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Post by ry4n on Mar 29, 2015 19:05:02 GMT -5
All I know is that before I started following charts, I had never heard of "One Sweet Day" before.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Mar 29, 2015 19:14:57 GMT -5
All I know is that before I started following charts, I had never heard of "One Sweet Day" before. me either |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 19:18:16 GMT -5
All I know is that before I started following charts, I had never heard of "One Sweet Day" before. Same |
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Post by Gary on Mar 29, 2015 19:22:43 GMT -5
I don't think there was a singles deletion with this. it had a 33 week run at radio and a 27 week run on the hot 100
What happened was that it had a 6 week build up at radio before the single was released to allow it to debut at #1, The radio chart run and Hot 100 chart run ended at the same time.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 29, 2015 19:44:25 GMT -5
OSD was huge when it was out. Played non stop on radio back then.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Mar 29, 2015 20:02:21 GMT -5
^^ and then it was used for Dedications on Casey's Top 40. I'm still tired of it now unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 20:07:20 GMT -5
All this hand wringing over a stat.
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Post by godjanny on Mar 29, 2015 20:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 29, 2015 21:25:39 GMT -5
I take the whole "dark era" pretty much from 1993-1998 when so many major hits were not eligible to chart, with a grain of salt - I mean "I'll be missing you" spent 11 weeks at #1 and didn't even make the Mainstream Top 10. Yes, it did well on R&B Hip-hop, but Foolish Games and Fly were far bigger hits. Foolish Games (Batman Remix) was able to chart because the album version was on the CD single of YWMFM, which was long sold out. Same with "Un-break My Heart," "Don't Speak" was everywhere except H100. If you look at radio, there were so many giant hits that defined that era. OSD spent several weeks at the top on radio as well, but it definitely benefited from the fact that so few singles were being issued. Looking at the various radio components (and the B200) is a far better way historically to gauge what was popular than the H100. One Sweet Day was huge though. Even on radio. On pop it was #1 for 9 weeks, I think, which even back then was a lengthy time. It just didn't have a super long chart life once it finally dropped out (and of course, it flew fast to #1 so its life before that was short too.) Think of My Heart Will Go On. That song spent nearly half of its chart life at #1. I'd say it's probably deserving of its title of longest running #1 only because at the time it had such an extended peak. The only thing is that the record could have been broken shortly after by some of the songs mentioned like Iris or whatever. Also be careful with saying songs are bigger hits. It's easy to say in hindsight that Foolish Games or Iris or Don't Speak are bigger hits than One Sweet Day but at the time, it wasn't so clear cut. The Hot 100 only measures week-to-week. I'm not dismissing OSD's legitimacy, but using it as an example of a bigger chart issue. As I mentioned, "OSD spent several weeks at the top on radio as well." It doesn't change the fact the H100 was pretty much a joke. After all, many songs started their first week in peak positions (the week they released a physical single - unless there were SDV), often dropping because singles were quickly deleted/limited and then just kind of hung around, climbing back up a little based on airplay, etc. Meanwhile, so many of the huge hits that were on radio, didn't even chart. The charts were not fun to watch back then because so much was missing. If UF ties or gets record, it's not big deal - it definitely has been killing it on all three components and is a multiformat monster. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 29, 2015 22:18:18 GMT -5
The biggest hits of the 90s can't be defined by the Hot 100 because simply as been said the Hot 100 excluded many of the decades biggest hits. That being said, One Sweet Day was a hit in both sales and airplay regardless of whether or not others had singles deleted or not released at all. In this case the single was delayed so it could debut at #1 but it was available throughout.
11 weeks at #1 on the sales chart, 13 weeks at #1 in airplay. 16 weeks at #1 Hot 100.
