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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 9:44:50 GMT -5
In terms of number of spins, it could break a record (?), as there are more stations on the BDS panel than there were in the 90s and thereafter- but, probably not in terms of debut position.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 22, 2014 9:51:42 GMT -5
I don't think this song is going to burnout any faster than any other fun, catchy pop hit does. This song is such a SMASH. The only thing holding this song back from being truly great is the cringe-worthy spoken bit and the half-assed bridge that goes nowhere. Otherwise, this song is undeniable. And this is coming from someone that has never been here for Taylor. I get why people don't like it musically, but this is the type of thing that makes these songs stand out. As I've said, "so he calls me up and he's like, uhhhh I still love you" is far lamer and more "cringeworthy" than this one, and that's the thing everyone remembers from WANEGBT. Plus, the fella over there with the hella good hair is an excellent rhyme. That's not what stands out on WANEGBT at all to me, I remember the hook and barely even remember that part. The same for this spoken bit. Songs live or die by the hook and this song's is incredibly memorable, it's what gets stuck in your head and years from now will probably be the only part people remember. There is no excuse for the spoken bit, the words "sick beat" never need to come out of ANYONE'S mouth. As for the bridge, my problem is it goes nowhere, if you're gonna put a rap bridge in, make it more than like two freaking lines. It all just comes off as space filler and doesn't add to the song. A lame afterthought in an otherwise impeccably written pop song.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Aug 22, 2014 9:54:59 GMT -5
A #15 debut. Crazy. Anyone have a list of the biggest debutes in pop radio history? And what is the last song that debuted so high? "Born This Way"? Yes, I believe so. It was #14, I think. Mariah, your record is safe! Seriously, though, if a song by this caliber of an artist with this large of increases doesn't beat Mimi's record, I doubt anything ever will.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 22, 2014 10:00:12 GMT -5
I get why people don't like it musically, but this is the type of thing that makes these songs stand out. As I've said, "so he calls me up and he's like, uhhhh I still love you" is far lamer and more "cringeworthy" than this one, and that's the thing everyone remembers from WANEGBT. Plus, the fella over there with the hella good hair is an excellent rhyme. That's not what stands out on WANEGBT at all to me, I remember the hook and barely even remember that part. The same for this spoken bit. Songs live or die by the hook and this song's is incredibly memorable, it's what gets stuck in your head and years from now will probably be the only part people remember. There is no excuse for the spoken bit, the words "sick beat" never need to come out of ANYONE'S mouth. As for the bridge, my problem is it goes nowhere, if you're gonna put a rap bridge in, make it more than like two freaking lines. It all just comes off as space filler and doesn't add to the song. I think you're misinterpreting what I mean by "memorable." Not saying the Taylor Swift song was successful because of the spoken word phone call part, but that certainly is something people will forever use to identify that song. Just like the way Ryan Tedder says "pologize" rather than "apologize" in OneRepublic's breakthrough hit. Or Kesha's "I like your beard" in "Your Love is My Drug." These aren't the things that made the song catchy, but they're things that make the songs different. The "sick beat" is meant to be deliberately corny, self-aware and sarcastic (Taylor freaking Swift talking about a "sick beat" - get it?). And the purpose of that whole section is to break the musical monotony and to inject some humor, personality and attitude to the mix. Regardless of what you think is the most memorable part of a Taylor Swift song, they have always stood out by virtue of her personality and unique character. This is playing into that. Without that part, this is basically just "Happy."
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 22, 2014 10:05:37 GMT -5
That's not what stands out on WANEGBT at all to me, I remember the hook and barely even remember that part. The same for this spoken bit. Songs live or die by the hook and this song's is incredibly memorable, it's what gets stuck in your head and years from now will probably be the only part people remember. There is no excuse for the spoken bit, the words "sick beat" never need to come out of ANYONE'S mouth. As for the bridge, my problem is it goes nowhere, if you're gonna put a rap bridge in, make it more than like two freaking lines. It all just comes off as space filler and doesn't add to the song. I think there's far more to what makes a song memorable than the "hook." In fact, it's often something The "sick beat" is meant to be deliberately corny, self-aware and sarcastic (Taylor freaking Swift talking about a "sick beat" - get it?). And the purpose of that whole section is to break the musical monotony and to inject some humor, personality and attitude to the mix. Regardless of what you think is the most memorable part of a Taylor Swift song, they have always stood out by virtue of her personality and unique character. This is playing into that. Without that part, this is basically just "Happy." That's my problem with it, she doesn't have the personality to pull that line off. Which just makes it come off as cringe-worthy. I'm not buying what she's selling. And like I said, I'm fine with the musical breakdown and a rap bridge on this, the point of a bridge is to breakup the monotony of a song, I agree. But she raps for like five seconds and the lyrics are stupid, like they just gave up on it. As for this song being basically "Happy." You mean a huge, multi-format, worldwide smash? This song would have been infinitely better if she dropped the spoken bit and fleshed out the bridge, period. And it would have been just as memorable if not more and would still smash just as hard.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 22, 2014 10:06:38 GMT -5
The record was Eminem but that was just Top 40. Mimi's record was also just Top 40. Taylor may have already beaten to overall Top 50 Monday- Sunday record.
