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Post by LBTrocks on Feb 9, 2015 0:16:47 GMT -5
She nailed this on the Grammy's tonight. Very fun performance. Completely agree. I'm still not a fan of the song, but it is very fun live and Miranda's performances are always so full of attitude!
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Post by ant on Feb 9, 2015 23:18:13 GMT -5
I loved her performance. I think it actually made me like this song a little more.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 10, 2015 6:12:12 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 10, 2015 16:24:49 GMT -5
I am hoping that after a Grammy win that Miranda Lambert can FINALLY get a #1 here. She needs it being a FIVE time C.M.A. Female Vocalist of the Year winner (if she wins this year, I am moving to Mars).
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Post by countrygirl918 on Feb 10, 2015 19:27:43 GMT -5
I have a feeling this song will struggle to even make it into the top 5. It is a very polarizing single - people either love it or hate it, and there doesn't seem to be any in between.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:44:52 GMT -5
I have a feeling this song will struggle to even make it into the top 5. It is a very polarizing single - people either love it or hate it, and there doesn't seem to be any in between. Honestly, I'm expecting this to peak in the top 15; I don't think this will land anywhere near the top 5. Miranda has had a good relationship with radio when it comes to safe material (Over You, THTBM), but radio doesn't seem to be on board with polarizing choices (All Kinds Of Kinds, Only Prettier, and now LRW), so I think this song will struggle. Miranda may be a superstar in the eyes of awards voters, but she hasn't exactly proven to be bulletproof when it comes to getting every single up the charts, and I think LRW will fall short.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 10, 2015 20:12:26 GMT -5
I have a feeling this song will struggle to even make it into the top 5. It is a very polarizing single - people either love it or hate it, and there doesn't seem to be any in between. Honestly, I'm expecting this to peak in the top 15; I don't think this will land anywhere near the top 5. Miranda has had a good relationship with radio when it comes to safe material (Over You, THTBM) Not to nitpick, but it bothers me when people refer to "The House That Built Me" as safe as if radio was obviously going to take to it. At the time of its release, it was very much a huge gamble that could've easily gone the other way. It was anything but safe, honestly. I agree about LRW being polarizing though and I do wish they'd gone with something else, because I can see it meeting resistance on the charts as well and I'm getting annoyed the longer the Platinum era goes on without a #1 country airplay hit. It just ain't right. (For those reasons alone, I'd love to see this go all the way to the top, because she got snubbed twice in a row and I don't want to see it become three).
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 10, 2015 21:11:32 GMT -5
I am hoping that after a Grammy win that Miranda Lambert can FINALLY get a #1 here. She needs it being a FIVE time C.M.A. Female Vocalist of the Year winner (if she wins this year, I am moving to Mars). I know that this is just a rhetorical statement (and I hope that Mars has internet access so that we hear from you after November), but I don't follow your assertion that Miranda "needs" to "get a #1 here." The country industry doesn't need her to score Billboard airplay #1s to declare her its musical standard-bearer, her current album will likely outsell her husband's despite her husband's streak of thirteen (soon to be fourteen) consecutive #1 airplay hits, and her critical buzz is certainly not dependent on airplay #1s. Is it strange that country radio doesn't take her singles to the top considering the above? Sure, and maybe it's strange that country radio has supported a parade of mostly mediocre male singles to #1 despite their failure to make as much impact in the country world outside of radio. But actually, it's not so strange because country radio doesn't cater directly to CMA/ACM voters, music buyers, or music critics. Should it? An arguable point, and I certainly believe that it's a problem for radio when Carrie, Miranda and Kacey's airplay presence lags behind their overall impact. In any case, the current lack of correlation between Miranda's track record at radio and her track record in the industry, at retail and in the media shouldn't be a surprise at this point. I'm one of the few here who actually likes "Little Red Wagon," but have no desire to impose a high airplay peak on the rest of you if the song genuinely doesn't resonate widely. "Little Red Wagon" did receive a nice bounce from Miranda's Grammy performance, and currently sits at #31 all-genre (#3 country, behind an Aaron Watson instant grat track that will soon drop below and Sam Hunt's "Take Your Time"). Not quite as high a bounce as I predicted at the beginning of the year, but still solid. I'll be interested to see what kind of interest it sustains, since sales prior to the live performance were tracking at or slightly behind the song's airplay rank. With a video and at least one more live performance to come at the ACMs (that's a guess), the song won't lack for exposure outside of radio or opportunities to grow on country fans. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by samsager3 on Feb 10, 2015 22:08:01 GMT -5