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Post by dajross6 on Mar 30, 2015 0:25:54 GMT -5
The Hot 100 in the mid to late 90s was mostly based on radio airplay, but radio-only songs were not allowed to chart. I'm not sure what the ratio was, but there weren't THAT many singles being sold (compared to today). Sometimes labels would release a single on a limited basis just to chart on the Hot 100 with radio airplay. Yeah, it was a stupid rule and a dumb way to compile a chart, but the charts were more fun to follow than they are now. There's maybe one song new to the top ten every week now? Pshaw.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 30, 2015 1:55:15 GMT -5
I'm not buying people saying that OSD wasn't a huge hit back in the day but it's also astonishingly forgotten one compared to other 10 wks+ hits I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 2:30:01 GMT -5
BBHMM back to #1 on iTunes :( I believe it was performed somewhere. I wonder how long this effect will last. Either way, Uptown Funk will have tied Low's record this week. I'm not so sure it can beat it now if BBHMM ends up doing better than I expected. I can see it having a run similar to that of Problem with high initial sales and good performance thereafter.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Mar 30, 2015 4:15:27 GMT -5
BBHMM back to #1 on iTunes :( I believe it was performed somewhere. I wonder how long this effect will last. Either way, Uptown Funk will have tied Low's record this week. I'm not so sure it can beat it now if BBHMM ends up doing better than I expected. I can see it having a run similar to that of Problem with high initial sales and good performance thereafter. the sales difference is very small. BBHMM is 1.00 and Uptown Funk is at .9780 without the second version. There's literally nothing to worry about. I'm saying it has 200k at best |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 4:48:46 GMT -5
BBHMM back to #1 on iTunes :( I believe it was performed somewhere. I wonder how long this effect will last. Either way, Uptown Funk will have tied Low's record this week. I'm not so sure it can beat it now if BBHMM ends up doing better than I expected. I can see it having a run similar to that of Problem with high initial sales and good performance thereafter. the sales difference is very small. BBHMM is 1.00 and Uptown Funk is at .9780 without the second version. There's literally nothing to worry about. I'm saying it has 200k at best But if BBHMM keeps it up this coming week then it will be #1 in sales on 4/18 |
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2015 5:59:27 GMT -5
It's very subjective to decide whether One Sweet Day memorable or not, deserved to get those 16 weeks at no.1 or not.
But no doubt, it was huge chart-wise, so many weeks at #1 sales and airplay during its chart run
But as a huge Mariah's fan, the song is not amng her signature hits, but not orgotten imo, it's just that Mariah overshadows it with her other more famous hits.
I don't mind Uptown Funk breaks the record cos it also rules sales and airplay (plus streaming). Records are meant to be broken.
Chart succesful hits are not always =famous and memorable hits
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Post by badrobot on Mar 30, 2015 7:44:00 GMT -5
Couldn't we just look at sales/airplay figures after initial chart runs were well over to be less subjective about the durability of hits?
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Post by BlueSwan on Mar 30, 2015 8:05:25 GMT -5
One question. I wasn't following the US charts that closely in the late 90s. I absolutely LOVE "Foolish Games", but was it really that big? Jewel was never big in Europe and I thought that You Were Meant For Me was the big US single?
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Post by Gary on Mar 30, 2015 8:15:12 GMT -5
It charted top 10 as the B single to You Were Meant For Me. The two singles together amounted to a monster chart run.
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Post by BlueSwan on Mar 30, 2015 8:20:27 GMT -5
It charted top 10 as the B single to You Were Meant For Me. The two singles together amounted to a monster chart run. Yes! It is just that someone in this thread referred specifically to "Foolish Games" as being huge. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 30, 2015 8:21:23 GMT -5
