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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 0:02:09 GMT -5
Babs core demo is probably north of people in their 30s and 40s on average.
It is funny to see people deny ageism in one branch of the entertainment industry when even people with the industry young and old alike have discussed how much of a problem it has become in entertainment over the years.
Guess we can agree to disagree.
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Post by HoldTight on Feb 17, 2015 2:15:09 GMT -5
The duets gimmick sold Barbra's album, her prior solo album missed #1 and Gold.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 17, 2015 2:25:08 GMT -5
Babs core demo is probably north of people in their 30s and 40s on average. It is funny to see people deny ageism in one branch of the entertainment industry when even people with the industry young and old alike have discussed how much of a problem it has become in entertainment over the years. Guess we can agree to disagree. We will have to agree to disagree but I assume you'll be voicing annoyance when the Teen Choice Awards fail to recognize Madonna's achievements from this past year because ageism.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 3:35:30 GMT -5
I do not say anything in regards to who gets nominated for an award show….however, when someone calls and request a song from someone and they say automatically no that they will not play it then yes i will.
Maybe if they change the Hot 100 to the teen music chart then I will not say a thing….the music industry sure does not mind tweaking measuring things when it tips the balance to younger acts, however the radio industry which is a main component of the HOT 1OO and not the TEEN 100 wants to squeeze older artist out of the equation.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 3:55:43 GMT -5
Bummer….but not surprised. Here is hoping the album can sell well in some other manner.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 17, 2015 4:02:47 GMT -5
My advice to those complaining about ageism is: Can YOU relate to the artist? If you can't, why anyone in the 20s listening to pop radio should?
I love Madonna and appreciate her doing her thing but she must take into consideration that one can't force people to relate to one's music, appearance and performances. If she's fine with that, great, if she's not, I personally won't accept any whining about the industry.
(People who whine about this are her fans anyway, I can't see her doing that)
If I have one problem with Madonna that would be that her music hasn't really been as innovative as I've hoped in recent years. Still enjoyable.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 4:09:25 GMT -5
My advice to those complaining about ageism is: Can YOU relate to the artist? If you can't, why anyone in the 20s listening to pop radio should? I love Madonna and appreciate her doing her thing but she must take into consideration that one can't force people to relate to one's music, appearance and performances. If she's fine with that, great, if she's not, I personally won't accept any whining about the industry. (People who whine about this are her fans anyway, I can't see her doing that) If I have one problem with Madonna that would be that her music hasn't really been as innovative as I've hoped in recent years. Still enjoyable. You won't accept any whining? Hmm , thought this was a board for people to express their opinions. You may call it whining, I just call it what i see as truth….and to me this is not just about Madonna. It just happen to be talked about in this thread.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 17, 2015 4:24:16 GMT -5
My advice to those complaining about ageism is: Can YOU relate to the artist? If you can't, why anyone in the 20s listening to pop radio should? I love Madonna and appreciate her doing her thing but she must take into consideration that one can't force people to relate to one's music, appearance and performances. If she's fine with that, great, if she's not, I personally won't accept any whining about the industry. (People who whine about this are her fans anyway, I can't see her doing that) If I have one problem with Madonna that would be that her music hasn't really been as innovative as I've hoped in recent years. Still enjoyable. You won't accept any whining? Hmm , thought this was a board for people to express their opinions. You may call it whining, I just call it what i see as truth….and to me this is not just about Madonna. It just happen to be talked about in this thread. Ok, it might be the "truth" but come on, I'd be more baffled if my 20 year old daughter bought a Barbra Streisand cd than listened to Meghan Trainor.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 4:32:33 GMT -5
You won't accept any whining? Hmm , thought this was a board for people to express their opinions. You may call it whining, I just call it what i see as truth….and to me this is not just about Madonna. It just happen to be talked about in this thread. Ok, it might be the "truth" but come on, I'd be more baffled if my 20 year old daughter bought a Barbra Streisand cd than listened to Meghan Trainor. I understand ….however that is my entire point…..their are people above the age of 23 that wanna hear pop music as well and maybe aren't so old that all they want to do is listen to standards from Babs. Huge ocean in between just filled with people and artist that are not being exploited in the narrow focus of top 40 radio. It is my entire point.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 4:35:59 GMT -5
Ok, it might be the "truth" but come on, I'd be more baffled if my 20 year old daughter bought a Barbra Streisand cd than listened to Meghan Trainor. I understand ….however that is my entire point…..their are people above the age of 23 that wanna hear pop music as well and maybe aren't so old that all they want to do is listen to standards from Babs. Huge ocean in between just filled with people and artist that are not being exploited in the narrow focus of top 40 radio. It is my entire point.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 17, 2015 5:47:37 GMT -5
But that doesn't mean that we "older people" are not interested in younger artists too. We are interested because they are fresh.
