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Post by dbhmr on Aug 19, 2014 9:45:45 GMT -5
I wish people would just shut the f**k up about cultural appropriation, its getting old now. I hate this response more than anything. I understand people don't want a complex, sensitive, negative topic surrounding their fave's first single, but considering all the mundane, useless s**t that is analyzed and discussed in every CHR thread (e.g., popularity bars), the grander and important discussion of cultural appropriation--even when some feel it is mishandled or used too broadly--should never be considered problematic or "old" (Jesus wtf) in its own right. ETA: If you don't think it applies, explain why. But trying to shut it down by shutting it up is a really ugly look. |
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Aug 19, 2014 9:54:47 GMT -5
To the fella over there
with the hella good hair
won't you come on over baby
we can shake shake shake.
YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS
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Post by Jack on Aug 19, 2014 9:55:09 GMT -5
I wish people would just shut the f**k up about cultural appropriation, its getting old now. I hate this response more than anything. I understand people don't want a complex, sensitive, negative topic surrounding their fave's first single, but considering all the mundane, useless s**t that is analyzed and discussed in every CHR thread (e.g., popularity bars), the grander and important discussion of cultural appropriation--even when some feel it is mishandled or used too broadly--should never be considered problematic or "old" (Jesus wtf) in its own right. To be fair all this Michael Brown chit chat on the news IS getting a little boring to watch, especially when it eats up VMA news time. #SoOld |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 19, 2014 9:56:48 GMT -5
I wish people would just shut the f**k up about cultural appropriation, its getting old now. I hate this response more than anything. I understand people don't want a complex, sensitive, negative topic surrounding their fave's first single, but considering all the mundane, useless s**t that is analyzed and discussed in every CHR thread (e.g., popularity bars), the grander and important discussion of cultural appropriation--even when some feel it is mishandled or used too broadly--should never be considered problematic or "old" (Jesus wtf) in its own right. ETA: If you don't think it applies, explain why. But trying to shut it down by shutting it up is a really ugly look.  The idea that popular culture and pop music are an inappropriate venue for discussing broader issues in the culture is absurd. Pop culture is a snapshot of our broader culture and the growing trend of cultural appropriation found within pop music is something that should always be analyzed. |
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2014 10:01:15 GMT -5
I wish people would just shut the f**k up about cultural appropriation, its getting old now. I hate this response more than anything. I understand people don't want a complex, sensitive, negative topic surrounding their fave's first single, but considering all the mundane, useless s**t that is analyzed and discussed in every CHR thread (e.g., popularity bars), the grander and important discussion of cultural appropriation--even when some feel it is mishandled or used too broadly--should never be considered problematic or "old" (Jesus wtf) in its own right. ETA: If you don't think it applies, explain why. But trying to shut it down by shutting it up is a really ugly look. Innocent until proven guilty. Someone saying there is cultural appropriation here (even in the snarky "don't get me started on it" tone) is a bold accusation, and it's one that needs to be justified. Especially in light of the fact that Taylor seemed to cast diverse dancers for each "group" to emphasize how the segmentation was not race-based. Completely agree with your reaction to that person's "it's getting old" comment. Throughout history, complaints about injustice probably "got old," but it was not until they got really old that progress started to happen. So I'm fine with anyone who wants to raise points about racism or sexism in the media. That said, I also think those who do raise those points have to be careful to actually think about it before they do so and not just instinctively cry "cultural appropriation" everytime they see a white person interacting with hip hop or a white person putting on geisha garb. In some cases, doing so can actually reflect deep-seeded racism and a subconscious desire for segregation - which is the opposite of what one is intending when he raises a complaint about appropriation. Judged in context, I just don't see how anyone could even begin to think negatively of the race portrayal here. |
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 19, 2014 10:03:46 GMT -5
To the fella over there with the hella good hair won't you come on over baby we can shake shake shake. YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS She cussed!! Our little girl's growing up :'( |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -5
Loving this more and more each listen. Effin bop.
Eta: meanwhile that lead keeps increasing!
