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Post by kw9461 on Jun 18, 2008 19:01:05 GMT -5
Thanks jon. I find it interesting that 14 of the top 22 artists of the 90's didn't even crack the T40 this decade. Sure, several of the artists were past their prime at the turn of the century (Alabama, Randy Travis, Lorrie Morgan, Clint Black, Sammy Kershaw, and Sawyer Brown), but others were still in their prime, but fizzled off shortly after 2000 (Joe Diffie, Collin Raye, Mark Chesnutt to name a few).
Also, I find it funny that Trace Adkins has a chance to finish the decade in the T10 (certainly a shot at T12), but yet he has been on the brink of losing his record deal on two separate occasions during the decade. It's also funny that Garth made the T20, despite spending most of the decade "retired."
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Post by Zazie on Jun 18, 2008 19:43:12 GMT -5
Thanks jon. I find it interesting that 14 of the top 22 artists of the 90's didn't even crack the T40 this decade. Sure, several of the artists were past their prime at the turn of the century (Alabama, Randy Travis, Lorrie Morgan, Clint Black, Sammy Kershaw, and Sawyer Brown), but others were still in their prime, but fizzled off shortly after 2000 (Joe Diffie, Collin Raye, Mark Chesnutt to name a few). Also, I find it funny that Trace Adkins has a chance to finish the decade in the T10 (certainly a shot at T12), but yet he has been on the brink of losing his record deal on two separate occasions during the decade. It's also funny that Garth made the T20, despite spending most of the decade "retired." The 1989-92 period seemed unusually full of strong performers. The class of '89 alone accounts for 4 of the top 10 on the 1990's list, and there was a shift toward more of a traditional sound (Randy Travis gets credit for starting this a few years earlier, but there were other early-birds like Patty Loveless and Vince Gill) which led to a lot of exciting new music. And it's hard to last more than a decade at country radio, so a lot of those folks ran out of steam in the early 1990's. But it was fun while it lasted.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 25, 2008 11:17:37 GMT -5
I finally did my research... such a grim topic. Jim Reeves scored 2,514 points after he died, not even counting the 7-week #1 song that was in its 3rd chart week when his plane went down, even though I'm sure his dying gave that song a better chart run. So he had more or less Brad Paisley's whole career -- after his death. Almost enough to make the Whitburn top 100.
How did that happen? I wasn't listening then. Anyway, Hank Williams scored 900+ points after dying -- he had Rodney Atkins' whole career after he died. Keith Whitley had Josh Gracin's whole career after he died. Patsy Cline only had the Warren Brothers career.
So Eddy Arnold's posthumous 36 points leaves him with a long way to go. Of course all the others had tragic deaths at an early age, not quiet deaths at the age of 89. But if anybody can manage a second career, it's Eddy.
And it's odd to think that the Hank Williams song that reached #1 3 weeks after his death was... I'll Never Get Out of This World Alive.
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 8, 2008 11:09:21 GMT -5
I did get a sales brochure in the mail this week, and have seen that the recordresearch.com website has been updated, with the upcoming release of the next Top Country Songs book. It's listed as a release date for November, and would cover the chart data up to the week of August 30, 2008. That's certainly a lot sooner than what I was hoping (wanted the decade to be completed first, before the next book; at a minimum, they could have let 2008 be completed, instead of be 3/4's over).
I don't know if I'll get this book, with it only being three years and two months since the last one, if there's been enough "action" that has taken place since then. I need to have a look at the new Top Country Artists list, of course, to double-check/update my own list I've been tracking, as well as keeping this thread up to date. I might have a friend who could buy it, and I could just borrow it from him to check that list.
At any rate, I'll hopefully be able to check the new published list some time before the last week of December, when I was going to update this thread with the points totals for this year.
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Post by edwin1961 on Aug 9, 2008 5:29:48 GMT -5
I did get a sales brochure in the mail this week, and have seen that the recordresearch.com website has been updated, with the upcoming release of the next Top Country Songs book. It's listed as a release date for November, and would cover the chart data up to the week of August 30, 2008. That's certainly a lot sooner than what I was hoping (wanted the decade to be completed first, before the next book; at a minimum, they could have let 2008 be completed, instead of be 3/4's over). I don't know if I'll get this book, with it only being three years and two months since the last one, if there's been enough "action" that has taken place since then. I need to have a look at the new Top Country Artists list, of course, to double-check/update my own list I've been tracking, as well as keeping this thread up to date. I might have a friend who could buy it, and I could just borrow it from him to check that list. At any rate, I'll hopefully be able to check the new published list some time before the last week of December, when I was going to update this thread with the points totals for this year. Jon, I plan on buying the book when it comes out because when the 2005 book came out, the 2001 book had things in it that the 2005 book did not have. For example, the 2001 book had the longest songtitles that ever charted in one list. The 2005 book did not have this list. Also, the 2001 book had the position listed for a country song that hit the pop chart. The 2005 book does not have this. So, maybe the 2008 will be a combination of both of these features or even MORE features than the 2005 book. It may be worth your while anyway.
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Post by msm444 on Aug 10, 2008 5:19:31 GMT -5
I already have the book on pre-order. According to the sample page, the 2008 book will once again list pop chart positions. Jon, if you decide not to order the book, I can send you the new published list when it arrives.
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Post by smack on Aug 10, 2008 10:24:00 GMT -5
fyi guys....I live about a 2-3 min walk from Joel's office, he is NOT hiring last time I checked. I've also heard from various people who've met him, he is stuck up, arrogant, 6'8 and looks down at people both literally & figuratively. One thing that is nice about living here...I can go get a book that has a scratch on it and save $20 and get it in 2 mins. Also, I'm not 100% sold on his method of calculating singles. Take Jo Dee's Lesson in Leavin': #2 for 7 weeks, 34 total, giving it 164 pts. Stand beside me 3@#1, 32 total is 152, I'm alright 3@#1, 30 total is 150, That's the way 4@#1, 27 weeks is 157 pts. Yet he lists that's the way as her #1 song. Plus, if you really consider it, she was #2 7 weeks behind the longest #1 song in like 40 years, I think spent like 21 weeks in the top 10 alone. In other words, this song got more actual airplay than any of her other songs. Anyone else's thoughts?