I very well understand why pop radio won't embrace Gwen Stefani any more.. Yes, she's a class act, looks good, sings well and performs catchy songs but what NEW she has to offer? Not much.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 5:55:28 GMT -5
Sorry….but Gwen's latest material was kind of bad… Younger artist can be as stale as veteran artist. Anyway does it have to be mutually exclusive??
That is kind of my point, we should not have to choose between younger and older artist, lets just choose to play good music and not 100 % percent focus
on the age looks of someone all the time.
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 17, 2015 6:32:03 GMT -5
Babs core demo is probably north of people in their 30s and 40s on average. It is funny to see people deny ageism in one branch of the entertainment industry when even people with the industry young and old alike have discussed how much of a problem it has become in entertainment over the years. Guess we can agree to disagree. We will have to agree to disagree but I assume you'll be voicing annoyance when the Teen Choice Awards fail to recognize Madonna's achievements from this past year because ageism. To be fair the Teen choice awards didn't recognize anything at all because they are totally rigged
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 17, 2015 6:43:08 GMT -5
In a perfect world, it should be that way, but commercially that's sort of utopia.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 7:04:42 GMT -5
In a perfect world, it should be that way, but commercially that's sort of utopia. lol….Utopia to play someone over a certain age….common that is over the top. Not asking for world peace here.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 17, 2015 7:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 17, 2015 7:29:09 GMT -5
In a perfect world, it should be that way, but commercially that's sort of utopia. lol….Utopia to play someone over a certain age….common that is over the top. Not asking for world peace here. I just can't at your inability to grasp the concept that this radio format caters to a specific audience that deals directly with age. Young people *prefer* to listen to young artists because that's who they relate to. There *will* come a time when Rihanna will struggle at the format much like Mariah is and Kelly is beginning to. Call it ageism if you want but that's how it is. It applies to anything and everything where things are bought and sold. I would say the actual issue is why this song isn't performing better at AC or even Hot AC.
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Post by Safado on Feb 17, 2015 8:13:57 GMT -5
Has she even done anything at AC or HAC? I don't follow those charts.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 17, 2015 8:20:32 GMT -5
^Nothing of note at AC/Hot AC.
If there was some kind of promo (though not hour-on-the-hour like GMAYL), the increases will be less from here on out.
For this new Monday-Sunday period, the spins from this past Saturday and Sunday will be out of the equation, so if it were to crack the top 40 through Sunday, it would need an average of, like, 98 new spins daily through Sunday (Mediabase's current No. 40 has 728 spins; LFL had 143 new spins on Monday). Cracking Mediabase's official Top 40 (which goes through Saturday) may be easier than doing so for Billboard's chart.
Also- there's supposedly a panel change coming on Friday, with the addition of some LFL-supporting stations to the top 40 panel.