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Post by Bluemargay on Aug 22, 2014 10:28:15 GMT -5
So it looks like the #1 debut is a given at this point.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 22, 2014 11:40:04 GMT -5
The only line which I think she can't really sell is the "won't you come on over baby we can shake" at the end of the bridge. There's a dryness to it which keeps it from being flirty or a believable come-on. Other than that, I actually think the bridge is the strongest part of the record.
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Post by Zeebz on Aug 22, 2014 11:42:12 GMT -5
After a few listens (and being stuck in my head since yesterday), this isn't all that bad. I think I enjoy it.
Also, those updates and the fact that this will have an enormous pop debut is crazy. :o
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 11:51:49 GMT -5
The highest entries on Mainstream Top 40 since the chart's beginning (fall 1992) apparently are:
No. 12: Mariah Carey, "Dreamlover" No. 14: Lady Gaga,"Born This Way"; Justin Timberlake featuring Jay-Z - "Suit & Tie" No. 16: Madonna, "Frozen"; Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me" No. 18: Taylor Swift, "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"; Maroon 5, "Maps" No. 19: Lady Gaga, "Applause"; Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj, "Bang Bang" No. 20: Katy Perry, "Unconditionally"
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 22, 2014 11:53:09 GMT -5
Those are for Billboard's Top 40 chart not Mediabase/R&R which is the one I assume most of us care about
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 11:55:50 GMT -5
Since that's the one reported on most in articles, I would think some do care about it?
Mediabase only started in 1998- and if all you care about is that, then "Dreamlover" wouldn't hold the record, as it debuted at 38 Radio & Records and jumped to 15 the following week. Some of the post-1998 ones would be similar to Billboard/BDS, though.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 22, 2014 12:09:25 GMT -5
It's definitely growing on me and sound better on radio. I believe they went with most blatant "pop" sounding track in order to erase any doubts that "1989" was a pop and not country album. (I'm certain the second single will be issued just prior to album release.) I know people have been comparing SIO potential sales to WANEGBT - but I wonder how much of "Country" base contributed to that sum? With the full-on shift to "lighter" pop, I'm certain a big portion her Country fans didn't bite. I'm still convinced that "1989" went for pre-sale immediately, unlike "Red," in order for them to gauge how much the loss of Country base may cost them. If the returns are significantly below expectations, I imagine a country mix for album or something.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 12:26:43 GMT -5
Yeah- it would be the reverse of past releases- original version on pop, "remix" for country radio.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Aug 22, 2014 12:28:00 GMT -5
From Digital Spy/ BuzzJack Music Forum: 1 David Guetta feat. Sam Martin - Lovers On The Sun (54.9k) * 2 Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong (32.4k) 3 MAGIC! - Rude (32.2k) 4 Taylor Swift - Shake It Off (25.7k) * 5 Wankelmut and Emma Louise - My Head Is A Jungle (24.8k) * This is the Friday (and last) update in the UK and it's currently at #4 behind "Lovers on the Sun", "Am I Wrong" and "Rude". Looks like it will debut at that spot if it's considered that it's not on any streaming devices.
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Post by Flip on Aug 22, 2014 13:00:47 GMT -5
As long as she debuts in the top 5, I'm happy <3
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Post by Soldado de Juguete on Aug 22, 2014 13:14:47 GMT -5
Looooooove this song!!! It makes me feel happy everytime I listen to it
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Post by Spidey on Aug 22, 2014 13:21:47 GMT -5
POP:-- 16 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 5294 0 5294 37.203 +1191 Spins +1191 Bullet +7.370 Audience Absolutely massive update.