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Post by smack on Aug 10, 2008 10:27:48 GMT -5
Oh, another thing...can you post a few of the other stats if you have them: most weeks @#1, most crossover hits (which is skewed due to all being able to chart now), most top 10 (GS should be top 4 now), most top 40 (gs should be about 11 or 12 now), most charted hits (again should be closing in on top 10). Thanks
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 11, 2008 9:49:37 GMT -5
I already have the book on pre-order. According to the sample page, the 2008 book will once again list pop chart positions. Jon, if you decide not to order the book, I can send you the new published list when it arrives. Be careful what you offer, msm444! I'll see if my friend ends up getting the book or not, and if I can just check his out. But if not, I might take you up on that, and might send you some questions about it through PM. In addition to what the list looks like in the book (would it be easiest if you could scan the list, and email it?), I'd probably have a few questions on how Joel handles listing duets and such. I saw on that sample page, that they are no longer listing the big Jimmy Buffett Hey Good Lookin' collaboration under Chesney's discography (along with Strait, Jackson, Black, and Toby). So that might subtract off a few points from the list. And they also list Reba's Every Other Weekend song for Kenny, so that might require a full number of points for Kenny (I had been giving him just 50%). There's a handful of other songs over the last few years that I also wonder how they'll be doling out points and "credit". It wouldn't be a complete mooching, as I'd offer to pay for the info by continuing to track and update the list on this thread in the future!
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 11, 2008 10:03:41 GMT -5
Oh, another thing...can you post a few of the other stats if you have them: most weeks @#1, most crossover hits (which is skewed due to all being able to chart now), most top 10 (GS should be top 4 now), most top 40 (gs should be about 11 or 12 now), most charted hits (again should be closing in on top 10). Thanks Here's what my lists look like, that I've been keeping up with. I've been posting a few of these in the Strait threads over the last year or so, but might as well put them all in one place here. I don't have the "crossover hits" being tracked, but the others should be here: Most career weeks at #1 on Billboard: 1. Eddy Arnold - 145 2. Webb Pierce - 111 3. George Strait - 83 4T. Buck Owens - 82 4T. Hank Williams - 82 6. Johnny Cash - 69 7. Sonny James - 66 8. Tim McGraw - 65 9. Marty Robbins - 63 10. Jim Reeves - 58 11T. Merle Haggard - 57 11T. Alan Jackson - 57 13. Hank Snow - 56 14. Kenny Chesney - 54 15. Conway Twitty - 52 16. Elvis - 50 17. Charley Pride - 49 18. Toby Keith - 48 19T. Ronnie Milsap - 47 19T. Ray Price - 47 19T. Al Dexter - 47 22T. Alabama - 40 22T. Red Foley - 40 24. Brooks and Dunn - 38 Most Billboard top 10s (hopefully Billboard will have a Chart Beat article this week confirming George's total, which I went ahead and updated, assuming Troubadour moved up from #11 to the top ten this week): 1. Eddy Arnold - 92 2. George Strait - 79 3. George Jones - 78 4. Conway Twitty - 75 5. Merle Haggard - 71 6. Ernest Tubb - 58 7T. Red Foley - 56 7T. Dolly Parton - 56 9. Reba McEntire - 55 10. Webb Pierce - 54 11. Waylon Jennings - 53 12T. Johnny Cash - 52 12T. Charley Pride - 52 14T. Loretta Lynn - 51 14T. Alabama - 51 14T. Jim Reeves - 51 17. Ronnie Milsap - 49 18. Alan Jackson - 48 19T. Buck Owens - 47 19T. Marty Robbins - 47 21. Ray Price - 46 22. Don Williams - 45 23T. Sonny James - 43 23T. Hank Snow - 43 25T. Willie Nelson - 42 25T. Hank Williams, Jr. - 42 27T. Faron Young - 41 27T. Tim McGraw - 41 29T. Tanya Tucker - 40 29T. Brooks and Dunn - 40 Most Billboard top 40s: 1. George Jones - 143 2. Eddy Arnold - 126 3. Johnny Cash - 101 4. George Strait - 88 5. Dolly Parton - 87 6. Conway Twitty - 85 7T. Waylon Jennings - 84 7T. Merle Haggard - 84 9. Ernest Tubb - 82 10T. Willie Nelson - 81 10T. Marty Robbins - 81 12T. Webb Pierce - 80 12T. Ray Price - 80 12T. Hank Williams, Jr. - 80 15. Reba McEntire - 78 16T. Buck Owens - 74 16T. Faron Young - 74 18T. Jim Reeves - 69 18T. Carl Smith - 69 20. Mel Tillis - 67 21. Loretta Lynn - 66 22T. Alabama - 65 22T. Hank Snow - 65 22T. Don Gibson - 65 25. Porter Wagoner - 64 26. Sonny James - 63 27. Joe Stampley - 62 28. Kitty Wells - 61 29T. Red Foley - 60 29T. Charlie Pride - 60 Most songs charting on Billboard: 1. George Jones - 167 2. Eddy Arnold - 147 3. Johnny Cash - 139 4. Willie Nelson - 122 5. Dolly Parton - 112 6. Ray Price - 109 7. George Strait - 108 8. Merle Haggard - 107 9. Hank Williams, Jr. - 106 10. Waylon Jennings - 100 11. Conway Twitty - 98 12. Webb Pierce - 96 13. Marty Robbins - 94 14. Carl Smith - 93 15T. Ernest Tubb - 92 15T. Reba McEntire - 92 17. Buck Owens - 90 18. Faron Young - 89 19T. Hank Snow - 85 19T. Elvis Presley - 85 21. Garth Brooks - 84 22. Don Gibson - 82 23T. Porter Wagoner - 81 23T. Kitty Wells - 81 25T. Jim Reeves - 80 25T. Bill Anderson - 80 27. Hank Thompson - 79 28T. Loretta Lynn - 78 28T. Alabama - 78 30T. Mel Tillis - 77 30T. Alan Jackson - 77 Hopefully Joel and I will agree on these lists, when his new book comes out in 3 months.
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Post by smack on Aug 11, 2008 18:39:20 GMT -5
thanks for the info..king george is really moving up...I'd still say in the next 10-12 years at his current pace, he could close in on #1 on just about everything, except most weeks @ #1. Kenny & Tim on #1 weeks...wowsers. Of course, nothing in the 80s was longer than 3 weeks, when George & Alabama had all their big songs. Had we had bds back then, I'd bet George would be #2 on #weeks @ #1, and Alabama would be pushing 80 weeks instead of in the 40s
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Post by dawhite76 on Aug 12, 2008 8:53:16 GMT -5
It's interesting that Whitburn credits Kenny Chesney for "Every Other Weekend." Billboard credited the song only to "Reba McEntire" since there were two versions - Chesney's from the album and the Skip Ewing version intended for airplay. This is not the first time I recall one of Whitburn's reference books contradicting what appeared on the actual Billboard chart. Since he claims to be the "authority," shouldn't he adhere to what Billboard published?
