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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 1, 2014 21:07:03 GMT -5
I hope she can get an album out by early 2015. Any label news? I honestly believe she's going indie.
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Post by think pink. on Sept 1, 2014 21:18:44 GMT -5
Oh great. An era of 1 single and no promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 21:35:55 GMT -5
Dammit Bran...
I'm trying to think of a place that would be a good fit for her and nothing's popping out but indie is not the move. It takes a certain kind of hustle to be able to transition from major labels to indie and I really don't think girls like her, Monica, Ciara, etc. are cut out for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 2:07:13 GMT -5
Dammit Bran... I'm trying to think of a place that would be a good fit for her and nothing's popping out but indie is not the move. It takes a certain kind of hustle to be able to transition from major labels to indie and I really don't think girls like her, Monica, Ciara, etc. are cut out for it. Depends on what a person really wants/expects out of it, I think. Mya for example sells so little as an indie artist, but I don't get the sense she is suffering from the lack of attention and in fact seems to prefer doing it on her own. I would say Mya is definitely doing it better than say, Ashanti, just in that it's obvious that Ashanti does want to get back to being an r&b radio staple but doesn't have the hustle or know-how to pull herself together. I don't think Mya is concerned with whether or not radio is going to play anything she releases anymore so that's a huge weight off her shoulders in more ways than one. I also think that Bran might simply be in the position where indie is her only feasible choice. I can't think of a label that is really a good fit for her either, mainly b/c there aren't any labels out there that are really prioritizing r&b artists. Maybe Def Jam would do right by her, but that's about it. And if she is thinking of doing things along the line of her "Magic" cover which would be more of an alt-r&b move for her, there almost definitely isn't a major label that is going to support that if for no other reason than that there's no place for that sound on urban OR pop right now. Of course just like everyone else outside of Brandy and her camp, I have no idea what she is thinking or even if she is in fact going indie, so I won't speculate too much on how good or bad a decision it is until I see this era unfold. I will say that she does not strike me as someone who is used to having to handle a lot on the business side and might easily find herself overwhelmed and dismayed by all the work she will have to do herself with much less return for her efforts. So I can see where you are coming from about her not having the kind of hustle needed for it. But if she is okay with a Mya-like path for her career this isn't really a bad thing (for her...the majority of her fans will feel differently I am sure).
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Post by harry on Sept 2, 2014 11:36:48 GMT -5
She's just too inconsistent to be successful again past a hit or two here and there. That paired with the fact that she's had a different label launching her last 3 releases all with 4 year gaps in between really doesn't help.
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 2, 2014 12:24:49 GMT -5
She's just too inconsistent to be successful again past a hit or two here and there. That paired with the fact that she's had a different label launching her last 3 releases all with 4 year gaps in between really doesn't help. My thoughts exactly. I don't see any major label rushing to sign her. Plus Ray J just relaunched Knockout in conjunction with eOne and she is co-owner of the label.
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Post by Live Your Life on Sept 2, 2014 20:33:02 GMT -5
She doesn't have the tenacity to be an indie artist. She gets discouraged VERY quickly. But, as already stated in this thread, there really are no major labels that are particularly flourishing with R&B artists right now. RCA is the only one that I can think of that even have more than a handful of R&B artists on their roster, and, personally, I think that they do an adequate job with them. How successfully (or poorly) their R&B roster's releases perform is due to the state and perception of R&B music right now, more than anything...which leads me to wonder why she's no longer with them when there are artists still on the label whose albums have sold similarly (or less) than "Two Eleven." Maybe Breyon Prescott of Chameleon ENT lost his distribution with them, therefore leaving her without a deal. If she does try to go the major route again, she should maybe try Def Jam. Another thought is trying to link up with Atlantic again. At least they currently seem to do a decent job with working their R&B artists at radio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 20:36:19 GMT -5
Agreed. I don't see Brandy hustling enough to make it as an indie artist. That will be the final nail in the coffin. Reminds me of Faith Evans who took forever between albums (but did well with them) and then went indie and her career crashed and burned. But at least Faith does those gospel shows and tributes and whatnot. Brandy is dedicating her time between albums appearing on shows titled Where Are They Now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 21:55:40 GMT -5
Brandy's got The Game checks coming in though! Don't write off Chardonnay! Lol.
