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Post by carriekins on Nov 2, 2014 10:44:39 GMT -5
Has any one heard this on their local radio? I know I haven't at all. Shoot for a moment I even forgot it was the current single! The Highway is playing it regularly. About half the Mediabase panel has added it. But with DOAP still in the top 10 for recurrents, this one is moving up just slightly faster than molasses in December. I am not impressed with radio's treatment of this song at the moment (even though its sales are outpacing its airplay), and I'm pretty sure he'll be asked to perform DOAP on the CMAs instead of this. Insert eye roll here.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Nov 4, 2014 0:56:05 GMT -5
I really do love this song and it is so perfect for fall weather. I'm seeing a trend, "Say You Do", "What We Ain't Got", "Mean To Me" are all slower songs and they are doing pretty good. Country radio is hopefully changing for the better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 1:22:44 GMT -5
I really do love this song and it is so perfect for fall weather. I'm seeing a trend, "Say You Do", "What We Ain't Got", "Mean To Me" are all slower songs and they are doing pretty good. Country radio is hopefully changing for the better. I'd hardly say the former two songs you mentioned are doing particularly well on the charts. Jake Owen's last single made the top 10 in 17 weeks. "What We Ain't Got" has taken 15 weeks just to make the front page. Dierks' "Say You Do" isn't struggling yet and I still expect him to go top 10, but the record has been out since October 6 and it's only got 4 million audience impressions...hardly amazing for an artist who has a consistent record of hit singles, multiple CMA nominations, and two #1 singles this year, including one of the biggest hits of the year. I'd almost call "Mean to Me" a phony chart run since Brett Eldredge performed the song on Big Brother, exposing the single to 7 million television viewers and giving it a massive iTunes boost, which of course led to more radio interest. Anyway, the point is I don't think the examples you used are doing particularly well all things considered and even if these artists are able to get these singles up the chart, I don't think this really says all that much about the climate of country radio. I still think there's a bias towards music with tempo and it seems only a select few artists whose songs are almost always hits can get slower songs played (Luke Bryan, Florida Georgia Line, and Carrie Underwood to name a few examples).
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Post by hosssulpizio on Nov 4, 2014 1:47:49 GMT -5
I guess so. I just hope 2015 will be a much better year for Country music.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 13, 2014 23:35:30 GMT -5
Six weeks into its Billboard chart run, "Say You Do" sits at #36 Billboard (before the new Luke Bryan and Jason Aldean singles pass) and is a borderline top-40 song at Mediabase. It hasn't quite made the charge that I had expected and hoped it would. Too early to panic, for sure, but as @daydrinker noted, we're talking about someone who has had a bit of a breakthrough year, scoring two #1 hits including one of the year's biggest, figuring prominently in this year's CMA nominations, and generally taking a few steps forward in the public consciousness.
I can't help but feel like "Say You Do" should have been able to eat up a bit more chart in front of it and sit around #30 Billboard and perhaps mid-30s at Mediabase right now. Certainly "Drunk on a Plane" was always going to be a strong recurrent, and I never seem to account properly for stuff like that. But still, "Say You Do" struck me as a pretty obvious hit...contemporary and pop bent country's way by Dierks' vocal, building intimacy into intensity as Shane McAnally does so well, and just an easy, catchy sell at radio. I still think this will play well in the winter months, but I would love to see signs of Dierks' momentum accelerating at radio post-"Drunk on a Plane" as it has been outside of it.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 14, 2014 0:43:04 GMT -5
I share the same sentiment as 43dudleyvillas. I was hoping for a much better start for this song so far, especially after the purging of the charts began a few weeks ago. I didn't think this song was going to be too risky, as it was considerably less depressing as Bourbon in Kentucky (fantastic song), was a mid-tempo that was not too slow, and Dierks is riding a massive wave of momentum, or at least so it seemed. I'm closely watching the chart runs of this song, "A Guy Walks Into A Bar", "What We Ain't Got", and "Like A Cowboy", as all of these songs buck recent male country song trends, and are actually attempting to have SINGLES that have a significant amount of substance in them. I fear that if these songs were to strike out and whiff, we will be getting "5-1-5-0", "Whiskey In My Water", "Beachin'", and "Runnin' Outta Moonlight" sequels. And while I love all those songs I just mentioned, I don't want to see these artists get pidegenholed into releasing only up-tempo party type songs, and would rather they all feel the ability to work on more creative and innovative songs knowing they have a chance to succeed at radio.