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Post by smack on Aug 16, 2008 10:19:01 GMT -5
couple of things based on my 2001 book + my memory: top 40 hits: #2 eddy went down 1? Most chart hits, 2001 Garth had 85, you list he now has 84. He's had probably 10+ since 2001 charting if not more. Also, you gave Dolly credit for a top 10 (duet w/ Brad P), but not top 40 hit according to my book. I'm wondering if Joel did some revisions in his 2004/5 book?
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Post by jebsib on Aug 16, 2008 21:35:38 GMT -5
Jonsolo, could you do me a favor & check your 2005 edition please:
Under Kenny Chesney, did they list "When the Sun Goes Down" as by "Kenny Chesney & Uncle Kracker" (as it does on the new sales brochure example), or as it is listed in the latest Top Pop Singles book: "(w/ Uncle Kracker)"
It seems like a small point, but I am really hoping that Joel W has reconsidered & is going back to listing artist names as they were officially listed, as opposed to just "w/" so & so. It ruined the latest Singles book, because sometimes on duets (and particularly on featured artists songs), you can't tell who the main artist is!
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Post by Jonsolo on Aug 16, 2008 23:00:12 GMT -5
Jonsolo, could you do me a favor & check your 2005 edition please: Under Kenny Chesney, did they list "When the Sun Goes Down" as by "Kenny Chesney & Uncle Kracker" (as it does on the new sales brochure example), or as it is listed in the latest Top Pop Singles book: "(w/ Uncle Kracker)" It seems like a small point, but I am really hoping that Joel W has reconsidered & is going back to listing artist names as they were officially listed, as opposed to just "w/" so & so. It ruined the latest Singles book, because sometimes on duets (and particularly on featured artists songs), you can't tell who the main artist is! They listed the song as: When The Sun Goes Down [w/ Uncle Kracker]
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Post by jebsib on Aug 17, 2008 0:03:55 GMT -5
Thank you!
Then I guess he's reversed policy & has started to list the "official" artist billings again...
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:35:47 GMT -5
Well, with the 12/27/08 chart now being released, we're through with 2008, and I can update Joel Whitburn's list of the Top Country Artists of all time, according to his published Hot Country Songs books (available at recordresearch.com). For the newbies to this thread, please check back on the earlier posts, and that should answer your questions as to how the point totals of each artist/song are calculated and accumulated.
I know there is a new edition of Joel's book on the way (the website was saying it'd be "in stock" December 16th, so presumably it's on the way out to customers, in time for Christmas). That book is going to cover all the songs that debuted on Billboard up to the 8/25/08 chart, and presumably what those songs had done on the charts by the time the book went to press, probably in October. So when people get that book, Joel's list in the back of the book will definitely not look like mine, which covers all the charts up to this week's.
I did keep a separate "points list", where I stopped adding songs after 8/25/08, and kept updating that list through October, which should be similar to what Joel came up with (just have to subtract the weeks after his "cut-off". Once I'm able to get my hands on his list from the new book, I'll go and see what we differ on, make corrections, and come back to this thread and make the changes to my list, probably after New Years.
There are a few questions, as to crediting certain songs to artists, that I'll be interested in seeing Joel's decisions. Among the artists in question, are Kenny Chesney on Reba's Every Other Weekend, the artists on Life In A Northern Town, Toby on Mica Roberts' Things A Mama Don't, Trisha Yearwood on Turner's Another Try, Vince Gill on B&D's Building Bridges, and so on. In the past, we've seen that Joel gives some "partial" credits for artists that are listed as "Featuring ..." or "with ..." on the Billboard chart, rather than the 100% point totals. In discussions with Zazie, we've decided on how to allocate those point percentages (50%, 40%, so on) on those songs, and we'll see how we were at guessing when we see Joel's list. That's also why you see some decimals for the totals for Vince Gill and Kenny Chesney. Hopefully Joel will help clarify matters, and I hope to get access to his list from the book by sometime in January.
At any rate, on to the numbers...
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:36:12 GMT -5
We'll stick with the "100-position" sections, with comments after each, to make this whole thing easier to digest.
#1 to #100:
1. (#1 at the end of 2007) Eddy Arnold – 12689 (36 points gained in '08) 2. (2) George Jones – 11922 3. (3) George Strait – 10215 (327) 4. (4) Johnny Cash – 9717 5. (5) Merle Haggard – 9165 6. (6) Conway Twitty – 9101 7. (7) Dolly Parton – 8392 (43) 8. (8) Willie Nelson – 8206 (31) 9. (9) Webb Pierce – 7975 10. (10) Ray Price – 7773 11. (11) Reba McEntire – 7761 (144) 12. (12) Buck Owens – 7492 13. (13) Waylon Jennings – 7491 14. (14) Marty Robbins – 7306 15. (15) Hank Williams Jr. – 7174 16. (16) Alabama – 6977 17. (17) Jim Reeves – 6843 18. (20) Alan Jackson – 6700 (279) 19. (18) Ernest Tubb – 6474 20. (19) Charley Pride – 6422 21. (21) Loretta Lynn – 6285 22. (22) Sonny James – 6205 23. (25) Garth Brooks – 6163 (90) 24. (23) Faron Young – 6115 25. (24) Hank Snow – 6088 26. (26) Ronnie Milsap – 6025 27. (27) Kenny Rogers – 6014 28. (28) Carl Smith – 5901 29. (30) Tim McGraw – 5841 (209) 30. (29) Tammy Wynette – 5836 31. (31) Bill Anderson – 5621 32. (36) Brooks & Dunn – 5419 (189) 33. (32) Mel Tillis – 5385 34. (33) Tanya Tucker – 5359 35. (34) Red Foley – 5326 36. (45) Kenny Chesney – 5310.5 (552.5) 37. (38) Elvis Presley – 5267 (70) 38. (35) Porter Wagoner – 5237 39. (42) Toby Keith – 5224 (386) 40. (37) Don Williams – 5211 41. (39) Kitty Wells – 5134 42. (40) Don Gibson – 5090 43. (41) Glen Campbell – 4971 44. (43) Statler Brothers – 4828 45. (44) Hank Thompson – 4813 46. (46) Steve Wariner – 4745 47. (47) Vince Gill – 4554.8 48. (48) Crystal Gayle – 4522 49. (49) Clint Black – 4500 (36) 50. (50) Hank Williams – 4395 51. (51) Jerry Lee Lewis – 4365 52. (52) Randy Travis – 4310 53. (53) David Houston – 4250 54. (54) Barbara Mandrell – 4217 55. (55) Oak Ridge Boys – 4217 56. (56) Bobby Bare – 4192 57. (57) Mickey Gilley – 4076 58. (58) Lynn Anderson – 4021 59. (59) Eddie Rabbitt – 3990 60. (60) Anne Murray – 3901 61. (61) Joe Stampley – 3866 62. (62) Dottie West – 3858 63. (63) John Anderson – 3810 64. (66) Martina McBride – 3808 (98) 65. (64) Emmylou Harris – 3801 66. (65) T.G. Sheppard – 3746 67. (67) Travis Tritt – 3698 68. (68) Sawyer Brown – 3608 69. (69) Bellamy Brothers – 3563 70. (70) Moe Bandy – 3537 71. (71) Tom T. Hall – 3536 72. (72) Billy Walker – 3493 73. (76) Faith Hill – 3486 (138) 74. (73) Earl Thomas Conley – 3482 75. (74) Patty Loveless – 3460 76. (75) Ferlin Husky – 3355 77. (84) Trisha Yearwood – 3303 (188) 78. (77) Johnny Paycheck – 3266 79. (78) Gene Watson – 3247 80. (79) Connie Smith – 3218 81. (80) Freddie Hart – 3209 82. (81) Mark Chesnutt – 3173 (9) 83. (82) Johnny Rodriguez – 3145 84. (83) Jerry Reed – 3116 85. (87) Tracy Lawrence – 3109 (91) 86. (85) Charlie Rich – 3084 87. (90) J.M. Montgomery – 3034 (51) 88. (86) Larry Gatlin & Bros. – 3031 89. (88) Ricky Skaggs – 3008 90. (92) Lonestar – 3006 (50) 91. (89) Janie Fricke – 2993 92. (91) Jim Ed Brown – 2963 93. (116) Rascal Flatts – 2953 (460) 94. (93) Lefty Frizzell – 2945 95. (94) Diamond Rio – 2938 96. (95) Joe Diffie – 2911 97. (121) Brad Paisley – 2829 (424) 98. (96) Collin Raye – 2826 99. (97) Vern Gosdin – 2815 100. (98) Eddy Raven – 2793
Notes on the Top 100:
- Two new entries into the top 100, and they come as no surprise to anyone.
