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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Mar 25, 2015 12:26:57 GMT -5
I truly think Cheyenne Kimball was the weak link in the original lineup. I loved "Wild at Heart", but it seems like all their singles since Kimball's departure have been a lot more mature. Having Rachel do the female vocals probably helps too, as she doesn't have that high-pitched, too-sharp, early-Miley Cyrus-esque delivery that Kimball did.
Also, a Gloriana song has to have the S-word censored out of it. Whoda thunk it.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 15, 2015 21:54:43 GMT -5
Geez, I have no idea why radio has been so fascinated by this song. This week so far has actually been pretty kind to "Trouble" as it's up 660k in audience and 58 spins since Sunday, but over the past 40 days (5 weeks, plus so far this week), "Trouble" has accumulated just under 3.0 million in audience and 494 spins. Nothing too bad but certainly not great and it's been passed by numerous songs over the weeks. For the longest time it wasn't even in the top 1400 of the all-genre iTunes chart, but it as recently cracked the top 1200 and it currently sits at #1274. It's sales and feedback have been mediocre at best (to be honest, damn near awful in terms of sales), so I just can't figure out why this song has been able to crack the top 30 after 26 weeks charting? It's most likely due to the great job by their label Warner Music, as they've definitely given this group every resource possible to succeed. I think this one won't make the top 20 though and their album release is nowhere in sight, so I'm wondering just what exactly the future holds for them - regarding radio prospects. "(Kissed You) Good Night" was an aberration, because every song since then (and even the couple before that song) haven't sold too well and of course haven't even come close to matching that single's success.
I bring this up because I've had WYRK on way more than usual since my Sirius/XM unit hasn't been installed inside my rental car or new car over the past two weeks, and I seriously hear this song all the time. They play it between 25-30 times a week, which is a lot for a song that's just inside the top 30. This station is owned by Townsquare Media, so they never go over 40 spins per week for any song (thank God), so 30 spins for "Trouble" is a lot. I'm just so freakin' tired of it right now and I know the end isn't that far away. WYRK still plays "Can't Shake You" every now and then as well, so they're a big Gloriana station I guess, lol.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 16, 2015 18:15:21 GMT -5
I've been wondering this one's fate myself. It's showing no signs of dying but no signs of life either it's just sitting there doing nothing...I like the group they're nothing special really but they're good, but it seems like they can't get anything past this range on the charts. I doubt they have much longer as a major label artist honestly.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 16, 2015 18:30:56 GMT -5
I've been wondering this one's fate myself. It's showing no signs of dying but no signs of life either it's just sitting there doing nothing...I like the group they're nothing special really but they're good, but it seems like they can't get anything past this range on the charts. I doubt they have much longer as a major label artist honestly. I have my doubts about them lasting on a their current label home as well. John Esposito is a big fan of them though and he's a major reason why they've stuck so long being affiliated with Warner. That and the fact "(Kissed You) Good Night" was a huge #2 single. That song probably extended their major label career by 3-4 years alone.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 16, 2015 18:39:14 GMT -5
I've been wondering this one's fate myself. It's showing no signs of dying but no signs of life either it's just sitting there doing nothing...I like the group they're nothing special really but they're good, but it seems like they can't get anything past this range on the charts. I doubt they have much longer as a major label artist honestly. I have my doubts about them lasting on a their current label home as well. John Esposito is a big fan of them though and he's a major reason why they've stuck so long being affiliated with Warner. That and the fact "(Kissed You) Good Night" was a huge #2 single. That song probably extended their major label career by 3-4 years alone. Oh yes there's no denying they've got strong support at Warner Bros. but even that eventually runs out when an artists expenses become an inconvenience. I remember how much support some artist used to get then they stopped having hits and they got less. Or look at James Wesley & Broken Bow. That relationship had tons of support but even all the love couldn't save that one. James just wasn't meant to be a star. :( My best guess with Gloriana is this won't make the top 20, it'll die soon and they'll release at least one more single with Warner Bros. and their future with WB will depend on that single's success. If and when they get dropped I don't see them signing with another Major.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 16, 2015 18:51:11 GMT -5
I have my doubts about them lasting on a their current label home as well. John Esposito is a big fan of them though and he's a major reason why they've stuck so long being affiliated with Warner. That and the fact "(Kissed You) Good Night" was a huge #2 single. That song probably extended their major label career by 3-4 years alone. Oh yes there's no denying they've got strong support at Warner Bros. but even that eventually runs out when an artists expenses become an inconvenience. I remember how much support some artist used to get then they stopped having hits and they got less. Or look at James Wesley & Broken Bow. That relationship had tons of support but even all the love couldn't save that one. James just wasn't meant to be a star. :( My best guess with Gloriana is this won't make the top 20, it'll die soon and they'll release at least one more single with Warner Bros. and their future with WB will depend on that single's success. If and when they get dropped I don't see them signing with another Major. I agree about the fact this won't make the top 20 and I'm leaning towards them getting at least one more single too, but you never know - this might be it, especially considering how poorly "Trouble" has sold. It's technically not done yet, lol, so we need to see how the rest of it's chart run plays out. I can't say for sure if they'll get another major label deal if they eventually get dropped, but I wouldn't even come close to predicting that myself. Some label might take a flyer on them if they find the right match but that would be pretty hard knowing that their sample size of inconsistency is pretty large (about 5-6 years) with only one big hit at radio and seller. If I was a CEO of a major or strong indie label, I probably wouldn't bother, but who knows. If you asked me if Trace Adkins would get another record deal a month ago I would have said now way but alas, he signed with Broken Bow. I do want them to succeed personally and I've enjoyed most of their music but they're really not moving the needle whatsoever.
