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Post by .indulgecountry on May 3, 2015 18:07:46 GMT -5
I can see where people wouldn't like his voice (preferences and all) but to say he's a bad singer is laughable to me. i also can hear every word he's saying here, quite easily. To me he enunciates well on this one. Ha, no. For starters, saying that it's laughable to be of the opinion that his voice sucks is fundamentally wrong. As for his vocals on this, I just feel like the majority of the notes he's singing in the chorus just sound outside of his comfort zone, like he almost has to struggle to hit them. I could actually tolerate his voice on "Whiskey in My Water," but I feel like that's the only song thus far where I felt like he was playing to his (limited) strengths. I respect that he seems to be at least trying to put out some songs with substance and actual country sound to them, but I just can't get into his voice, and I find it incredibly disheartening that someone like him is working on his third Top 5 hit and someone like Kacey Musgraves hasn't had a single Top 5 hit. That kind of injustice right there only makes it worse.
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Post by Kentucky25 on May 3, 2015 19:34:24 GMT -5
I mean there's plenty of Country singers she is probably more talented than, it's not his fault he's been able to connect to an audience. For as much as I like Kacey she's not exactly everyone's cup of tea. Sure, you don't like his voice, but to say he's bad seems harsh to me. I don't like Reba's voice really, but I don't bash her talents.
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Post by matty005 on May 3, 2015 19:40:50 GMT -5
I mean there's plenty of Country singers she is probably more talented than, it's not his fault he's been able to connect to an audience. For as much as I like Kacey she's not exactly everyone's cup of tea. Sure, you don't like his voice, but to say he's bad seems harsh to me. I don't like Reba's voice really, but I don't bash her talents. I agree with this. I am not musically inclined to know the subtle differences, but I just can't imagine someone becoming successful, having a record deal, and having multiple albums when they have a, "terrible" voice. I don't think that is an opinion. I think an opinion is they have a voice you don't like so it's terrible. But to say it's a terrible voice, to me, is different.
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Post by dm2081 on May 3, 2015 19:41:30 GMT -5
I can see where people wouldn't like his voice (preferences and all) but to say he's a bad singer is laughable to me. i also can hear every word he's saying here, quite easily. To me he enunciates well on this one. Ha, no. For starters, saying that it's laughable to be of the opinion that his voice sucks is fundamentally wrong. As for his vocals on this, I just feel like the majority of the notes he's singing in the chorus just sound outside of his comfort zone, like he almost has to struggle to hit them. I could actually tolerate his voice on "Whiskey in My Water," but I feel like that's the only song thus far where I felt like he was playing to his (limited) strengths. I respect that he seems to be at least trying to put out some songs with substance and actual country sound to them, but I just can't get into his voice, and I find it incredibly disheartening that someone like him is working on his third Top 5 hit and someone like Kacey Musgraves hasn't had a single Top 5 hit. That kind of injustice right there only makes it worse. Most on Pulse will agree with you about Kacey deserving much better airplay at radio, but Tyler is not the reason that she's struggling. It doesn't seem to be very fair to hold that over him. And it's not like nobody wants to listen to Tyler's music: "Redneck Crazy" is Platinum, and both "Whiskey In My Water" and "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" are Gold, so there definitely is a market for him. It's not like Chase Bryant dragging a 200k or less selling song all the way to the top 10.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 3, 2015 20:39:08 GMT -5