- A milestone year for George Strait, as he became the third (and final?) artist to break through the 10,000 pt barrier, back in March. George remains a steady performer, with 327 pts during the year, following 333 in '07 and 295 in '06. He appears to be a solid bet to hit 11,000 in a little over three years, and could catch Jones in seven. I think the chances are now over 50% that he'll eventually do just that.
- Reba's on track to pass Ray Price and crack the all-time top ten by February, having employed the services of Chesney to make her Every Other Weekend a success, and hitching her trailer to B&D's Cowgirls Don't Cry. It's been over three years since her last solo hit, but she's at least finding alternate ways to make some headway on this list.
- Quite the comeback year for Alan Jackson, with two #1s (finally!) and another single acting like a top contender. He not only got past Ernest Tubb, he also made it past the halfway point in the large gap to Jim Reeves. He'll wind up close to Alabama in '09, and revives his previously-fading hopes at making the top 10 in four or five years (to boot back out Reba?).
- Garth Brooks went back underground, and we'll see if he has any interest in resurfacing later to try to catch Loretta Lynn.
- Tim(my) McGraw battled through more label hassles, to salvage his year in the last five months, surprisingly getting a big hit from Let It Go. He has his eyes trained on Hank Snow in '09, and the #25 position, but continued meddling from Curb (a 7th single from one album??!!) could easily derail him along the way.
- A decent year for Brooks & Dunn, with two strong singles, though they've yet to break that 3+ year #1-drought. They're now about two years behind the pace that McGraw is setting, which means they can attempt to catch Bill Anderson in '09, and Tammy Wynette in '10. But Kenny's going to catch them for sure next year...
- Though there are a few questions as to whether I'm crediting Kenny Chesney correctly for his involvement on Every Other Weekend (50% of Reba's total, which hopefully the new Whitburn book will clarify), it's indisputable that he's the current king of racking up Whitpoints. Not content with his 547-pt haul from '07, Kenny bettered that with 552.5 in '08. That's what four charting album cuts, two #1s, one #2, and two top 15s (one Reba's, the other one his current single) can do for you. Ten positions gained in '07, nine in '08.
Many artists lined up for him to pass next year as well, and a sure bet for him to catch Bill Anderson and B&D for #31. You wouldn't think he'd be able to bust out a third consecutive 500-pt year to catch Tammy Wynette as well, but there's no telling with him.
- Elvis makes the smart decision to release an album of Christmas duets, and will thus cash in with enough to possibly get himself past Red Foley. Now if he only hadn't decided to overdose on the toilet. I guess you win some, you lose some...
- Toby Keith might not be anywhere close to being as automatic with hits as he used to be, and Kenny's leaving him in the dust, but he still plays the Whitburn point game right (Christmas songs back in January, on the Mica Roberts charting song...). After a 382 point '07, he betters himself with 386 this year. He can't keep up with Chesney, but he's aiming for the space between Mel Tillis and Bill Anderson, #33, next year.
- Martina McBride and Faith Hill eke out some points at the end of the year, with a new album and some Christmas tunes, respectively. They continue to be pushed to the background by CarrieTaylor. I said last year at this time that Martina was shooting for #60 and Faith for #70 in '08. Well, better luck with those goals in '09!
- Tracy Lawrence, John M Montgomery, and Lonestar put up a few points, to ensure that they'll still be in the top 100 for years to come, but are about to be mowed down by the crossfire between the fiercest battle on the Whitlist, which is between...
- ...Brad Paisley and Rascal Flatts. Brad won the first eleven months of the year, besting each of the Flatts' singles with his own, but then the Flatts cash in with Christmas songs for a 153-point December, to re-take the lead, and win the point battle for the year, 460 to 424. And with Here looking like a sure-#1, and Start A Band a question mark (and uncertainty of what Brad will do next with his instrumental album), look for the Flatts to pull further ahead early in '09. But Brad's a cinch to win the eventual war, of course (Brad's headed for the top 25 before he's done, I believe). Both get over 3000 next year, and with RF aiming for #80, and Brad #83.