You Were Meant For Me/Foolish Games was huge. Separately, less so.
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Post by brady47 on Mar 30, 2015 8:30:06 GMT -5
I take the whole "dark era" pretty much from 1993-1998 when so many major hits were not eligible to chart, with a grain of salt - I mean "I'll be missing you" spent 11 weeks at #1 and didn't even make the Mainstream Top 10. Yes, it did well on R&B Hip-hop, but Foolish Games and Fly were far bigger hits. Foolish Games (Batman Remix) was able to chart because the album version was on the CD single of YWMFM, which was long sold out. Same with "Un-break My Heart," "Don't Speak" was everywhere except H100. If you look at radio, there were so many giant hits that defined that era. OSD spent several weeks at the top on radio as well, but it definitely benefited from the fact that so few singles were being issued. Looking at the various radio components (and the B200) is a far better way historically to gauge what was popular than the H100. One Sweet Day was huge though. Even on radio. On pop it was #1 for 9 weeks, I think, which even back then was a lengthy time. It just didn't have a super long chart life once it finally dropped out (and of course, it flew fast to #1 so its life before that was short too.) Think of My Heart Will Go On. That song spent nearly half of its chart life at #1. I'd say it's probably deserving of its title of longest running #1 only because at the time it had such an extended peak. The only thing is that the record could have been broken shortly after by some of the songs mentioned like Iris or whatever. Also be careful with saying songs are bigger hits. It's easy to say in hindsight that Foolish Games or Iris or Don't Speak are bigger hits than One Sweet Day but at the time, it wasn't so clear cut. The Hot 100 only measures week-to-week. Lose Yourself by Eminem in 2002-2003 also spent more than half its chart run at #1 - 12 weeks at #1 and 23 weeks in total on the Hot 100. Edit: Oops, didn't realize Mark G. posted the exact same thing XD |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 30, 2015 8:30:33 GMT -5
Both were #1 pop radio hits separately. I think Foolish Games actually spent more time at #1 than You Were Meant For Me (someone can confirm this) but had a shorter overall chart run and YWMFM might have had stronger competition. I'm pretty sure You Were Meant For Me remains her biggest hit though. Plus it was #1 for the year on Radio & Records in 1997.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 30, 2015 8:33:40 GMT -5
One Sweet Day was huge though. Even on radio. On pop it was #1 for 9 weeks, I think, which even back then was a lengthy time. It just didn't have a super long chart life once it finally dropped out (and of course, it flew fast to #1 so its life before that was short too.) Think of My Heart Will Go On. That song spent nearly half of its chart life at #1. I'd say it's probably deserving of its title of longest running #1 only because at the time it had such an extended peak. The only thing is that the record could have been broken shortly after by some of the songs mentioned like Iris or whatever. Also be careful with saying songs are bigger hits. It's easy to say in hindsight that Foolish Games or Iris or Don't Speak are bigger hits than One Sweet Day but at the time, it wasn't so clear cut. The Hot 100 only measures week-to-week. Lose Yourself by Eminem in 2002-2003 also spent more than half its chart run at #1 - 12 weeks at #1 and 23 weeks in total on the Hot 100. Did it drop out from the recurrent rule? Why the short chart life, I wonder? I guess being a soundtrack single that occurred in the middle of his own Eminem Show album era might have hindered its potential for a longer chart life but then I think Lose Yourself is regarded as one of, if not his biggest hit overall. I think in hindsight, perception plays a huge role in what we see as what is considered to be a *big* hit. Is One Sweet Day technically a bigger hit than Lose Yourself, even though Lose Yourself has had a bigger impact as a whole? I guess it comes down to the age-old question of What is a hit and how is it defined? |
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Post by brady47 on Mar 30, 2015 8:49:50 GMT -5