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Post by tim on Nov 14, 2014 1:00:21 GMT -5
This just seems like such a safe choice to throw at radio...but I really was hoping for the title track to get released. I think they missed an opening to release it, especially after the success of DOAP. I know that song brought him lots of success this year, but I would've gone to the CMA's with "Riser" and show the rest of the country audience what Dierk's music is all about versus performing the same song we've all heard 1000X already. This'll probably take a slow climb up the charts and peak sometime in...March or mid April? So much for "Riser" getting released at that point.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 14, 2014 8:01:15 GMT -5
I still maintain that Riser will close the era, and he didn't have a choice as to what he performed on the CMAs. He did what the producers told him to do.
I have literally nothing nice to say about this song and radio right now, so it's best I leave it at that.
(I don't think Riser would be faring any better at radio, for what it's worth.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:02:43 GMT -5
I remember thinking that Drunk on a Plane started pretty slowly too. I was listening to that song on my own, wondering why I never heard it on the radio.
For reference, after 6 chart weeks, Drunk on a Plane was #32 with 6.131 audience. Say You Do is #36 with 4.184 audience. I like this song too and I wish it the best, but it is definitely not time to panic. I'll give it three more weeks to jump to the top 30 and then maybe start to feel some concern.
All things considered (fourth single, high recurrents for Drunk on a Plane, coming off two consecutive #1s, the style of this song) I think it's in an okay position going into the winter months.
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Post by someguy on Nov 23, 2014 1:37:11 GMT -5
I think it's doing OK too. I would like to see it a bit higher, but given everything said so far (fourth single, big recurrent play for DOAP, heading into the holidays, lots of competition from new A list singles), I think "Say You Do" is in an OK position. If it's still outside the top 30 in another 2-3 weeks, I'll probably have a slightly different opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 3:39:15 GMT -5
This one saw a nice jolt last week, climbing 4 spots to #29 with a gain of 841k. I'm hopeful that it can pass Kristian Bush soon, and it'd be nice to see this one re-pass Cole Swindell as well (Cole will be tougher to pass than Kristian, though). Scotty McCreery and Big & Rich will go recurrent on Monday's Billboard, and Dan + Shay needs to re-bullet or they'll be gone as well (and right now they're teetering on the edge of a cliff), so that will help Dierks to move up some more as well.
I hadn't seen this posted anywhere else, but does anyone know why the song "Riser" was #1 on Billboard's New & Active on Monday? It had 0.544 million in total audience, not too far behind the #60 song, Katie Armiger's "One Night Between Friends", which had 0.569 mil. I'm definitely not complaining that some people (multiple people?) out there were playing "Riser", but I'm just wondering if it was from some syndicated show or a television performance or something like that. I've been a bit MIA the last week or so when it comes to keeping track of things, mostly because finals week kept me busy and then after that it was traveling halfway across the country so I could be back home for winter break...I'm still not all caught up yet :)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 12:08:56 GMT -5
My guess would be that "Riser" received a few spins from various stations or a spin on a syndicated program since the song is the title track to his album that just received a Grammy nomination, but I can't figure out how to view "Leaders" on All Access for a song that isn't either "Taking Off" or charting in the Mediabase top 50 so I can't tell who's been spinning the record. No adds from the Mediabase panel have been reported lately, however.