I mean there's plenty of Country singers she is probably more talented than, it's not his fault he's been able to connect to an audience. For as much as I like Kacey she's not exactly everyone's cup of tea. As a point of fact, it seems to me that Kacey has been able to connect to a larger audience than Tyler has, considering that she saw his platinum hit and his gold hit with her own (based on less airplay for each of hers) and raised him a gold album while he hasn't cleared the 200K sales threshold with his. I am not musically inclined to know the subtle differences, but I just can't imagine someone becoming successful, having a record deal, and having multiple albums when they have a, "terrible" voice. There are plenty of massive stars, in country and outside of the genre, who struggle mightily to stay in tune (an objective indicator of not being a good singer) and who have thin voices that they don't support well but who, through studio and live aids, come through with hit recording after hit recording. Britney Spears, Tyler Hubbard, and Taylor Swift (though she has worked and improved) are but three prominent examples. This Nashville Scene article from back in 2004 called out a number of superstar country artists as ProTools/AutoTune-reliant, at least one of them in the live setting in addition to the studio setting. But the point of the article is that this didn't stop any of them from becoming superstars. I will concede that sometimes singers with major tendencies to go off-pitch get a pass because they have a beautiful vocal tone (Sara Evans, who was mentioned in the Scene article linked above, comes to mind), while singers with unpleasant tones of voice are more likely to get called out as bad singers independent of pitch sense, breath support, etc. -- that is a subjective thing. But there are some objective indicators of vocal ability, and I think the history of popular music is filled with people who would fail those objective indicators but managed to have big hit careers anyway. To bring this back to Tyler Farr, I was incredibly surprised to read, as dm2081 mentioned, that he had received years of vocal training starting in the seventh grade (according to this profile in The Tennessean) -- I certainly didn't hear any of that on his debut album, but then again, it wasn't much of a showcase for vocals (or much of anything beyond formula, in my view). I think that the assumptions about his vocal limitations stem from the monotony and lack of range on his debut album, as well as the major gravel in his voice. I can accept that the latter is by deliberate choice (he told Rolling Stone Country that he wants to be known as a stylist) -- I don't mind it, but I can see where it would sound overly rough to some and do think he could modulate it a bit more for the sake of emotiveness. But as for the former, even "A Guy Walks Into a Bar" doesn't yield much in terms of melodic variation, so I can see why it may not change minds about Tyler as a singer. "Withdrawals" and "I Don't Even Want This Beer" might, though. I also want to say that while I thought that Tyler Farr's debut was mostly awful, Suffer in Peace is a pleasant and respectable surprise despite the unfortunate and unlistenable first track "C.O.U.N.T.R.Y". I can't help but feel like his midtempos sound too much alike (in no small part due to the production), but on the other hand, the best songs he has are all midtempos (the title track, and the aforementioned "Withdrawals" and "I Don't Even Want This Beer," etc.). I'm glad that I took a listen to the album.
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Post by rsmatto on May 4, 2015 9:44:10 GMT -5
Tyler is definitely showcasing his voice more on the new record. He shredded his vocal chords out on tour with Colt Ford (opening then being the singer in his band) and sang through it rather than go get help. This is one reason he sings differently than he used to (he knew he did something to his voice but didn't wanna lose that gig or something like that).
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Post by dm2081 on May 14, 2015 21:56:37 GMT -5
Really glad to see that this should be Tyler's first Billboard #1 (should be #1 on both charts next week). I'm glad his label didn't panic and try to create a huge push only to settle with a #2 peak. As for the next single, "Damn Good Friends" is still sitting at #52 on the iTunes Country chart, which is pretty impressive for a new artist album cut. It seems like that one is ready to blow up (At least digitally). Having Jason on the song should probably be able to shave a few weeks of the next chart run as well, and help Tyler early on with the huge clutter on the charts right now. However, I'm only speculating that this will be the second single right now, as obviously we've yet to have official confirmation.
