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Post by sabre14 on May 28, 2015 18:13:43 GMT -5
This one will go recurrent on Monday's Billboard chart if it doesn't re-bullet, and right now I don't think it will. Gary lost 23 spins and almost 200k in audience in today's MB update. This song might already be recurrent by the time the video comes out...if it even comes out at all (as I noted above, they shot a video for this song about 1 1/2 weeks ago). I agree this one is probably finished in terms of doing anything substantial from here on in. "Hangover Tonight" has now lost 454k in audience on MB since Sunday and has nearly fallen out of the top 50 of MB's rolling chart. The only reason this kept a bullet on this past week's MB chart is because Gary managed three measly spins. Only a small handful of stations have Gary's song in medium rotation and the rest have "Hangover Tonight" in lower rotation. This song was just released at an awful time as Gary's song got absolutely buried among all the significant releases.
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Post by sabre14 on May 30, 2015 23:50:30 GMT -5
Sorry for a double post but I went to see Gary tonight in concert and a couple of interesting things I took away. First, before Gary played "Hangover Tonight", he mentioned they filmed the video for this recently (which was of course pointed out earlier by jhomes87) and he mentioned his new album would likely be out in the late summer. He hinted at the fact that "Hangover Tonight" isn't exactly going according to plan in terms of success right now and used the word "eventually" for the new music. Not a surprise but I could definitely tell Gary knew that "Hangover Tonight" was near the end of its road. He also played three new tracks off his new album: "Mess Me Up" "High As I've Ever Been" "'Til It Felt Like You" "Mess Me Up" sounded like a radio-friendly hit to me and I'm a little surprised they didn't go with it as the lead single; loved the song. "High As I've Ever Been" sounded like something that would have been on his Living Hard or Get Off On The Pain album, and "'Til It Felt Like You" was quintessential Gary. That sounded like something off his Alright Guy or See If I Care album. The latter was probably my favorite but all three were great. I typed some of the chorus lyrics of "High As I've Ever Been" and "'Til It Felt Like You". :) "High As I've Ever Been" "I get wasted on the taste of your kiss Nothin' ever makes feel like this Girl get me high Take me as high, as high as I've ever been""'Til It Felt Like You" "I was caught up in the moment She was something that I wanted 'Til it felt like you"
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jun 1, 2015 21:11:20 GMT -5
"Hangover Tonight" has gone officially recurrent on Billboard tonight.
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Post by someguy on Jun 1, 2015 21:15:46 GMT -5
"Hangover Tonight" has gone officially recurrent on Billboard tonight. How disappointing. Hopefully he will be able to make the top 40 with his next single.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 21:16:55 GMT -5
Just ouch! While I didn't care for the song it's a shame it was off to a hot start and then it crashed. How sad.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 21:26:54 GMT -5
I was debating for a while whether this would go recurrent on Billboard tonight but it ultimately wasn't a surprise. "Hangover Tonight" only kept a bullet on MB because of the 3 spin increase, even though it lost 343k in audience (along with 115 points). Gary basically broke even today with his MB update and I do think that while this one hasn't given up the fight yet, Billboard made the right call here.
The music video was just shot but it appears to have come far too late. I'm positive one of the three songs Gary performed when I saw him on Saturday will be the next single and that the most likely one will be "Mess Me Up".