I don't get how country radio has such a big problem with female artists. I mean sure they don't get to number 1 I'll admit that, but just today I drive 45 minutes to class this morning and on that 45 minute span something in the water played then don't it by billy currington and then some old stuff and then little red wagon and then something in the water again. To me that shows if anything they are encouraging to the females if they can't get to number 1 oh well that's not radios job to push them the extra step the artist has to figure out way to get that last bit of a push radio can only push so far without the artist significantly trying to get to the next level. And in my opinion look where something in the after was it could have gotten a number 1 but they didn't push it like it should have been and stragley this will suffer a simillar date.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 10, 2015 23:58:02 GMT -5
I don't get how country radio has such a big problem with female artists. I mean sure they don't get to number 1 I'll admit that, but just today I drive 45 minutes to class this morning and on that 45 minute span something in the water played then don't it by billy currington and then some old stuff and then little red wagon and then something in the water again. To me that shows if anything they are encouraging to the females if they can't get to number 1 oh well that's not radios job to push them the extra step the artist has to figure out way to get that last bit of a push radio can only push so far without the artist significantly trying to get to the next level. And in my opinion look where something in the after was it could have gotten a number 1 but they didn't push it like it should have been and stragley this will suffer a simillar date. Deciphering this was a little difficult (I hope it was an English class you were headed to), but it seems like you're actually trying to imply that women are encouraged by country radio because in the span of 45 minutes you heard a whopping two female songs from the only two ladies the genre automatically sends into high rotation. Talk about tunnel vision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 0:07:59 GMT -5
I don't get how country radio has such a big problem with female artists. I mean sure they don't get to number 1 I'll admit that, but just today I drive 45 minutes to class this morning and on that 45 minute span something in the water played then don't it by billy currington and then some old stuff and then little red wagon and then something in the water again. To me that shows if anything they are encouraging to the females if they can't get to number 1 oh well that's not radios job to push them the extra step the artist has to figure out way to get that last bit of a push radio can only push so far without the artist significantly trying to get to the next level. And in my opinion look where something in the after was it could have gotten a number 1 but they didn't push it like it should have been and stragley this will suffer a simillar date. Deciphering this was a little difficult (I hope it was an English class you were headed to), but it seems like you're actually trying to imply that women are encouraged by country radio because in the span of 45 minutes you heard a whopping two female songs from the only two ladies the genre automatically sends into high rotation. Talk about tunnel vision. The drag lmao.
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Post by samsager3 on Feb 11, 2015 7:42:48 GMT -5
No three out of 5 and my English was perfectly fine. I didn't realize it was up to fellow board members to critisize one another I thought it was for spirited debate and opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 9:25:11 GMT -5
Not to nitpick, but it bothers me when people refer to "The House That Built Me" as safe as if radio was obviously going to take to it. At the time of its release, it was very much a huge gamble that could've easily gone the other way. It was anything but safe, honestly. I completely agree with this. "The House That Built Me" was anything but a safe radio release. It was a huge, huge gamble. If you go back and read THTBM thread, I don't think there were any people there saying it was a safe release. A few boldly predicted it would be a big hit, but the general consensus seemed to be "wow, this is an incredible song, but I can't believe they're actually releasing this to radio". Naturally, a lot of us felt it deserved to be a big hit (based on quality), but most of us were already very pessimistic about country radio and their willingness to play THTBM, and this was back in 2010. She had just scored her first MB #1 with "White Liar" (#2 on BB), and so many of us were afraid that THTBM would kill all of her radio momentum. Instead, the song connected big time, with huge sales and an absolutely incredible 4-week reign at #1, and I'd say it's one of the few "modern-day classics" we've had in the last 10 years. It's easily Miranda's biggest hit and I think it will forever remain her signature song. But to say that it was a safe release and that it's astronomical success was expected seems way off to me. As for "Little Red Wagon", I can also see this one flaming out a la "Only Prettier" and "All Kinds Of Kinds". But like 43dudleyvillas said so perfectly, I don't think Miranda NEEDS any #1's here. She's doing incredibly well (better than most male artists) despite her lack of airplay #1's. And even though she hasn't topped Billboard Country Airplay since 2012's "Over You" (not including "We Were Us"), "Mama's Broken Heart" and "Automatic" were both Mediabase #1's, and thus they'll be seen as #1's in the eyes of most casual fans (who aren't obsessed with charts like us) as well in the eyes of most industry people (with the exception of those who work for Billboard, lol). Miranda's overall popularity continues to surge. The opening week sales frame for Platinum was a career best sales frame for her, and the album looks like it'll be her 5th straight Platinum album (which is all of her albums, not counting her self-titled and self-released 2001 album). Her singles consistently go Gold and Platinum, and she's a hugely popular touring act as well. Obviously radio #1's are nice, but she certainly doesn't "need" them.