Lose Yourself by Eminem in 2002-2003 also spent more than half its chart run at #1 - 12 weeks at #1 and 23 weeks in total on the Hot 100. Did it drop out from the recurrent rule? Why the short chart life, I wonder? I guess being a soundtrack single that occurred in the middle of his own Eminem Show album era might have hindered its potential for a longer chart life but then I think Lose Yourself is regarded as one of, if not his biggest hit overall. I think in hindsight, perception plays a huge role in what we see as what is considered to be a *big* hit. Is One Sweet Day technically a bigger hit than Lose Yourself, even though Lose Yourself has had a bigger impact as a whole? I guess it comes down to the age-old question of What is a hit and how is it defined? I'm not really sure - I mean it climbed to #1 so fast, 12 weeks at #1, then dropped 1-9 the next week and just bolted out of the chart. I think it might have been due to how huge the 8 mile film was, and films usually have big peaks but don't really need longevity. I think airplay was the biggest factor - despite it's 11 weeks at #1 on radio songs, it was only the 77th most listened to song of the decade. And you're 100% right, at that time, it might've looked like it would just be a forgotten hit because of it's speedy exit, but that judgment would be totally wrong looking at it now - it's really remembered and holding up extremely well 10+ years later. It definitely feels bigger than being the "27th biggest single of the 2000s" - it's already sold 6 million digital copies which is huge for a single released prior to the digital era that hits like We Belong Together, Yeah, Gold Digger or Let Me Love You weren't able to do. I mean if Lose Yourself was able to sell 6 million digital sales years after it was released, I can only imagine how different it's chart run would be if it was released during the digital era. |
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Post by Daniel Collins on Mar 30, 2015 9:04:52 GMT -5
2015/03/30
*** = dropped or added a format
1. MARK RONSON - Uptown Funk f/Bruno Mars: 226.969 (-1.667)
2. MAROON 5 - Sugar: 177.865 (+0.162) ▲
3. TAYLOR SWIFT - Style: 176.223 (-0.476) ▲
4. ED SHEERAN - Thinking Out Loud: 176.021 (-3.235) ▼
5. ELLIE GOULDING - Love Me Like You Do: 154.022 (+1.171)
6. PITBULL - Time Of Our Lives f/Ne-Yo: 124.306 (-3.405)
7. THE WEEKND - Earned It: 112.824 (+2.643)
8. NATALIE LA ROSE - Somebody f/Jeremih: 103.642 (+0.372) ▲
9. RIHANNA/KANYE WEST/P MCCARTNEY - FourFiveSeconds: 102.471 (-1.835) ▼
10. TAYLOR SWIFT - Blank Space: 100.568 (-1.138)
11. NICKI MINAJ - Truffle Butter f/Drake...: 82.539 (-0.636)
12. ZAC BROWN BAND - Homegrown: 75.486 (+0.661)
13. CHRIS BROWN & TYGA - Ayo: 75.428 (+1.119)
14. ARIANA GRANDE - One Last Time: 74.271 (+0.360) ▲
15. DARIUS RUCKER - Homegrown Honey: 74.060 (-0.212) ▼
16. CHRIS YOUNG - Lonely Eyes: 72.607 (+0.522)
17. SAM HUNT - Take Your Time: 72.571 (+0.659)
18. CALVIN HARRIS - Outside f/Ellie Goulding: 66.135 (-1.255)
19. COLE SWINDELL - Ain't Worth The Whiskey: 65.173 (-1.640) ▲
20. HOZIER - Take Me To Church: 65.144 (-1.909) ▼
21. KELLY CLARKSON - Heartbeat Song: 64.550 (+0.114)
22. LEE BRICE - Drinking Class: 63.834 (+0.169)
23. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 63.337 (+1.911)
24. SAM SMITH - I'm Not The Only One: 60.603 (-0.512)
25. DIERKS BENTLEY - Say You Do: 60.580 (+0.628)
26. FLO RIDA - GDFR f/Sage The Gemini: 60.533 (+0.752)
27. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 58.788 (+1.466)
28. MEGHAN TRAINOR - Lips Are Movin: 54.648 (-1.521***)
29. KEITH URBAN - Raise 'Em Up f/Eric Church: 53.325 (-0.014)
30. ZEDD - I Want You To Know f/S. Gomez: 53.101 (-0.013) ▲
31. VANCE JOY - Riptide: 51.538 (-0.278) ▲
32. USHER - I Don't Mind f/Juicy J: 51.337 (-1.873) ▼
33. ONE DIRECTION - Night Changes: 50.286 (-0.380)
34. NICK JONAS - Chains: 49.411 (-0.802)
35. SAM SMITH - Stay With Me: 49.338 (+0.241) ▲
36. TYLER FARR - A Guy Walks Into A Bar: 48.994 (+0.577) ▲
37. NICK JONAS - Jealous: 48.108 (-0.560)
38. BRETT ELDREDGE - Mean To Me: 47.236 (-1.868) ▼
39. FETTY WAP - Trap Queen: 46.661 (+3.377***) ▲
40. RAE SREMMURD - Tho Sum Mo f/Nicki Minaj: 45.233 (+0.116)
41. LILLYWOOD & ROBIN SCHULZ - Prayer In C: 43.808 (-2.399) ▼
42. NICO & VINZ - Am I Wrong: 42.482 (-0.106) ▲
43. BILLY CURRINGTON - Don't It: 41.721 (+0.750) ▲
44. NE-YO - She Knows f/Juicy J: 41.295 (-2.161) ▼
45. A THOUSAND HORSES - Smoke: 40.801 (+0.012) ▲
46. IMAGINE DRAGONS - I Bet My Life: 40.003 (-0.029) ▲