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Post by sabre14 on May 14, 2015 22:05:01 GMT -5
Really glad to see that this should be Tyler's first Billboard #1 (should be #1 on both charts next week). I'm glad his label didn't panic and try to create a huge push only to settle with a #2 peak. As for the next single, "Damn Good Friends" is still sitting at #52 on the iTunes Country chart, which is pretty impressive for a new artist album cut. It seems like that one is ready to blow up (At least digitally). Having Jason on the song should probably be able to shave a few weeks of the next chart run as well, and help Tyler early on with the huge clutter on the charts right now. However, I'm only speculating that this will be the second single right now, as obviously we've yet to have official confirmation. It always crossed my mind that Columbia might try a hefty push since Tyler's song was so old but other than the age and wear of the song, the way it played out was the likely scenario in the end. Columbia still counts "Redneck Crazy" and "Whiskey In My Water" as #1 singles and now they will get a third. It was three short years ago that Tyler's debut single didn't even crack the top 40 and his follow up in the fall of 2012 suffered a similar fate. I really believe that if "Redneck Crazy" bombed that Columbia might have pulled the plug, though I knew they were really behind him and his music judging by the # of single attempts he got in such a short period of time. As for this song, I'm soooooo ready for this to peak and go away. It's a good song and I learned to be fine with Tyler's vocals, but I've heard this so many times over the past few months. Seriously, this thread was started in July of 2014 and it went for adds in August of 2014, and its just now hitting #1 in May of 2015, lol. It charted during the summer, fall, winter and spring.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 16, 2015 9:30:54 GMT -5
The most spins I think I have seen in MediaBase: 2 1 TYLER FARR A Guy Walks Into A Bar 8237 7606 631 58.482 As for this song, I'm soooooo ready for this to peak and go away. It's a good song and I learned to be fine with Tyler's vocals, but I've heard this so many times over the past few months. Seriously, this thread was started in July of 2014 and it went for adds in August of 2014, and its just now hitting #1 in May of 2015, lol. It charted during the summer, fall, winter and spring. So this is a hit for ALL seasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 10:22:43 GMT -5
The most spins I think I have seen in MediaBase: 2 1 TYLER FARR A Guy Walks Into A Bar 8237 7606 631 58.482 As for this song, I'm soooooo ready for this to peak and go away. It's a good song and I learned to be fine with Tyler's vocals, but I've heard this so many times over the past few months. Seriously, this thread was started in July of 2014 and it went for adds in August of 2014, and its just now hitting #1 in May of 2015, lol. It charted during the summer, fall, winter and spring. So this is a hit for ALL seasons. In regards to your first comment, it looks like all the songs bumped way up in spins and way down in audience overnight, so I'm sure it has something to do with a panel change which I'm betting sabre14 may know more about. About your second comment, I completely agree. Probably may favorite Tyler single, but it's time to move on. I'll accept "Damn Good Friends" as the next single, but would be blown away if they decide to release "Suffer in Peace" (ever). Also gonna agree with previous sentiment that it's not such a bad thing to get a onebuffalo opinion every now and then, even as much as your wealth of factual knowledge is much appreciated. :)
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Post by onebuffalo on May 16, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
The most spins I think I have seen in MediaBase: 2 1 TYLER FARR A Guy Walks Into A Bar 8237 7606 631 58.482 As for this song, I'm soooooo ready for this to peak and go away. It's a good song and I learned to be fine with Tyler's vocals, but I've heard this so many times over the past few months. Seriously, this thread was started in July of 2014 and it went for adds in August of 2014, and its just now hitting #1 in May of 2015, lol. It charted during the summer, fall, winter and spring. So this is a hit for ALL seasons. In regards to your first comment, it looks like all the songs bumped way up in spins and way down in audience overnight, so I'm sure it has something to do with a panel change which I'm betting sabre14 may know more about. About your second comment, I completely agree. Probably may favorite Tyler single, but it's time to move on. I'll accept "Damn Good Friends" as the next single, but would be blown away if they decide to release "Suffer in Peace" (ever). Also gonna agree with previous sentiment that it's not such a bad thing to get a onebuffalo opinion every now and then, even as much as your wealth of factual knowledge is much appreciated. :) Thanks for the comments!