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Post by Live Your Life on Sept 19, 2014 13:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by think pink. on Sept 19, 2014 18:04:38 GMT -5
She hasn't aged a day.
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Post by darko95 on Sept 19, 2014 21:14:43 GMT -5
It would be interesting to hear her work on music with Luke James and Danja. A song with Jeremih would be cool too.
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 21, 2014 10:34:12 GMT -5
She performed the I Wanna Be Down [Remix] with MC Lyte, Queen Latifah and Yo-Yo at the BET Hip-Hop Awards last night (airs October 14th).
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Post by Caviar on Sept 21, 2014 12:12:20 GMT -5
Can't wait!!
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Sept 21, 2014 22:16:03 GMT -5
The problem with a lot of these singers who were big in the 90s now is that they don't know how to (or they don't care enough to) hustle. All most of them had to be able to do was SING and have the support of a major, and it all worked itself out. Now, you really don't have to have much talent at all if you know how to brand yourself, and work at remaining visible. That's why all these random nobodies come out of nowhere and land a stream of hits.
As it relates to Brandy, I don't see her going independent as a huge detriment, because it's not like she actually promotes her shit anyway. The past 3 or 4 albums literally had like a month of her being visible, and then she'd just fall into oblivion. I think at this point in her career she's flopped so many times, that she has convinced herself that she's more focused on "artistic integrity" than remaining a commercial act.
It's kinda sad to see how hard she's fallen off though. She went from being the Beyonce of the 90s to being the Mona Lisa of the 2000s.
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Post by allow that on Sept 21, 2014 22:54:00 GMT -5
It's kinda sad to see how hard she's fallen off though. She went from being the Beyonce of the 90s to being the Mona Lisa of the 2000s. I think that's a bit harsh to her. Sure, all of her biggest hits are tucked neatly away in the 90's, but she's still respected and has a tremendous following. Afrodisiac was a commercial flop at the time, but is now regarded as one of the most influential contemporary R&B albums in recent decades, with everyone from Rihanna to Disclosure to Jessie J to Red Hot Chili Peppers to Beyonce citing it as an influence. For a "washed up" artist, she certainly still manages plenty of duets with more current acts who want her to be a part of their own albums. She still gets curiosity spins each time she puts out a lead single; most 90's acts can only dream of that. Also, she had a #1 Urban single on her last go-round. Certainly can't be counted out completely just yet. So yes, Brandy is definitely well past her commercial peak. But is she on the D-List as you suggest? No. Not even close.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Sept 21, 2014 22:58:52 GMT -5
Stand down, stan! I wasn't counting her out at all. Reading way too deep into a statement that was partially made in jest.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Sept 22, 2014 1:29:15 GMT -5
I'm currently loving "Wildest Dreams." I want more of that from her.
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Post by allow that on Sept 22, 2014 8:42:29 GMT -5
Damn, you got me. No really: must we reach for labels to throw just 'cause we're a little sensitive that our post was called out as BS? Jest or not, the point is Brandy is still somewhat relevant today, and if she weren't, you probably wouldn't be posting in her topic. She's not Mya. Simple.
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Post by Mazo on Sept 22, 2014 12:12:26 GMT -5
I don't get it when people say Brandy was the Beyonce of the 90's when she only had one big album. In what regard does that make her the Beyonce of the 90's? I like Brandy but I think her success like a lot of 90's acts is blown out of proportion.
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Post by think pink. on Sept 22, 2014 12:21:11 GMT -5
It's not like Beyonce ever really had a HUGE album. Brandy had successful albums in the 90's and then one HUGE album/era. She was on a hit tv show, hit movies and was the face of Cover Girl. And even had a huge "feud" with Monica. She was it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:20:47 GMT -5
When people say that Brandy was like Beyonce in the 90s, they are basically saying that she was like Beyonce during her first 2 eras. Brandy never really matched the massiveness of Beyonce right now but her celebrity was similar to Bey during DIL/B'Day in some ways.