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:36:37 GMT -5
#101 to #200:
101. (102) Clay Walker – 2792 (51) 102. (99) Billy Craddock – 2787 103. (100) Lee Greenwood – 2774 104. (101) John Conlee – 2756 105. (103) Kathy Mattea – 2733 106. (104) Stonewall Jackson – 2721 107. (105) Lorrie Morgan – 2709 108. (106) Del Reeves – 2666 109. (107) Roy Drusky – 2658 110. (108) Dwight Yoakam – 2656 111. (109) Dave Dudley – 2629 112. (110) Roger Miller – 2624 113. (111) Jean Shepard – 2612 114. (112) Shania Twain – 2597 115. (113) Charly McClain – 2553 116. (114) The Judds – 2529 117. (115) Donna Fargo – 2517 118. (131) Keith Urban – 2432 (245) 119. (117) Roy Clark – 2427 120. (118) Ronnie McDowell – 2420 121. (119) Bob Wills – 2418 122. (120) Ricky Van Shelton – 2405 123. (122) Tracy Byrd – 2377 124. (123) Skeeter Davis – 2353 125. (124) George Hamilton IV – 2334 126. (125) Jack Greene – 2295 127. (126) Mel McDaniel – 2290 128. (127) Johnny Duncan – 2253 129. (128) Dan Seals – 2250 130. (145) Trace Adkins – 2240 (175) 131. (129) Kendalls – 2235 132. (130) Sammy Kershaw – 2209 133. (132) Nitty Gritty Dirt Band – 2174 134. (133) Aaron Tippin – 2173 135. (134) Jimmy Wakely – 2171 136. (135) Restless Heart – 2167 137. (136) Dixie Chicks – 2161 138. (137) Roseanne Cash – 2145 139. (138) Shenandoah – 2141 140. (139) Tennessee Ernie Ford – 2126 141. (140) Johnny Lee – 2107 142. (141) Gary Morris – 2107 143. (147) Jo Dee Messina – 2106 (60) 144. (142) Gene Autry – 2101 145. (143) Pam Tillis – 2092 146. (144) Wynonna – 2092 147. (170) Montgomery Gentry – 2077 (279) 148. (152) Leann Rimes – 2063 (57) 149. (146) Jimmy Newman – 2047 150. (148) Hank Locklin – 2044 151. (149) Wilburn Brothers – 2019 152. (150) George Morgan – 2015 153. (151) Neal McCoy – 2013 154. (153) Slim Whitman – 1996 155. (154) Al Dexter – 1996 156. (155) Tommy Overstreet – 1995 157. (156) Ed Bruce – 1993 158. (157) Billie Jo Spears – 1993 159. (158) Nat Stuckey – 1989 160. (159) Mary C. Carpenter – 1959 161. (160) Exile – 1952 162. (161) Narvel Felts – 1947 163. (176) Gary Allan – 1922 (172) 164. (162) Michael M. Murphey – 1911 165. (163) Razzy Bailey – 1908 166. (164) Tex Ritter – 1901 167. (165) Bob Luman – 1882 168. (166) Doug Stone – 1870 169. (177) Sara Evans – 1857 (133) 170. (172) Terri Clark – 1835 (48) 171. (167) Sammy Smith – 1814 172. (168) Rex Allen Jr. – 1811 173. (169) Brenda Lee – 1799 174. (171) Marty Stuart – 1797 175. (173) Freddy Weller – 1784 176. (174) Jerry Wallace – 1761 177. (175) Claude King – 1754 178. (184) Lee Ann Womack – 1720 (73) 179. (178) Billy Dean – 1717 180. (179) Tex Williams – 1715 181. (180) Juice Newton – 1688 182. (181) David Rogers – 1675 183. (182) Linda Ronstadt – 1673 184. (183) Wynn Stewart – 1670 185. (185) Cal Smith – 1644 186. (186) Jan Howard – 1644 187. (187) Forester Sisters – 1636 188. (195) Billy Ray Cyrus – 1635 (81) 189. (188) Red Sovine – 1621 190. (189) Susan Raye – 1616 191. (190) Lacy J. Dalton – 1614 192. (191) Keith Whitley – 1573 193. (192) Mark Wills – 1571 194. (193) Ray Stevens – 1566 195. (194) Kenny Price – 1558 196. (196) Mac Davis – 1545 197. (197) Rodney Crowell – 1541 198. (198) Warner Mack – 1538 199. (199) T. Graham Brown – 1538 200. (200) Dickey Lee – 1527
Notes on #101 to #200:
- No new entries into the top 200 this year, but as you'll see later on, there should be several in '09.
- Clay Walker did get into the top 100 in April, but Brad and RF booted him back out in November. He should be able to get back in during '09.
- Keith Urban had a nice return to prominence, breaking his three year #1-drought. With two songs currently in the top 20 and maybe also headed to #1, he'll shoot for #105 this year, with an eye toward the top 100 in early '10.
- Trace Adkins struck gold with a big #1, and is looking like a solid bet to hit the top 100 within four years.
- Montgomery Gentry also looks top 100-bound, and could very well beat Trace there. Back-to-back #1s for the first time make their future look bright. They'll get to #130 in '09 (coincidentally, where Trace is right now).
- Gary Allan had a positive year, nearly getting a #1, and will pass 2000 points in '09, and get into the top 150. I'm still not ready to say he's for sure headed into the top 100 thus far (especially since the total he'll need will be 2900 pts (Joe Diffie), by that time, with the bar being raised with each entry before him).
- Sara Evans and Lee Ann Womack also looking for oxygen in the cold vacuum of space created by CarrieTaylor. At least they are locks to eventually reach the top 140 or so.
- With no Miley around, Billy Ray Cyrus will have trouble getting noticed. With or without Miley, Mark Wills will continue to be ignored.