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Post by someguy on Jun 1, 2015 21:41:02 GMT -5
After hearing the new songs, do you think that any of them could do better than "Hangover Tonight" at radio?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 21:46:25 GMT -5
After hearing the new songs, do you think that any of them could do better than "Hangover Tonight" at radio? i was at the same concert as sabre14 so I can safely say that of the 4 songs total so far from his new album that Hangover Tonight is definitely the most "out there". Two of them, "Mess Me Up" and "High As I've Ever Been" sounded both way more commercially friendly as well as sounded more like something Gary would cut, which is something I felt that Hangover Tonight lacked. I think that either of those two could work much better, although I'm not sure if it matters ultimately, Gary's getting too "old" for radio and has never been a consistent hitmaker anyway :(
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 21:46:52 GMT -5
After hearing the new songs, do you think that any of them could do better than "Hangover Tonight" at radio? "Hangover Tonight" looking back was a risk as a lead single and the overcrowded chart only hurt Gary. Yeah stations added it but nobody put it in heavy rotation and most had it in low rotation. I think "Mess Me Up" should have been the second single. There's a similar theme to the song but it definitely is different. I think this might have been another case of wanting to release something pretty different than what is expected and that goes for so many artist now and days. I'm actually getting a little fatigued by artists releasing vastly different sounding singles as leads, and while Gary's was not nearly as drastic as let's say Jake's "Real Life" or Rhett's "Crash And Burn", I think "Mess Me Up" was the better call here. Gary's radio career is towards the end of the road, though I do think he'll get a couple more moderate hits. I expect "Mess Me Up" or any of the other songs to do better, but that's with some caution in my voice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 21:50:51 GMT -5
Gary basically broke even today with his MB update and I do think that while this one hasn't given up the fight yet, Billboard made the right call here. Not to be nitpicky, but Billboard didn't really make a call here. They simply followed the rule that they set forth: any song that goes bullet-less for 3 consecutive weeks (so long as it's not still within the top 10) will go recurrent. If this had been a 21+ week-old song that hadn't gotten a grace week and Billboard decided to send it recurrent, then yeah, that would be them 'making a call' (to send it recurrent instead of giving it a grace week). But this was not. Gary needed to re-bullet or he'd be gone. I'm not entirely surprised that "Hangover Tonight" couldn't re-bullet, but then again, it's last 3-4 days on Mediabase clearly showed that MCA was still pushing it. As of today's Mediabase update, Gary's bullet is 22 (and that correlates to the 7-day Billboard tracking week), and I figured that that'd be enough for him to get his bullet back on Billboard as well (even though he saw a slight decrease in MB audience). But I guess it wasn't to be. We'll have to wait and see if MCA will keep pushing this in hopes that it could re-enter on Billboard.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 21:56:57 GMT -5
Gary basically broke even today with his MB update and I do think that while this one hasn't given up the fight yet, Billboard made the right call here. Not to be nitpicky, but Billboard didn't really make a call here. They simply followed the rule that they set forth: any song that goes bullet-less for 3 consecutive weeks (so long as it's not still within the top 10) will go recurrent. If this had been a 21+ week-old song that hadn't gotten a grace week and Billboard decided to go recurrent, then yeah, that would be them 'making a call' (to send it recurrent instead of giving it a grace week). But this was not. Gary needed to re-bullet or he'd be gone. I'm not entirely surprised that "Hangover Tonight" couldn't re-bullet, but then again, it's last 3-4 days on Mediabase clearly showed that MCA was still pushing it. As of today's Mediabase update, Gary's bullet is 22 (and that correlates to the 7-day Billboard tracking week), and I figured that that'd be enough for him to get his bullet back on Billboard as well (even though he saw a slight decrease in MB audience). But I guess it wasn't to be. We'll have to wait and see if MCA will keep pushing this in hopes that it could re-enter on Billboard. We all have some "nitpicky" in us, lol. Right, he clearly went bulletless, so I guess the call was made by Billboard's rules and not necessarily a call itself. MCA is definitely still pushing this song but there is just no payoff so far with radio. Stations just do not want to bump Gary's song in any kind of increased rotation. It really looks sad when you look at the leaders for "Hangover Tonight' and see the unimpressive audience totals for the seven day period. KILT is by far the leader at 216k in audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 22:08:24 GMT -5