47. MAROON 5 - Animals: 39.878 (-0.471)
48. KENNY CHESNEY - Wild Child w/Grace Potter: 38.936 (-0.102) ▲
49. JASON ALDEAN - Just Gettin' Started: 38.900 (-2.998) ▼
50. TIM MCGRAW - Diamond Rings And Old...: 36.961 (+0.261) ▲
51. TAYLOR SWIFT - Shake It Off: 36.931 (-1.003) ▼
52. JAKE OWEN - What We Ain't Got: 34.768 (-0.343)
53. FALL OUT BOY - Centuries: 34.014 (-1.091)
54. ELLA HENDERSON - Ghost: 33.224 (-1.434)
55. SAM SMITH - Lay Me Down: 33.188 (+1.019) ▲
56. LUKE BRYAN - I See You: 33.061 (-0.727) ▼
57. FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Sippin' On Fire: 32.621 (+0.566) ▲
58. MAGIC! - Rude: 32.276 (-0.189) ▼
59. MIRANDA LAMBERT - Little Red Wagon: 32.171 (-0.024) ▼
60. CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Little Toy Guns: 31.525 (-0.002) ▲
61. DISCLOSURE - Latch f/Sam Smith: 31.500 (-0.022) ▲
62. BLAKE SHELTON - Lonely Tonight f/Ashley Monroe: 31.028 (-1.685) ▼
63. THOMAS RHETT - Make Me Wanna: 30.898 (-0.625) ▼
64. EASTON CORBIN - Baby Be My Love Song: 30.411 (+0.306) ▲
65. MR PROBZ - Waves: 30.359 (-0.568) ▼
66. BRAD PAISLEY - Crushin' It: 30.184 (+0.382) ▲
67. JOHN LEGEND - All Of Me: 29.848 (-0.243)
68. JEREMIH - Don't Tell 'Em f/YG: 29.739 (-0.612) ▼
69. GEORGE EZRA - Budapest: 29.269 (+0.100) ▲
70. BIG SEAN - I Don't F**k With You f/E-40: 28.868 (-0.507) ▼
71. NICKI MINAJ - Only f/Drake, Lil Wayne: 28.836 (-0.195) ▲
72. MEGHAN TRAINOR - All About That Bass: 28.660 (-0.602) ▼
73. ERIC PASLAY - She Don't Love You: 28.563 (+0.899) ▲
74. TOVE LO - Habits (Stay High): 28.380 (-0.213) ▼
75. BIG SEAN - Blessings f/Drake: 28.064 (+0.149)
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Post by Spidey on Mar 30, 2015 9:23:13 GMT -5
BBHMM back to #1 on iTunes :( I believe it was performed somewhere. I wonder how long this effect will last. Either way, Uptown Funk will have tied Low's record this week. I'm not so sure it can beat it now if BBHMM ends up doing better than I expected. I can see it having a run similar to that of Problem with high initial sales and good performance thereafter. Rihanna performed the song during last night's iHeartRadio Music Awards. |
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Post by skizzo on Mar 30, 2015 11:41:11 GMT -5
CHR/Top 40 Retros:
2011
01 03 Rihanna - S&M
02 05 Katy Perry f/Kanye West - E.T
03 01 Cee-Lo - Forget You
04 02 Lady Gaga - Born This Way
05 04 Pink - Perfect
06 07 Usher - More
07 10 Kesha - Blow
08 06 Pitbull f/T-Pain - Hey Baby
09 09 Diddy-Dirty Money - Coming Home
10 08 Enrique Iglesias f/Ludacris - Tonight
2006
01 01 Mary J Blige - Be Without You
02 02 Natasha Bedingfield - Unwritten
03 03 Sean Paul - Temperature
04 04 Rihanna - SOS
05 05 James Blunt - You're Beautiful
06 06 Kelly Clarkson - Walk Away
07 08 Cascada - Everytime We Touch
08 09 Beyonce - Check On It
09 17 Daniel Powter - Bad Day
10 07 Ne-Yo - So Sick
2001
01 01 Shaggy - Angel
02 02 Crazy Town - Butterfly
03 03 Dido - Thank You
04 04 Janet Jackson - All For You
05 09 Destiny's Child - Survivor
06 08 S Club 7 - Never Had A Dream Come True
07 07 Aerosmith - Jaded
08 05 Lenny Kravitz - Again
09 10 Uncle Cracker - Follow Me
10 11 Lifehouse - Hanging By A Moment
SPOTLIGHT: 1996
01 01 Alanis Morissette - Ironic
02 03 Celine Dion - Because You Loved Me
03 04 Mariah Carey - Always Be My Baby
04 02 Tony Rich Project - Nobody Knows
05 06 Gin Blossoms - Follow You Down
06 07 BoDeans - Closer To Free
07 05 Everything But The Girl - Missing
08 08 Natalie Merchant - Wonder
09 09 Collective Soul - The World I Know
10 11 Smashing Pumpkins - 1979
11 10 La Bouche - Be My Lover
12 12 Brandy - Sittin' Up In My Room
13 14 Goo Goo Dolls - Name
14 17 Dog's Eye View - Everything Falls Apart
15 19 Tina Arena - Chains
16 13 Blues Traveler - Hook
17 NE Tracy Chapman - Give Me One Reason
18 15 Oasis - Wonderwall
19 NE Hootie & The Blowfish - Old Man And Me
20 16 Ace Of Base - Lucky Love
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Post by Gary on Mar 30, 2015 12:05:25 GMT -5
re: You Were Meant For Me/Foolish Games
The 1st song had a chart run of 65 weeks with 9 weeks at #1 on Hot 100 Airplay
The 2nd song had a chart run of 31 weeks with 3 weeks at #1
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 30, 2015 12:08:14 GMT -5
M5 just announced they will perform "Sugar" on TV - April 6 (next Monday). Last push to get that #1. Will it work?
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