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Post by tvoss20 on Feb 11, 2015 10:42:08 GMT -5
For me personally, her music has been hard to listen to post-Revolution era.
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Post by samsager3 on Feb 11, 2015 11:06:09 GMT -5
Her singles have always been kind of middle of the road for me. I loved the house that built me, hated mamas broken heart, like baggage claim. I liked automatic and hated her duet with underwood,sorry I didn't think the two mixed well. And I really don't care for this song so hopefuly she releases something next time that I can get into.
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Post by carriekins on Feb 11, 2015 14:09:29 GMT -5
For me personally, her music has been hard to listen to post-Revolution era. Right there with you.
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Post by myeverything on Feb 12, 2015 17:13:19 GMT -5
For me personally, her music has been hard to listen to post-Revolution era. I love all of Ran's albums but Revolution will always be my favorite. That's one of my all-time favorites, actually!
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 12, 2015 20:31:18 GMT -5
Some of Miranda's great songs like "Dry Town", "Me And Your Cigarettes" and "Nobody's Fool" stay album tracks but "Little Red Wagon" gets released. A good month into this single's release to radio and I'm still shaking my head.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Feb 12, 2015 21:38:12 GMT -5
Yeah, didn't think the performance at the Grammy's was too bad, but I still HATE this song, just as I hated "Somethin' Bad". Honestly, I see this falling short of the top ten. I just don't see why this made sense to anybody as a single release.
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Post by myeverything on Feb 14, 2015 22:07:16 GMT -5
All time favorite Miranda song? New Strings!!
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 15, 2015 2:27:44 GMT -5
I looked further and it appears that there are other songs besides Let the Cowboy Rock that had below 10% net positive while in their current runs: Edens Edge - Too Good to Be True (August 24, 31 2012) Kristen Kelly - Ex-Old Man (August 31, September 7 2012) Craig Morgan - Wake Up Lovin' You (January 24, 31 2014) Garth Brooks - People Loving People (October 31 2014) Prior to Let the Cowboy Rock (from 2010 onwards): Luke Bryan - Country Girl (Shake It for Me) - (April 29, May 6 2011) Brad Paisley - Camouflage (February 17 2012)
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 20, 2015 22:21:06 GMT -5
I looked further and it appears that there are other songs besides Let the Cowboy Rock that had below 10% net positive while in their current runs: Edens Edge - Too Good to Be True (August 24, 31 2012) Kristen Kelly - Ex-Old Man (August 31, September 7 2012) Craig Morgan - Wake Up Lovin' You (January 24, 31 2014) Garth Brooks - People Loving People (October 31 2014) Prior to Let the Cowboy Rock (from 2010 onwards): Luke Bryan - Country Girl (Shake It for Me) - (April 29, May 6 2011) Brad Paisley - Camouflage (February 17 2012) "Little Red Wagon"'s net positive has improved considerably in the past couple of weeks on that particular survey, though it still isn't great. Callout typically improves as familiarity with a song grows. In any event, it's important not to rely on any one callout service -- there are methodological issues with practically every one, and so they only give a potential snapshot at what listener reaction really is. Moreover, radio stations don't all rely on the same national callout surveys (I'm actually under the impression that country stations most often rely on local M-Scores). Besides, radio stations don't just look at overall scores...they break down data demographically, and if a song is connecting especially well with a particular demographic, then the song's overall scores may not be of as much concern. Looking at this callout service alone, "Little Red Wagon" is testing well enough early among women 25-34 (it is already the #2 "Favorite" in that demo), but has a negative net positive among men 25-34 (8.1% more of male respondents in that age demo dislike the song than like it). Moreover, national callout doesn't necessarily translate in individual markets -- everything that plays well in Boston won't necessarily play