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Post by layne on Apr 16, 2015 19:20:14 GMT -5
I never thought this was a good choice after Best Night Ever stalled. They had a song called Are You Ready that they played a portion of to open each live show with that sounded like a smash. Hard to really tell since they never played the entire song but it left me wanting to hear more. I really don't know why this group hasn't caught on. They debuted with Wild at Heart which I thought was a decent song and then had Kissed You Goodnight which was a huge hit. Just seems like they followed up their two best hits with duds and never could get any momentum.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 17, 2015 1:10:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this has been able to hang in there the way it has, but I love it so I'm glad radio has taken a shine to it even if the consumers haven't. I'm really surprised that sales are so, so low for this though. I mean, I think it's a great song. This might be my favorite Gloriana single to date, though I loved all three of their Top 20 hits. They've put out some great music across their last two albums and even though they're far from being among my favorites, I'd be sad to see them disappear. I'd really like to see their third album get released, because both singles from it thus far I've enjoyed, but idk if/when that's going to happen. It's a shame they haven't caught on more. They need another "(Kissed You) Good Night" surprise smash.
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Post by dajire4 on Apr 17, 2015 2:12:37 GMT -5
I see them going the way of Love and Theft
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Post by Dustin J. on Apr 17, 2015 11:30:32 GMT -5
I honestly thought "Best Night Ever" was a superb single...really surprised radio didn't bite on it.
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Post by backinstereo on Apr 21, 2015 9:24:20 GMT -5
My best guess with Gloriana is this won't make the top 20, it'll die soon and they'll release at least one more single with Warner Bros. and their future with WB will depend on that single's success. If and when they get dropped I don't see them signing with another Major. They've been threatening that with Jana Kramer the past 2 years, as well, but they keep giving her a shot at failure. They have high hopes for their acts, but then don't give them the push they need. I'm tired of the same people being on the radio, so it isn't just the label, it's radio playing the same artists over and over. I believe radio makes and breaks your career, and it's the DJs not giving the fans what they want. I don't know how many times I've requested Trouble, only to rarely hear it now.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 21, 2015 11:33:17 GMT -5
My best guess with Gloriana is this won't make the top 20, it'll die soon and they'll release at least one more single with Warner Bros. and their future with WB will depend on that single's success. If and when they get dropped I don't see them signing with another Major. They've been threatening that with Jana Kramer the past 2 years, as well, but they keep giving her a shot at failure. They have high hopes for their acts, but then don't give them the push they need. I'm tired of the same people being on the radio, so it isn't just the label, it's radio playing the same artists over and over. I believe radio makes and breaks your career, and it's the DJs not giving the fans what they want. I don't know how many times I've requested Trouble, only to rarely hear it now. On the contrary. Radio has treated this song very well. It's currently in the top 30 on both MB and Billboard, despite not even being in the top 1300 on the iTunes all-genre chart. It's also not going great in the call-out scores which isn't always the best indicator but it just adds to the reasons radio would have to not have given this song a ride to the top 30. I agree about radio making and breaking career's but there's a ton of other songs vying for airplay right now and IMO, country radio has treated this song very well considering the horrendous digital sales. Warner Music has done a superb job with promoting this single and radio has accommodated them to the best of their ability considering the feedback. It stinks when a song you love gets largely ignored by your station (I've been before, trust me, lol) but plenty of stations are giving this a fair shake, like my local station WYRK, which has kept this in medium to heavy rotation for a while now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 11:38:11 GMT -5
