in fast. The song will not be greatly affected in sales with a couple more weeks in promotion either, or at least anything meaningful IMO. Jake has new music ready by what Gary Overton had to say at CRS back In February, so IMO, RCA needs to fly the white flag here.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 17, 2015 19:48:56 GMT -5
RIP What We Ain't Got. I wanted this to go top 10 but I think the label did their best to push it.
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Post by Zeebz on Mar 17, 2015 21:31:01 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite recent country singles and it's sad to see it reach its end. However, it's amazing that it has lasted for so long and the fact that this was even a single is fantastic. So glad that it made the top 15.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 18, 2015 10:29:57 GMT -5
RCA has clearly decided to give "What We Ain't Got" a last push. Jake's up another 597k in audience and 700k since Sunday (negative update on Sunday). I don't see the point of continuing promotion of this song though. The sales have tapered off and it still has a lot to do to get top 10. There will be two recurrents over the next two weeks (Blake and Jason). That brings Jake up to #12 (assuming he can stay ahead of Kenny and Billy). Let's say Jake can leap A Thousand Horses - that brings him up to #11. That would mean "What We Ain't Got" would last at least 11 more days, and it still wouldn't be top 10. RCA has to do something about Miranda's song which as lost nearly 900k in audience the past 10 days, and they have a song in the top 5 right now with "Lonely Eyes".
"What We Ain't Got" has been in the MB top 50 for 31 weeks now. I know that a top 10 achievement is prestigious but it's just a waste of money and effort in this case.
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 18, 2015 13:38:43 GMT -5
Maybe they're trying really hard to make this one a Top 10 as a final 'thank you' to Gary Overton leaving? Doubt it. Either way, the fact that this is 'rebounding' is music to my ears. :)
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 20, 2015 12:33:24 GMT -5
Well, look at what Friday has brought - a loss of 285k in audience and 32 spins. Quite the difference of the the 400k gain in audience yesterday and the 597k, the day before that. Perhaps RCA has conceded mid-week and will let this go after all?
Definitely need to see how the next two days turn out.
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Post by someguy on Mar 20, 2015 14:51:35 GMT -5
It could be a case too where a label push can only do so much. I'm sure RCA would love to get it into the top 10, but at the end of the day, when radio is done with a song, they can't really force them to play it. I think it's been kept going a few weeks past its natural peak at this point, and I expect the bottom to fall out any day now.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 20, 2015 14:55:38 GMT -5
It could be a case too where a label push can only do so much. I'm sure RCA would love to get it into the top 10, but at the end of the day, when radio is done with a song, they can't really force them to play it. I think it's been kept going a few weeks past its natural peak at this point, and I expect the bottom to fall out any day now. I'm sure they came up with every possible circumstance where this could get top 10 but there was no way any of those were going to happen here. Radio wanted to let this go a couple weeks ago, and RCA has kept it alive. When the bottom falls out, I got a feeling this song will be having quite the drop.
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Post by someguy on Mar 20, 2015 14:59:01 GMT -5
It could be a case too where a label push can only do so much. I'm sure RCA would love to get it into the top 10, but at the end of the day, when radio is done with a song, they can't really force them to play it. I think it's been kept going a few weeks past its natural peak at this point, and I expect the bottom to fall out any day now. I'm sure they came up with every possible circumstance where this could get top 10 but there was no way any of those were going to happen here. Radio wanted to let this go a couple weeks ago, and RCA has kept it alive. When the bottom falls out, I got a feeling this song will be having quite the drop.Yeah I think so too. If this manages to bullet on Mediabase this week (which I think is possible), with their 2 bulletless week prior to removal rule, I could see it possibly even dropping out of the top 40 the week it gets pulled (like Chase Bryant almost did). If they somehow manage a +1 or +2 bullet on Sunday, and then start to plummet, we could see a massive drop. I do like the song, but that would be kind of interesting to see.
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Post by ant on Mar 23, 2015 13:21:26 GMT -5
Anyone think we're getting a 4th single from the album? If so, what do you want it to be?
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 23, 2015 13:23:39 GMT -5
Anyone think we're getting a 4th single from the album? If so, what do you want it to be? Jake's already well into recording his next album and former CEO Gary Overton said new music would be coming this year, so it's extremely doubtful we'll get "Ghost Town" released. I expect a lead single to follow "What We Ain't Got", and rather soon too.
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 23, 2015 14:43:57 GMT -5
Anyone think we're getting a 4th single from the album? If so, what do you want it to be? Jake's already well into recording his next album and former CEO Gary Overton said new music would be coming this year, so it's extremely doubtful we'll get "Ghost Town" released. I expect a lead single to follow "What We Ain't Got", and rather soon too. This. He mentioned that he was recording new stuff when he released this single thinking it was a great cap to the "Days Of Gold" album cycle. Even if they waited til late summer to release something, he'll get plenty of recurrent airplay this summer with "Beachin'" and "Anywhere With You" and "Barefoot Blue Jean Night" to carry him through but I suspect you should expect announcement of a next single as early as tonight on Aircheck (with an ad) or by next week. It's likely the next song has been picked for a few months already and was just waiting on this single to make its rounds.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 23, 2015 20:00:29 GMT -5
I really believe this is the end of the line for this one. "What We Ain't Got" has managed to pretty much break even in audience the past two days. RCA was able to get a respectable gain of 700 points and 1.03 million in audience this past week (only one day saw an ugly update), but both Billy and Kenny are on pace to pass Jake this week on MB, and Billy already did on Billboard.