MCA is definitely still pushing this song but there is just no payoff so far with radio. I guess what I meant is, with the song now recurrent on Billboard (meaning MCA's efforts over the last few days came up short, as Gary was unable to eek out a bullet), perhaps MCA will drop it, and it'll start to decrease on Mediabase this week as well. The next few MB updates should tell us if they're going to stick with it or not. My guess is that they will, simply because they did shoot a video for it, but you never know. Sometimes the video never gets released if the song bombs (same thing happens with albums). But even if this were to rebound a little bit, I can't see it making the MB top 40.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 22:15:48 GMT -5
MCA is definitely still pushing this song but there is just no payoff so far with radio. I guess what I meant is, with the song now recurrent on Billboard (meaning MCA's efforts over the last few days came up short, as Gary was unable to eek out a bullet), perhaps MCA will drop it, and it'll start to decrease on Mediabase this week as well. The next few MB updates should tell us if they're going to stick with it or not. My guess is that they will, simply because they did shoot a video for it, but you never know. Sometimes the video never gets released if the song bombs (same thing happens with albums). But even if this were to rebound a little bit, I can't see it making the MB top 40. Oh I absolutely knew what you meant and my speculation was just the same as yours. This will definitely not make the MB top 40 and the video would be the only thing they would have reason to fight for. Gary had a real sarcastic way about him when he made reference to this video and his new music. He looked like he knew this was finished and "well we shot a video, so whatever" kind of mood about him, lol; at least that's what I thought he was thinking.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 3, 2015 11:28:03 GMT -5
I thought that the reason that Gary was losing favor at radio was because his catalog is so dreary — even Every Storm had a melancholy feel to it, which had me surprised that it was a fluke hit — but the total failure of this song, which is about as far from dreary as possible, shot that theory down.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 11, 2015 13:34:38 GMT -5
The music video appears to be the only reason MCA is sticking with this, on MB. It already went recurrent on Billboard and its still just floating in the 40's on MB, not doing much of anything. "Hangover Tonight" has lost over 100k in audience this week and has lost over 200k the past week and a half. It's peak audience was over 4.1 million a few weeks back and now it sits with just under 2.8 million in total audience. Gary's not getting any help from W1 or any major station as 180k is the highest audience total of any spin leader for this song.
I know the music video cost resources to shoot but I wish they would have had a more realistic look about this single's future. I already believe this was the wrong single decision and now this is just sad to see a song from one of my favorite artists (probably favorite), just meandering the desolate wasteland that is the 40's of the MB chart.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Jun 11, 2015 14:47:46 GMT -5
I can't say I hate to see this fail. I like Gary's music for the most part , but this song is so beneath him. If you have to record music like this just to stay "relevant" at radio for a few more songs , is it really worth it?
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Post by rocketman3257 on Jun 12, 2015 16:02:12 GMT -5
I am not saying this is the best Gary Allan song. I believe it is as good as some of the songs that are in the top 20. I heard it live yesterday at the cma festival. There were several thousand's of fan's there. I think it was well received as some of his biggest hit's were. The video has been released and I want to see how it does on CMT and GAC. Fan voting will decide it's fate there.
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Post by Zazie on Jun 12, 2015 21:49:07 GMT -5
Up 12 spins and 70k in audience on this morning's MB update -- two more days like this, and BB will have to consider re-entering the song, in light of the video appearing and the label apparently is still backing the song. (Why they're doing it, if they are, is another question.) There's a reasonable chance the song winds up with enough of a gain in audience to justify a re-entry, at least that's the case if it has two more good days in a row. I imagine they will only consider a re-entry if the song posts 200k or more in audience gain for the week.
I'm a big Allan fan, but even I can't see the point in this song being a high priority for the label. I'm only saying that something "could" happen, not "should."
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Edited to say no, it didn't happen, no big gain this morning, instead a smallish loss. Forget the re-entry possibilities and let's move on to a new and hopefully stronger single.
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Post by trebor on Jun 13, 2015 13:49:15 GMT -5
Here is the official video:
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 18, 2015 13:01:18 GMT -5
"Hangover Tonight" is mercifully done on MB. Gary lost 64 more spins and over 200k in audience today (158 spins and 500k in audience lost since Sunday). Gary went without a bullet on the past two MB charts, so this will officially go recurrent on MB come Sunday afternoon (6/21). It of course already went recurrent on Billboard.