In this case, radio is giving the fans more than they want of "Trouble." The sales are absolutely horrid for this one (not even in the top 1500 on iTunes all-genre chart today) and this is really low on the Mediabase National Callout chart with a lower negativity rate than only "Little Red Wagon" and "Girl Crush," both of which are higher in terms of overall popularity. It seems radio really wants to keep Gloriana around and I'd guess a lot of programmers and label staff are trying as hard as they can to make this into a hit, but there's just no room on a tight chart for a song with such poor numbers to do much more than scrape the top 30.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 11:39:20 GMT -5
My best guess with Gloriana is this won't make the top 20, it'll die soon and they'll release at least one more single with Warner Bros. and their future with WB will depend on that single's success. If and when they get dropped I don't see them signing with another Major. They've been threatening that with Jana Kramer the past 2 years, as well, but they keep giving her a shot at failure. They have high hopes for their acts, but then don't give them the push they need. I'm tired of the same people being on the radio, so it isn't just the label, it's radio playing the same artists over and over. I believe radio makes and breaks your career, and it's the DJs not giving the fans what they want. I don't know how many times I've requested Trouble, only to rarely hear it now. I hate to say it, but "Trouble" has done way better than it deserved to do. This song is not even in the top 1500 on iTunes--nobody is buying it. Literally every other song currently in the airplay top 60 at country radio is selling more than Gloriana is right now. So why should radio play "Trouble" more than, say, the latest tunes from Brantley Gilbert, Dan + Shay, Kelsea Ballerini, etc...all of which are easily out-selling Gloriana? Radio's job is to play what their listeners want to hear, and that usually involves playing artists and voices that listeners are familiar with. Now obviously they can't be perfect with this, but songs that are researching well and selling well are likely to get played more than songs that aren't researching or selling. I don't mean to sound blunt, but that's common sense. And with "Trouble", it's almost as if it doesn't exist, given how abysmal its sales have been. So the fact that it's made it up to #25 on Billboard is actually quite astonishing. The problem with Gloriana is that they're basically a one-hit wonder to most casual listeners...they've never been able to establish themselves or get any real momentum going, so every time that they release a single, it's basically like they're a brand new artist all over again. And again, radio has to play the popular artists first...that's just the way it is. If you polled listeners and asked them who they wanted to hear most, Gloriana or Luke Bryan, Luke would probably get 99 out of 100 votes. As for other Warner Nashville acts, Jana Kramer's new single is off to a pretty great start, and both Cole Swindell and Brett Eldredge have been huge success stories for the label over the past 2 years. Frankie Ballard hasn't had the best sales, but he's had 2 big #1 hits and now he's got another song in the top 20. Michael Ray's debut single is almost top 20. Hunter Hayes has been a big success, although he did cool off a lot with his 2nd album. Gloriana needs to somehow get a hit, and then, more importantly, they need to follow that hit up with another hit. Otherwise they aren't likely to be with a major label much longer--that's just how it works in the music business. And for these guys to get a hit, it's going to take one hell of a song, and even then it'd probably take 30-40 weeks to climb the airplay charts. They need a song that connects, one that makes people want to go to iTunes and buy it. And "Trouble" is not that song. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that Warner Bros. is still wasting money promoting this to radio. Edit: Lol, sabre14, @daydrinker, and I were all posting at the same time
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Post by sabre14 on May 14, 2015 12:48:21 GMT -5
It really is a sight to behold looking down the list of iTunes sales of the top 40 songs currently on MB. Every single song is in the top 700 on the all-genre chart except "Trouble", which isn't even on the radar (below 1500). Airplay wise, its lost 5 spins and gained just 40k in audience since Sunday.
I'm amazed at Warner putting so much money and effort towards this single, for this long. I'm even more amazed at how poorly its sold. Seriously, I would have thought its sales would pick up a little bit in the top 25 but it really hasn't. This group just cannot for the life of them find any solid footing with listeners other than "(Kissed You) Good Night", which was definitely a fluke considering the performance of their singles since then, and before then. I still doubt at their album being released next month as we've had no official confirmation yet and time is ticking ever so closely to that supposed date. Even if it were to get released right now, I doubt they can reach the top 30 with their follow up to this song as there's no buzz surrounding them.