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:37:01 GMT -5
#201 to #300:
201. (201) Sylvia – 1527 202. (202) Charlie Daniels – 1525 203. (203) Margo Smith – 1519 204. (204) Wanda Jackson – 1512 205. (205) Jimmy Dean – 1505 206. (206) David Frizzell – 1498 207. (207) John Denver – 1495 208. (208) Charlie Louvin – 1465 209. (209) Highway 101 – 1464 210. (210) Melba Montgomery – 1449 211. (211) Louise Mandrell – 1446 212. (212) Little Texas – 1440 213. (213) Holly Dunn – 1437 214. (237) Phil Vassar – 1437 (144) 215. (214) Lee Roy Parnell – 1428 216. (215) Suzy Bogguss – 1419 217. (216) Freddie Fender – 1402 218. (217) Everly Brothers – 1402 219. (218) Leon Everette – 1400 220. (219) Gary Stewart – 1399 221. (220) The Browns – 1398 222. (221) Dave & Sugar – 1391 223. (222) Mel Street – 1390 224. (223) Gail Davis – 1388 225. (224) Patsy Cline – 1388 226. (281) Carrie Underwood – 1388 (403) 227. (225) Barbara Fairchild – 1386 228. (226) Jeannie Seely – 1386 229. (263) Blake Shelton – 1361 (213) 230. (227) Jody Miller – 1348 231. (228) Ernest Ashworth – 1342 232. (229) Johnny Carver – 1337 233. (230) Bobby G. Rice – 1321 234. (231) Shelly West – 1307 235. (232) Bryan White – 1303 236. (233) David Allan Coe – 1302 237. (234) Blackhawk – 1301 238. (235) Merle Travis – 1300 239. (236) John Schneider – 1298 240. (269) Dierks Bentley – 1287 (203) 241. (238) Jacky Ward – 1283 242. (297) Sugarland – 1278 (356) 243. (239) Claude Gray – 1269 244. (240) Cowboy Copas – 1267 245. (241) Ty Herndon – 1265 246. (242) Jeannie C. Riley – 1263 247. (243) Johnny Russell – 1262 248. (244) Tompall & Glaser – 1252 249. (245) John Berry – 1252 250. (246) Marie Osmond – 1246 251. (247) Con Hunley – 1242 252. (248) Charlie Walker – 1241 253. (249) John Wesley Ryles – 1235 254. (250) Paul Overstreet – 1216 255. (251) Johnny Horton – 1216 256. (252) K.T. Oslin – 1214 257. (253) Flatt & Scruggs – 1212 258. (260) Darryl Worley – 1208 (46) 259. (254) Hal Ketchum – 1206 260. (255) Desert Rose Band – 1205 261. (256) Cristy Lane – 1202 262. (257) Jeanne Pruett – 1199 263. (266) Joe Nichols – 1185 (70) 264. (258) Helen Cornelius – 1183 265. (273) Craig Morgan – 1167 (110) 266. (259) Bobby Goldsboro – 1165 267. (261) Norma Jean – 1160 268. (262) Bobby Lewis – 1156 269. (264) Billy Joe Royal – 1145 270. (265) SheDaisy – 1119 271. (267) Jim Glaser – 1089 272. (268) Little Jimmy Dickens – 1085 273. (270) Randy Barlow – 1072 274. (271) Johnnie & Jack – 1067 275. (272) B.J. Thomas – 1060 276. (274) Andy Griggs – 1043 277. (275) Leroy Van Dyke – 1042 278. (276) Olivia Newton John – 1038 279. (283) Gretchen Wilson – 1031 (52) 280. (-) Taylor Swift - 1014 (532) 281. (277) Confederate Railroad – 1003 282. (278) Pee Wee King – 999 283. (279) Johnny Bush – 994 284. (280) Wade Hayes – 986 285. (282) Dick Curless – 981 286. (334) Rodney Atkins - 980 (171) 287. (284) Southern Pacific – 978 288. (285) Buddy Alan – 972 289. (286) Chely Wright – 968 290. (287) Rick Trevino – 964 291. (288) Jimmy Buffett – 962 292. (289) Ricochet – 959 293. (290) Margaret Whiting – 953 294. (316) Chris Cagle – 948 (87) 295. (291) Tommy Cash – 946 296. (292) Ray Griff – 940 297. (293) Elton Britt – 939 298. (303) Steve Holy – 935 (31) 299. (294) David Lee Murphy – 930 300. (295) Red Steagall – 927
Notes on #201 to #300:
- Four new entries into the top 300, one huge, one medium-sized, and two small.
- Phil Vassar turned in good year, for him, and only needs a top 5 hit to reach the top 200. If that's what he posts next, he'd beat Carrie there. But don't hold your breath. He'll be satisfied just making it there with a second charting song by the end of '09.
- Carrie Underwood continues the impressive start to her career, and has averaged over 400 points a year from '06 to '08. #180 and 1740 pts is what she's eyeing for '09 (Incoming, Lee Ann!!).
- Blake did well, unearthing a #1, and could find himself contending for the top 200 by the end of '09. After Carrie and Sugarland pass him, he's got a decent chance to be the next entry, fighting it out for that distinction with Phil and Dierks.
- Dierks Bentley hanging with the gals as best he can, but will instead concentrate on competing with Blake on who gets to the top 200 first. 1500 would seem to be in range for him in '09, especially if Fire is headed to #1.
- Sugarland would like to move up faster and compete with Carrie, but they need more "extra" charting songs, like they got with Life In A Northern Town. Should we expect some Christmas songs next year? Since Carrie and Taylor are tapping that reservoir on a regular basis, they might as well take their shot. They're looking at the top 200 by October.
- Darryl Worley and Joe Nichols are being left in the dust, and Craig Morgan should pass them shortly. Craig's got a new song on the way, and is hoping for 1350 and thus #230 next year.
- Taylor Swift more than doubled her career Whit pt total during '08 (second highest gain of the year, just behind Kenny), and broke through both the top 400 and 300. She's continuing to keep up with Carrie's gains, and is about 12 months behind her pace. Taylor should threaten the #225 position by the time she turns 20 next December, and 1400 pts. What will her 20s hold in store?
- Rodney Atkins might have crashed and burned badly with Invisibly Shaken, but with a big #1 at the beginning of last year, and with what looks to be a potential top contender in early '09 with America, he's chugging along nicely. He was the second entry into the top 300 in '08. He'll hope that America is the catalyst that sends him toward #260 next year.
- Chris Cagle was the third entry into the top 300, and appears to be celebrating his big top 5 hit in '08 by beginning another four or five years of doing zilch, with the two follow-up singles going nowhere.
- And getting into the top 300 just under the wire, with a song debut on the final chart week of the year, was Steve Holy. I don't really have anything else to say about him....