Hopefully the next single is "Mess Me Up", which Gary has been performing at his live shows this year.
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Post by rocketman3257 on Jun 18, 2015 14:37:21 GMT -5
I saw Gary at the CMA Festival. When he played Hangover tonight. Many of the fan's were dancing and singing along. I believe it's another case of radio ignoring a potential big hit. I am not surprised after It ain't the whiskey in 2013. The video for Whiskey made the top 5 on Country video station's. Fan's voting decide's this not Big Corporation's. I just hope radio doe's better on his next single. Mess me Up would be a good pick. I would hate to see Gary go out this way. He has been probally the most underated country singer of our time. He is one of the best live act's I have ever seen.
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Post by dm2081 on Jun 18, 2015 16:35:01 GMT -5
I saw Gary at the CMA Festival. When he played Hangover tonight. Many of the fan's were dancing and singing along. I believe it's another case of radio ignoring a potential big hit. I am not surprised after It ain't the whiskey in 2013. The video for Whiskey made the top 5 on Country video station's. Fan's voting decide's this not Big Corporation's. I just hope radio doe's better on his next single. Mess me Up would be a good pick. I would hate to see Gary go out this way. He has been probally the most underated country singer of our time. He is one of the best live act's I have ever seen. It's hard to say radio ignored this "potential big hit" when the sales were so absolutely dreadful. Obviously it wasn't in high rotation or anything, so it wasn't going to sell anywhere near the top 100 songs, but for most if it's chart run it couldn't even crack the top 1,500 songs on iTunes, which is just awful if we're being honest. Most songs that are going to be big hits start showing early signs of strong sales when they're charting in the 40's, which is where this song was charting. I think this song was worthy to crack the top 30, as I don't see this song getting too many negative callout scores, but this really never sold or even buzzed like a future #1 hit, so I can't say that I'm surprised by this outcome. If the sales were strong like say Reba's current hit right now are then I'd say you have a case.
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Post by rocketman3257 on Jun 19, 2015 19:24:05 GMT -5
I wonder how a song is going to sell. when a good portion of country fan's have not heard it. I live close to Nashville Tennessee. The two station's that added it only played it in the late night or early morning hour's. A good example is I asked about 20 people at work. only one had even heard the song played on the radio. These people all country fan's and most agree Gary is one of the better singer's in Country music.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 19, 2015 19:57:07 GMT -5
I wonder how a song is going to sell. when a good portion of country fan's have not heard it. I live close to Nashville Tennessee. The two station's that added it only played it in the late night or early morning hour's. A good example is I asked about 20 people at work. only one had even heard the song played on the radio. These people all country fan's and most agree Gary is one of the better singer's in Country music. There is definitely truth to that but when you consider "Hangover Tonight" wasn't even in the top 1500 of the all-genre chart, that's an indicator of asong not selling well, even with limited airplay. Gary's song was being outsold by artists like Drake White, Austin Webb and LoCash with similar airplay and that's alarming. Now, in the case of Drake White and LoCash, they have been significantly aided by The Highway, while Gary's song wasn't - something to keep in mind. Another tally towards your argument is "Hangover Tonight's" allocated spins were basically overnight hours with all stations playing it having it in light rotation, whereas let's say "I Love This Life" (which has gotten just 16 more spins over the past seven days than "Hangover Tonight") is currently in medium to heavy rotation in a half dozen stations, with significant spins allocated to the p.m. hours. This chart run is indicative of an artist who radio is gradually pushing off the airwaves (much like Toby Keith has seen over recent years) by country radio. Stations add songs by Gary and Toby, even to respectable numbers (113 stations for "Hangover Tonight"/84 stations for "35 mph Town"), but only keep them in light rotation, while newer artists who are chasing their targeted demo is bumped to medium to heavy rotation to maximize on their sales and audience. Most stations basically threw Gary a bone by adding his song to their playlist, but that's pretty much where the help ended. In the end though like dm2081 said, "Hangover Tonight" still did not have a good sales to spin ratio, even with not really being helped out by the stations spinning Gary's single.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 20:58:27 GMT -5
I 100% stand by the fact that this would have SMASHED hard had it been sung by any other male artist in Country music.