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Post by Clauss on Aug 19, 2014 10:54:33 GMT -5
And the lead on iTunes now is increasing. The #2 is 0.4041
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Post by trebor on Aug 19, 2014 10:54:53 GMT -5
"Embarrassing." I'm betting Taylor is going to have a really tough time showing her face in public after that one. I also find it funny that you put that comment adjacent to the notion she has neither "improved nor matured since Red" when the spoken word/rap breakdown here is a million times better than the one on We Are Never. :) WANEGBT: the tiny "spoken" sequence (when she's on the phone) did not bother me at all; but the longer part in SIO does. In the end: It is always a matter of personal taste :)
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2014 11:00:29 GMT -5
And the lead on iTunes now is increasing. The #2 is 0.4041 Good news. But to be fair, I feel like this song really needs to do 250K+ today to live up to the hype (and give itself a shot of besting the 600K+ done by We are Never, since it will inevitably slow down in the coming days). All About That Bass is likely selling about 35K/24 hours, so it wants to get to a margin of 1:0.14 |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2014 11:06:08 GMT -5
And the lead on iTunes now is increasing. The #2 is 0.4041 Good news. But to be fair, I feel like this song really needs to do 250K+ today to live up to the hype (and give itself a shot of besting the 600K+ done by We are Never, since it will inevitably slow down in the coming days). All About That Bass is likely selling about 35K/24 hours, so it wants to get to a margin of 1:0.14 This song will certainly blow right past 250k. Lol |
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2014 11:08:34 GMT -5
Good news. But to be fair, I feel like this song really needs to do 250K+ today to live up to the hype (and give itself a shot of besting the 600K+ done by We are Never, since it will inevitably slow down in the coming days). All About That Bass is likely selling about 35K/24 hours, so it wants to get to a margin of 1:0.14 This song will certainly blow right past 250k. Lol Indication from the estimator sites is that it hasn't even sold 100K since premiering. What's your basis for saying it will blow past 250K today (with an LOL no less)? |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2014 11:13:31 GMT -5
This song will certainly blow right past 250k. Lol Indication from the estimator sites is that it hasn't even sold 100K since premiering. What's your basis for saying it will blow past 250K today (with an LOL no less)? You are basing your "estimations" off of a faulty methodology. To think Taylor Swift's single will open with less than, or even close to 250k is laughable my dear (particularly given her last single opened to over 600k). |
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2014 11:22:53 GMT -5
Indication from the estimator sites is that it hasn't even sold 100K since premiering. What's your basis for saying it will blow past 250K today (with an LOL no less)? You are basing your "estimations" off of a faulty methodology. To think Taylor Swift's single will open with less than, or even close to 250k is laughable my dear (particularly given her last single opened to over 600k). Reading is fundamental, my dear: |
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Post by Bluemargay on Aug 19, 2014 11:24:43 GMT -5
This song won't debut at #1 because it'll get enough airplay to make the chart this week.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 19, 2014 11:28:37 GMT -5
Well the "racist" video controversy won't hurt it - only further exposure. I mean, seriously, I can't believe the lengths the media will go to create greater divisiveness in this country. Not everything is about race or racism. Pretty soon Taylor with have #Ferguson hash tags from bashers. Sad, reall.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2014 11:30:36 GMT -5
You are basing your "estimations" off of a faulty methodology. To think Taylor Swift's single will open with less than, or even close to 250k is laughable my dear (particularly given her last single opened to over 600k). Reading is fundamental, my dear: Lol. You know you are doing something tight when you are expected to sell 250k in one day or it is a disappointment. Even if she doesn't sell 250k first day out, she will still be pulverizing debuts from other female artists so I say she is doing just fine. ;) |
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2014 11:39:00 GMT -5
Reading is fundamental, my dear: Lol. You know you are doing something tight when you are expected to sell 250k in one day or it is a disappointment. Even if she doesn't sell 250k first day out, she will still be pulverizing debuts from other female artists so I say she is doing just fine. ;) Oh, I agree. All I'm saying is that I didn't think there was a chance she would fall short of the the We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together number this week. I assumed this was going to be a career-best week for her, even if the song she released ended up being terrible. Shake it Off is not terrible. But the first day number, while encouraging overall and indicative of a Hot 100 #1 in the making, hardly suggests beating WANEGBT's first week total is a lock. And no matter how you shake it, there is something mildly disappointing about that. The same would apply to the album - if it does 900K in its first week in this climate, it's obviously a massive success. But I don't know how you avoid comparing it to the 1.2M for Red. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 19, 2014 11:40:50 GMT -5
Reading is fundamental, my dear: Lol. You know you are doing something tight when you are expected to sell 250k in one day or it is a disappointment. Even if she doesn't sell 250k first day out, she will still be pulverizing debuts from other female artists so I say she is doing just fine. ;) Only because this is a Taylor Swift lead single, not because it's actually any good. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 19, 2014 11:51:08 GMT -5
Well - she certainly will get a boost Sunday - during day and night with VMA performance. I imagine sales will be strong this entire week. Smart to put pre-orders for 1989 on same day as single release - now people can "get" both
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2014 11:53:59 GMT -5
Lol. You know you are doing something tight when you are expected to sell 250k in one day or it is a disappointment. Even if she doesn't sell 250k first day out, she will still be pulverizing debuts from other female artists so I say she is doing just fine. ;) Oh, I agree. All I'm saying is that I didn't think there was a chance she would fall short of the the We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together number this week. I assumed this was going to be a career-best week for her, even if the song she released ended up being terrible. Shake it Off is not terrible. But the first day number, while encouraging overall and indicative of a Hot 100 #1 in the making, hardly suggests beating WANEGBT's first week total is a lock. And no matter how you shake it, there is something mildly disappointing about that. The same would apply to the album - if it does 900K in its first week in this climate, it's obviously a massive success. But I don't know how you avoid comparing it to the 1.2M for Red. Because people always blindly compare without taking into account the factors at play (like the declining digital market). There will always be a peak, for everyone. That doesn't mean the artist in question is somehow a disappointment when they don't live up to that peak. There IS a reason it's called a peak. It's not so much a disappointment as it is the inevitable. People need to understand and accept that everything can't remain sky high forever. |
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Post by Joe1240 on Aug 19, 2014 12:07:11 GMT -5
This predicted to now sell over 500k this week passing Ariana Grande's "Problem". It maybe less than last time but not a big decline. But #1 debut on the year not bad. Will it debut as high as "Problem" did althrough? That should be the only question. Another thing,Does it matter if the song is country or pop anymore. Taylor said she is going full pop this era. Taylor can no genre wrong at all.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 19, 2014 12:08:16 GMT -5
Well - she certainly will get a boost Sunday - during day and night with VMA performance. I imagine sales will be strong this entire week. Smart to put pre-orders for 1989 on same day as single release - now people can "get" both Still curious as to why the pre-order isn't charting in the iTunes album chart. There's not way that its selling less than Red is right now and its at 114. |
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Post by GivesYouHell on Aug 19, 2014 12:18:54 GMT -5
Ugh I'm Black myself but I'm getting tired as well of everyone always making a big deal over every little thing, it IS getting old, Taylor obviously didn't mean anything bad by it and some people really need to chill. Back on topic, it's nothing groundbreaking but I like this and i can see it being a big global hit. I really can't believe she's completely ditching country though, I don't think that's a wise move.