Even if we play hypothetical and say "What We Ain't Got" stays alive for another bulleted week, and assume he stays ahead of both Billy and Kenny on MB (unlikely), that would get Jake to #11 next week, at the highest, assuming Brett can lose enough total points. There's a chance zero songs will be losing their bullets in the top 10 next week, or at worst one, which means Jake would have to wait at least two full weeks to get a shot at the MB top 10, and that is so not happening. The only prayer this has is if the planets align and Jake can get another bulleted week. Stay ahead of Billy and Kenny. Brett falls below, and he passes A Thousand Horses - which I give about a 5% chance of happening.
I just got to think RCA see's the ridiculousness of continuing promotion for this song, especially with the writing clearly on the wall. Radio desperately wants to let go of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:57:43 GMT -5
I really hope this is finally done. Nothing against Jake Owen or the song, but this chart run should have ended many, many weeks ago and some days the losses have been so big that it's crazy to see this have recovered and extended its chart run so many times.
I can see why RCA is investing so much time in this, though. The label that Love and Theft recently compared to an empire is now down to three struggling songs left on the Mediabase chart. Chris Young's "Lonely Eyes" is looking like Chris' fourth top 5 peak in a row, Miranda Lambert's "Little Red Wagon" may become her lowest-peaking single since "Dead Flowers" and could do some real damage to ML's momentum, and Jake Owen's radio career has really taken a nosedive after the huge success of his BBJN era. That's why it makes sense for the RCA team to be pouring all they can into the three songs they have left floundering on the chart. This label is in a really bad place right now, although I do see how they can easily dig themselves out of this hole if Chris and Jake come back with strong lead singles and Miranda Lambert releases "Smokin' and Drinkin'" to close out her Platinum era.
Personally, "What We Ain't Got" seemed like a solid album track, but a very poor single choice. It's respectable for an artist to try some deeper, riskier material sometimes and not every song has to be a top 10, but Jake Owen had just flopped two songs ago with "Days of Gold" and he really wasn't in a position where he could afford another song that would struggle on the charts. Jake Owen himself wanted this released to radio, but imo it was a bit of an irresponsible decision for the label to comply with Jake's request in this case. I'm still so surprised to see an artist who had so much upward momentum coming off his last album get so derailed from radio success the way Jake Owen has. Hopefully, Jake has the right single ready to lead off his next era and get him back into the top 5 on the charts.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 29, 2015 12:57:31 GMT -5
I do think (for real this time, lol) that "What We Ain't Got" will not come back from this week's update. It's down 714k in audience for the week and 59 spins. Jake will most likely land at #14 this evening as both Billy and Kenny jumped him. Brett will be the only one going recurrent next Sunday (Easter) and Tim's song is now very close to "What We Ain't Got" as well.
I expect RCA to finally give up as radio is just not cooperating here (basically saying that they would like to let it go). The silver lining is that with Jake losing his bullet this week with a relatively small loss, his free fall will only last one week if RCA officially gives up, which I do expect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 11:48:35 GMT -5
This gaining 258k after being sent recurrent on Billboard and nearly collapsing about 4 times in the teens has got to be an early April Fool's joke. I'm sure this is being pushed at the expense of label-mates Chris Young and Kenny Chesney, and right now this is just taking up space (on one chart, that is). Ludicrous chart manipulation like this continues to spoil the enjoyment of watching the country airplay charts. It's still highly unlikely this will go top 10, so I can't fathom why RCA is still wasting time and resources on such a hopeless cause when they've now got a song in the top 5 that is in serious danger of missing #1. It is far past time to let this go.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Mar 31, 2015 22:03:23 GMT -5
This gaining 258k after being sent recurrent on Billboard and nearly collapsing about 4 times in the teens has got to be an early April Fool's joke. I'm sure this is being pushed at the expense of label-mates Chris Young and Kenny Chesney, and right now this is just taking up space (on one chart, that is). Ludicrous chart manipulation like this continues to spoil the enjoyment of watching the country airplay charts. It's still highly unlikely this will go top 10, so I can't fathom why RCA is still wasting time and resources on such a hopeless cause when they've now got a song in the top 5 that is in serious danger of missing #1. It is far past time to let this go. I feel like its Jake coming out of pocket with trust fund money to buy spins at this point ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 22:37:24 GMT -5
I think people are looking way too much into this. Radio stations often wait until the charts are released on Monday evenings, and then they adjust their playlists accordingly beginning on Tuesday or sometimes even on Wednesdays. I don't seriously think that RCA is still promoting this. If you notice, Jake lost 20 spins in today's update, so the small audience gain was probably just because it got a few more daytime spins. All in all though it's down almost 100 spins in the last 7 days, and I'm betting we'll see the bottom finally fall out on tomorrow's MB update.
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