well in Des Moines, and vice versa. Nonetheless, I want to point out something that I mentioned in the "Something in the Water" thread -- female singles generally draw a higher negative response in these surveys, in no small part because familiarity breeds better callout, and male voices are nothing if not more familiar on country radio playlists, especially these days. Even "Something in the Water"'s net positive on the Mediabase Callout service never reached forty percent, if I remember correctly. But, and this is another point I had previously mentioned, "Something in the Water" consistently drew the highest "Favorite" percentage across callout services -- and it is that factor (also known as "Passion") that typically drives female singles up the charts despite higher negatives. It is worth noting that despite "Little Red Wagon"'s relatively low net positive, it is already one of the top-10 "Favorite" songs among currents. None of that is to deny that this song is by its nature polarizing, between a musical structure not common to mainstream country radio, the brassy aggression of the lyrics, and the lack of a pleasing melody. But Miranda's Grammy performance gave the song a decent downloads lift (twelve days since the Grammys, the song still ranks ahead of its airplay position on the iTunes Country chart), and the video and perhaps an ACM performance could still contribute to improved callout.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Feb 20, 2015 23:47:39 GMT -5
I looked further and it appears that there are other songs besides Let the Cowboy Rock that had below 10% net positive while in their current runs: Edens Edge - Too Good to Be True (August 24, 31 2012) Kristen Kelly - Ex-Old Man (August 31, September 7 2012) Craig Morgan - Wake Up Lovin' You (January 24, 31 2014) Garth Brooks - People Loving People (October 31 2014) Prior to Let the Cowboy Rock (from 2010 onwards): Luke Bryan - Country Girl (Shake It for Me) - (April 29, May 6 2011) Brad Paisley - Camouflage (February 17 2012) Female singles generally draw a higher negative response in these surveys, This shows how sexist the country charts are. That aside, agreed with most of what you said. Also, wish Bullseye Callout and Radiofeedback would return to the Billboard Country Updates as I think they are more reliable. (Seriously, Take Your Time has the largest net positive and She Don't Love You has one of the lowest?)
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 21, 2015 12:50:39 GMT -5
I said the same thing about Taylor Swift needing a #1 hit after her struggles at country radio with some of her Fearless singles: Fifteen (#7) and Fearless (#10). Then she came back big time with the first three releases from Speak Now: Mine (#2), Back To December (#3), and Mean (#2). She finally scored #1s with Sparks Fly and Ours. Now, with Miranda Lambert having problems topping the chart, now would be a great time for her to get a #1 with Little Red Wagon. If she is to be considered the 'gold standard' for female artists considering her Female Vocalist wins at the C.M.A.s, she had better prove it. Sure, she and Carrie Underwood are carrying the torch for female artists right now, but Underwood has always done better than Lambert in every aspect of their careers. I know that Underwood has not topped the airplay chart since Blown Away, but I blame a lot of that on Arista not giving her the push she needed to get to #1 for singles like Two Black Cadillacs and See You Again. We have recently discussed Something In the Water, so I will not go there at this point in time. Now is the time to review some C.M.A. Female Vocalist winners and their chart toppers during their reign. Ready?
Reba McEntire-1984-1987: 1. How Blue-1985 2. Somebody Should Leave-1985 3. Whoever's In New England-1986 4. Little Rock-1986 5. What Am I Gonna Do About You-1987 6. One Promise Too Late-1987 7. The Last One To Know-1987 8. Love Will Find Its Way To You-1988 I left off Mind Your Own Business as it was a Hank Williams, Jr. single and MCA had nothing to do with it.
Martina McBride-1999, 2002-2004 1. I Love You-1999
Carrie Underwood-2006-2008: 1. Before He Cheats-2006 2. Wasted-2007 3. So Small-2007 4. All-American Girl-2008 5. Last Name-2008 6. Just A Dream-2008 Cowboy Casanova from 2009 missed out by two weeks after Swift replaced Underwood as Female Vocalist.