A damn shame, too, because Gary is so far and above his peers it's unbelievable.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 19, 2015 23:01:32 GMT -5
I'm a fair bit disappointed this one didn't catch on. I know Gary Allan is quite popular here, but he's never been one of my favorites, though I have liked several of his hits over the years, and I quite like this one and personally think it is far better than "Every Storm" and I'm a little surprised that caught on so well but this one couldn't. It wasn't showing early signs of being a big digital hit, but I would've liked to at least have seen this do about as well as "Pieces" did maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 3:36:34 GMT -5
Normally I wouldn't bump up an older thread, but since this hasn't been recurrent too long, I figured this post would go best here. I just took a special new music survey for Gary on Rate the Music. Both sabre14 and zack97 mentioned 3 songs at the top of the page that they heard Gary play in concert at the end of May: "Mess Me Up", "High As I've Ever Been", and "'Til It Felt Like You". Two of those songs -- "High As I've Ever Been" and "Mess Me Up" -- were in the survey. The survey was 4 songs total; the other 2 songs were "Don't Wanna Hear Another Sad Song" and "Drinkin' About You". 1) "High As I've Ever Been" - 3:45 in length. Mid/uptempo. Chorus: I'm as high as I've ever been[couldn't make out the 2nd line] Blown away baby, blown away crazy I get wasted on the taste of your kiss Nothin' ever makes me feel like this Girl, what a ride, take me as high as I've ever been A solid song, but it didn't exactly scream "hit" either. I also thought his vocals sounded a bit tinny/processed, but maybe that was just the RTM stream. 2) "Mess Me Up" - 3:41 in length. Verses were more mid-tempo, chorus is uptempo. I like this one a bit better than "High As I've Ever Been". It has some really nice touches in the production -- some steel guitar, slide guitar, even some piano. However, "Mess Me Up" doesn't exactly sound like an undeniable hit either. I mean, it sounds fairly radio-friendly, but it wasn't nearly as instant as, say, "Watching Airplanes" or "Every Storm (Runs Out Of Rain)". 3) "Don't Wanna Hear Another Sad Song" - 3:20 in length. Really interesting production at the beginning. Not a fan of the lyrics though. "I don't wanna hear another sad song"? Who brainwashed Gary into singing this one? The first verse talks about all the sad songs on the radio...uh, what station are you listening to there Gar? Because there really aren't any sad songs on today's country radio. It's all happy/party/summer stuff. I like the melody and the production quite a bit, but these lyrics just aren't the Gary I know. Sad songs are his bread and butter. Safe to say that, overall, I did NOT like this one (again, aside from the melody and production, which are actually somewhat pleasing). 4) "Drinkin' About You" - 3:37 in length. Ah, here's the Gary I missed. This isn't one of the absolute best songs I've ever heard from him, but it's easily the best out of this batch. It's a good song and yet it also sounds like a radio song (although I thought the same about "Hangover Tonight" so what do I know). Really great production here. I'm not sure how to describe it, but it sounds really cool, and it definitely sounds like Jay Joyce. It's got that gritty country/rock sound that suits Gary perfectly. Again, more of an uptempo, but it's got that sad/bittersweet feeling to it that Gary does so well. Lyrically/thematically it reminds me a bit of Tim McGraw's "For A Little While", but perhaps a bit more bittersweet than that one is. The hook is "I'm drinkin' 'bout you" instead of "I'm dreaming about you". It's not the best hook ever but I thought it worked pretty well in the context of the song. A few lyrics: Well the sun goes up and it goes back down in this town It just ain't the same since you ain't been around^^these 2 lines were the opening and closing lyrics. Waves hit the shore like memories in the sand I'm sittin' right here with a strong one in my handThe chorus: And I'm drinkin' 'bout you All night long Fillin' my cup Singin' our song I'm seein' you smile And I'm smilin' right back To all the good times I'm raisin' my glass And I'm drinkin' 'bout youAlso, the 2nd verse name-drops George Strait and "Amarillo By Morning", but in a tasteful/fitting way. Oh, and one other thing, on the "you" in "drinkin' bout you", he goes up into a higher/falsetto note, and he sounds really good.