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Post by ericNY2002 on May 16, 2015 11:29:44 GMT -5
defenitely has to be the panel change going into effect today. Smoke and Don't It jumped over 300 spins alone today as well. WEBG out of Chicago alone accounts for +96 for Tyler, +95 for Don't it and +94 for Smoke
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Post by sabre14 on May 16, 2015 13:11:56 GMT -5
The most spins I think I have seen in MediaBase: 2 1 TYLER FARR A Guy Walks Into A Bar 8237 7606 631 58.482 As for this song, I'm soooooo ready for this to peak and go away. It's a good song and I learned to be fine with Tyler's vocals, but I've heard this so many times over the past few months. Seriously, this thread was started in July of 2014 and it went for adds in August of 2014, and its just now hitting #1 in May of 2015, lol. It charted during the summer, fall, winter and spring. So this is a hit for ALL seasons. In regards to your first comment, it looks like all the songs bumped way up in spins and way down in audience overnight, so I'm sure it has something to do with a panel change which I'm betting sabre14 may know more about. Yep, it's the panel change. Six new stations were added to the MB panel and today was the first day it was reflected. WPGB - Pittsburgh WEGB - Chicago WNCB - Raleigh KWOF - Denver KBEB - Sacramento KSJO - San Jose It results in re-weighted down audience but the spins of course increase with six additional stations.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 16:42:18 GMT -5
^Right, the reason the spins were up is because 6 new stations were added, and the reason the audience decreased is because it was re-calibrated to reflect the Nielsen PPM ratings from Fall 2014, rather than Summer 2014.
In short, more people listened to the radio last summer than during the fall, but that's not really a surprise. It's like that pretty much every year.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 17:06:53 GMT -5
^Right, the reason the spins were up is because 6 new stations were added, and the reason the audience decreased is because it was re-calibrated to reflect the Nielsen PPM ratings from Fall 2014, rather than Summer 2014. In short, more people listened to the radio last summer than during the fall, but that's not really a surprise. It's like that pretty much every year. So any song that saw a loss in spins over yesterday's numbers is probably not in good shape, right? If I'm understanding correctly that's pretty much the only thing we can *truly* deduce from MB bullets (daily or weekly) until next Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 17:25:32 GMT -5
So any song that saw a loss in spins over yesterday's numbers is probably not in good shape, right? If I'm understanding correctly that's pretty much the only thing we can *truly* deduce from MB bullets (daily or weekly) until next Saturday. Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption, although personally I never really pay much attention to the 7-day bullet. I think a daily audience gain or a 7-day audience gain tells us a lot more. Of course, we really can't glean much from today's update, in terms of audience gain/loss, either. But we can still learn a bit from the one-day spins numbers on Kworb. Any song that lost spins today obviously didn't have a good update. Some of these songs might not be getting airplay on the 6 new stations, but that shouldn't have resulted in a loss of spins. No, a big decrease in spins wouldn't have anything to do with the 6 new stations. It looks like most everybody naturally gained a lot of spins, and a few other songs stayed more or less flat (which probably means they're getting minimal to no airplay on the 6 new stations). I see only 2 songs that had really bad updates--Eric Paslay's "She Don't Love You" and Rascal Flatts' "Riot". Eric lost 71 spins, and RF lost 119 spins. Could mean that both songs are coming to the end of the road, but we'll need a few more days before we can draw any sort of conclusion.