Miranda Lambert-2010-2014: 1. Heart Like Mine-2011 2. Over You-2012 3. We Were Us-with Keith Urban-2013-I am including this one because RCA promoted this as well as Capitol, Urban's label.
As you can tell, McEntire and Underwood have more chart toppers than Female Vocalist wins.
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 21, 2015 19:08:22 GMT -5
For me personally, her music has been hard to listen to post-Revolution era. I agree with you to a certain extent. Revolution is most probably one of my favorite country albums and I think that's one of the problems. The music, lyrics and Miranda's vocal delivery on that album is fantastic. It really set the bar high and I feel that the music that's followed hasn't been able to reach the same heights. Not to say she hasn't had some good material - I enjoy some of the material she's released since. However, the music seems to have a more prominent rock edge/influence that comes across, to me at least, as a bit factitious and not a natural sort of progression.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 23:42:10 GMT -5
For me personally, her music has been hard to listen to post-Revolution era. I agree with you to a certain extent. Revolution is most probably one of my favorite country albums and I think that's one of the problems. The music, lyrics and Miranda's vocal delivery on that album is fantastic. It really set the bar high and I feel that the music that's followed hasn't been able to reach the same heights. Not to say she hasn't had some good material - I enjoy some of the material she's released since. However, the music seems to have a more prominent rock edge/influence that comes across, to me at least, as a bit factitious and not a natural sort of progression. As a big Miranda fan, it pains me to say that I think the success of "Revolution" was both a blessing and a curse for her. I love all her albums for different reasons, but I do feel like she's trying to find an equilibrium of being a quality & commercially friendly artist. In doing so, she seems more focused on appealing to the masses, as opposed to sticking to recording music & not nesscarily focusing on trying to please everyone. As much as I love Miranda, I'll be the first to admit she doesn't have the voice or appeal to crossover the way Underwood or Swift do, and no album or image can change that. I love "Platinum," but the sheen of this album & the increasingly radio-friendly material suggests Miranda wants to be a crossover artist who will fit in with the "cool kids," even if that's not where she shines. I will say that I think "Platinum" is a risker album than "Revolution" overall, but it's also clear she's been moving in the direction of being a more commercial artist since that era, so I'm not surprised she chose to continue in that vein. Also, I was shocked (but happy) to hear LRW on my local Country station today.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 22, 2015 1:43:59 GMT -5
^Wow I'm shocked that anyone thinks Miranda is going commercial or trying to bend genres. "Automatic" was as country sounding as you can get to me. Sure "Somethin' Bad" had a slight rock edge to it, but then she releases something that is pretty rockabilly/country sounding to my ears with this single. Honestly, I don't see too much fluff on the Platinum album, and the only song I really see being made specifically just to garner radio play and big sales numbers is SB which costarred Carrie as we all know. "Automatic" is quite different than most country songs on the radio today, and definitely was more of a throwback. It's all a matter of opinion, but when I listen to Platinum, I just hear an artist who's truly making the songs she wants to make.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 22, 2015 4:58:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the argument that Miranda has gotten more conscious of being deliberately radio-friendly doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Honestly, every album she's put out has only had a handful of songs that just felt like obvious singles, and I feel like Four the Record and Platinum were some of the slimmest in terms of radio choices. In fact, that's kind of the dilemma people were having with LRW, because she's not releasing an obvious single to radio.
Miranda has managed to release 5 very different albums over the course of her career, and still maintain a strong musical identity, imo. She's never come across like either a try-hard or a trend-chaser to me at all.
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Post by myeverything on Feb 23, 2015 11:58:17 GMT -5
I'm on the fence with this one too. I can see for obvious reasons why/how she'd want to be more of a crossover artist since it's the "thing to do these days" but Miranda is one of the most true country artists out there today. She has incredibly high values and beliefs and she completely sticks to her guns and stands up for what she believes in, does what she wants, etc. I don't think she'd change for anyone, especially not to please mainstream listeners.
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Post by jptexas on Feb 23, 2015 13:02:18 GMT -5
So, if Miranda wins the ACM female vocalist award, how many consecutive wins will that be? Thanks in advance.
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