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Post by jamesmckee on May 14, 2015 12:52:12 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 14, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
I'm still pretty surprised at how poorly this is selling. I think it's a great song and probably my favorite single they've put out to date. It reminds me of something The Band Perry might do. I'm glad that it looks like Three will probably still get released even with the lackluster showing for "Trouble."
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on May 14, 2015 17:01:58 GMT -5
So why can't Gloriana ever get any momentum going? This still baffles me. Their songs have been consistently good, and I thought their quality got even better when Cheyenne left. And yet everything they put out either hits a wall at #35, or manages to be a hit and a dud at the same time (cf. "Can't Shake You"). I never even heard their last single get played on any of the local stations, who usually jump on anything as soon as it hits #40.
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Post by sabre14 on May 14, 2015 17:27:56 GMT -5
So why can't Gloriana ever get any momentum going? This still baffles me. Their songs have been consistently good, and I thought their quality got even better when Cheyenne left. And yet everything they put out either hits a wall at #35, or manages to be a hit and a dud at the same time (cf. "Can't Shake You"). I never even heard their last single get played on any of the local stations, who usually jump on anything as soon as it hits #40. The only explanation is a lack of interest from listeners. I agree about their music being pretty good on the whole with their releases since "Wild At Heart" but for whatever reason, they just don't have enough interest from listeners as evidence by their lackluster sales. Radio has done their part with this song, having it reach the top 25. Warner's done a fantastic job promoting this and making radio ignore the sales and feedback. This single really has no business being in the top 30 to be quite honest. WYRK has certainly done their part. Outside of "Wanna Take You Home", they've played every single song of their thus far. I think their relationship with Warner will be ended soon if they can't get another hit and they definitely need their sales to improve in the worst way.
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Post by mus1cr0w on May 14, 2015 19:25:17 GMT -5
Want to know why this song is tanking?
It is a piece of crap song.
Plain and simple. It is tired, rehashed boy bashing disguised in a mediocre track.
Plain and simple - It is about as compelling as watching paint dry. There are plenty of other places for a listener to spend a buck.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 14, 2015 20:45:42 GMT -5
Want to know why this song is tanking? It is a piece of crap song. Plain and simple. It is tired, rehashed boy bashing disguised in a mediocre track. Plain and simple - It is about as compelling as watching paint dry. There are plenty of other places for a listener to spend a buck. MR 1. I completely disagree that this is a "piece of crap song." I think it's fantastic, personally. Everything about it -- melody, vocals, production, etc. -- are all great to me. 2. It being a "re-hashed" theme or being in any way "mediocre" doesn't stop countless other songs that are much more overdone on radio from becoming hits anyway.
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Post by sabre14 on May 14, 2015 21:36:18 GMT -5
Want to know why this song is tanking? It is a piece of crap song. Plain and simple. It is tired, rehashed boy bashing disguised in a mediocre track. Plain and simple - It is about as compelling as watching paint dry. There are plenty of other places for a listener to spend a buck. MR Want to know why this song is tanking? It is a piece of crap song. Plain and simple. It is tired, rehashed boy bashing disguised in a mediocre track. Plain and simple - It is about as compelling as watching paint dry. There are plenty of other places for a listener to spend a buck. MR 1. I completely disagree that this is a "piece of crap song." I think it's fantastic, personally. Everything about it -- melody, vocals, production, etc. -- are all great to me. 2. It being a "re-hashed" theme or being in any way "mediocre" doesn't stop countless other songs that are much more overdone on radio from becoming hits anyway. I also don't find it to be a "crap" song but I agree with mus1cr0w of this song being a rehash of the subject, which is a personal complaint of mine and others with singles at radio these days but like .indulgecountry said, that hasn't stopped other songs from becoming hits on the charts. This song is also not "tanking." Sales wise, yes; but airplay wise, its done pretty darn well all things considered. There's no buzz, no music video, and horrendous sales. The fact this has reached #23 on MB is amazing in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 13:03:33 GMT -5
With the album coming out soon do you think they'll drop this before this or after.
Does this song have a shot at the Top 20 because there at least like 6th in line Eric Thomas Luke's new one Dustin probably and well Chris Janson will pass and ZBB so if they can hold out long enough they could land at #20 gosh I hope so.