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Post by Hashtag Pow on Sept 22, 2014 17:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah... Brandy had hit singles, movie deals, her own TV show centered around her that launched a spin-off that she was earning royalties on, a modeling contract, endless endorsements, and she even had her own Barbie Doll. The comparison applies. Brandy was the blueprint to a lot of the 90s girls, as Beyonce is the blueprint for a lot of these current girls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 3:31:18 GMT -5
I think it's easy for people who weren't around or paying attention then to look at her discography and think 'well she only had that one big album,' without considering the timeline (or the fact that her debut was also huge for her in the US). Her first three albums were spaced apart by four years, and during those gaps Brandy had all that other stuff mentioned above going on for her; if she wasn't on your radio, she was constantly on your tv. So it really was an eight year period of domination; oddly enough she'd probably be at iconic status if she had just released one or two more albums during that time span to really nail home how dominant she was. It's harder to nab that status with only two albums, especially when other people swoop in right at the time that you drop off. That's where the comparison between Bey and Brandy departs - in the longevity of their commercial success, not the peak.
It is really a shame that Bran wasn't able to keep the momentum going with Full Moon (which was a flawless album).
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Post by allow that on Sept 24, 2014 8:36:02 GMT -5
(or the fact that her debut was also huge for her in the US). Yea. I'm confused by those who say she only had ONE huge era. Her debut album had three Hot 100 top 10's and four on the R&B chart (including two #1's). It went triple platinum (or more by now?) and won her awards. Sounds pretty big to me. Just a little footnote that in between her first and second album, she released "Sittin' Up In My Room" from the Waiting To Exhale soundtrack which went to #2 on the Hot 100 and became one of the most popular R&B songs of its respective year. She also released a song with Chaka Kahn and Gladys Knight called "Missing You" which went Top 10 at Billboard R&B, but the fact that she was a teenager collaborating with these veteran, genre icons gave her an authenticity stamp in terms of R&B establishment. Then came Moesha, the movie deals ( I Still Know What You Did Last Summer was a pop culture staple), the endorsement deals, etc. She was definitely a FORCE. Agreed. Back in the 90's people's memory was a bit more long term and three/four years was quite the standard period in between albums though. Today, with social media turning our attention to something new daily, it's quite a difficult concept to grasp. It's a shame that the legitimate culture of the decade is providing many of its stars with a "hindsight handicap" so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 9:24:44 GMT -5
And Cinderella! And whatever that movie was with Diana Ross (Double Platinum?)...shoot, even I forget how much Brandy was surrounded by the veteran stamp of approval every step of the way. I think people sniff at the tv movies b/c again, they don't realize how it was back then; people were not so snobbish toward tv. Both of those movies rated very well IIRC. (or the fact that her debut was also huge for her in the US). Yea. I'm confused by those who say she only had ONE huge era. Her debut album had three Hot 100 top 10's and four on the R&B chart (including two #1's). It went triple platinum (or more by now?) and won her awards. Sounds pretty big to me. The debut was certified quadruple platinum. I wonder if people just glance at her discography wiki and assume it was overcertified since the given sales figure is only 2.1 million, not realizing that BMG and Columbia house sales were always excluded from the Soundscan totals. Most of the big albums of the 90s look overcertified b/c of this. No one is denying that NSN was the definitive era for her, of course, especially worldwide; but her debut was not slouching in any way. OMG I don't know if you meant to shade literally every singer of today's generation with this, but I am so that I refuse to believe you meant anything less
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Post by Wave. on Sept 24, 2014 9:29:46 GMT -5
She just needs the right team man. So much potential. For her to grab another Top 10 R&B hit last go around(and chart on the Hot 100), it's possible for more.
Also, I love her role on The Game. She's one of the few singers who can act.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 24, 2014 9:48:34 GMT -5
To be fair she was an actress first.
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Post by think pink. on Sept 24, 2014 17:29:33 GMT -5
Moe ta tha, E ta tha...
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Post by Live Your Life on Sept 26, 2014 21:07:36 GMT -5
Her debut album was released 20 years ago today.
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