"Say You Do" had another nice week, picking up seven new stations on the Mediabase panel and moving into the top 30. I think stations that had been giving "Drunk on a Plane" a lot of recurrent airplay and were skeptical to play a slower song are finally ready to move on to Dierks' new release and the year-end "thank-you" ad Capitol Nashville put out for Dierks this week may have helped.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 14, 2014 13:21:50 GMT -5
My guess would be that "Riser" received a few spins from various stations or a spin on a syndicated program since the song is the title track to his album that just received a Grammy nomination, but I can't figure out how to view "Leaders" on All Access for a song that isn't either "Taking Off" or charting in the Mediabase top 50 so I can't tell who's been spinning the record. No adds from the Mediabase panel have been reported lately, however. Here is the Starters link for "Riser" (All Access login required): Dierks Bentley - "Riser" - StartersThe link shows five spins from WTQR Greensboro, four spins from WPOC Baltimore, and four spins from KNCI Sacramento. WTQR and WPOC are both Clear Channel, while KNCI is CBS...is it likely that they would share a syndicated program? I wonder if these are test spins as Capitol Nashville considers whether to release "Riser" at some point. I hope that can be done without cutting "Say You Do"'s run short. Here is the Leaders link for "Riser" (again, All Access login required): Dierks Bentley - "Riser" - Leaders. But there are currently no leaders for the song.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 13:51:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the information, 43dudleyvillas! I don't quite understand how to find the Starters and Leaders for a song that isn't charting, and if anyone had a quick explanation of how to do this I would be very grateful. I did look into those three stations and they don't appear to have any common hosts that aren't on many other stations, so 43donkeyvillas' suggestion about Capitol trying to test "Riser" seems very wise. A few stations could also be spinning the song simply because of Dierks' Grammy nomination. I don't expect "Riser" to do much more than possibly debuting at the bottom of the chart since it's the end of the year and there's not a lot of new material being released to fill those bottom few spaces in the top 60, and with how well "Say You Do" is now climbing the charts I feel it's pretty safe from being pulled in favor of "Riser."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 14:07:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the information, 43dudleyvillas! I don't quite understand how to find the Starters and Leaders for a song that isn't charting, and if anyone had a quick explanation of how to do this I would be very grateful. It's pretty simple. Here's the link for the starters for "Riser": www.allaccess.com/mediabase/q/report/starters/song/BENTR3++/format/C1If I wanted to look up the starters for, say, Steven Lee Olsten's debut single, all you take out is the uppercase part up above. BENT gets replaced with OLSE (it's always the first 4 letters of the artist's last name. Groups are a bit tricker; Rascal Flatts, for example, is RASC, Zac Brown Band is BROW, Little Big Town is LITT, Lady Antebellum is LADY, etc). Then R3++ gets replaced with RBAG, which stands for "Raised By A Good Time". So it's the first 4 letters of the artist's last name, followed by the acronym of the song title (but it's never more than the first 4 words in a title). Other examples: "Somewhere In My Car" = SIMC. "Girl In A Country Song" = GIAC. "I See You" = ISY+. If the song title is shorter than 4 words, then the final spots can be left blank or replaced with + symbols. One word titles are harder to figure out, especially if the first 4 letters of the artist's last name are fairly common when it comes to last names. If you're expecting to get "Riser" when you put in just BENTR+++, you get the song "Railroad" from Dustin Bentall Outfit (whoever that is). So then you just have to start with replacing the first + with the number 1 and keep going up until you find the right song. "Riot" from Rascal Flatts, for example, is RASCR2++, because RASCR+++ is their song "Revolution" and RASCR1++ is "Rewind". Finally, if you want to switch between "leaders" and "starters", simply swap those words for each other in the URL bar. All in all it's pretty simple, though. Hopefully that helped! If you need further clarification you can always PM me :)
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Post by dgarcia3377 on Dec 15, 2014 13:23:08 GMT -5
I LOVE this song. I will be playing this song for a while now. I even like it better than Drunk On A Plane.
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Post by carriekins on Dec 15, 2014 13:58:09 GMT -5
jhomes87, the only thing I can find re: Riser is that Dierks performed it live on the Bobby Bones Show last week. I'm not sure if that performance, coupled with the spins it received at those three stations, are signs that Capitol is testing the waters, so to speak, for Riser as a follow up to Say You Do, but it's certainly possible. I'm just happy (and relieved, honestly) that this is finally starting to move. I hope it continues to speed up a bit after the 'freeze.' Dierks is taking the next 3 months 'off' the touring circuit to start working on his next album (writing and sourcing songs) so I would suspect they'll be looking at releasing one more single from Riser before moving on to the next era, and I won't be surprised if Dierks pushes for Riser to be that single.
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Post by dm2081 on Jan 25, 2015 23:44:31 GMT -5
I know I have see many say that Dierks really wants to close the album era with "Riser" as the fifth single, but with "Say You Do" looking like a 30+ week single, and having a much slower rise up the charts than "Drunk On A Plane" (though obviously to be expected, as DOAP was his career song most likely), I just feel that "Riser" would be too slow of a single to continue his momentum at that point. "Say You Do" hasn't been a smash seller either. It hasn't been awful, but not sure if because of the mentioned reasons they might go with a safer choice as the next single. I'm not trying to jump the gun too soon, as this song still has quite a few weeks left on the charts before a 5th single could be announced (or perhaps a slight chance they move on to the next album, though I doubt it), but I can't help but wonder what they'll decide to throw out next. I know i've stated this before, but "Sounds of Summer" would get my vote, with "Five" being the next choice (Considering radio friendliness and likelihood of climbing the charts. Otherwise I would kill to see "Here On Earth" get released.)