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Post by seaguy27 on Feb 17, 2015 8:24:00 GMT -5
lol….Utopia to play someone over a certain age….common that is over the top. Not asking for world peace here. I just can't at your inability to grasp the concept that this radio format caters to a specific audience that deals directly with age. Young people *prefer* to listen to young artists because that's who they relate to. There *will* come a time when Rihanna will struggle at the format much like Mariah is and Kelly is beginning to. Call it ageism if you want but that's how it is. It applies to anything and everything where things are bought and sold. I would say the actual issue is why this song isn't performing better at AC or even Hot AC. I will not address you any longer….you are being condescending toward me and I'm just going to stop it right here before I'm rude back. Here is my parting gift to this matter…..a nice article that points out what I'm talking about when it comes to ageism in the music radio landscape around the world and how it was not always this way. Apparently some artist and well informed writers and journalist do not have the ability to grasp either. link
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 17, 2015 8:46:59 GMT -5
Mediabase Quick-Cut info 4.584m (+ 0.979m)
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Post by Libra on Feb 17, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5
RE: AC/Hot AC - Those two take more of their cues these days from CHR than they have even just a few years ago. The exceptions seem to be if you're considered a "core" artist of either format, which Madonna is not - but even if she was, a particular song's CHR success/lack of success would still be a heavy influence on its success over at the other two.
The same could, arguably, apply to why Kelly's "Heartbeat Song" isn't already a monster @ HAC (despite its starting radio deal there) - but, expanding on that one is best saved for its own thread.
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Post by chartfreak on Feb 17, 2015 10:40:00 GMT -5
Watch the video on Youtube, it's about to hit 4 million. :)
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Post by bat1990 on Feb 17, 2015 11:20:00 GMT -5
I will not address you any longer….you are being condescending toward me and I'm just going to stop it right here before I'm rude back. Here is my parting gift to this matter…..a nice article that points out what I'm talking about when it comes to ageism in the music radio landscape around the world and how it was not always this way. Apparently some artist and well informed writers and journalist do not have the ability to grasp either. linkThat's a very eloquent article. One would think that the widespread use of Pandora and similar services would help people consume things outside of what terrestrial radio programmers choose to overplay. I have always disliked how radio factors into American charts; other countries have it better I think with streaming and sales being the only components and airplay only has an indirect influence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 11:40:47 GMT -5
Though an all sales chart wouldn't help L4L either. They need to keep promoting it. I bet another TV performance would help. M did so much more TV during the ROL era. It remains to be seen if they will revisit that strategy.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Feb 17, 2015 11:45:43 GMT -5
A fantastic radio update today, rise Madge rise
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Post by August on Feb 17, 2015 11:52:54 GMT -5
Playing on Z100 right now! It made me giddy to be at my desk at work and see the iHeartRadio app suddenly start playing this song and the artwork appear.
Loving!
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Post by botoxic on Feb 17, 2015 12:46:03 GMT -5
I apologize for my Chicken Little posts last night (which I decided to delete). Things are looking better in the light of day. Still seeing regular spins in NYC and LA, and Dallas came on board yesterday. Many iHeart stations are still spinning, and the Cumulus block appears to be nibbling as well. I am cautiously optimistic we will see an encouraging adds report today!
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 17, 2015 12:46:07 GMT -5
lol….Utopia to play someone over a certain age….common that is over the top. Not asking for world peace here. I just can't at your inability to grasp the concept that this radio format caters to a specific audience that deals directly with age. Young people *prefer* to listen to young artists because that's who they relate to. There *will* come a time when Rihanna will struggle at the format much like Mariah is and Kelly is beginning to. Call it ageism if you want but that's how it is. It applies to anything and everything where things are bought and sold. I would say the actual issue is why this song isn't performing better at AC or even Hot AC. In terms of radio airplay is inevitable, even people with long careers struggle when they reach at certain age. And there's of course the risk of becoming totally irrelevant which can be reached not experimenting with your sound or by experimenting too much (and trying to be trendy all the time). People like Adele or Sam Smith (in case they are able to develop long careers) have an easy way because they had a huge adult fanbase from the beginning, so maybe their radio presence will vanish, but probably will be able to carry good album sales. Madonna needs to do some tv promo (yes i know she was at the grammys) because if she is able to put the song high on itunes again there's a possibility of the airplay this time won't stop after a couple of weeks, and having sizeable hit will probably open the door for a second single on the radio. At this time she has nothing to prove, but there's no reason to not doing everything you can to have a hit
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 17, 2015 12:53:13 GMT -5
No need to apologize, botox- exercising caution is always a good thing. :)
This LFL release has been unorthodox- released in December, yet the label waits until early February for a radio push. Having it instantly tied to the album pre-order hasn't done it great favors in terms of single sales, either.
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