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Post by dzjx on Aug 22, 2014 13:25:58 GMT -5
The highest entries on Mainstream Top 40 since the chart's beginning (fall 1992) apparently are: No. 12: Mariah Carey, "Dreamlover" No. 14: Lady Gaga,"Born This Way"; Justin Timberlake featuring Jay-Z - "Suit & Tie" No. 16: Madonna, "Frozen"; Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me" No. 18: Taylor Swift, "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"; Maroon 5, "Maps" No. 19: Lady Gaga, "Applause"; Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj, "Bang Bang" No. 20: Katy Perry, "Unconditionally" Applause did better than Roar on radio on their debut weeks?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 22, 2014 13:28:25 GMT -5
I don't really like the spoken bridge, but I do think it works for the song. It is memorable and the change in pace makes for a really nice transition into the last explosive chorus. All in all, I think this will be huge. Perhaps not the longest lasting song ever with the most longevity, but a huge hit that will set up the cd nicely.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 13:43:04 GMT -5
dzj- looks like "Roar" entered at No. 34 at Mainstream Top 40 and jumped to 15 the next week.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 22, 2014 13:54:18 GMT -5
The highest entries on Mainstream Top 40 since the chart's beginning (fall 1992) apparently are: No. 12: Mariah Carey, "Dreamlover" No. 14: Lady Gaga,"Born This Way"; Justin Timberlake featuring Jay-Z - "Suit & Tie" No. 16: Madonna, "Frozen"; Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me" No. 18: Taylor Swift, "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"; Maroon 5, "Maps" No. 19: Lady Gaga, "Applause"; Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj, "Bang Bang" No. 20: Katy Perry, "Unconditionally" Applause did better than Roar on radio on their debut weeks? Roar probably entered the week before in a lower position. I don't remember Applause never being ahead Roar
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 22, 2014 14:13:03 GMT -5
^Hence my post above. ;)
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Post by kanimal on Aug 22, 2014 14:58:02 GMT -5
Billboard says 475K or more and basically promises a #1 debut on the Hot 100*.
*They don't actually promise it, but they wouldn't put an article like that on the main page if they weren't about 99.9% sure it was going to start at #1.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 22, 2014 15:08:17 GMT -5
Woop woop
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 22, 2014 15:08:44 GMT -5
Did anybody doubt they would make sure she got a #1 debut? Since they don't divulge the point formula and it changes week to week, they can do whatever they want to ensure she gets her #1 debut and they can sell copies and drive clicks.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 22, 2014 15:18:57 GMT -5
Did anybody doubt they would make sure she got a #1 debut? Since they don't divulge the point formula and it changes week to week, they can do whatever they want to ensure she gets her #1 debut and they can sell copies and drive clicks. Oh please. Lol It's always cries of "manipulation" when things don't go in the direction some would prefer. If this debuts at #1, it earned the placement. Massive sales, streaming, and airplay. End of.
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Post by kanimal on Aug 22, 2014 15:21:15 GMT -5
Did anybody doubt they would make sure she got a #1 debut? Since they don't divulge the point formula and it changes week to week, they can do whatever they want to ensure she gets her #1 debut and they can sell copies and drive clicks. If Taylor Swift debuting at #1 was such a foregone conclusion (don't get me wrong, I agree with you on that point), wouldn't "Nicki Minaj comes out of nowhere to steal #1" be the bigger news story? Or "Virtually unknown artist Meghan Trainor holds off Taylor Swift's hot new song?" They wouldn't manipulate the chart to create the most predictable outcome possible. If this song starts at #1, it earned it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 15:44:22 GMT -5
Did anybody doubt they would make sure she got a #1 debut? Since they don't divulge the point formula and it changes week to week, they can do whatever they want to ensure she gets her #1 debut and they can sell copies and drive clicks. Oh please. Lol It's always cries of "manipulation" when things don't go in the direction some would prefer. If this debuts at #1, it earned the placement. Massive sales, streaming, and airplay. End of. Big Machine has a LONG history of manipulating songs, though. It's no secret some of their huge pushes for #1 are fabricated. To clarify, I don't believe this happened with Taylor, and there's nothing to suggest she didn't earn those numbers, but her label IS openly manipulative quite often, so I see why it was brought up.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 22, 2014 15:55:57 GMT -5
Oh please. Lol It's always cries of "manipulation" when things don't go in the direction some would prefer. If this debuts at #1, it earned the placement. Massive sales, streaming, and airplay. End of. Big Machine has a LONG history of manipulating songs, though. It's no secret some of their huge pushes for #1 are fabricated. To clarify, I don't believe this happened with Taylor, and there's nothing to suggest she didn't earn those numbers, but her label IS openly manipulative quite often, so I see why it was brought up. Oh please ×2. Big Machine isn't manipulating digital sales or streaming and until you can bring evidence to support that theory, have a seat. You are basing your manipulation theories on "questionable" jumps in her country radio history (which plays no part here). The pop format (radio- being perhaps the most susceptible aspect of the Hot 100 formula to fall victim to manipulation) has much less evidence of direct manipulation than country.
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