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 26, 2015 0:10:10 GMT -5
Otherwise I would kill to see "Here On Earth" get released.) Absolutely. That's actually my favorite song on the album (which is about as big a compliment as one can give). But it won't be a single.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 0:47:12 GMT -5
Riser is such an incredible album. Both "Five" and "Sounds Of Summer" would be amazing singles; however, they absolutely need to release "Riser" or "Here On Earth" (in a perfect world, both of them would have been #1 smash hits). Both songs are so powerful. I can't decide which one is my favorite...it might be 51-49 in favor of "Here On Earth" but if they can only have one more single, I want it to be "Riser". It just makes sense, not only because it's the title track but also because it would be the perfect way to close out the album.
I think "Say You Do" will go at least Top 10, but I'm not sure if I see it going all the way to #1 or reaching the Gold threshold. I'm hoping it starts to build more steam now that it's entering the top 20 (it'll be top 20 easily on tomorrow's Billboard). It definitely looks like it'll spend 25-30 weeks or more on the chart though, but that won't bother me so long as we get at least one more single from this amazing album.
"Drunk On A Plane" definitely became a career hit for Dierks but I'd still put it 2nd behind the modern day classic "What Was I Thinkin'". I still hear that one on the radio a lot and it sounds just as good now as it did back in 2003. And, to be fair, I think "I Hold On" is pretty much right up there as well, as both it and DOAP went Platinum (and are the only 2 Dierks singles to have done so).
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Post by dm2081 on Jan 26, 2015 0:55:08 GMT -5
Riser is such an incredible album. Both "Five" and "Sounds Of Summer" would be amazing singles; however, they absolutely need to release "Riser" or "Here On Earth" (in a perfect world, both of them would have been #1 smash hits). Both songs are so powerful. I can't decide which one is my favorite...it might be 51-49 in favor of "Here On Earth" but if they can only have one more single, I want it to be "Riser". It just makes sense, not only because it's the title track but also because it would be the perfect way to close out the album. In your opinion, how far do you think Riser would make it up the charts? The mature theme of the song scares me, and I'd be too worried it would have a similar fate as "Bourbon in Kentucky" (not being pulled or stalling in the 40s, but I could definitely see it stalling in the 20s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 1:10:34 GMT -5
Riser is such an incredible album. Both "Five" and "Sounds Of Summer" would be amazing singles; however, they absolutely need to release "Riser" or "Here On Earth" (in a perfect world, both of them would have been #1 smash hits). Both songs are so powerful. I can't decide which one is my favorite...it might be 51-49 in favor of "Here On Earth" but if they can only have one more single, I want it to be "Riser". It just makes sense, not only because it's the title track but also because it would be the perfect way to close out the album. In your opinion, how far do you think Riser would make it up the charts? The mature theme of the song scares me, and I'd be too worried it would have a similar fate as "Bourbon in Kentucky" (not being pulled or stalling in the 40s, but I could definitely see it stalling in the 20s. Yeah, I really don't know. A song like "Riser" or "Here On Earth" as a single would definitely be risky, mostly due to the state of country radio (which doesn't like to take a lot of risks when it comes to programming), but Capitol Nashville really should try with one of those songs. They're just too good to not be heard. I have a friend who lives in Chicago and he's a pretty big country music fan but he doesn't follow the charts or buy a lot of music. He'll basically just listen to the radio from time to time or get suggestions from friends (mostly me, lol) but back in high school I remember him being a huge fan of Dierks. I wasn't sure if he'd heard Riser or not so I posted the title track on his Facebook page the other day and he immediately went out and bought the whole album ("Riser" is his 2nd favorite song, trailing only "Here On Earth"). I think that, if a song like "Riser" does get released, how well it does will really depend on where "Say You Do" peaks and how much 'hype' Capitol Nashville can create for "Riser" (I'm not saying that the song needs hype, as it should stand on its own based on pure quality and merit. Nonetheless, part of a label's job is to "sell" the song to radio). It would really be something (and be a big help) if Riser could win the Grammy for Best Country Album, but it's up against stiff competition: Eric's The Outsiders, Miranda's Platinum, Lee Ann Womack's The Way I'm Livin', and Brandy Clark's 12 Stories. I'm thinking that either LAW or Brandy will take it, but even if Dierks doesn't win, I'm hoping that more people will buy his album solely for the fact that it was nominated. And all of that can only help "Say You Do" and whatever is released as its follow-up.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 26, 2015 11:58:48 GMT -5
Honestly, Capitol may need to go 5 singles deep for "Riser" to have a shot as a single. I do know DIERKS wants it as a single but I definitely see the label wanting "Five" or "Sounds Of Summer" being released to follow-up "Say You Do." I don't see how "Riser" gets released following up the mid-tempo ballad as radio will see it as two ballads in a row. That being said, "Here On Earth" has a bigger chance cause it has more of that uptempo feel to it (both "Here On Earth" and "Riser" do have a sort of U2-like vibe to the instrumentation).