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Post by sabre14 on May 19, 2015 13:14:43 GMT -5
With the album coming out soon do you think they'll drop this before this or after. Does this song have a shot at the Top 20 because there at least like 6th in line Eric Thomas Luke's new one Dustin probably and well Chris Janson will pass and ZBB so if they can hold out long enough they could land at #20 gosh I hope so. Also love this site Welcome to Pulse. :) It'll still be promoted by the time June 2nd comes. "Trouble" actually sits at #22 on MB this week as they narrowly edged out Rascal Flatts for that spot. It's possible they can get to #21 (with "Say You Do" going recurrent ) this upcoming Sunday, but after that I'm sure Thomas Rhett will be ahead and maybe Luke's new one as well by the following chart (May 31st). Warner is definitely trying for a top 20 finish on at least MB before letting this one go. The single is running low on gas though (lost 90k in audience today), so nothing's guaranteed. Either way, the album will finally get released on June 2nd, even though this song has sold horribly. I also have serious doubts on whether their follow up can reach the top 30 but we'll see. I think their label did a marvelous job promoting this single with its low sales.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 13:33:33 GMT -5
Any news on a music video to have this have even the tiniest of sparks for a Top 20
I mean on BB they're like 8th in line for a Eric ZBB Luke Thomas Dustin, (Rascal Flatts I do think are done) Maddie & Tae could catch them Kip could as well not to mention Brett could as well. Chris Janson who knows if by this time Cole Swindell will as well.
The label needs to max push for a Top 20 soon it's not pretty.
P.S Love This song it's my jam.
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Post by sabre14 on May 19, 2015 13:58:34 GMT -5
Any news on a music video to have this have even the tiniest of sparks for a Top 20 I mean on BB they're like 8th in line for a Eric ZBB Luke Thomas Dustin, (Rascal Flatts I do think are done) Maddie & Tae could catch them Kip could as well not to mention Brett could as well. Chris Janson who knows if by this time Cole Swindell will as well. The label needs to max push for a Top 20 soon it's not pretty. P.S Love This song it's my jam. Labels follow the Mediabase chart just as much as Billboard (though most here are more comfortable following Billboard). There's no "max push" for a top 20 peak, lol. If they get there, they get there and if not oh well. I'm sure they're trying, so don't fret. There will not be a music video either. This song will only last a couple more weeks and it would be a waste of money and effort to put one together so late in this song's chart run.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 14:08:03 GMT -5
I understand that there's no music video but I'd imagine it would've been fun. Having Rachel Reinert destroy stuff would've been funny. All that aside it's impressive how far they made it with this. I don't think Gloriana will get dropped a Top 25 I think has justified them keeping them label.
But I'm just hoping my requesting can get them in the Top 20 I'm hopeful but nervous.
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Post by sabre14 on May 19, 2015 14:58:21 GMT -5
^ They won't get dropped from the roster after this single is done. Now if the next single or two underperform with non-existent sales, then there would likely be a problem. Warner though clearly believes in them and have stuck with them even with a few singles dying the the 30's. This group doesn't sell well though and I have my doubts about their long term success on the label. The music industry is a business in the end and most execs need relatively quick gratification.
I do enjoy Gloriana very much though, so hopefully they can prove me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 15:11:25 GMT -5
Quick question actually would they get dropped from Warner Bros. and Emblem or just Warner that's the part that I'm confused about. Well I do think once Trouble is done which it will be soon, unfortunately I think they need to lay low for a while with the onslaught of new releases a new song could really fizzle out bad like Best Night Ever did.
I remain hopeful but scared but I'm hoping they stick.
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Post by sabre14 on May 19, 2015 15:48:11 GMT -5
Quick question actually would they get dropped from Warner Bros. and Emblem or just Warner that's the part that I'm confused about. Well I do think once Trouble is done which it will be soon, unfortunately I think they need to lay low for a while with the onslaught of new releases a new song could really fizzle out bad like Best Night Ever did. I remain hopeful but scared but I'm hoping they stick. If they were to get dropped, that would mean Warner would just stop promoting their singles to radio and their albums. Their original record agreement was with Emblem Records, which Matt Serletic owns. Once "Trouble" is done, I would expect another single right away. Probably July or August. Who knows how the chart looks then but delaying a second single from this album would only harm them. I understand the thinking of not wanting to throw a single out in such a competitive environment, but sometimes you have no choice and hope for the best.
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