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:37:25 GMT -5
#301 to #400:
301. (296) Mundo Earwood – 926 302. (298) Patti Page – 918 303. (299) Roy Acuff – 918 304. (300) Alison Krauss – 910 305. (301) Deborah Allen – 909 306. (302) The Whites – 908 307. (304) Susie Allanson – 903 308. (305) Carl Butler & Pearl – 898 309. (306) Roy Head – 887 310. (307) Bill Phillips – 887 311. (308) Mark Collie – 885 312. (309) Bobby Helms – 884 313. (310) Tom Jones – 882 314. (311) Rose Maddox – 881 315. (339) Pat Green – 879 (77) 316. (312) Deana Carter – 878 317. (313) Henson Cargill – 870 318. (314) Don King – 864 319. (315) Bonnie Guitar – 863 320. (317) Liz Anderson – 859 321. (318) Johnny & Jonie Mosby – 846 322. (319) Johnny Darrell – 842 323. (320) Louvin Brothers – 840 324. (321) David Wills – 837 325. (322) Osbourne Brothers – 834 326. (323) Glenn Barber – 829 327. (324) Lionel Cartwright – 826 328. (342) Jamie O'Neal – 824 (35) 329. (325) Sweethearts of the Rodeo – 822 330. (326) Asleep at the Wheel – 822 331. (327) The Carlisles – 820 332. (328) Sons of the Pioneers – 819 333. (382) Josh Turner - 819 (146) 334. (329) Daryle Singletary – 818 335. (330) Wayne Kemp – 817 336. (331) Stephanie Winslow – 816 337. (332) McBride & the Ride – 814 338. (333) Lois Johnson – 814 339. (364) Billy Currington - 810 (82) 340. (335) Kenny Dale – 807 341. (336) Diana Trask – 804 342. (337) Baillie & the Boys – 803 343. (338) Jessi Colter – 802 344. (340) Arlene Harden – 801 345. (343) Big & Rich - 800 (11) 346. (341) J Blanchard/ Morgan – 797 347. (344) Billy Swan – 783 348. (345) Skip Ewing – 781 349. (346) Dean Dillon – 779 350. (347) Carl Perkins – 775 351. (348) Floyd Tillman – 775 352. (349) Rhett Akins – 766 353. (350) Wilma Burgess – 765 354. (351) June Carter – 764 355. (352) C.W. McCall – 763 356. (353) Chris LeDoux – 758 357. (354) Tommy Collins – 757 358. (355) Michael Johnson – 757 359. (356) Carlene Carter – 751 360. (357) David Ball – 751 361. (358) Debby Boone – 750 362. (359) Ray Charles – 749 363. (360) Jeff Carson – 748 364. (378) Emerson Drive - 742 (55) 365. (361) Johnny Bond – 741 366. (362) Mindy McCready – 736 367. (372) Jessica Andrews – 731 (33) 368. (363) Bobby Wright – 730 369. (365) Moon Mullican – 727 370. (366) Mark Gray – 722 371. (418) Josh Gracin - 719 (142) 372. (367) Lari White – 714 373. (368) Judy Rodman – 709 374. (369) Mavericks – 704 375. (370) Chad Brock – 703 376. (371) Dottsy – 702 377. (373) Little David Wilkens – 695 378. (374) Marion Worth – 690 379. (375) Zella Lehr – 687 380. (376) Stella Parton – 687 381. (377) Ted Daffan – 687 382. (379) Doug Supernaw – 685 383. (380) Linda Davis – 680 384. (381) La Costa – 678 385. (383) Lyle Lovett – 672 386. (430) Little Big Town - 672 (119) 387. (384) Larry Boone – 667 388. (385) Jim Nesbitt – 665 389. (386) Joe Sun – 664 390. (387) Sheb Wooley – 664 391. (388) Hoyt Axton – 662 392. (389) Margie Singleton – 657 393. (390) Sherry Bryce – 656 394. (391) Robin Lee – 655 395. (392) Ray Pillow – 654 396. (393) R.C. Bannon – 653 397. (394) Terri Gibbs – 649 398. (395) Roy Rogers – 649 399. (396) Radney Foster – 645 400. (397) Peggy Sue – 635
Notes on #301 to #400:
- There were three new entries into the top 400 this year (one was Taylor, already discussed, who didn't hang out in this section for very long), much less than the seven who made it in '07.
- Pat Green continues his long slog toward the top 300. He'd be moving a lot faster if he'd be able to score a top 10 for once, but doesn't seem capable of recapturing that Wave On Wave magic. If Let Me has done enough now to warrant a second single from his new album, that would get him there.
- Josh Turner has gained just enough from his two follow-ups to Firecracker, to make it likely that he'll be getting the 100 points in '09 that he'll need to make the top 300.
- Billy Currington's doing well with Don't, and the next single should also put him in track to come close to the top 300 in '09, if not make it.
- I guess Big & Rich were satisfied with their nice and round point total, and have gone on vacation.
- Still waiting for the hype of Emerson Drive's new single to translate into chart success. They'll have to wait until '10 for a shot at the top 300 anyway.
- Josh Gracin entered the top 400, and has a new single that could do very well (i.e., reach the top ten before its 40th week on the chart...). He'll aim for #340 next year, and then have an outside shot at the top 300 by the end of '10.
- Little Big Town was the third top 400 entry, helping themselves greatly with some Life In A Northern Town points. They're not acting like they want more top ten hits, but are still trying to make some noise.
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:37:42 GMT -5
#401 to #453:
401. (398) Ned Miller – 635 402. (409) Lila McCann – 634 (31) 403. (-) Jimmy Wayne - 634 (193) 404. (399) Keith Stegall – 626 405. (-) Jason Aldean - 626 (154) 406. (400) Billy Parker – 619 407. (401) Bobby Borchers – 619 408. (402) Jimmie Skinner – 619 409. (403) Tony Booth – 615 410. (404) T Texas Tyler – 615 411. (405) Michael Peterson – 615 412. (406) Johnny Wright – 608 413. (407) Spade Cooley – 606 414. (408) Jack Reno – 604 415. (410) Big Al Downing – 599 416. (411) Foster & Lloyd – 599 417. (412) Hawkshaw Hawkins – 599 418. (413) Mary Lou Turner – 592 419. (414) Becky Hobbs – 588 420. (415) Burl Ives – 586 421. (416) Charlie McCoy – 584 422. (417) Mike Reid – 582 423. (419) Trick Pony – 576 424. (420) O'Kanes – 575 425. (421) Ronnie Sessions – 572 426. (422) Paul Brandt – 570 427. (423) Kris Kristofferson – 569 428. (424) Dorsey Burnette – 567 429. (425) Penny DeHaven – 564 430. (426) Tom Wopat – 563 431. (427) Kentucky Headhunters – 560 432. (428) Darrell McCall - 555 433. (429) Bill Monroe - 552 434. (431) Carl Belew - 550 435. (-) Jack Ingram - 549 (82) 436. (432) Ray Sanders - 547 437. (433) Wilma Lee & Stoney Cooper - 547 438. (-) Miranda Lambert - 547 (153) 439. (434) Hugh X. Lewis - 543 440. (435) Stoney Edwards - 542 441. (436) Lane Brody - 539 442. (-) Keith Anderson - 539 (164) 443. (437) Leon Ashley - 538 444. (438) LaWanda Lindsey - 537 445. (439) SKO - 533 446. (440) Sonny Curtis - 530 447. (441) Mason Dixon - 527 448. (442) Ricky Nelson - 526 449. (443) Doug Kershaw/Rusty - 522 450. (444) Bandana - 519 451. (445) Brian Collins - 515 452. (446) Warren Brothers - 511 453. (447) Kenny Starr - 509
And the Contenders for the ranked portion of the Whitburn list:
Sherrie Austin - 491 Carolyn Dawn Johnson - 439 Steve Azar - 424 Kellie Pickler - 388 James Otto - 386 Jeff Bates - 384 Jake Owen - 353 Blaine Larsen - 326 Cross Canadian Ragweed - 326 Trent Willmon - 298 Blue County - 286 Amy Dalley - 282
Notes on #401 on down:
Looks like there's two artists sure to make the top 400 in '09, and a trio of other contenders who could make it if they find a big hit.