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Post by gonecountry on Jan 26, 2015 16:45:31 GMT -5
My gut says this is the last single off Riser. Other than Long Trip Alone, which had 4 singles though 1 of them (Trying To Stop Your Leaving) was the 4th and also tied to the Greatest Hits CD. Home CD also had 4 singles, though Tip It On Back came out around the same time as the little heard Country and Cold Cans EP.
Riser has technically had 4 singles already, though I would make the case that Bourbon in Kentucky was regretedly, and criminally, such a non-event that I personally believe it should be viewed as being from its own era (the "nadir in Dierks career").
Personally, I don't see another single coming from Riser given the slow rise of Say You Do and the expected final chart postion (I'm thinking something like Tip It On Back, perhaps)
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Post by carriekins on Jan 26, 2015 16:55:55 GMT -5
I actually agree with Matt here. I think they'll send out Sounds of Summer, which I expect will do very well for Dierks, after SYD peaks, and then close with Riser.
Dierks is really just now starting to work on the follow-up to Riser, and I wouldn't expect a release date until q4 at the earliest this year, but early 2016 sounds right to me.
But I do see SoS getting released. Even if Riser DOESN'T follow that, I expect it'll perform well enough that, coupled with the tour, he'll have steonf momentum going into his next album.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:00:39 GMT -5
Although this one had a bit of a slower start that I expected, I do think they will go with another single from the album. I'm guessing it's best for everyone just to ignore that Bourbon in Kentucky ever happened and essentially this is the 3rd single.
I personally like Sounds of Summer better than Riser, and I think that will do better. (Pretty Girls is my next favorite after the current singles, but I don't think that would do as well at radio). It also helps that his tour is called Sounds of Summer.
Unfortunately, if this one doesn't pick up some speed soon, Sounds of Summer will look more like Sounds of Late Fall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:04:29 GMT -5
I actually agree with Matt here. I think they'll send out Sounds of Summer, which I expect will do very well for Dierks, after SYD peaks, and then close with Riser. Dierks is really just now starting to work on the follow-up to Riser, and I wouldn't expect a release date until q4 at the earliest this year, but early 2016 sounds right to me. But I do see SoS getting released. Even if Riser DOESN'T follow that, I expect it'll perform well enough that, coupled with the tour, he'll have steonf momentum going into his next album. Well, I hope this doesn't happen. I love "Sounds Of Summer" and I think it would be a big hit, but I just don't see how they fit 2 more singles in if he's already working on the next album a little bit. And I want either "Riser" or "Here On Earth" if there's only gonna be one more single. "Say You Do" probably won't peak until April. If he were to finish an album and have it ready for a release in Q4, then SYD would probably be the last single from Riser. If we assume SYD doesn't peak until April, and if we assume there would still be 2 more singles after that, that would probably take us all the way into spring 2016 (I'm estimating roughly 25 weeks per single, but that's probably too brisk of a clip for 5th and 6th singles). I just don't see how they have room to do all that, especially if Dierks wants to move on to a new album for release either late this year or early 2016. I've been somewhat worried that SYD would be the last single they push, but if there is one more I don't want it to be "Sounds Of Summer", as much as I love that one.
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Post by gonecountry on Jan 26, 2015 17:18:36 GMT -5
I hope you are correct that the fabulous Riser era doesn't end just yet. That said, my vote for the next (and perhaps final) single would ideally be Riser Here on Earth, I meant to say. The odds of that being incredibly low, I'd love to see Dierks go with Back Porch. But not the version of Back Porch that is on Riser, the better (IMO) version that is on the Country and Cold Cans EP.
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Post by dm2081 on Jan 26, 2015 19:38:32 GMT -5
Sounds of Summer is built and ready to be a summer smash single, and that would give Dierks 2 summers in a row with one of the biggest songs, a pretty hard feat to achieve these days. I just don't see how that one wouldn't go top 5 with ease, and if Say You Do did peak in April, that would most likely mean an adds date in early May for Sounds of Summer, allowing it to peak sometime around Labor Day (I think it would chart quicker due to it's theme and content). That would be perfect timing.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jan 26, 2015 21:51:16 GMT -5
On BB, this reached the top 20. I want this to be another #1 for him. Noticed that it has slowed down again though. I still have hope for this song to do well.
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