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Post by sabre14 on May 16, 2015 17:32:53 GMT -5
So any song that saw a loss in spins over yesterday's numbers is probably not in good shape, right? If I'm understanding correctly that's pretty much the only thing we can *truly* deduce from MB bullets (daily or weekly) until next Saturday. Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption, although personally I never really pay much attention to the 7-day bullet. I think a daily audience gain or a 7-day audience gain tells us a lot more. Of course, we really can't glean much from today's update, in terms of audience gain/loss, either. But we can still learn a bit from the one-day spins numbers on Kworb. Any song that lost spins today obviously didn't have a good update. Some of these songs might not be getting airplay on the 6 new stations, but that shouldn't have resulted in a loss of spins. No, a big decrease in spins wouldn't have anything to do with the 6 new stations. It looks like most everybody naturally gained a lot of spins, and a few other songs stayed more or less flat (which probably means they're getting minimal to no airplay on the 6 new stations). I see only 2 songs that had really bad updates--Eric Paslay's "She Don't Love You" and Rascal Flatts' "Riot". Eric lost 71 spins, and RF lost 119 spins. Could mean that both songs are coming to the end of the road, but we'll need a few more days before we can draw any sort of conclusion. "Riot" is definitely the one that had the most brutal update today but like you said, it's really hard to take much away from this transition day. I do agree that "Riot" and "She Don't Love You" are nearing the end of the line here. #20-21 is right where I expected "Riot" to peak at a two to three months ago, so that song perhaps showing signs of falling off is not a surprise.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 18, 2015 18:36:51 GMT -5
Officially his first Billboard Country Airplay #1.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on May 19, 2015 13:04:18 GMT -5
This song is decent and all, but man, he sounds rough on the verses.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 21, 2015 8:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:48:57 GMT -5
Sorry for bringing this thread back up but this song has fallen so hard the last couple of days. My estimations for tomorrow's Billboard Chart has this landing at #11. I have a Keith at #9 Tim at #10 Kelsea #8. Has a song ever gone from the top strait to recurrent.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 6:11:28 GMT -5
I don't think a song has gone recurrent from #1 on Billboard before. We've had a few Mediabase-only #1 songs fall off the chart the week after peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard ("Southern Comfort Zone," "Begin Again," "Give It All We Got Tonight"), but I don't see this going recurrent on BB this week. On Mediabase, it's currently #9 in spins and #10 in audience, and the gap between this and #11, "Love You Like That," is about 4 million, so I see this falling to #10 on Billboard, which is still the hardest fall I've seen since "So Small" (1-10 back in 2007). Other hard falls include "You Win My Love" (1-11 in 1996), "River of Love" (1-9 in 2009) and "Done" (1-8 in 2013).
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 6:21:33 GMT -5
I don't think a song has gone recurrent from #1 on Billboard before. We've had a few Mediabase-only #1 songs fall off the chart the week after peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard ("Southern Comfort Zone," "Begin Again," "Give It All We Got Tonight"), but I don't see this going recurrent on BB this week. On Mediabase, it's currently #9 in spins and #10 in audience, and the gap between this and #11, "Love You Like That," is about 4 million, so I see this falling to #10 on Billboard, which is still the hardest fall I've seen since "So Small" (1-10 back in 2007). Other hard falls include "You Win My Love" (1-11 in 1996), "River of Love" (1-9 in 2009) and "Done" (1-8 in 2013). Keep in mind Keith Urbans not falling terribly fast. Then the usual Kelsea Easton Carrie Kenny Blake Billy Tim A Thousand Horses FGL fill up the 1-9 spots. If Keith can cling on to the #10 spot that could push Tyler right out of the Top 10 and recurrent. It's gonna be interesting :)
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 6:24:51 GMT -5
^But Keith is still 1000 spins and 2.5 million audience below Tyler as of this morning's Mediabase update (which concludes the BDS tracking week), so he'll probably finish at #11 or #12 on Billboard, unless the Billboard translations are way different than the Mediabase numbers.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 6:39:21 GMT -5
Farr won't go recurrent on Billboard tonight, but he has had the single greatest fall on Mediabase that I can remember (in terms of lost audience/spins), and his Billboard drop will be super immense as well.
The reason he won't go recurrent on tomorrow night's Billboard chart** is because about 4.4 million of the 20+ million he's lost on MB in the last 7 days is from the 2 Westwood One stations. Those stations don't have any effect on BB. So, if you factor those 2 stations out, Farr has lost about 16 million from the other 152 Mediabase stations combined. And his Billboard loss could be anywhere between 70-90% of 16 million. I can't imagine him being any lower than 32-34 million on tonight's Billboard chart. That's only a rough estimation from just eyeballing the numbers just now, but I'm quite confident that Farr will get one more week in the top 10. (Keith/Eric will most likely be at #11, btw; both songs will go recurrent on BB a week from tonight).