It's extremely likely that MCA will release one of these 4 songs as Gary's new single later this year -- hence why they're asking for feedback now, for these 4 songs and not any others. My vote would easily be for "Drinkin' About You". "Mess Me Up" is a distant 2nd, followed by "High As I've Ever Been" and then "Don't Wanna Hear Another Sad Song". I actually can't believe Gary recorded that last one.. I think both "Mess Me Up" and "High As I've Ever Been" are pretty good, but "Drinkin' About You" is easily my favorite of the 3. I think it's the most quality one (of the 4), and I also think it's the most 'radio-friendly' one.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 10, 2015 13:42:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up jhomes87. I need to check RateTheMusic more often; I tend to forget about it, especially when most weeks are just the same old "new music surveys." This survey only solidified the fact I think "Hangover Tonight" was mistake as a lead single. I concur that "Drinkin About You" is fantastic, as is "Mess Me Up." One of those two should be the next single, no question. I however don't think "Drinkin' About You" is that much a better option than "Mess Me Up." The progression of "Mess Me Up" is the definition of what will work at radio and the instrumentals are great. The production on both songs is top notch, especially "Drinkin' About You." Right now I'd give the slightest of edges to "Drinkin' About You", but it's razor close if you as me; I'd be happy with either one. "High As I've Ever Been" is a great song as well. I echo the fact that it doesn't sound like a radio hit, and certainly would not be my choice for the next single. The production and instrumentals are very well done and I would love hearing this one when (if, lol) his album comes out. As for "I Don't Wanna Hear Another Sad Song", I agree I don't care for the premise of the lyrics (there are no sad songs on the radio anymore, at all), but I don't think that the lyrics are so much about radio, but rather the narrator's heartbreak. I can actually relate to that sometimes, for not being in the mood for a sad song if it hurts too much. I guess I got a different vibe from the lyrics than you did jhomes87, but that's okay, lol. The production is interesting but I still enjoy it. Again though, I wouldn't chose this as Gary's next radio single. I'm crossing every finger I have they choose "Mess Me Up" or "Drinkin' About You." The survey ends on July 23rd, so I'm assuming the single announcement will be in early August with an add date in late August or early September.
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Post by kim8 on Jul 10, 2015 16:15:00 GMT -5
Cool. Can't wait for some new music. My friend just went to a show and I think he though Mess Me Up was the next single. He also said Gary said the album would be out late summer. Whenever it gets here, I'll be more than ready!
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 10, 2015 16:25:33 GMT -5
Cool. Can't wait for some new music. My friend just went to a show and I think he though Mess Me Up was the next single. He also said Gary said the album would be out late summer. Whenever it gets here, I'll be more than ready! I highly doubt it will ultimately be a late summer release (he referenced the same thing when I saw him in May) since the single announcement won't be for another month or so and by then we'll only have about a month left in the summer. Most likely later this year, assuming things can go according to plan with this next single. I still think "Mess Me Up" has the leg up on "Drinkin' About You" since Gary's been playing that one at his concerts; though who knows, perhaps the reception isn't as enthused as they would like and one of the other songs gets a great reaction on the RTM survey. After hearing the songs, I'd be shocked if it wasn't "Mess Me Up" or "Drinkin' About You."
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