- Jimmy Wayne and Jason Aldean will make the top 400 by the end of February, and we'll see how long they can compete closely with each other. I'd probably give the long term edge to Aldean.
- Jack Ingram, Miranda Lambert, and Keith Anderson also form a small trio, and might compete with each other for the time being in seeing who's the third to make it to the top 400 this year. Keith Anderson probably has the most career momentum (if it wasn't destroyed by Somebody Needs A Hug), so he should get there first, followed by Miranda and then Jack. Probably two of those three make it to the top 400 this year, or four total.
- I started tracking Kellie Pickler, James Otto, and Jake Owen this year, as they appear on track to at least contend for the top 400 two years down the road. I'll also be keeping an eye on Luke Bryan, Eric Church, and Jason Michael Carroll in the new year.
And that will do it. As I said, I should be back in a month after I see Joel's actual list, and make adjustments. But I or Zazie can answer (or make up the answers) to any and all questions that you have, about the numbers here. And I'll also plan on bringing the thread back at the end of June '09, for a status report on some of the big moves that take place during the first half of next year.
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:37:59 GMT -5
And now, here were the top point gainers during the year (remember, 300 is a great year...):
1. Kenny Chesney - 552.5 2. Taylor Swift - 532 3. Rascal Flatts - 460 4. Brad Paisley - 424 5. Carrie Underwood - 403 6. Toby Keith - 386 7. Sugarland - 356 8. George Strait - 327 9T. Alan Jackson - 279 9T. Montgomery Gentry - 279 11. Keith Urban - 245 12. Blake Shelton - 213 13. Tim McGraw - 209 14. Dierks Bentley - 203 15. Jimmy Wayne - 193 16. Brooks & Dunn - 189 17. Trisha Yearwood - 188 18. Trace Adkins - 175 19. Gary Allan - 172 20. Rodney Atkins - 171
Kenny's a master at racking up the points, but Taylor was right there with him. If she had gotten a couple of more weeks at #1 with Love Story she'd have caught him.
Rascal's 153-pt December vaulted them up to #3 right at the end.
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Post by Jonsolo on Dec 17, 2008 22:38:17 GMT -5
And, as I posted back in June, here's an update on the top point gainers of this decade (with 9 of the 10 years complete):
1. Kenny Chesney - 3972 2. Toby Keith - 3510 3. Tim McGraw - 3197 4. Rascal Flatts - 2953 5. George Strait - 2794 6. Brad Paisley - 2613 7. Alan Jackson - 2481 8. Keith Urban - 2432 9. Brooks & Dunn - 2294 10. Montgomery Gentry - 1906 11. Martina McBride - 1885 12. Lonestar - 1850 13. Faith Hill - 1626 14. Trace Adkins - 1574 15. Sara Evans - 1502 16. Gary Allan - 1489 17. Phil Vassar - 1437 18. Carrie Underwood - 1388 19. Dixie Chicks - 1375 20. Blake Shelton - 1361 21. Garth Brooks - 1305 22. Dierks Bentley - 1287 23. Sugarland - 1278 24. Jo Dee Messina - 1247 25. Darryl Worley - 1208 26. Reba McEntire - 1206 27. Joe Nichols - 1185 28. Craig Morgan - 1167 29. Leann Rimes - 1134 30. Gretchen Wilson - 1031 31. Taylor Swift - 1014
The list is starting to solidify, with one more year left, but there's still some spots in the top ten that aren't set. If Brad didn't have an instrumental album out right now, and a more clear path for more charting songs, he'd have a small shot at catching George. As is, looks like George is definitely in the top five. Keith's two charting songs right now could close the gap rapidly on AJ, who needs at least one #1 in '09, along with two more high peakers, to have a chance of holding him off.
Mont Gentry should be safe for their #10 position. Faith pulls some Christmas songs out of the bag to get ahead of Trace, but he should be able to chase her back down. But can Faith and Trace both hold off Carrie, who has her eyes set on that #13 position? If she gets 400 pts next year, they'll have to manage 150 and 200 point years to hold on, and keep her back to #15.
Sugarland's also looking at getting into the top 20, and Taylor will probably wind up around #22, assuming she has another 400+ year in her.
One note on George Strait. He'll probably end the decade with about 10500 career points on the main list, or 2200 behind Eddy Arnold, and 1400 behind George Jones. So, if the point totals remain consistent for the respective rankings for the next decade (quite an assumption, I agree), George would then need to rank around #9 or #10 for the decade of the '10s to catch Eddy, and around #20 for the decade to catch Jones.
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Post by bigbluenote on Dec 18, 2008 3:36:42 GMT -5
Thanks for all of those numbers and statistics. It is all very interesting. Can't wait for Reba to get into the top 10. And I'm still hoping for the day that George takes the top spot. Hopefully it happens before he decides to retire.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Dec 18, 2008 5:34:50 GMT -5
Always love this post with the updates! Very interesting and enjoyable to look at. Will be interested to see what happens with Emerson Drive, Rascal Flatts, and Carrie Underwood in 2009.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Dec 18, 2008 7:15:53 GMT -5
Thanks so much, Jonsolo! I always look forward to your updates on this thread. Really interesting stuff!
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Post by Zazie on Dec 18, 2008 10:10:22 GMT -5
So you're telling me that Elvis is dead? I don't like the way you just slipped that in there. He's still scoring Whitpoints, dammit. The evidence is on my side.
Great series of posts, and I always enjoy seeing an update of the top artists of the decade. Carrie's amazingly high on that list, considering how late she started racking up the hits.
MODIFIED because I just noticed that, with a little bit less than a 500 point year, Kenny Chesney will have scored more Whitpoints in a decade than anybody but Webb Pierce in the 50's, Buck Owens in the 60's, and Garth and King George in the 90's. Not that he's a sure thing to score 500, but he's certainly a candidate to get there -- he's chasing Eddy Arnold's 4447 from the 60's.
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Post by Marv on Dec 18, 2008 23:29:29 GMT -5
2008 will go down as the worst chart year Tim McGraw has had since 1994, with no songs in the Mediabase year-end top 50, and just one (Let It Go) on BBs year-end top 50.
Toby performed marginally better, including a #1 single, so 2009 is going to be really interesting to follow for both of them.
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Post by smack on Dec 21, 2008 23:10:14 GMT -5
Jonsolo---do you think pts will be slowed down considerably now since of bb;'s new recurent rule, ie taylor only charting 12 weeks on a #1, kenny 16 weeks etc? Thanks for all the hard work...should I walk over to Whitburn's office & see if he's hiring? He's probably ready to retire, I think he is about 70
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