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Post by crystalphnx on Aug 19, 2014 12:20:11 GMT -5
Lol. You know you are doing something tight when you are expected to sell 250k in one day or it is a disappointment. Even if she doesn't sell 250k first day out, she will still be pulverizing debuts from other female artists so I say she is doing just fine. ;) Only because this is a Taylor Swift lead single, not because it's actually any good. I see this point made fairly often about various songs ("What's My Name?" would've flopped if Nicole Scherzinger had released it, "Suit And Tie" would've flopped if Usher had released it, etc.) and, IMO, it just seems like a really obvious truth that an artist's brand/image is a HUGE factor in pop/mainstream music (which surely applies to other genres as well). I feel like you can pick pretty much any hit song by any trendy artist, and if you assign it to a much less trendy artist, it almost definitely wouldn't have performed as well. of course, this doesn't mean that Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc. can make literally ANY song into a hit, but the fact that their brands are perceived very favorably right now obviously works in their favor and influences success more than song "quality". basically, the fact that the public's perception of an artist means much more than the "quality" of any individual song they release applies to pretty much every mainstream act. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 19, 2014 12:21:48 GMT -5
Ugh I'm Black myself but I'm getting tired as well of everyone always making a big deal over every little thing, it IS getting old, Taylor obviously didn't mean anything bad by it and some people really need to chill. Back on topic, it's nothing groundbreaking but I like this and i can see it being a big global hit. I really can't believe she's completely ditching country though, I don't think that's a wise move. While I think the conversation about appropriation. I didn't get that vibe here quite frankly and I don't even like the video. I don't think it's wise to ditch country either. i'm not sure what her record company is thinking. I liked that her sounds sounded like a blend of country and pop. I would've rather her keep her country in her songs and maybe go for the country hiphop sound. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Aug 19, 2014 12:22:03 GMT -5
I see this opening around 525k . Also I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor snuck in one country released single this era released in Early October or something . I don't think the album will open as big as red but it still has a good chance to open with over a million
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 19, 2014 12:23:48 GMT -5
I see this opening around 525k . Also I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor snuck in one country released single this era released in Early October or something . I don't think the album will open as big as red but it still has a good chance to open with over a million It won't. You can't brush off your core format and expect people to buy it. It sounds fake. Take a lesson from Usher. I'm not sure why Taylor is artificially killing off her career. This is a self induced mistake to cut out the country that we love in her songs. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 19, 2014 12:27:32 GMT -5
I see this opening around 525k . Also I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor snuck in one country released single this era released in Early October or something . I don't think the album will open as big as red but it still has a good chance to open with over a million It won't. You can't brush off your core format and expect people to buy it. It sounds fake. Take a lesson from Usher. I'm not sure why Taylor is artificially killing off her career. This is a self induced mistake to cut out the country that we love in her songs. She had the formula down pat. I don't blame her for wanting to try new sounds and explore a new genre but I think it was a mistake doing it so drastically on the first single. The single will do fine, pop radio will play it, sales will be fine for the single, streaming will be strong. But the sales aren't going to be there for the album. Pop album sales have sucked all year and without her country base that was already iffy after Red, I dont see how she moves nearly as many units. |
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Post by Carlitoz on Aug 19, 2014 12:30:23 GMT -5
Late last night I listened/watched this on my phone. The volume was not too high and I think my attention as drawn mainly to the video. I was very underwhelmed by the song. A few minutes ago I went to vevo on my computer and watched the video again this time with high volume. I have to say I LOVED both song and video. I can't help but smiling while watching it. It is FUN. I can see how some people may be reacting negatively to the song. It took me two listens to really like it.
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