In any case, this song should have never been allowed to get to #1. Sure, it went Gold, but if you gave a Blake Shelton or Luke Bryan or any other A-lister song 42 weeks of building airplay, it'd sell a lot more than this one did. Research has shown that a large percentage of listeners have been extremely tired of this song since March and even before that. That's why it shed more than 3000 spins in the last 7 days. Most stations can't slash its airplay fast enough. I'm sure Sony bribed a lot of stations by promising that Tyler would play a lot of free station-backed shows, or maybe they promised other Sony artists as well. (Note: I'm not saying Sony is the only label that is guilty of this payola loophole--all the labels are equally guilty, especially when it comes to promoting singles from new artists).
It's just absolutely ridiculous the way the airplay charts work these days...but the big radio conglomerates are just as much to blame (if not more so) as the labels are.
**The Billboard and Country Aircheck chart issues won't be published 'til tomorrow night, as today is Memorial Day.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 6:40:17 GMT -5
^Keith had a pretty high audience last week for his first drop week so I can see that translating too a #10 finish.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on May 25, 2015 8:19:10 GMT -5
I don't think a song has gone recurrent from #1 on Billboard before. We've had a few Mediabase-only #1 songs fall off the chart the week after peaking at #2 or #3 on Billboard ("Southern Comfort Zone," "Begin Again," "Give It All We Got Tonight"), but I don't see this going recurrent on BB this week. On Mediabase, it's currently #9 in spins and #10 in audience, and the gap between this and #11, "Love You Like That," is about 4 million, so I see this falling to #10 on Billboard, which is still the hardest fall I've seen since "So Small" (1-10 back in 2007). Other hard falls include "You Win My Love" (1-11 in 1996), "River of Love" (1-9 in 2009) and "Done" (1-8 in 2013). You are correct. No one has ever gone recurrent from #1. I think the closest is "These Are My People", which went 1-2-gone.
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Post by Zazie on May 25, 2015 13:05:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Pam Tillis' only #1, Mi Vida Loca, dropped to #16 following its second week at the top back in '94, or maybe '95. That was an impressive drop, but the then-current rules did not allow it to drop off the chart completely.
I've been rooting for Guy Walks to go recurrent all week now, which I concede is mean-spirited of me. I don't like his singing, I don't like his songs; but ordinarily I find it hard to root against a person who's just trying to have a career. But this time I have been unable to restrain my evil self.
I've thought all week that the song would not go recurrent (but it would come close), and I accept JHomes' analysis, but I keep thinking the chances are about 25 to 30% that the song goes away, based on a different expectation of the Urban song's drop rate. It could happen. I think it's much more likely that Farr ends up at #9 on Billboard but I'm not ruling out recurrency completely.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:15:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Pam Tillis' only #1, Mi Vida Loca, dropped to #16 following its second week at the top back in '94, or maybe '95. That was an impressive drop, but the then-current rules did not allow it to drop off the chart completely. I've been rooting for Guy Walks to go recurrent all week now, which I concede is mean-spirited of me. I don't like his singing, I don't like his songs; but ordinarily I find it hard to root against a person who's just trying to have a career. But this time I have been unable to restrain my evil self. I've thought all week that the song would not go recurrent (but it would come close), and I accept JHomes' analysis, but I keep thinking the chances are about 25 to 30% that the song goes away, based on a different expectation of the Urban song's drop rate. It could happen. I think it's much more likely that Farr ends up at #9 on Billboard but I'm not ruling out recurrency completely. I think if Tyler stays it'll be #10 I think Blake Kelsea and Tim have done enough to stay ahead and then a Keith Urban would wind up at #11.
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